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hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington. last hour president biden convened a call with key allies. he cautions things could go crazy quickly in ukraine. the secretary of state says russia could invade at any time. plus, a big week of covid change for millions of americans. mask mandates will soon end and even as the president says it's probably too soon. a new reporting on the democrats' next move. there is consensus the build back better plan is dead. now the debate is which pieces
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of that plan just might, might have a chance to pass. we begin with the january 6th investigation and the break-neck pace of new developments. today, we learned some of the white house records donald trump took to mar-a-lago were clearly marked classified. that helps explain why the national archives this week asked the justice department to determine if trump broke the law. we also learned this week the former president removed boxes of records from the west wing in some cases trying to tear them to shreds. in others, new reporting shows he flushed them down the toilet. the house oversight committee promises to investigate and the january 6th committee has a keen interest, too, as it looks for missing trump phone logs and other records critical to its minute-by-minute timeline. we start with maggie haberman of the "new york times" and the author of an upcoming book "confidence man the making of donald trump and the breaking of america." maggie, grateful for your time. there's a big picture issue here of another example of the trump white house and trump as
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president going way outside the norms when it comes to records preservations, but the immediate issue is how much does this impact important investigations like the january 6th committee, right? >> right. john, and we don't know. i think it's important to make clear what we do know is that over many, many years this president -- there were people in his white house who tried to follow rules. who tried to adhere to norms and standard practices and tried to get him to do that. he, you know, did his own thing. my colleague andy carney while at politico broke the story about the fact he was ripping up documents and that was a significant story. people would have to follow him around taping them back up. this has come up as we know as the january 6th committee is looking through pieces of paper and documents. you know, we don't know exactly what was in these boxes that went to mar-a-lago. we're all trying to find out. we don't know whether this could have -- or not related to january 6th, but i think that what has happened is there is an effort to try to -- there's been
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a bunch of new pieces of paper that have come out related to what was taking place and the efforts for trump to stay in power. that's raised all kinds of questions. but we don't really have answers to those questions yet. >> again, you talk about sort of within the white house some people trying to do it right. some people, led by the then president of the united states, doing it outside the norms. you share a nugget in your reporting from the important new book. while president, staff in the white house residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet leading them to believe that mr. trump had attempted to flush documents, according to people familiar with the situation. he was known to do the same on foreign trips, the people said. the question is, you know, and where does the reporting go, is the president destroying things he doesn't independent the file or just mad and destroying what's in his hand? >> right. and we just don't know, john, again. the reporting that you just read is what is going to be in the book. can't speak for every single foreign trip but certainly some foreign trips this happened on.
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so it wasn't strictly staff in the white house who had this experience directly in the residence, but we don't know. not every single piece of paper is the same. not every single piece of paper is something of consequence. it's always hard to tell with this former president. you know, why exactly he's doing what he's doing. i think that the flip side of that is that what we saw on january 6th is that sometimes his motive doesn't actually matter and, you know, what exactly he was looking for. he wanted to remain in power and a bunch of people stormed the capitol after that. so i think that that's part of why you can't just say who knows what this means. it doesn't matter really. but we don't know what these documents were, what was being thrown in the toilet. >> what we do know is more than a year after he left the white house we're having a conversation we've had before in the sense that several different places, congressional committees, the justice department, the justice department looking at a potential criminal referral from the national archives. was this law breaking? the house oversight committee
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wants to explore that. does it violate the presidential records act. and you write with your cligs about the january 6th committee. the committee was also subpoenaing telecommunications companies for a range of people in mr. trump's inner circle. it's unknown whether they demanded records from mr. trump's personal cell phone. that's another piece of this. so outside the norms that you're trying to piece together donald trump's day on january 6th and you can't do it the traditional way because he'd say, hey, dan, give me your cell phone. that's frustrating. >> yes, look, i mean, he was -- there are presidents who have periodically been known to grab somebody else's phone while they were talking and say something into it but generally speaking most presidents and most presidents also existed in the pre-cell phone age but since there have been cell phones, donald trump is the only president i know of who often used other people's phones to have conversations, according to multiple aides. you know, this has always been for people who worked in the white house, they have often said this was going to be a
