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proposed constitutional amendment. this constitutional amendment would have seen not just referring to the masculine but in the testimony lynn as well. it is aimed at modernizing jordan, backed by the jordanian king. but instead of talking about the issue, parliamentarians instead traded insults and exchanges blows. so what is the key issue? it boils down to women's rights. there are concerns, fears among some parliamentarians that this change could end up leading to changes in jordan's citizenship law and inheritance law. right now as it stands jordanian women are not allowed to pass on citizenship to their children. when it comes to inheritance, that is based on law and it gives more to a man than a woman. they fear any sort of movement towards full equality for women
could lead to more freedom over women's own bodies, and that could then end up damaging certain societal and family norms and traditions and lead to shameful behavior. women's rights activists say there is one objective only, and that is to ensure that jordan's female population has the same rights as its male one. arwa damon, cnn, istanbul. arwa damon, thank you very much. new days continues right now. "new day" continues right now. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. it is thursday, december 30th. two days left until 2022. i'm john avlon with kaitlan collins. good morning. >> good morning, john. >> all right. this morning, the u.s. shattering its record of daily
new coronavirus cases as the highly contagious omicron variant spreads rapidly throughout the country ahead of new year's. nationwide, daily new cases hitting a record average of 300,000 cases this week. the last time the number hit that peak, close to that, was even in january. dr. anthony fauci strongly recommending against celebrating new year's eve by avoiding large parties. >> if your plans are to go to a 40 to 50-person new year's eve party with all the bells and whistles and everybody hugging and kissing and wishing each other a happy new year, i would strongly recommend that this year we do not do that. >> and this just in. johnson & johnson show two new reports show people who get boosters are well protected against severe disease and hospitalization from the omicron variant. let's get more on that from cnn's elizabeth cohen who has all the data she is looking at.
elizabeth, what is this data showing us? >> reporter: kaitlan, this graphic that i'm about to show you, it is really striking. let's take a look back at january 11th when we had a peak of 252,000 cases, the big peak that you see on the left. fast forward to now, 300,000 daily cases. we have more cases per day than we did back in january when, remember, things were so terrible. omicron seems to be producing mild disease compared to delta and other variants. so what we have here is that if you compare now to the january peak, hospitalizations are 55% lower. more cases. but 55% lower hospitalization rates. deaths 42% lower. we don't know what the future will hold. kaitlan, you said, it's hard to predict football. it's really hard to predict covid as well.
as these case numbers go up, up, up, even if a small percentage end up dying, a small percentage of a huge number can be a very large number. now, you also mentioned johnson & johnson. putting out a press release saying their vaccine plus a booster was 85% effective at preventing hospitalization compared to folks who got no vaccination at all. they say those two shots don't just boost antibodies but other elements of the immune system, but -- and this is a big but the cdc recommends moderna and pfizer for your first vaccine. >> elizabeth, thank you so much for that update. for more on this, let's bring in dr. peter hotez, professor and dean at baylor college of medicine and one of the
designers of the patentless vaccine, which has just been granted emergency use authorization in india. we want to talk about that, dr. hotez. that is incredibly significant news. but first i would like to get your reaction to this new johnson & johnson report. >> well, you know, kaitlan, this was actually always a good vaccine. the j&j vaccine is an outstanding vaccine. if you give it in two doses. i think what's happened here in the united states is there are a lot of circumstances that cause people to lose public confidence in it. i think one was the fact that, you know, we don't -- most of our vaccine effectiveness data comes from israel and the uk. we're not collecting a lot of effectiveness data in the united states. you would always hear about the pfizer vaccine, mrna, and people would extrapolate to the moderna vaccine. every day i would get emails expecting buyers remorse because
they weren't hearing about the j&j because they don't use that in israel and the uk. so it started out with two strikes against it. it should always have been a two-dose vaccine. two doses, as elizabeth points out, it is an excellent virus reducing antibodies. it has a high cd8 positive cells, good for durable protection. so it has advantages. the other thing that helped, a med archive preprint in part down by my colleagues. it's a great article and really important. but it showed early on that the boost you get with the j&j is not as high as the mrna vaccines. but that's because the j&j has different kinetics. it has the advantage of dc8 positive cells. others will be forth coming. you put all of that together. on top, this very damning acip
meeting, and i use that term in both ways, because it really unnecessarily tarnished the reputation of the j&j vaccine about safety. i think it could have been handled in a much better way and so not to discredit the adenovirus vector vaccines, it was tone deaf in terms of our dependence on global health. bottom line, it is a really good vaccine as a two-dose vaccine. it's unfortunate the way things worked out at least here in the united states. >> that's fascinating insight incident to thank you for sort of following in the footsteps with the patentless vaccine. that is an extraordinary accomplishment. i want to ask you something about more and more folks expressing concern about, long covid in the on text of omicron.
