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through and various democrats and major civil rights leaders will be there for this speech but a number of georgia voting rights groups are boycotting saying the time for talk is over. we'll speak to one of those leaders in just a moment. also notably absent today, democratic candidate for governor in georgia stacey abrams whose name has almost become synonymous with investigate rights, but president says no need to read into it. >> i spoke to stacey this morning. we have a great relationship. we got our asked lipping mixed up. i talked with her at length this morning. we're all on the same page, and everything is fine. >> let's go to cnn's chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny there in atlanta. jeff, is everything, quote, fine? >> reporter: well, ana, that's very much an open question. certainly it's not fine with the local georgia democratic activists who simply want action from president biden and vice president harris. they said that they should be delivering on their plans for
voting rights, not simply delivering one more speech, but reality is there are not the votes for this in the u.s. senate. there simply is not the support. that's what president biden is doing here this afternoon in atlanta. to make the case once again for national voting rights reform. why? because 19states across the country including here in georgia have passed laws making it harder for people to vote over the past year, so the president wants to draw attention to that, and he's going to deliver a forceful call to eliminate the senate flust yes, at least on voting reform. this is something that he's never been fully supportive of, never has fully embraced. he's going to urge the senate to do so and senate majority leader chuck schumer says that these votes could happen as soon as tomorrow or in the coming days. of course, one challenge to all this is senator joe manchin, the west virginia democrat who simply is not moveable on this filibuster because he says it's not supported by enough republicans as well. he had this to say this morning.
>> the filibuster is what makes the senate hopefully work when it's supposed to, would. we need some good rules changes and we can do that together, but you change the rules with two-thirds of the people that are present so it's democrats and republicans changing the rules to make the place work better. getting rid of the filibuster does not make it work better. >> so you can hear there senator manchin saying he would be open to this if republicans joined him in this effort. that's not going to happen, but that does not mean that president biden is not going to try and use the powers of persuasion, the powers of the bully pulpit to make this case and build support for this, and there might have to be some type of a compromise for a lesser voter rights bill but it's why president biden is coming here to the seat of the late congressman john lewis, of course, an icon of the civil rights movement to make the case for the john lewis voting act but ana it's a big challenge for the white house, one that the president is leaning into. >> jeff zeleny, thank you for that preview. we're joined by one of the leaders skipping the president's
speech the reverend james woodall. he's a public policy associate for the southern center of human rights and part of the georgia naacp. reverend, i really appreciate you joining us wondering what is your goal today? why skip today's speech? >> well, today, ana, is really centered around us pushing the white house and ultimately congress to pass voting rights legislation. we saw this kind of moment back in the 1960s in which lyndon b. johnson would say something along the lines of we have to continue on the course so that we may fulfill the destiny that history has set up for us and then lyndon johnson knew that the most immediate task was to be here or to be there on capitol hill, and so our message is clear that the president, the white house, all of the senators, they need to be in the congress talking about how to get this legislation passed because ultimately it's the people of georgia. it's the people of this great
country that will suffer if democracy goes in peril. >> so what could the president be doing differently then? what other actions do you think he should be taking because obviously a president can only do so much? congress has to make the laws, and we just heard from joe manchin he's not willing to make changes right now to the process that would allow these laws to go into effect under a simple majority? >> well, one, we need the president to call out joe manchin and kyrstin sinema directly and demand that they protect the right to vote, demand that they protect the democracy that we all know, demand that they restore the senate. we're not simple police asking for there to be a blowup of the filibuster. we're simply asking for them to restore the integrity of the senate and restore the integrity of our democracy because we know that the filibuster itself hasn't even always been a part
that have institution so we're asking for the integrity of our democracy to be supported and reinforced because the attacks against the very democracy has not only heightened and increased but have become more aggressive in tactics. >> i'm a little confused why you aren't publicly showing your support for this president. aren't you on the same team? it seems like republicans are almost unified against making these lies happen. while the president is in this fight with you and wants what you want and has even in our preview with jeff zeleny today says he plans to call on the senate to do exactly what you are suggesting. >> well, it's been over a year since senate bill 202 has been passed and signed into law by governor brian kemp. it's been nearly 14 years since the shelby v. holder decision in the federal government has not had a response so though the president over the course of his