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challenge for the committee in trying to get a full accounting of that day and his movements because this was just his practice. >> maggie, before you go, i want to give you a chance. some people see this detail released from your new book about trump flushing papers down the toilet and think -- if they essentially have accused you of withholding this information. holding this information for a book. not true. please explain. >> sure. john, thank you for that. i appreciate it. look, i understand there's a lot of confusion for folks about how these processes work, why things go in a book or not in the newspaper right away. to be clear, i did not know this was happening while he was president. i'm not known for, you know, sitting on scoops. if i have information. number one. number two, i found this out in the course of the reporting for the book, well after trump had left the white house. i do have a new book. that book is not out for eight months so i'm trying to get this information out as fast as possible. because i think it's relevant. do i know that it is
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particularly meaningful in terms of what pieces of paper ended up where? we do not. i don't want to suggest more than i do, but i did think this was relevant and that's why now and that's how i acquired the information. i would not want someone thinking that i knew this in realtime because i didn't. >> right. this is an example here of you following your reporting ins instincts and making public what you do know. this could be a relevant piece of information. maggie haberman, thank you for your important reporting. with me to share their reporting, laura barron-lopez, manu raju and ayesha rascoe. let's look to the significance of this week. we just get dizzy with the number of developments. "washington post," some trump records taken to mar-a-lago clearly marked at classified. national archives asked for justice department to look into it. giuliani asking a michigan prosecutor, turn over your voting machines. the flushed papers.
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january 6th committee subpoenas one time trump adviser peter navarro. a flurry of activity. the question is, where does it lead us? >> this is going to be a fascinating report when the january 6th committee eventually releases its report. they may do an interim one before the elections happen, but of course have to try to finish it up by the end of the year. they have uncovered a lot of information. they've talked to hundreds of witnesses. they've gotten documents from mark meadows to other people in the white house. now we know that there were 15 boxes or so that were in mar-a-lago that donald trump took from the white house, potentially in violation of the presidential records act, reporting suggests some of this was top secret information. does that shed any light into what happened on january 6th? so what new information, of course, do they reveal and what gaps are there? even if they do try to subpoena donald trump's cell phone records, possibly donald trump is going to fight this as he's known to do it. if he fights this it could drag on in court and perhaps still
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gaps in the information but perhaps new information as well. >> a lot of smart lawyers are saying it's really hard to prove donald trump broke the law or prove criminal intent of breaking the law. beyond that, let the justice department look at what it looks like. the house oversight committee. if you read this "washington post" reporting. even with documents marked classified, prosecutors have a high legal bar to get to criminal charges. prosecutors have to prove someone mishandled the material, was grossly negligent in doing so. and trump as president could have unfettered latitude to declassify material. an attorney who often defends trump or often says liberals are overreacting saying that if he took these with him, the second he's not president, he loses that privilege. >> yeah. i'm sure that you would have all sorts of arguments that you know trump would come up with that maybe he declassified them before he left and because that whole process of a president declassifying, he could verbally
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say, okay, well, i declassified this, but it's going to be very complicated. and it seems like that happens over and over with trump. he walks this line where it's like, is that legal? i don't know, but it's the sort of thing that are very hard to prove in court. like -- and people get frustrated. people are like, how is he able to walk these lines and it seems like they are finding all this stuff but he doesn't get in trouble but it's because a lot of it is norms and it's very difficult to prove in court. and so that is why he quote, unquote, can get away with things that people feel like, how is he doing that? >> how and why? and the why is an important question. i put it to maggie. is he just angry at something so he rips up whatever he's holding at the moment or looking at something saying, i do not want this in a file that someone is going to find some day so now i'm going to rip it up? we don't know. john berman tried to ask that question of a white house insider. >> this is another example of a white house and an
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administration that just -- we had no rules. we followed no rules. >> was it clear to you why he was doing it? was it a nervous tick or was it because he wanted them out of circulation and destroyed? >> i don't know the answer to that. to be honest with you, i always thought it was something he alw everything up. >> just that again, the motive? we'll leave it to investigators to determine. but he just tore everything up. we had no rules. we followed no rules. >> for those of us that were here and covered the trump administration, as ayesha said, no surprise, right? this president broke rules constantly. and so -- but it -- hypocrisy and irony abounds. the spentire 2016 election was about whether or not hillary clinton didn't properly use her email or use personal email and we consistently find out that the former president of the united states used his personal phone, used the personal phones