this is still a black box. but it does seem omicron's symptoms are less severe, particularly when people get breakthrough cases because they have been vaccinated. what do we know about long covid with omicron in the context of people who have been vaccinated? are the impact reduced by getting vaccinations? >> well, almost by definition, we don't know a lot about long covid for omicron because it takes months to -- by the case definition, to know you have long covid. this has come up so quickly in southern africa and now here. we are not going to know this for a while. we have to be careful about being too dismissive. hospitalizations are going up in new york city, in washington, d.c. you know, we have this unique circumstance here in the u.s. where we are getting a significant chunk of health care
workforce knocked out by omicron because they have to be at home with breakthrough covid or asymptomatic covid. that one-two punch really concerns me. the overall picture of omicron ultimately is not going to look too different in terms of severe morbidity and mortality. and i think two of the three monoclonal antibodies do not work against omicron. so we have knocked out two important therapeutic tools. we have not gotten testing up to speed. we are in for a serious time and we have to take this seriously, as dr. fauci has pointed out. . >> and packs loaf i.d. has gotten authorization from the fda. dr. fauci said it is going to be quite a while before that is widely available. so i think that is something you have to remind people, you have that good news about it, but it is going to take time before you
can have access to it. i want to ask you before we get to the vaccine news out of houston about something that michigan's department of health is doing, saying they are going to keep with the current isolation guidelines, not the new cdc ones that revised it. you can go from ten days to five days in isolation and then wear a mask the next five days. they want to wait on more evidence from the cdc. so what do you think of that? >> well, you know, one of the problems with the cdc guidelines, and i understand them because it's trying to balance the science with the fact that we didn't want to shut down the whole country because all the essential workers are home with covid. one of the things we don't really talk about is each variant behaves differently with respect to virus shedding and how contagious it is and when we can lift these kinds of restrictions. so we don't really have that data collected on omicron. we have it for the other variants. and i think the cdc is making its best attempt based on
previous lineages to do that. the problem michigan is having is will it knock out too many essential workers not only in the health care industry but fire and rescue, et cetera. it will be interesting to see how that works out. >> interesting is one word for it. before we go, i want to just dig in deeper to the vaccine, you and your team at the baylor college of medicine have been developing. patent-free vaccine called corbavax which you are giving away to people in the world. >> the southern hemisphere is unvaccinated. we have seen how, you know, delta arose out of unvaccinated population in india. omicron in south africa. until we vaccinate the southern hemisphere, we're going to continue to have new variants. and the one that i'm worried
about is something like omicron that produces more severe illness, not less severe illness. so the only way that is going to happen is if we vaccinate the world. and things are just moving too slowly. so texas children's hospital and baylor college of medicine, with my science group, lead a group that make the vaccines that the big pharma companies won't make. about 10 years ago, there was also not much interest in coronavirus vaccines, we began doing that and pivoted around quickly to make this low-cost, recombinant protein. it is similar to the hepatitis b vaccine used all over the world. that is produced locally some places like indonesia, india, vietnam, and brazil. and that's -- so that's what we did because that's what we always do. and the consequence of that is now we have licensed it.