administration has signalled support for those legislative items, we cannot go back to our communities and say the president likes the idea but this he's no action, there's no legislation. when they show up to vote they know that there's a governor, there is a georgia general assembly and local boards of election that are taking actions and taking extra steps to ensure that only certain people are able to vote. we've just seen just last week that the governor signed the new, you know, maps after the census was passed or -- or done, and signed into law, gerrymandered maps, and that has impact over the next ten years. no more speeches will have that kind of impact because we have actual law on the local and state levels that's combating our right to vote >> quickly, if you will. what's your biggest fear if this federal legislation isn't passed? >> if this legislation is not passed, then america will seek
to exist cease to exist. america absent democracy is not america at all and so we need our president to stand and lead in this moment. though this moment is dark at times, we are able to stand the test of times because we're able to withstand the challenges that democracy ultimately experiences, but if we do not get this legislation we'll continue to see attacks against democracy. we'll continue to see the kinds of attacks that we saw on january 6th, 2021, and we'll ultimately see the demise of this country all together. >> wow. reverend james woodall, appreciate your time. thank you so much for sharing it with us. >> thank you. at the federal level, new election laws may be stuck in the senate right now, but at state level it is a much different story. last year 19 states passed laws with new voter restrictions. this is according to the liberal-leaning brennan center for justice and many of those laws were pushed by state
republicans who say this is about election integrity, but the facts suggest otherwise. michael waldman is the president of the brennan center and joins us now with his research on this issue. he's also the author of "the fight to vote." michael, thank you for being with us. many people, you know, hear things like voter i.d. or election security and they think that's reasonable, so what is the real effect of some of these restrictions we hear about that have been passed into law, and can you just give us some examples? >> well, elections should be secure. elections are secure. these laws, unfortunately, target and have a disproportionate impact on voters of color across the country. they are very mischievously crafted. you have, for example, one example in georgia. the law there shut down mobile voting. well, that's only used in one place very successfully, in
atlanta. there's the rather notorious provision saying you can't provide food or water to people waiting online to vote. we all know, and it's empirically shown that it's voters of color who have to wait longer online. there are little things that add up. some of these laws are worse than others. unfortunately, they are targeted to have the same impact. >> we just heard from reverend woodall there saying less talk more action. do you think the biden administration is doing everything it can at this point to combat these voter restrictions that are happening in states? >> well, you certainly heard the passion and the concern felt by so many people across the country. there is simply no substitute for congress acting. there is no substitute for the president leading. today's speech is pretty important. the speech the other day was pretty important. it's also really important that behind closed doors, not just using the bully pulpit, but
using his power of persuasion with other democrats. it's a rather significant, really a great political clash. states are rushing forward driven by the big lie not just to make it harder to vote but to change who counts the votes and congress has the power to act legally and constitutionally. the question is does it have the political will and the president has a lot to do with that, and i think it's very good that he's giving the speech and it's important that he keep at it. >> how would these bills counter what's happening at the state level? >> well, they would set national standards to make sure that everybody has a fair chance to vote early or vote by mail. it would ban partisan gerrymandering. that, you know, is where the politicians of both parties draw these election lines in a way that entrench themselves or cut off the voices of communes and especially again of communities of color, and it would stop a
lot of the attacks on election officials that we see in this effort to undermine american democracy, this big lie, that is really sweeping across the country, so it would these things in significant ways. the other bill, the john lewis voting rights advancement act, would restore the full strength of the voting rights act which is probably the most successful civil rights law of all time. it was significantly weakened by the supreme court. that law passed by congress would restore it to its strength. taken together these are vital laws i think and they would stop this voter suppression and they would bring american democracy forward in a very, very positive and modern way. >> michael waldman, i appreciate your expertise in all of this. thank you for sharing your research with us, helping us understand the importance here of what's on the line. >> thank you. >> tensions exploded moments ago
in a covid hearing on capitol hill can dr. anthony fauci blasting senator rand paul, even accusing the senator of putting his life in danger. we have that exchange just ahead. plus, a federal judge casting serious doubt over trump's blame of absolute immunity from civil lawsuits. and a key ruling could come any minute now. and an explosive new accusation against the world's top tennis player novak djokovic. just as it looked like he was finally clear to play in the australian open. with the new personalpoints program, i answer questions about my goals and the foods i love. i like that the ww personalpoints plan is built just for me. download the ww app today for a 14-day free trial. when i break a long run, i'm talking long, long. that's why i use old spice triple protection sweat defense. [announcer] there he goes. old spice works harder for longer. hey derrick man, you gonna be much longer? it's gonna be a minute, minute. hey derrick, quit playin'. derrick!