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of his staff, tore up documents, flushed them down the toilet, took potentially really highly classified documents to mar-a-lago. there's a question about did he -- he has the power when he's currently president to declassify some of those documents. did he do that before taking them? we don't know that. but still, it really looks like he violated the presidential records act. but, yeah, does he actually face any legal peril over it? right now it seems unlikely. >> his conduct is the most important part of this but to the hypocrisy part. liz cheney says we'll have public hearings. we're not on a vin deta. we're going to lay out the facts. but so many republicans who think that mechillary clinton should be in the middle of her life sentence now for the emails. >> i asked a bunch of republicans about this. not surprisingly, most of them downplayed it and josh hawley of missouri said, why aren't we investigating what happened in afghanistan? why not look at what happened with the former president? even the critics of donald trump like mitt romney, he said along
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the long list of donald trump sins, this is the very bottom of the sin list. he pointed other to issues. of course, romney voted to convict donald trump twice in his impeachment trials. so they're not so worked up. but democrats will try to investigate this. >> we'll see how those investigations go. president biden talks with key european allies today as his secretary of state says that russian invasion of ukraine could begin at any time.
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some new and urgent reporting just in to cnn on the situation in ukraine. multiple sources now telling our correspondents, the united states and its allies have new intelligence that indicates russia may invade ukraine before -- before the end of the winter olympics.
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let's get straight to kylie atwood at the state department. >> u.s. and european officials are telling us the united states and its allies have new intelligence that russia could launch an attack on ukraine before the end of the olympics. the olympics end february 20th. and previously, the intelligence assessment suggested that that invasion wouldn't come until the olympics are over. this comes as we've seen some urgency in the remarks coming out particularly from u.s. officials. secretary of state tony blinken said that russian invasion into ukraine could happen at any time. we've heard that from u.s. officials over the last few weeks. but he added, to be clear, that that includes during the olympics. so very explicit language from him there. of course, president biden is speaking today with his nato and european allies. later today national security adviser jake sullivan will give an update at the white house. and we're also told there is some of this intelligence that the administration is reviewing
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and thinking about declassifying to be made open to the public. john? >> kylie atwood, appreciate the breaking news. let's get straight to the white house and kaitlan collins. the president adds to the urgency of what was a urgent phone call to the nato allies. >> it was a virtual call. there are several world leaders on there. about a dozen of them. all our allies in europe, nato allies as well on this call with president biden talking about what is happening right now. of course, now that we're hearing about this new intelligence, it makes those warnings coming from secretary blinken overnight in australia make a lot more sense because previously the thinking had kind of been that maybe russia would wait until the end of the olympics given they're being held in china to make any kind of moves here. some officials even when those warnings were happening and that caution was happening were saying, we still aren't really sure because putin is unpredictable and we don't know that he'll wait until the olympics are over. now with this new intelligence, it shows he could be readying to
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move before then. so these will all be questions for jake sullivan who is president biden's national security adviser that's going to be joining the press secretary jen psaki at the briefing here in a few hours. and, of course, the question is whether or not this threat level has changed. if now they believe an invasion is more likely than before because we had been in this pattern, john, where the administration was using words like imminent to describe an invasion, saying it could happen at any time. they've backed off that a little when there was pushback from ukrainian officials who said the west was causing a panic by using terms like that. now you're seeing these warnings ratchet up, not just from the united states but also from prime minister boris johnson who yesterday was saying we are in the most dangerous moment -- phase of this crisis really with the pentagon saying that they are continuing to add troops on ukraine's border. with this reporting about the intelligence, you've really seen these governments be pretty forthcoming about what the intelligence is showing. whether it's about the russians trying to create a pretext for
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an invasion or putting in a pro-russian leader in ukraine. you've seen western governments be telling with this. that's telling the level of concern they have. >> part of the strategy to tell putin we're watching and try to discourage him. if we get any important details from that call, come back to us. governors across the country easing mask mandates. the president of the united states thinks that may be too soon. we'll get the perspective from an emergency room physician on the front lines, next. that ww n more personal. keep on shopping, ignore us. i've lost lilike 28 pounds. you look great! i love that my clothes fit better, but i just love ice cream a little bit more than that. the new ww personal points program is particular to you. so what kind of foods do you like? avocado. ice cream. sandwiches. no food is off limits. when can i start?! get started for just $5 a month at hurry, offer ends today!