no patent. no strings attached. indonesia, bat swan that, and biological e in india, they have, in clinical trials, look at superiority study to the astrazeneca oxford vaccine. there is no limit to the amount you can produce. throughout the southern hemisphere, you have that capacity. so they have already got 150 million doses ready to go. they will now produce 100 million doses a month. they will produce a billion doses. and the irony is our small research institute at texas children's hospital, baylor college of medicine, with bioe, we will match or exceed the entire u.s. commitment to global vaccine equity at this point. and better than any of the other g7 countries. so the other messages, guys,
wake up. you've got to step up to what we're doing now and vaccinate the world. >> that's amazing news. >> it really is. it really is a gift for the world. you make a point how the variants are emerging from places that are undervaccinated. happy new year. >> thank you. all the best to a both of you. a jury convicted ghislaine maxwell for her role in a sex trafficking ring. president putin to president biden, call me, we need to talk. complicated issues the two leaders will discuss this afternoon. what if you could see the details of your great-grandparents wedding day... ...or the record that welcomed your great-grandmother to the world. your family story is waiting to be discovered, and now you can search for those fascinating details for free—at ancestry.
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sex trafficking of a minor, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity and three related counts of conspiracy. joining me now is paul callen and former prosecutor bernarda. paul, let me start with you. maxwell was convicted on five of six charges for crimes that took place in 94 to 2004. do you think justice was done with this conviction? >> i would have to say, yes, i think justice was done based on the evidence that i saw, which was produced in the case. and also, i have a lot of confidence in this jury. because they spent so many days meticulously analyzing each piece of evidence that was presented to them. this was a hard-working jury. and one that really got into the details in a way i've never seen in any other jury deliberation.
>> bernarda, this was seen as a reckoning that jeffrey epstein never had. she was convicted on all the others. what stood out the most to you how this came down from the jury yesterday? >> this so i commend the jury. but most importantly, i commend the victims in this case. jane, kate, carolyn and annie for having the courage, bravery and strength to come forward to face their abuser. the jury saw them. the jury believed them. and the jury determined that despite 1994 to 2004, ghislaine maxwell, you are guilty. and we're holding you accountable for your predatory behavior. so what stood out to me was the courageousness and bravery of these victims. however, i will note what do we do about the names mentioned
during the trial? what do we do about the names entered into evidence? donald trump, bill clinton, prince andrew? do they go uninvestigated? where do we stand with that? >> paul, let me pick that up with you. there is this question about accountability for some of the men who seem to have enabled epstein's predatory behavior. what about the documents not yet seen by the public, what about any future efforts for accountable of those men. do you think that will happen, or is this the end of the road? >> well, if it's not the end of the road we are getting to the end of the road, john. the southern district of new york, the federal entity that did this, have piles of evidence on this case. they have been looking into it well over a year. it goes back to the year 2005
had epstein originally pled guilty. so they have thousands of pages of documents undoubtedly their investigation has turned up. just putting this case aside for a minute. say somebody was investigated for something and exonerated. could you release all the information? no, you wouldn't. there are privacy rights that could be violated. now, that's not to say if ghislaine comes forward, maxwell comes forward and ghislaine comes forward and implicates somebody new that she hasn't previously and presents solid evidence there, yeah, you could have a case against one of these more famous individuals whose names have come up. until we hear something specific, it is just speculation. >> it's a big question a lot of people have. >> yeah. >> because the big names are a
big part of this. in the aspect of how this all happened for so long and the connections that jeffrey epstein had that allowed him to continue this. and people are willing to help him hide it. you cannot forget this ensnared the labor secretary at the time. >> yes. . >> and i want to point out a lot of this came to light because of the relentless reporting of julie kay brown, who did the work and stayed on this and paid attention to it. bernarda, i wonder what that means to you? listening to the victims talk about it, and for so long several of them tried to report it to the police. several of them tried to tell people about it and they were ignored or dismissed. >> exactly. because this has been going on since 1994. there was so much evidence presented during this trial in terms of ghislaine maxwell. two of the search warrants that were executed, one in 2005. this is over 15 years ago. but we don't have arrests until
2019, 2020 because the people in florida weren't willing to go forward or to penalize or stop this behavior that could have stopped so many young girls from being victimized. but thanks to the southern district of new york, they were able to look into these claims and form a prosecution against jeffrey epstein and against ghislaine maxwell. what does it say? the power that you have, the money that you have, you, too, are not above the law. you, too, can be held accountable. and i hope that the criminal justice system sees that, you cannot turn a blind eye to this sexual predatory behavior. shame on you for those that did. >> equal justice under law. paul callen, bernarda villalona, thank you. up next, president putin is requesting a call with president biden. the question u.s. officials have, what does putin want?