>> so your desire to take down people -- >> you're incorrect as usual, senator. you win correct. romania everything you say. >> you deny, but e-mails tell the truth of this. >> no. >> you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality. >> do you think anybody has had more influence over our response to this than you have? >> let me finish. >> do you think it's a great success what's happened so far? >> what happens when he gets out and accuses me of things that are completely untrue is that all of a sudden that kindles the crazies out there, and i have threats upon my life, harassments of my family and my children with obscene phone calls because people are lying about me. now, i guess you could say that's the way it goes. i can take the hit. well, it makes a difference
because as some of you may know just about three or four weeks ago on december 21st a person was arrested who was on their way from sacramento to washington, d.c. at a speed stop in iowa and they asked the -- the police asked him where he was going and he was going to washington, d.c. to kale dr. fauci, and they found in his car an ar-15 and multiple magazines of ammunition because he thinks that maybe i'm killing people, so i ask myself why would senator want to do this, so go to randpaul's website and you see fire dr. fauci with a little box that says contribute here. you can do $5, $10, $20, $100, so you are making a catastrophic epidemic for your political gain. >> that exchange as omicron
helps push covid-19 hospitalizations to an all-time pandemic high. nearly 146,000 americans in hospitals with covid right now, double where we were two weeks ago. but some context here. these are not all hospitalizations because of covid. some are people who may have gone to the hospital for other reasons but then tested positive once they were there. some more context and this is key here. those being treated solely for covid reasons are nearly all unvaccinated. cnn's elizabeth cohen is joining us now. elizabeth, it's not all fireworks at this hearing today. there's also been some helpful news. what else are we learning? >> right. so there was lots of questions about testing and lots of questions about the isolation guidance, cdc's dr. walensky doubling down saying it was the right thing to do to tell people that if they were amountic or feeling bet their they could leave isolation after five days
as long as they wore masks because essential workers needed to get back to, would. let's take a listen. >> we saw the growing surge of omicron and took swift science-based action to address the very real possibility of staffing shortages in hospitals and in other essential areas of the workforce, including schools, pharmacies, public safety, public labs, grocery stores and other sites. where shortages could have and have proven to have dire public health consequences. >> so the biden administration also has promised more home tests, and they gave some details at this hearing. they said the first of 500 million tests will be shipped out this month, and the rest will be shipped over the next 60 days. ana? >> elizabeth cohen, thanks so much for that update. with us now is dr. ranney, the professor of emergency medicine and public health at brown
university. doctor, i wanting to back to that exchange that we played between senator rand paul and dr. fauci and hearing dr. fauci describing the threats that he's received and his family has received there, he's almost a sense of desperation in his voice today. he was not going to let senator rand paul spreading this misinformation. what's your reaction to what we heard? >> honestly, i'm glad that dr. fauci stood up not just for himself but for public health professionals across the united states. state and county health officials, like dr. fauci, have been being targeted in unprecedented manners with verbal threats, threats against their kids and violent threats throughout this pandemic. to the degree that the very people who are trying to protect the health of our society are being forced out of their jobs, out of fear for their own and their families' lives. we can have reasoned debate about the science, but what we cannot tolerate as a civil society are these frank lies and
calls to violence which have been permeating the discussion around covid. i myself have been subject to these as has almost every other figure who has spoken out publicly or tried to lead some kind of covid response. it distracts from the core issues and stops us from making progress on the things we need to dare most about which are controlling covid and getting our lives closer to normal. >> hand meantime, you're in the trenches right now as u.s. hospitalizations of people with covid hit this new pandemic record. i know staffing issues were already a strampt you say your hospital is currently at 90%, to 95% so how bad is it on the inside? tell us about what your experiencing and what you're hearing from your colleagues? >> i cannot overemphasize how bad the situation is in emergency departments, hospitals, intensive care units across the country. now, let me be clear, this is not just because of the current covid surge but it's really the
