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the united states right now. that's one-third of the population. it goes all the way north from north dakota to texas and all the way to the east coast. scenes you see right here are what many millions of people are dealing with tonight. and the forecast calls for more possibly deadly conditions. it's not going to get above freezing in indiana and surrounding states until sunday afternoon. thanks so much for watching. anderson starts now. good evening. tonight the very latest on what president biden calls limiting capability for terrorist threats around the globe. a pre-dawn raid in northwest syria near the turkish border. when it was over, the leader of isis was dead. in a moment my conversation with pentagon spokesman john kirby of what went into it and lieberman
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about what went into it. >> forces going after the leader of isis, aka haji abdullah. >> it sent a strong message to terrorists around the world. we will come after you and find you. >> the helicopters approached the compound in the middle of the night. according to officials, once on the ground special forces warned civilians to clear out. he then blew himself up, killing his wife and children. a tenant one floor below killed special forces. toward the end of the two-hour
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operation, two members of the al qaeda affiliate were killed by u.s. forces. they had to keep one of their helicopters on the ground for mechanical failures. there were combatants. that wasn't the plan. this raid was the biggest u.s. operation in syria since the one that killed abu bakr al ba baghdadi, the original terrorist. in march 2020, the state department labeled him a specially designated global terrorist with a $10 million reward. >> he was responsible for the recent brutal attack on the prison in northeast syria holding isis fighters. he was the driving force behind the genocide of the people in northwest iraq in 2014. >> reporter: he never left the
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third floor of the building in northwest syria except to bathe on the roof, officials said. by early december officials believed they had pinpointed his location and president biden called for the raid. in 2019, they have plans to rebuild. it's 24 hours after the operation but there remain a number of questions, including this discrepancy. pentagon said there was a total of 9/11 killed in this operation while people on the ground say there were 13. that discrepancy needs, at some point, to be resolved and we expect more information about this. anderson, officials say the next set of fighters will receive the same fate. >> we have navy rear admiral john kirby. i spoke to him shortly before air time. admiral, thank you for joining us. how long was this strike against isis in the planning stages and
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what led to the decision to carry it out last night? can you say? >> this was several months of planning going back into the fall, well into the fall here, anderson, and it was really built up over a while looking at the intelligence from a different variety of sources to help us make sure we had the right person, we had the right compound, and to your question, the right time. timing is always a factor with respect to things you can't necessarily control, like the weather. and the moonlight and that kind of thing. you want to do these things at nighttime, so there were a couple times we thought we might be able to go a little earlier, and just conditions weren't right. last night conditions were perfect, the opportunity was there and we took it. >> isis may have lost its leader, but as we've seen in the past, other leaders pop up. what kind of capabilities do they still have as an organization eithein the reasonable or their ability to pursue attacks outside of syria? >> make no mistake, isis is a much more degraded organization than they were in 2014.
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they have definitely lost a lot of their resourcing, a lot of their authorities and certainly a lot of their capabilities. that said shs and we have seen this over the last year or so, they have been trying to reconstitute, trying to grow, trying to get stronger, trying to metastasize outside the region, and certainly we have seen locations that they have designs attacking the west skand even our homeland. haji abdullah was a prominent leader. his father was more of a policy guy. he was very animated to reconstitute and lead a resurgence of isis. so this is a big blow for them. but you're right, we're not doing a victory dance here, no victory laps. we know that we have to stay focused on isis. we know they still have designs to maim and terrorize. there will likely be another
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leader appointed by them so we'll stay focused on the threat. >> we've seen also groups pledging allegiance to isis pop up. there is a group in west africa, also there's been fighting in mozambique, and now the military is involved in combat. how centralized is isis, and some of these options we're seeing in africa and elsewhere, are they pledging allegiance or do they have contact and support from isis central? >> they do have splinter groups that proclaim loyalty and allegiance to isis, but they go their own way in their method of attacks and the goal they're trying to achieve in whatever areas. that's what we mean by me
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metastization. you have isis k who was responsible for the terror attack in abu dhabi airport. so abdullah was able to provide overarching structure for the larger organization but to be directly involved in operations. >> are you concerned about a retaliatory strike from isis? >> we are always watching for threats by isis. we don't have any indication right now that there is some sort of retaliation in the offing, but we'll be watching this very, very closely. obviously we'll do what we need to do to protect ourselves, our allies and partners. >> we also learned today that the russian intelligence was planning to produce a propaganda video that would show a fake attack against russia, a video they could then use as a pretext to ukraine. can you tell us about this and what's behind the decision tro reveal it today? >> first of all, we want to be careful how much detail we put out there, but it's often a