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as concerns grow over russia's continued military presence at the ukrainian border, president biden has a call scheduled today with russian president vladimir putin. according to a white house official, putin wanted biden to call him. joining us is cnn political and national security analyst david sanger and global affairs analyst susan glasser. thank you both for getting up to talk to us about this this morning. putin made a request after a senior white house official told reporters with respect to deescalate, quote, we continue to see a russian troop presence in and around the border of ukraine. so no signs of de-escalation. what are you expecting in this call today? >> well, you know, kaitlan, this is a moment of crisis. that's the term some were using. there are more than 100,000
troops on the border with ukraine. this is in advance. this conversation between the first leaders, the second time they have spoken. that's very unusual. it comes in advance of a january 10th meeting between u.s. and russian negotiators in europe, which they just announced earlier this week. the diplomatic pieces are in place potentially for putin to walk back. but right now what concerns me, and i think many others, is that there's just a mismatch between what vladimir putin is asking for is something that is not in the united states' power right now to give. so seems to be no way to satisfy putin's demands, his idea that there can be no nato presence in tpany he determines to be in th russian sphere and influence. >> what does beauty in want? why does he feel this urgency? you say there are three which
which will show up for the call. >> so the first is that he is calling to defuse this. there are still 100,000 troops on the border. it hasn't risen much in recent times just looking at commercial satellites. it also hasn't reduced much. it doesn't feel like it's the moment for him to say, okay, i was kidding. the second theory is that he believes that he can take president biden's measure on whether or not they're willing to give in on some of these things, including the critical one susan mentioned, which is getting nato out of nations that used to be part of the soviet union. but also whether or not he could get them to allow ukraine away from the west. the ukrainians seem to want to
go to the west. the third theory, he is trying to create a pretext to take military action in which case you doesn't have a whole lot of time. there is a window when the ground is frozen there when he could move his heavy armor over. it opens in late january and closes sometime in march. >> the invasion is not only his only option. he could conduct saoeurb attacks, he could do all sorts of things. and i think the big question that people have when they look at this, and i wonder what your take is on this, what is his ultimate goal here? >> kaitlan, i'm glad you brought that up. it is not all or nothing. first of all, we know invasion is an option. vladimir putin already invaded ukraine. that is very important. there's been this ongoing conflict in eastern ukraine, with the illegal annexation of
cry mian peninsula. it is plausible. it could be short of a full-scale invasion from vladimir putin. sit not just russian troops roll all the way to kiev or else nothing happens. you could see a more significant and more overt russian military presence in eastern eye drain where that fighting has been ongoing in an effort to change the calculus on the ground in the conflict which had been more or less frozen in recent years. so that's a possibility. and vladimir putin has arguably already won in some significant way. he demanded and received the attention and focus of joe biden, who came to office -- on pivoting to china and asia instead. he is focusing for more than xi
jin jinping. it commands the world's attention. he is distracting our information from a major domestic crackdown which is happening right now. >> david, as susan points out, this is all against the back drop of 2014 and that illegal annexation of crimea, which russia denied it was doing until it was done. the west didn't do much other than sanctions. here you see putin testing again. why do they think unprecedented sanctions will provide enough of a deterrence. do you have any idea what they could be besides what has already been done? >> well, the only things that are left is disconnecting the russians from the world's financial system. cutting them off from the banking system that enables them to transfer funds. or going after the oligarchs or putin's own money. . >> yeah. >> i'm not sure any of those
would work. we tend in the united states to always overestimate what the sanctions would be. president trump thought crushing sanctions would end the iranian nuclear program. it didn't. we thought sanctions would get them out of crimea. seven years later, they are still there. he could do things short of invasion, including cyber attacks that could cripple part of the infrastructure. it's not clear that that would prompt the kind of sanctions that we're discussing. >> yeah. the sanctions have not deterred putin before. susan, i wonder what you make of that and what you think is going to happen next? it's predictive. but this is something everyone has been watching closely. it doesn't seem much has changed. >> if well, that's right. first of all, there are increasing signs of aggressive, months file cyber activity already directed against the ukrainian military and parts of the eye drain yann state.