icing on the cake or the straw that has broken the camel's back. we went into the surge with existing staffing shortages. so many people have left the health care profession because they are burnt out. there's been a horrific surge after surge. people have had enough. on top of that, now we're got another surge. we have all the folks that are coming in for other medical problems that they have been putting off care for, and we have our own colleagues who are getting sick. not as sick as we were two years ago. it's certainly a better place. we're not in mortal danger taking care of covid patients but it's worsening the existing staffing problems and wait times in emergency departments are through the root the care of patients is not at standard that we would normally want. my own state has put crisis standards in place, have said that hospitals and emergency departments across the state are operating in crisis conditions because our staffing conditions are so bad. we're doing everything we can to take care of parents, but the reality is, if you show up at an
emergency department with a broken bone or appendicitis or even chest pain you are going to be waiting hours and hours. not because we don't want to care for you but simply because there's no says. >> that's awful. sounds so demoralizing to be in your shoes and there's also a blood short and. in fact for the first time ever the red cross is declaring a blood supply crisis saying, quote, blood donations are needed now to avert the need to post pope potential life-saving treatments. so what are we talking about here? what's the impact of this blood shortage? >> so imagine that your loved one gets in a car crash and comes into my emergency department. what this means is that i may not have the blood available to give them to save their life. imagine that you have a loved one who needs cardiac surgery. that may have to be delayed if it's not already being delayed because of staffing shortages, it may have to be delayed simply because there are not the blood supplies available to keep them safe during that surgery.
it is -- i know that folks are scared to go out and donate right now because of covid, but those donation centers are safe. it is so needed for people to donate blood, platelets, plasma. the rest of it -- whatever it is that you are able to give. i will shay also that we should be lifting some of the regulations that are in place that prevent some people, particularly gay men or people that spent time in the uk, those bans on donations should be lifted, especially at this moment. >> and just to be clear. is it safe for people who have had a covid infection recently to give blood? >> it is. it is absolutely safe for you to give blood. if you've given monoclonal antibodies we recommend that you wait. check with your local blood donation center on the exact locations but it's absolutely safe once you're fully recovered to go and give blood. >> thanks as always for all you do and for your time and expertise today. we appreciate you. >> thank you ana.
we're following two hearings on capitol hill over the january 6th attacks, a hearing in the house is focusing on capitol security one year after the insurrection. a separate hearing in the senate, which just wrapped up, examined the domestic terrorism threat. i want to spring in cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider. i understand that you have some news from that senate hearing. >> that's right, ana. the justice department just announcing the formation of a new domestic terrorism unit. they are citing the rising threat of domestic violent extremists as a reason for the new unit. they say the number of investigations by the fbi on that front has doubled since march of 2020. this unit will complement the work that they already do, investigating netflix and foreign terrorism cases but designating a specific unit now, it means more attorneys will be investigating and prosecuting domestic violent extremists. the top official of the national
security division testified before the senate judiciary committee and he outlined exactly how that group is defined. here he is. >> based on the assessment of the intelligence community we face an elevated threat from domestic violent extremists. that is individuals in the united states who seek to commit violent criminal acts in furtherance of domestic social or political goals. domestic violent extremists are motivated by a mix of ideology and personal grievances. we've seen a growing threat from those motivated by racial animus as well as those described as anti-government and anti-authority ideologies. >> olson did point out what happened on january 6th, it is being investigated as acts of domestic terrorism. ana, when he was testifying he once again stressed that massive effort that's being put forth by the doj, by fbi to prosecute the
more than 700 people they have already charged, and the fact is that the fbi is still trying to find more people. they say more than 350 people involved in that capitol attack, including, ana, about 250 who assaulted police officers that day, so a lot more to do on the january 6th investigation front but also the development of this new unit that will go after other cases as well. ana? >> yeah, specifically a unit on domestic terrorism. thank you so much, jessica schneider. at any moment we expect a federal judge to deliver a ruling that could impact three civil lawsuits filed against former president trump in relation to this january 6th insurrection. during a five-hour hearing trump's lawyers argued that the former president was entitled to absolute immunity from liability related to his supporters' attack on the capitol claiming his words that day were political speech and protected by the first amendment. let's bring in cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers. jennifer, the judge asked is
