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to -- to taking a child who have cancer, life threatening cancer, and can't get treatment in kharkiv or in kyiv or in odesa and travel all across the country to try to get their child life saving treatment. and today we saw that same kind of determination and that strength through groups of moms here in lviv who have banded together to do whatever they can to -- to help in the fight against russia. in a volunteer center in lviv, moms whose husbands and children have taken up arms, gathered supplies for those fighting in the east. >> translator: we understand we need to hold strong. we have very strong faith. we believe that we will win, and this will hold us together. >> reporter: she works for a group called angel on your
shoulder. she's recruited women to pack boxes around the clock. >> nonstop, nonstop. >> reporter: everything is donated, medicine, toiletries, all kinds of food. you are looking for things that are easy to prepare for troops at the front or families. nothing stays here for long. the work is hard. the war is harder. angela's husband left for the front yesterday. >> my husband yesterday. >> reporter: he's a doctor, a veteran of the soviet war in afghanistan. >> does it help the work here to stay busy? >> translator: we are doing what we can. we keep on praying. people ask how you are not crying, but, you know, crying doesn't help. each person does what they can. >> reporter: angela is in the reserves as well, but for now she's taking care of her family and volunteering. thank you for your strength.
you give -- you give me and everybody strength. >> translator: thank you very much. >> reporter: in another building, more mothers, more volunteers making camouflage netting to hide tanks and artillery. >> it was not true. >> let me teach you. >> do you see? >> just like this. >> alina's son is already in the fight. what made you want to come here? >> translator: we need to protect our country. it is difficult to speak. my son is in the army since 2015. i didn't want to let him go, and he said, who will go if not me? how will i be able to say to people that i hid and sheltered? so, he left, and it was extremely difficult for me. >> reporter: many in this room have had to flee their homes in kharkiv and kyiv. they wonder when the bombs will fall here. if you could talk to mothers in
russia, what would you tell them? >> translator: i would tell them to take their sons back. we are also sorry for them. they are also human. human life was created by god. how can it be taken away just like that? they will be judged and face punishment for this. you cannot do this. let them take their kids. >> reporter: this war has many fronts. and for mothers, there are many ways to fight. >> we continue from ukraine. ahead, children's bedrooms, no match for russian fire power. these are the images vladimir putin does not want the world to see, the reality of what is happening here. matthew chance joins me live after witnessing the fallout for himself next. who said only this is good? and this is bad? i'm doing it my way. meet plenity. an fda -clcleared clinically proven weight mananagement aid for adults with a bmi of 25-40
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ambassador told the security council of the u.n. it is clear vladimir putin has, in her words, quote, a plan to terrorize and destroy ukraine. from the kremlin, vladimir putin proposed a ceasefire starting tomorrow, with a cruel twist, as clarissa ward reported earlier in the program. many of the safe corridors lead into belarus, where russian soldiers are, or russia itself. more now from cnn's matthew chance. >> reporter: clearing up the broken debris of a shattered home. this is the devastation caused by a russian attack on a residential neighborhood in a small ukrainian town. 50 miles south of the ukrainian capital is nowhere near the frontlines, but it has felt the
rage and the pain of this war. we've come inside one of the houses who was affected by what was apparently random artillery or rocket fire into this residential neighborhood. you can see just how -- just how shattered the lives of the family here were. look. the windows have all been blown out, obviously. all their belongings have been left behind as they've gone into hiding. there is a picture up there of what seems to be some of the people who lived here. it was a family and children. apparently they survived this, which is good. but of course when you look at the situation and the way russians have been shelling residential areas across the country, so many people haven't survived. this is -- come have a look. it's the bedroom.