and i think that would be commence rate with more explicit kinetic military action. to your bigger question, kaitlan, obviously -- they take a measured approach to understanding putin have been extremely alarmed the last couple months as signed of buildup occurred, very different than what they saw in the spring which led up to the first meeting between biden and putin in geneva. putin's demands are extreme. the breakup of the soviet union was the foundational event. he truly seems to believe ukraine does not have the right to exist as an independent state. it is almost an existential challenge. this country next door to russia is something very hard to make rational arguments in the language of international
affairs against. so that makes it very difficult for joe biden to find some path to get putin to walk down from right now. that's it. that is the back drop to all of this. david sanger and susan glasser, nobody better. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. all right. still ahead, chilling new details on the denver shooting suspect. how he may have foreshadowed his murderous rampage. >> but first, what are doctors seeing now that pediatric cases of covid-19 are spiking? we'll ask one of them next. throughout history i've observed markets shaped by the intentional and unforeseeable.
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climbing. in fact, the american academy of pediatrics says that covid cases among children are extremely high again. it's almost near the peak we reached in september. dr. lee savio beers. dr. beers, thank you for joining us. i want to look at the data here for folks. it really is pretty striking, even though it's relatively early. in the week ending the 27th, 334 new pediatric hospital admissions due to covid. the week prior, 212. 58% increase. a very disturbing trend. how concerned are you about childhood hospitalizations, and are these serious trends that parents need to worry about? >> well, yeah. i thank you for this. yes, we are quite concerned. and i think there's a couple important pieces here to point out. first is we are not necessarily
seeing higher percentages of children being admitted to the hospital, but this is quite a contagious variant. we are seeing many more being infected which means many more being admitted to the hospital. the other thing to point out is being vaccinated protects you against most situations against serious illness. so i think for families who have children or w.h.o. eligible for the vaccine, it is a really important time. if you have not yet gotten your child vaccinated, this is the time. for all of us, remember, there are still a lot of children under the age of 5 who aren't yet eligible to be vaccinated. we can do our part by getting vaccinated and do all the things we need to help keep them safe. >> we cannot say it enough. get vaccinated. do you have any data or insight into the number of childhood hospitalizations among the unvaccinated. is this the vast majority, or are we seeing break through
cases among the children unvaccinated? >> we are still getting the data. but what we are hearing from hospitals across the nation, and this is very consistent, is the vast majority are unvaccinated. small numbers are vaccinated. it increases your risk for hospitalizations significantly. at my own hospital where i work and practice here in d.c. at children's national, about half of our hospitalization -- we're actually at an all-time peak for covid hospitalizations. about half are children under five. so, again, i think it's just so important for us to remember that we are protecting ourselves but also protecting those little ones who aren't yet eligible for vaccination. >> that is just heartbreaking. it puts them in an almost impossible position. but it also raises the question of kids returning to school. that is set to happen next week. a lot of experts we have spoken to say, look, we don't have as
much evidence about the virus being passed in school as when they are on play dates when masks go out the window. should they lean into it as a way of stopping the spread? >> one thing that is really important for us to remember is that we have the tools. we know how to slow or decrease or stop covid in schools. going back to all the basics. it helps decrease the spread. good hand washing. this is a time to err on the side of caution. so there's lots of ways to help keep kids in school safely. we know it is important for them to be there for in-person learning.