there anything the president could say while president of the united states that could subject him to civil suits? and the president's lawyer, the former president's lawyer i should say answer that had he could not think of a hypothetical example that would fall outside of that immunity that trump is claiming. what do you make of that argument. >> well, erin, that's a problem with taking such an extreme position. i mean, everyone can recognize, and i assure you the judge can recognize that those a ridiculous position to take that. there's literally nothing a president can do while sitting to invoke civil liabilities. that's not going to care the day. the question remains what former president trump said that day can be construed as in his role as president? that's a different question, but this notion of absolute immunity is certainly never going to fly. >> and there's still the question about whether trump is culpable for what happened on january 6th. the judge also made this observation, and i quote here, what do i do about the fact the president didn't denounce the
conduct immediately and sent a tweet that arguably exacerbated things? isn't that from a bluesability standpoint that the president plausibly agreed with the conduct of the people inside the capitol that day? does this comment or others give you any indication on how this judge will rule? >> you know, it's funny, aprila. it's hard to tell from a judge's comments because sometimes they are playing devil's advocate and sometimes they are just trying to probe what might be the weaknesses and the position that they might come down on the side of, but this judge is a reasonable judge, and it seems to me that he's going to be looking very carefully at these issues of what capacity was the president, former president acting in? was he acting as a candidate? was he acting in his own best personal interest, political interests versus the interests of the country, and the notion of him sitting there on his hands doing nothing while cheering on the insurrection suggests that the judge recognizes that he's not acting in the country's best interest at that point. he's acting in his own best interest so i think that that is the line that the judge is
trying to draw, and if i had to guess i would say the judge is leaning towards finding that he wasn't acting in the country's interests and, therefore, should not have any sort of immunity because he was a sitting president. >> i also want to ask you about the ongoing investigation in georgia. the fulton county district attorney just told the associated press that she plans to make a decision in the first half of this year, so sometime in the next few months, on whether she will pursue charges against former president trump for his efforts to overturn the election results there in georgia, and she also said she's considering a special grand jury to hear evidence and testimony. jennifer, the fact that she's making this info public, setting procedures and timelines and expectations for the public here, does that surprise you? >> not real, ana, because this information was already public. the investigation was public. she announced that she was doing it some time ago, so very often prosecutors keep their investigations quiet and covert, but when they announce them, when they get out into the
public, then it's incumbent upon a prosecutor to end it as well. if they are not going to charge, particularly to tell the public that they are not going to charge so i think the fact that she's informing us of the timeline is in keeping with the notion that it was a public investigation from the beginning. it doesn't really tip it one way or the other as to what she's going to do, but you're certainly right that she's raising expectations so we'll have to see which way this goes. >> and based on what she does, should they pursue charges on a more local level against a former president, would that, do you think apply more or less pressure foreed in investigators, for the doj, merrick garland, to also pursue charges? >> that's a real interesting question. i think it doesn't weigh in either way because there would be very different charges because there's no concern of overlap like the fact that a georgia case is proceeding doesn't have any impact on the doj's ability to proceed but nor do i think doj will take comfort
from this notion oh, someone else has charged him. now we don't have to worry about it so much. i think doj will make its own decision based on its investigation. if it start one there's still some question marks about that, but if it does engage in a full investigation of the former president for his actions in -- in trying to overturn the election and the events leading up to january 6th i think it will really be without with regard to what's happening in georgia. >> good to have you here. >> thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks, ana. >> coming up, just when it seemed like novak djokovic will be playing in the australian open it looks like his legal troubles aren't over yet. why pictures of the tennis star have raised red flags for border officials. like we would treat our own moms, with care and respect. to us, the little things are the big things. which is why we do everything in our power to make buying a car an unforgettable experience. happy birthday. thank you. we treat every customer like we would treat our own moms.