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collection of material that leeldlead us to a conclusion. we've been watching this for a while. this is right out of the russian playbook. they did it in 2014 where they try to create a pretext for some action. we believe the information was credible enough to share at least parts of it to the public in the hopes we could call out russia on what they hope to do. just in the public information space, anderson, they're making claims against the ukranian government being aggressive, or ukranian-speaking citizens in russia. they're always trying to create this narrative that ukraine is a threat to their national security. >> i don't know what term the pentagon would use, but where do you see the likelihood of an actual invasion by military forces? in other words, imminent has been bandied about, not used by the white house for various
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reasons. >> he continues to increase his capabilities along the border with ukraine and belarus, and that means he continues to increase his options. his options for military use. what we've said here at the pentagon is he could move any day, and that's the way we're looking at it. >> to that point there is russian troop buildup along the border of ukraine, a larger deployment in belarus. it roughly amounts to 30,000 soldiers. since belarus is a nato member, how concerned are they about the military presence in belarus? >> we are watching that with deep concern, because it does, again, give mr. putin more options certainly against ukraine, but it is very close to a nato ally, the eastern flank of nato. that's why we announced we'll be sending extra troops from germany to romania. we also announced we'll be sending some troops to poland.
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we're in constant touch with our counterpart. all the eastern flank nations have expressed these concerns. we're seeing the same things that they are, and we're continuing to talk to them about perhaps additional capabilities they might need from the united states to help bolster their defenses. >> admiral john kirby, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> yes, sir. we have a live report from moscow coming up. i'll speak to the head of operations returning to isis. he has written a book on it. he's author jody warrick. he said islamic state's ghost of a leader was plotting comeback when u.s. commandos cornered him. what do you think about this? >> it's been struggling to get
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its footing in syria and iraq. it was having successes in its regional affiliates. especially in africa they were able to have military victories and take over territory, but not so much in iraq and syria where it all got started. they were making small raids on police stations and that sort of thing. but then in the last months, you see isis becoming much more ambitious, much more aggressive, and they were trying to get something toecgether. just as things started to coalesce, you had a symbolic blow with the leader and things got set back a bit. >> is it a technicality in terms of isis? is it a blow? >> it's clear the leader was involved in the planning. at the same time efrs he was ki the invisible man. he was never seen since he was
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appointed as leader. he didn't even release the perfunctory audio and video messages baghdadi would release from time to time. he did none of that. in fact, he seems to never have left his house. but we did find out later that bin laden was indeed active, involved in planning, involved in the strategic vision for the group, so there was no question he was involved in that kind of ti activity, at least from his hideout in syria. >> what is isis able to carry out aside from jasyria and iraqn western targets? >> one thing they tell you to do in addition to these regional affiliates, some that are quite impressive, was this messaging operation which were always part of this islamic mission. they always wanted to protect themselves is not just powerful and important, but to kget them
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to pledge to isis. they can always get people to do bad things where they are, whether it was a young kid blowing up a mall. we see it from time to time, and we wonder if we might see any of those attacks anywhere in the world. >> thank you very much. coming up, a top american security official said the invasion of ukraine could come at any time, and moscow said they were preparing a video pretext for it. later in sports, kareem abdul-jabar joins us, telling us why the nfl is down to just one black head coach in the entire league, and allege alleged.
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so many developments in the ukraine crisis. a white house official telling wolf blitzer that a russian invasion, in his words, could begin any time. diplomats say russians in belarus are a big worry. also the revelation for the biden administration was cooking up a pretext to invade, a video depicting an attack on the territory, complete with military equipment, doctors playing real corpses. they called the disclosure clear and shocking evidence, russia's
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unclear provoking of ukraine. what is the worry for ukraine? >> they are planning a less than specified operation, the british government saying putin had a political puppet in mind to put in place to run ukraine once russian forces invaded. on this particular accusation, the russian ambassador to the european union said, no, this is not us, we're not doing this. he said, there's no logical reason for russia to try to invent or confabricate somethin like this. if you listen to the media, the way the media is playing the story here, it is playing high the possibility that ukraine would attack russian-backed separatists in the east. there is the scope there for a false flag operation to be used.