>> folks over 5 should get vaccinated. if they're over 16 get them boosted. what about under 5? >> most importantly, i know it's hard. and it's hard for parents with kids under 5. i talk to a lot of them. i talk to a lot of pediatrician parents under 5. this is hard. you're worried about your kids. you want to do everything you can to protect them. so i think, again, this is getting back to the basics. wearing masks. if your child is over the age of 2. avoiding -- when you're in the high-risk situations, when you're around lots of other people, avoiding really crowded indoor spaces. this is probably not the time to have new year's celebrations. you need to dial things back. and working with your community
to ask them to continue to do the things to do to help keep your little ones safe. >> there is nothing more important. doctor, thank you very much. happy new year. >> thank you. you too. an organization located in montana native american reservation is fighting to save the area's local species by fishing out invaders. it is today's "impact your world." >> native species are disappearing in plants, animals, insects, fish. we need to take a stand. >> our native trout have been in this system, flathead lake, and the river system for thousands of years. lake trout have been in the lake for a little over 100 years and have created a very detrimental condition for the native trout. >> tribes have named some plates after bull trout. so i has significant meaning. bull trout and west like
cutthroat trout are a fraction at the numbers they once were. if it isn't taken seriously now, future generation aren't going to see these fish. >> tribal fisheries runs a crew of about 16 tribal members. bull trout are more vocalized in particular areas. and that helps us to target lake trout without having a significant impact on bull trout. >> we process the fish that are brought in and they are sold in a nonprofit corporation. this place is pretty special. and we would like to see it kept that way. >> just one week from the anniversary of the january 6th capitol attack and still crucial questions about the coup attempt that remain unanswered. we'll take a look next. >> and later, former first lady melania trump stepping aping bao
the attack on our capitol. january 6th commission is gearing up for a very busy 2022. with plans for public hearings and initial report released as soon as the summer. but the clock is ticking and many crucial questions about this coup attempt remain unanswered. joining us now, cnn reporter marshall cohen and cnn senior legal analyst elie honig honig. good to see you both. let's start at the top. what did trump know and when did he know it? the committee is focused on getting answers about the ex-president's intent and possible dereliction of duty. by interviewing trump spoke to around that day. tell us more about that. >> it is a key question for them. they basically want to know why the heck was he sitting back watching this riot on tv, and not really do anything to stop it for hours? one of the ways they want to answer that question is with call logs to figure out who he was talking to, like you mentioned. so they asked the national archives for those records and
the biden administration is poised to let them have it. it is stuck in court now, so we may not know for another few weeks the final resolution on that. those call logs matter because you got to think about what we already know. we already know that he spoke with kevin mccarthy, the top house republican and he pleaded with him to call off the mob, trump wouldn't do it. he only said so a few hours later in a video. but according to the house democrats on the committee, that video that the trump white house released was the sixth version of that, you know, please leave video. and those previous five outtakes were so problematic that the trump white house wouldn't even put it out. you better believe the house democrats on that committee want to see those tapes. >> and, of course, in the one they did put out, he was telling them that he loved them, that they were very special. elie, we're learning more about something that was happening in another part of washington that day, the willard hotel. these series of strategy sessions and meetings that were happening in the days leading up
to january 6th. what questions do you think the committee likely has about what was going on inside the hotel that day? >> yeah, kaitlan, we know this willard hotel war room essentially mission control for the coup attempt outside the white house. we know the committee will be very focused on that war room, representative bennie thompson, the chair of the committee, confirmed that to jim acosta, the other day. what we know for sure is that that group in the war room came up with this plan to have the vice president throw the election to donald trump by throwing out certain electoral votes, thankfully the vice president was not on board with that. so many other questions, though, who brought this group together. whose idea was this, who financed these guys, did they have a plan b, the vice president didn't go along with it. and, of course, what was donald trump's contacts with this group? so far the committee has run into a brick wall, and trying to get into the war room. steve bannon was there. he, of course, defied committee, being prosecuted for could contempt. john eastman, bernie carrick was there, he said i'll cooperate,
i'll give you what i want, it doesn't work that way. and that leaves rudy giuliani. will they pursue rudy giuliani, follow up with subpoenas? they need to get to the bottom of the war room. >> that's not the only crew of trump flunkies being investigated for possibly aiding the insurrection. they turned their focus to other members of congress. where could this particular line of inquiry be headed? >> yeah, they need to know if this threat came from inside the house, so to speak. there have been accusations by members of congress, speculation about whether members of congress were part of the planning or coordination. very little in terms of hard evidence to prove that. the committee has started to ask questions of some members of congress. of some of its own colleagues. scott perry and jim jordan just within the last week, they both said they're not interested in cooperating. will the committee follow up with subpoenas and potentially contempt? and big question here is how about kevin mccarthy. we know kevin mccarthy had a key conversation with donald trump on january 6th.