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governors and mayors coast to coast moved this week to end mask mandates. some right ha way. some over the next several weeks. those steps get out ahead of current cdc guidance and out ahead of the president of the united states. >> are those governors wrong? >> well, it's hard to say whether they're wrong. >> is there a restlessness and leaders bowing to the political whims? >> oh, i do. omicron and the variant -- all the variants have had a profound impact on the psyche of the american people. i think it's probably premature but it's a tough call. >> let's get expertise and insights from a doctor on the front line at massachusetts general hospital. great to see you but as we have this debate. you've seen this, governors and
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mayors saying mask mandates being removed. i'm showing a map right now and the significance of all the white or gray people are seeing at home is that of the states that have indoor mask mandates, only three, plus the district of columbia, have not announced when they'll lift. most of america is now or will very soon be in a world where indoor mask mandates are a thing of the past. right call or too soon? >> i think it's probably the right call in terms of what we need to be doing over the next few weeks. i think it's probably too soon to be doing it now but here's the thing, john. president biden's point was really valid in that this is so tough on the psyche of the american people, right? we've got my patients every day come to me and say, well, i'm hearing this from the federal health agencies. i'm hearing this from a local town health agency. i don't know what to do and the confusion between what we're hearing on the federal level and what states around the country are doing is just damaging to the trust and the psyche that
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the population has and our health officials. >> do you think the cdc needs to change its guidance? >> i do. here's the thing. the cdc has mentioned -- dr. walensky mentioned they're looking at the parameters around which they make their masking recommendations. looking at them is important but also being transparent about what these parameters are and how they are making these decisions is going to be key because right now what we don't know is we don't know exactly the data that they're going to be using when they reanalyze whether we should or shouldn't be wearing masks in indoor spaces. and as long as they're transparent, as long as they're honest and share that data, i think the public is going to get back to being confident in what they're saying. right now we have the states saying one thing and the cdc saying they're looking at this again, and that's just not enough. >> you say let's talk through some of the other statistics and get it to where you live and work every day. this is coronavirus cases in public schools among students. among students, and if you just
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see massachusetts public schools among students and you go back here christmastime. the change of the year when we had the omicron peak. a steady drop since. looking now at much lower numbers. where you are in boston right now, when you talk about kids in schools, is it time for them to take their masks off? a week down the road? a month down the road? >> it's very soon, john. we actually are going to be doing that in just a couple of weeks at the end of this month. and that's because of the fact that we're looking at the cases coming down just like you've shown. but also that hospitalizations have really come down as well. and that's not true in all of the country but many places in the country the hospitalization rate is coming down. so i really think that's going to be the right call in just another week or two. >> so one of the reasons i'm grateful for your insight is the politicians can say this, doctors can say this. i can relate. it's great to talk to someone who does it every day. hospitalizations. one year ago in massachusetts where you work, just over 1,000 hospitalizations. right now we're back near about the same place.