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the scope and space is there. the public is told this is where a clash could come, but absolute categorical denial from russian oy f officials this evening. anderson? >> where is putin talking right now? is there interaction with him and other relations? >> absolutely fascinating today. he met in person with the argentinian president, alberto fernandez. remember just two days before, he met with his big european buddy, the prime minister. they sat at opposite ends of a long table. when they gave a joint press conference, they were many meters, many feet apart giving the briefing. when he met the argentinian president today, there was first a handshake and then they were hugging. i think perhaps the most important diplomatic coup we had
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was with a diplomatic president, less than a week now, and according to the kremlin, the kremlin pushed for long-binding guarantees that will express their concerns, and the office in palace, they would look for ways to deescalate tensions. this is the third call for less than a week. macron called president biden last night, but he says he's talking to other european leaders. macron seems to be putin's security engagement person on ukraine. >> and putin will attend a china meeting tomorrow. >> in fact, putin is on his way there now, and if anything, this
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offers putin a couple things here. one, he gets to grandstand on the world stage and show himself as an important leader, and others are willing for him to give his response on the nato letter last week. he also gets strengths and business deals from the chinese leader. we heard from the kremlin there were more than 14 or 15 bills on the table that they could sign. of course, putin is facing huge international sanctions. deals with china could help him get around that. there's even congregations to get nato out of both nations coming from the united states. he has to watch his language with president xi in china, sanctions were put on putin, putin went by getting a gas bill, but they were terms that were favorable to the chinese
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and not to president putin. one of the things they're talking about now is a second gas pipeline coming from sigh berea. it is a possibility to find some. could be big sanctions if he. >> how typical is it to lay groundwork r. >> yeah, anderson, the russians froechd it's not just how many boots on the ground, how many for the battle stas, sh they have always excelled since irt.
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whether, in this most recent case, is actually video types of things. the thing that concerned me most putin has in the past said things like, wherever they are, there is russia. what he has a tendency to do when f you're a werner m. it's genocide by this nazi thing named kyiv. it gives him the right, essentially, the obligation, some would say, to go in and do this. that's what they're already good
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at. >> and some are accusing kyiv of simply denying locals their basic rights. >> yeah, and that's going to be part of that whole stoerks fushlgs but not only he would daush moscow and other people there who was. we need nothing and do something about 2. people in could you tell in. you've already heard it when they talk about kose vol when they went in and took it it. >> are there any offramps to deescalate this in your view?
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vladimir putin, reheard now he's had such concentrations twz you'll recall not too many weeks ago, it's just ray recall, and then people like myself and others are saying there is just not a whole recall. he wouldn't like it, he won't pick up the phone. president biden calls, and it's easier to a those are positive signs. goufr got him talking. if he were remember. steve hall, appreciate it.
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new york city was gripped by a heartbreaking scene yesterday as officer wilbert mora was laid
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to rest after being shot and killed along with rivera last month. shooting incidents in the city went up 32% last month compared to the previous year. president biden visited new york city to talk about the uprise in violence. >> 106 are killed and 62 police officers have been injured by gun violence so far this year. enough is enough, because we know we can do things about this. >> the president also spoke with new york city mayor and retired nypd captain eric adams who is trying to reduce violent crime.