the committee has not formally approached kevin mccarthy yet. you wonder if they're trigger shy because they can do the math and figure out that a year from now he might well be the speaker. but the committee needs to look inside congress as well. >> a lot of attention has been on something that steve bannon said on his radio show the day before january 6th and i want to just remind everyone what it was. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. just understand this. all hell is going to break loose tomorrow. it is not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. it is going to be quite extraordinarily different. and all i can say is strap in. the war room, a posse, you have made this happen and tomorrow it is game day. so strap in. >> game day was one name for it. and, of course, the next morning, trump held that rally on the ellipse, he called for people to march to the capitol and implicated -- insinuated he was going to go with them, he
did not, he returned to the white house. the question of who had knowledge of the plans to storm the capitol is obviously at the center of this. >> that's the paramount question. if the house committee could somehow link trump or the trump white house to that storming of the capitol directly that would be the holy grail for them, probably. but they are not there. and to be clear, basically one year after this attack, the justice department has never accused donald trump or any of his allies of knowing of plans for violence in d.c. the people that they have accused of having those kinds of plans are a few dozen members of the proud boys and the oath keepers, far right extremist groups. if you look closely at the indictments against those people, those are conspiracy indictments, they're not always accused of having explicit plans to breach the capitol building. they're accused of having plans to violently disrupt congress or, you know, have street battles in washington, d.c. but the details really matter.
more investigation is warranted there. and trump, i should point out, a few trump allies like roger stone, michael flynn, they have connections to those far right groups, but they deny knowing of any plans to go inside the capitol. >> well, elie, look, there are a lot of other open questions the committee is looking into. like the sources of funding for the stop the steal rallies, the role of the trump allies placed in new administration positions, just weeks before the attack, and why it took the national guard so long to deploy. but, perhaps the biggest question in the search for accountability lies outside the committee's purview. it is a question of what we might see merrick garland and the justice department actually do in the months ahead. what is your take? >> yeah, john, the justice department has an awful lot of work ahead of it. where is the justice department in all of this? immediately we know they're prosecuting steve bannon for attempt, considering contempt charges. but bigger picture, all congress
and the committee can do here, it is important, they can hold hearings, issue reports, can make factual findings, but that's it. in terms of concrete consequences and punishment, that's going to go up the block to doj. we know that congress is going to be aggressive in pursuing hearings, but where is doj in all of this? we know doj prosecuted over 700 people. these are ground level people. these are the people who physically stormed the capitol. does doj have any interest, any political will, any prosecutorial will in looking higher up the chain? merrick garland said they would. there is zero public indication right now that doj is meaningfully investigating people at the higher levels of organization. so there is going to be a lot of pressure on doj to take up that kind of investigation in the coming year. >> we have gotten a lot more information in the past year. we have got more information coming from these investigations, but accountability, that's really the key point. marshall cohen, elie honig, thank you very much for all you do and happy new year. >> thanks. >> and "new day" continues right
now. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is thursday, december 30th. i'm kaitlan collins with john avlon this morning. john and brianna are off. good morning, john. >> good morning. >> this morning, we have the u.s. shattering its record of daily new coronavirus cases as thely contagious omicron variant is spreading. daily new cases hit a seven day average of more than 300,000 cases. the last time the number of cases hit a peak close to that was in january. dr. fauci says it is time to rsvp no to the giant new year's eve bashes you had planned. >> if your plans are to go to a 40 to 50-perso