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1,093 as of yesterday in the state of massachusetts. that's way down. just a month ago just shy of 3,000. so in terms of your day-to-day experience, completely better or still some question marks out there? >> still some -- it's all relative. we're down from the peak of 3,000. but 1,000 is still, while not completely overloading the system, it's still stressing the system and, remember, this is the middle of winter when we see everything from ski accidents to heart attacks with people shoveling snow so the hospitals -- my hospital in particular -- all hospitals are still very full. we're not where we want with covid hospitalizations but the trend is definitely in the right direction. >> i'm going to put up some trend lines that show you vaccinations. gray or blue line is fully vaccinated americans. this green line is boosted. americans who have gotten their booster shot as well. the cdc says this is essentially flat lined. the rate of growth among booster shots has slowed to the pace.
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goes back toward september. when all the data says if you get boosted, even if you get covid you'll probably stay out of the hospital. definitely stay alive. why is that flat lining? >> that's so frustrating, john. here's the thing. i think the thing that we are doing right now is we're yo-yoing. we're going from being -- having lots of mask mandates to opening up completely potentially and what we all need to remember, and i think we do when we really think hard about it, but it's easy to forget. it's things like vaccinations and things like testing that are going to keep us from having to keep yo-yoing back and forth. the fact that vaccinations has flat lined means that people think just because hospitalizations and case rates are coming down they don't need to get boosted. that's just not true. the way we prehavvent the next surge is by getting vaccinated and making sure we have enough tests. and we're not focusing enough on that. >> we'll keep trying to focus on it here. thank you. >> thanks, john. democrats try to salvage some of their policy agenda.
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the democratic effort to have a midterm election year reboot. the idea is to instead hope they can break it up and pass several
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smaller pieces of it. as that debate goes on, we are seeing a new push for some bipartisan measures. let's get to our congressional correspondent lauren fox. bipartisanship, what a novel idea. >> especially nine months before the midterms, john. democrats changing their focus here from build back better to what can they accomplish in the next several weeks and months ahead of this midterm. and already this week you saw a lot of action. first on the floor they passed the force arbitration bill that would revolutionize the way companies can handle sexual assault allegations within their workplaces. also an effort under way this week they introduced the violence against women's act. that comes after three years of negotiations. this bill expired three years ago, john. so it shows you what a monumental moment that was for members of both the republican and democratic party. you also have efforts to reform the post office, potentially passing in the senate next week. that already passed the house of representatives and there's an
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effort ramping up again to try and revolutionize and change the way that the electoral count act is initiated here on capitol hill. that is overseeing how you count the votes from fair and free elections. but i'm talking to lawmakers who say the hope right now is that democrats can change the conversation from what they have failed to do to what they can actually accomplish. and there's also a little bit of hope from some of joe manchin's colleagues that if they find a way to pass a couple bipartisan bills, maybe manchin would come back to the table on build back better. i asked manchin about that. he said i'm going forward and not looking backward. john? >> we'll see how that plays out. we had a year of that. lauren fox, appreciate the new reporting from the hill. let's bring it back with our great reporters. manu, are these things just becoming ripe now and that's why a bunch of bipartisan things happened or is this a bunch of bipartisan things that actually help people, important changes that could have been passed last year but were just held up because democrats were so busy debating and infighting over
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their agenda? >> the latter for the most part. that effort to try to pass build back better took all the oxygen out of the room. joe manchin was consumed with negotiations over that as were most democrats trying to get this together. so many meetings, so much effort going on and people only have so much time in the day. lawmakers who were only in town for a half the week and then on recess for several weeks and they don't have real negotiations until they have to sit down and talk. we are sitting down and talking about something that didn't go anywhere but things that could pass, go by the wayside. also a calculation in washington to try to do the harder stuff further away from an election year which means the first year of a new president and then the easier stuff or more politically charged messaging votes that won't actually pass. have that on the floor on an election year. it's following the formula and the formula here in washington is, you can't really walk and chew gum at the same time. >> which is why everybody watching out there gets