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mayor adams is with us. thank you for being with us. how effective do you think the president's proposals for stopping gun violence could actually be? >> it went well, and i really want to thank the president, ambassador rice as well as the attorney general. because this was a promise that was made immediately after i got elected during the primary. i asked them to come to the city and see what the crisis management teams are doing underground and assist us in getting proper funding, something he's calling congress to do. but i also asked at the time to have a 9/11 type response to the terror of violence in our city, similar to what we did during international terrorism that took down our two towers. and he responded. and there was an initiative put in place by the new york city police department that collaborated with atf, fbi,
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parole violation, nypd and he witnessed today how well that is taking place. but we need the federal government to stop the flow of guns into our cities across america. >> there is criticism for the president for not talking enough or focusing enough on whether it's just gun violence or crime in the united states. it's not just new york city. we've seen rises in crime in a couple places across the country. the president has talked about it from time to time but not with a huge amount of focus. what do you want to see happen in this city as an example in the next six to eight months? >> you know, anderson, this has been really an embarrassment throughout the years. unfolding on our streets every day, places like chicago, detroit, atlanta, san francisco, new york, we were witnessing this violence that was isolated to black and brown communities, and it was as though no one saw
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this crises. we talked about assault rifles but we never talked about the handguns that really was causing highways of death across america. this president took a different direction. he took his spotlight and he stated we're going to look at this gun violence and we're not going to allow it to continue. what we need the next couple months both locally and on a federal level is to reexamine some of the laws we've passed. i continue to say there are many cities of violence in our country and the federal government needs to play a role. if the federal government could get to the level that they could identify the source of these guns, we would go a long way, because nypd is doing their job. we took 6,000 guns off the street last year, close to 400 this year. but we need to stop the flow as
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i institute my plans of putting in place a plainclothes anti-gun unit or uniformed anti-gun unit in vehicles as well as more policing. >> how much of that call by protesters to defund the police, which is not something you supported nor has president biden supported, but that call did get a lot of popularity with hundreds of thousands of protesters in the streets. obviously being political is one thing, but it's not been popular among police officers, there has been a real drop in morale, and even those calls that police shouldn't respond when someone is in a mental health crisis, there should be a mental health counselor. the two officers, i believe, were responding to a domestic call of a mom who was having trouble with her son. no mention of firearms involved, and they got there and he came out of the bedroom with guns
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blazing. >> this is what happened. i spent my life's work dealing with informant police. you interviewed me over the years when i talked about police reform. i testified in federal court the abuse of stopping force, but when you do reform, you can't help public safety. we've witnessed districts who do reform but not public safety. we need to tweak some of the legislation that we have witnessed to take into account the public safety aspect of it. we can't have cities, anderson, where people are walking into stores, taking off the shelves whatever they want without paying, and then selling it on the internet because of organized crime methods. you can't have people on your subway systems or your streets
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that have mental health illnesses and unable to take care of themselves. you are watching the erosion of american cities because there is a mindset in our cities that anything and everything goes. there is no form of order. this is unacceptable, and too many young people believe it is permissible and all right toly carry on and we have to set that tone. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, i'll speak to kareem abdul-jabar. he is talking racial discrimination. the question is what took so long? more on that ahead. and cue has made that easier. with cue, you get lab-quality covid-19 test results in just 20 minutes. speed and accuracy. it's just for the nba; it's for you too.
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a former head coach claims he was offered money to lose games. but his accusations go much further. he said a pattern of
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racialization are a pattern among the nfl. the league is down to just one black coach. kareem abdul-jabar has spent half a century calling out what he sees as injustice, and he writes, what took so long? i'm not referring specifically to flores' lawsuit but to make public the racism inherent in the nfl. kareem abdul-jabar joins me now. thank you, kareem, for being with us. let's talk about the flores lawsuit. first the allegations much racism. what do you think is behind the lack of black people in management and head coaching positions in the nfl? >> i think that it has a lot to do with familiarity and just having it go on the way it's been going along because the nfl makes a lot of money and they don't see the need to open the doors to minorities.