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>> ale, ana, this is to do with the travel declaration, a form that everybody has to fill in before they enter into australia. it asks about your personal details. it asks about your covid vaccination, if you have had it and it also asks what your travel plans have been, the 14 days before you went to australia, so this was asking where have you been in the last 14 days, where do you plan to be in the 14 days before arrival, and do you plan to travel, and djokovic had ticked no for that particular fox, but the fact was that we now have photos that have started to emerge of him in spain and in serbia for the two weeks before his arrival here. now according to a source close to the investigation, this is an investigation by australia border force ongoing at this point to find out if he did in fact give false information. now, according to the home affairs ministry, the maximum
penalty for doing this is 12 months in prison. now certainly no one expects anything like that, but it is a very serious offense to have falsified a document. now, of course, it could be the case that it was an error. there could have been a wrong box ticked but it comes at a time when the australian government is smarting from the legal loss of the visa being reinstated to novak djokovic. we know that the immigration ministry and the minister is currently deciding whether or not he's going to personally intervene to strip djokovic of his visa once again. so certainly this is not going to be welcome news for the djokovic camp, and it's certainly something that the government and the australian border force are looking at more closely. >> one more twist in the saga. paula hancocks, thank you for that reporting. it is the opposite of a call for unity or an olive branch. what kevin mccarthy is vowing to do if republicans win control of
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mark his words. house minority leader kevin mccarthy has vowed to remove three democratic lawmakers from three key committee assignments if republicans win back the chamber. former republican congressman and cnn political commentator charlie gent joins us now. congressman, mccarthy has singled out representatives adam schiff, eric swalwell, and ilhan omar. he says if republicans take back the house, they're gone from committees. your reaction. >> well, the reason why we're in this predicament to begin with is because i think really -- i
believe kevin mccarthy should have given marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar the steve king treatment. that is, when steve king made repeated racially incendiary comments, kevin mccarthy moved quickly and removed him from his committees. he marginalized steve king. they ran a mainstream challenger against him in the gop primary in iowa and defeated him. that's how he should have dealt with greene and gosar but because he failed to do so, this matter came to the floor of the house where the full house voted to remove those members, and i think that's the problem, and i think his failure to maintain and enforce standards of conduct have brought us to this point. you know, it's regrettable that i think he made that comment that he's going to, you know, he's going to retaliate against democrats. i guess we shouldn't be surprised, but mccarthy is also looking at this from the perspective of becoming the next house speaker. and he needs every vote. you remember, in 2015, it was that far-right fringe element that took kevin mccarthy down when he tried to ascend to the
speaker's role after john boehner had resigned, announced his resignation, so i think he's worried about that same fringe leveraging or squeezing him again, just in 2023, just like they did in 2015. >> just to be clear, mccarthy's reasoning for ousting these democrats, he said, has to do with sort of this false equivalency he's trying to make. i mean, he says it's because when democrats kicked off republicans marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar from their committees that they created a, quote, new standard, but i do think it's important to point out that gosar and marjorie taylor greene were removed for either social media posts depicting or in support of killing fellow members of congress, and that is not what mccarthy is alleging with these democrats, so it just doesn't add up. >> yeah, that's right, ana. let me tell you what. look, i worked with speakers boehner, pelosi, and ryan, and i
saw how they dealt with members who became distractions or embarrassments. i mean, we used to do these things internally. i was involved with conversations to get members of congress to resign in order to protect the institution from further damage. and these, again, were for issues of conduct or misconduct. in the cases of gosar and greene, those were bad acts. i mean, these were really embarrassing and offensive to the institution, and that's where it gets back to this issue of maintaining a standard of conduct. that is the role of the leaders. if they don't do it, then that conduct becomes acceptable and normalized, and look how they've been able to monetize that. marjorie taylor greene is raising boat loads of money. she's able to monetize that notoriety. there was a time when you had that type of reputational damage that you became a nonentity and you could barely manage to hold on to your seat, but now, we're in a different world. >> i only have 30 seconds, but i
do wonder if the january 6th investigation has anything to do with his positioning here, given he could be called to testify and one of these members is on that january 6th committee, rep schiff. >> well, i don't know that that's a factor. clearly, you know, he has some bad blood. there's bad blood between kevin mccarthy and swalwell and schiff. i think that's part of it. there might be some local dynamics, but again, i think kevin mccarthy's disagreement with those two is really largely over policy disagreements, not over necessarily bad conduct. >> well, i appreciate your time, as always, congressman dent. good to see you. >> thank you, ana. and thank you for joining me. i'll be back tomorrow at 1:00 eastern. in the meantime, join me on twitter, @anacabrera. the news continues next with alisyn and victor. have a great one. better skin from your body wash? try olay body wash with skincare super ingredient
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