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frustrated because every american family has to do many things at once. especially in the middle of this pandemic with all the disruption in washington. it's one thing at a time. maybe if we do a few bipartisan things joe manchin will come around. joe manchin will be willing to come back to the table and pass not all, but some of the pieces of that social safety net plan. listen to senator manchin yesterday on the radio in west virginia. i'll take this as an "i told you so." >> i've been ringing the alarm bell forever. for the last year about inflation. nobody has been listening. now we're seeing a basic threat. it's a 7.5% tax on everybody. on every product you buy. it's just unbelievable. it's time for the federal reserve to tackle the issue head-on. >> so he says federal reserve should deal with this. he's made clear he's not interested in most of what was in build back better, reconciliation, whatever you want to call it. you had a conversation with the president's climate adviser the other day who believes she can get joe manchin on some of the climate stuff. is that one of the pieces? is it realistic? is that one of the pieces they think they can get through the
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senate? >> one of the pieces that -- for biden's goals of reducing emissions to even be met, the administration needs to see that realized. and so -- and it really only can be through this legislation. manchin has expressed some support for it, so the white house is still really hopeful that he can maybe come to the table on it. right now all indications, manu talks to him ever day. he keeps telling reporters, i'm not even negotiating on build back better and i asked gina mccarthy, have you spoken to manchin? she hasn't spoken to manchin but said conversations between the white house and him are continuing and they are talking about build back better, the elements of they think they can get him on. >> and senator manchin said i've been talking about inflation for a long time. president biden has been talking about inflation for a long time. in this interview with lester holt he gets -- you tell me the word after. lester holt reminds him he once said it would be transitory and
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the president has a wise crack. >> back in july you said inflation was going to be temporary. i think a lot of americans are wondering what your definition of temporary is. >> well, you are being a wise guy with me a little bit. i understand. that's your job. according to nobel laureates, 14 of them that contacted me and a number of corporate leaders, it ought to be able to taper off as we go through this year. >> not happy. he was reminded of what he said that turned out to be just simply not true. not even close. but that the optimism at the end there, the confidence, the nobel laureates, this is going to get better. that essentially is the defining question of the midterm election year, isn't it? >> it is. we call that ornery. the president gets a little ornery sometimes. but, no, i think that he obviously hopes that inflation goes down because his fate, the fate of democrats in the midterms is completely tied up in that, right? he doesn't have a whole lot of
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control over inflation. he can call on the fed to take action. but so he has to really just act like he's working -- not act but show that he's trying to do things, that he's trying to address the concerns that people have. but other than that, he has to hope that inflation comes down because you cannot message your way out of higher prices. if people feel they cannot go out and buy groceries have to spend all this money on gas and groceries, there's no messaging that's going to -- >> i talked to democratic senators up for re-election about this issue. whether they have confidence in the president's handling on this and virtually none of them said they did. they recognize this is going to be a central issue in their campaigns. that cnn poll said 55% of voters view this as extremely important to them as they vote this fall. the democrats recognize even though it's not clear exactly how they can actually deal with it on their own. >> it's that quote that the president is saying it's going to be transitory. not much a president can do. no president has the lever to
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if you happen to be buying a new home or doing significant repairs on your existing property, guess what? it will cost you more because of rising lumber prices.
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the old law of supply and demand. yes, but as cnn's bill weir explains, the supply side of the equation in this case, another giant impact of our climate crisis. >> reporter: if the definition of inflation is too many dollars chasing not enough goods, well, this is what happens when too many houses chase not enough wood. >> how would you characterize the price of lumber today? >> volatile. yeah, it is up and down. it got to the point we were just adding 20% to 30% just because and hopefully that would cover it. >> reporter: it's all they can talk about at the national association of home builders convention in orlando this week. starting with a sticker poll. >> one person said it's been about 75%. and at normal time if the cost of a building material were to increase by 75%, people would be coming unglued. but look what it is. most of them are 200% or more. >> reporter: there are a few reasons why, but the problem begins in the canadian rockies.