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>> there are problems throughout industry, throughout companies of a lack of diversity at the very top of the corporate pyramid. what's particularly noticeable and which you point out in your article is that it's not as if there is a dearth of black employees in the nfl, there are people who have -- most of the players are black and have experience working on a football team and know what it's like, and you would think in that industry would be easier to have people moving up from after their playing years, move up through management. >> almost had -- almost 60% of the players in the nfl are black or some other person of color, and the fact that there are so
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many of them that stood on the side sidelines, tony dungy as an example was very successful in guiding the football team to winning. where does the guilt lie in not being able to hire more people of minority status? the nba has tried it and it's been very successful for them. coaching, assistant coaching, people working in the financial aspects of the team, all these are considered controversial and the nba continues to thrive and attract a bigger and bigger audience. so i don't think the nfl has a foot to stand on in answering
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these questions. it's been way too long and they should do something about it. >> it's interesting also that this is a backdrop of president biden over saying he is looking for a black woman to fill the seat on the supreme court, and there is a lot of folks, republicans mostly, saying, well, you shouldn't specify like that, it should be whoever is the most qualified. but certainly in the nfl, there are lots of people who are qualified who are black, and it doesn't seem like they are being considered at the same rate by the predominantly white owners. i mean, flores alleges he was interviewed by the giants for their head coach position after they had already offered the position to someone else, and he alleges they did it to fulfill their rooney rule requirement,
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which is to interview minority coaches, and the giants deny this claim. >> i think the giants just checked a box. if you review minority candidates, they check the box of one or two minority candidates, and they move on and do what they've always been doing. somebody had to call them out on it. coach flores risks everything, you know, his own career, but it's bigger than that, it's bigger than coaching. this is about how we live in america and something should be done about that. >> lastly, flores, and as i mentioned, hugh jackson who coached the cleveland browns until 2018 alleged they remember offered money to lose games on purpose. what is your reaction to those claims? >> you know, when you hear
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reports like that, you immediately start to think about the integrity of the game and people who make decisions that affect how the games proceed and how the game is given so much of the spotlight, you know. this past weekend with the games for the division titles, it was just totally dominant on the airwaves. it's a very successful business. but it has to really show that it cares about all of the people that are involved in it, not just a select few who have a lot of power. >> kareem abdul-jabar, it's always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> good talking to you. >> good talking to you. coming up next, we're going to continue this conversation from the new york giants. we'll talk about race in the nfl and the allegations brian flores has made against the dolphins
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the white house is cautiously promoting the idea that we may soon enter a new normal where we coexist with the coronavirus, even if we return to something like our pre-covid lives. the surgeon general told cnn he's more optimistic than ever it may happen. for many it means more masks and mask mandates but also something we didn't see much of before the pandemic, those plexiglass barriers at restaurants, schools, and businesses. are they actually effective, though? and how well do they work without masking? our randi kaye tonight has some answers. >> 3, 2, 1. >> reporter: inside this lab at florida atlantic university, two engineering professors are
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simulating a cough to see how coronavirus droplets tmay sprea from the workplace and other real world situation. this mannequin's mouth is filled with water and glycerin. a green laser captures the droplets in the air. the professors aren't so concerned about the big droplets that fall to the ground. it's the small ir air droplets. when the mannequin coughs, the screen traps most of the larger particle sos the person on the other side may avoid a direct hit. but those smaller particles still escape around the sides and over the top. >> they're not 100%, the passage of the droplet to the other
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side. but it reduces the number that goes through. >> this professor says the screens reduce the droplet concentration by about 80%, so the viral load is much lower. and the cough stream may not go as far with the screen. when we visited this lab earlier in the pandemic to test the power of a cough without a plexiglass screen, droplets travelled as far as 12 feet with nothing to stop them. but even with the screen, lighter aerosoized droplets can accumulate in the air. it has to be a high quality mask. when we tried a simple cloth mask, this happened. >> 3, 2, 1. >> reporter: most of the droplets got through. and while the screens can help protect you, the professor says too many of them in one room can block airflow and put people at
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risk. now, this type of setup simulates an office environment. it's a plexiglass desk with three sides. you might also find this in the classroom. the question is, if somebody coughs, will it stop the spread? so, let's turn out the lights and find out. the three-sided screen helps contain a significant portion of the droplets. most swirl within. >> so, the screen also slows down the force of the cough net. >> yeah, exactly. >> reporter: still, he warns if the air in the room is flowing toward the source of the cough, there could be a back draft effect. in that case, the virus trapped behind the desk would be pushed further backward toward those seated behind the person who coughed. with the workplace desk setup, we tried a high quality n95 mask to see if it helped. proof a well-fitted mask is key. droplets going up is better than
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them being propelled forward, right? that shows that that n95 made the difference. >> yeah, it does make a difference. >> randi joins us now. with all that said, do the professors recommend these plexiglass screens? >> well, anderson, they think they have potential, but they certainly think more testing needs to be done because in that lab they work in, it's a very controlled environment. nobody moves during those tests. but in the real world, people would be moving around in a workplace. they would be moving around in a retail store. so, the airflow would change. the course of the airflow would change in that environment. also the droplets would behave differently in that environment. that's why they want to do more testing in the real world. overall they think the screens are a good idea as long as they are built properly. professor dannic thinks they need to be at least three feet high. and for all this to work well, we need four things. we need good ventilation, masking. even though those desks are being used, they need to be
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