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these source of almost 1 in every 3 boards hammered into american homes and where a plague of beetles arrived with the power to kill 100,000 trees a day. so many, you could hear them over the phone. >> you could actually hear the beetles underneath the bark. i'm listening to my trees being killed. >> reporter: forest biologist janice cook studied the invasion of mountain pine beetles for decades. just wop effect of an overheating planet. >> warmer over winters and hotter, drier summers. we saw those populations not only rise to epidemic levels. but in some areas, what we call a hyperepidemic. >> reporter: mountain pine beet els attack a single tree like an invading army. the lodge pole pine pills its cracks with this sticky chemical compound we know as pitch. this turns out to be highly flammable. so in the end, if the beetles
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win, you have a 50-foot firestarter. beetle killed forest help accelerate those western megafires that all together 50 million acres have been lost up here, an area the size of minnesota. >> we have more than 30 mill closures in the interior of bc alone. mills are not running 24/7 anymore. >> reporter: in the meantime there's the 40-year-old trade war with the united states. based on an old formula, tariffs on canadian wood automatically doubled recently. joe biden could dial those back, but, like canada, he's also protecting more federal trees. especially the old growth stands in places like tongass national forest. >> the biden administration has cut back on the harvesting of timber on our federal lands for environmental purposes. and so we need more lumber from outside. the biden administration has not gone to the table to negotiate a
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long-term deal with canada. so once again, we've got to look somewhere else. in fact, we opened up discussions with the german government about bringing in more from germany. >> reporter: and more builders like john in winter park, florida, are finding lumber alternatives. by injecting the stackable foam molds with concrete. he says it creates walls 50% more energy efficient and 100% more fireproof. >> this seems to me, as we watch zoning regulations change in california due to wildfires, like an amazing solution. >> yeah, that doesn't burn. concrete won't burn. now in my mind there's no reason why this is not more prevalent in our country. >> why do you think it isn't? >> builders like to do what they always do. >> reporter: but the housing crisis is growing at the same time as the climate crisis. when science says we need all the mature forests, we can possibly save. >> this is the business case for
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considering our forests and our trees in our forest for their entire ecosystem services and not just the price of a 2x4. >> tariffs on canadian timber were actually higher under president trump and he dialed them back, so president biden has that option, but that only affects prices maybe 5% or 10% at the most. long term, experts say canada just can't fill the american appetite for new housing starts. and whether it is trees or avocados or coffee beans or chocolate, this is a reminder that when supply can't meet demand due to climate, climate inflation is the next step. bill weir, cnn, vancouver, british columbia. up next for us, a top state official in virginia now resigning after images emerge of her praising the january 6th riot. rience. ♪ i've been able to explore and learn a tremendousus amount
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republican thing to do. she wants you to know that because trump this week attacked her and endorsed a republican primary opponent. mace responded with a video taped outside the trump tower. >> i'm in front of trump tower today and in 2015 when president trump announced his run? i was one of his earliest supporters. i actually worked for the campaign in 2016. i worked in seven different states across the country to help get him elected. >> trump is mad at congresswoman mace now because she did blame him for the january 6th insurrection. she was the only republican from south carolina to vote to certify the 2020 election results. president biden today signing an executive order allowing $7 billion in frozen assets from afghanistan central bank to go to some of the victims of the 9/11 attacks. also half will go to humanitarian relief in afghanistan. those funds held here in the united states were frozen when the taliban took over running afghanistan. some sad news today. fox announcing today its former
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anchor and correspondent jim engel passed away this week. he was 75. he joined the network in 1996 as senior white house correspondent. i covered the white house starting in 1997 for cnn. it was a pleasure, an honor to work with jim. he's a texas native, a long career that included stints at cnn, abc and at npr. a good man. a very funny man. we will miss him. thanks for joining "inside politics" today. ana cabrera picks it up right now. hello. i'm ana cabrera in new york. a fierce standoff at the u.s./canadian border is dealing a blow to the already struggling economy. some officials are now prepared to use force to move protesters blocking key trade passages. ontario has now declared a state of emergency. a manufacturing ceo tells cnn the blockade is screwing up his words the lives of workers and consumers alike.


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