you see over here. look, the bunk beds, the roof could have fell onto the top of them when it hit. and of course in the panic of evacuation, the kids have left all their toys up here. you know, it just shows you that no matter where you are in this country with russia attacking tanks and cities across it, lives are being shattered. this man is a close friend of the family who were nearly killed in their beds here, god fa father to the three children who escaped with their lives. now, he has one request he tells. united states, please close the sky skies over ukraine, he begs. if we can just contact nato and
ask him this, everything will be fine. otherwise, he warns, putin will cross ukraine and threaten the whole of europe. in a bunker under the tank, it's terrified children singing ukraine's national anthem that keeps them calm. as russia invades, a whole generation of ukrainians is being united by this war together as they shelter from the horrors above. >> matthew chance joins us from kyiv. the children's godfather asking for a no fly zone over ukraine. is that a common question you hear people talking about? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, it is in these areas, anderson, which have had heavy civilian -- you know, attacks on civilian areas because they know that nato has the power to stop this from happening. they can, you know, in theory, impose a no fly zone. so, there's a lot of frustration that you hear that that's not
happening, that nato isn't doing this, that the west isn't doing this to protect them. of course, you know, the argument that that would bring nato into direct contact with russian forces and risk a much wider conflict is unfortunately something that falls on deaf ears when your families and your children and your neighbors are being sort of hit from the skies like that. >> matthew chance, appreciate it. thank you. joining me now brigadier general zwack. also mark hertling. general hertling, images of the ongoing shelling, the pentagon estimating russia has roughly 100% of the forces amassed before the invasion are now inside ukraine itself. and yet in some places russian forces have struggled to surround major cities. what do you see as the -- what happens? where are we in this if the goal ultimately is to occupy cities
or control ukraine? do they -- they don't have enough forces for that. >> they do not, anderson. i've been saying that from the very beginning. they are woefully sort in terms of the number of forces. so, what they've reverted to and math you's reporting just now is an indicator of that. they revert to laying siege to the cities with artillery and missile strikes. so, the population leaves. and we've seen 1.7 million people ukraine already. as soon as the people leave the city centers, the russian troops had been used to rolling into the city with their tanks and armor saying, hey, we're here, we've secured the city and it belongs to russia, we've subjugated it. that's not happening here. the ukrainian defense forces are fighting back. russia is having an exceedingly tough time in moving forward. their logistics supplies have been intercepted. and they're just not executing
according to the plan that they thought they would have. they lost their paratroopers on the first day on the attack within kyiv because they did some really dumb things. and across the board, russia has not prepared either with a good maneuver approach or a logistical support approach to this campaign. so, what they are doing now is these terror strikes on cities using artillery and air. >> general zwack, from a military standpoint, what do you do after that? you strike terror, and then what? >> yes. tough question. because i think that the russian playbook is getting increasingly smaller and unimaginative. and it's exactly, as general hertling and you have been saying, it goes to brute force. there are -- the russian
military -- yes. it's powerful, and it's big. but it is not built for a fight like this across ukraine against probably several hundred thousand ukrainians who are armed in the field, whether direct resistance or out along the roads and in the forests. this is -- this is only going to get -- so, they're now amassing, and they're trying to finish it because time is not on their side and try to blast their way in front of the whole aghast world to try to get the ukrainians to submit. but after seeing president zelenskyy back -- back, if you will, in the presidential office today, which was the ultimate snub to the russians, i think it -- i think they're in -- the ukrainians are in it. it's gruesome that they're paying this price, that the russians are in deep trouble now.
>> general hertling, i mean, if you were ukrainians, what would you do? if you were a ukrainian general, what would you be doing with your army? >> exactly what they're doing, anderson. their maneuver and their approach to defending their cities, in my view, has been magnificent. we've shown all of the cable channels, especially cnn, have had great reporters in the cities showing the humanitarian crisis that's ongoing, the devastation, the terror attacks by russia. what they have not shown are some of the ukrainian forces beating the russians. and in fact they're beating them quite badly, not only the ukrainian army but also the territorial forces. they are standing up. they are deploying the kind of technological weapons that they have been given by the west, that have been shipped into the country. they are using the intelligence that has been provided to them to stop russia every turn. and truthfully, anderson, too,
russia is making repeated mistakes. there was a report today talking about how they have been communicating in unencrypted modes. another two-star general was killed today on the russian side. that's the second general in 12 days. the estimates of the losses by the urussian force -- you know, we have been seeing snippets, like the helicopter that was just blown up on the screen that occu occurred a couple of days ago. but there have been reported attacks, primarily their supply line. i don't think they can go much further. they are moving exceedingly slow. they have their entire force that was surrounding ukraine already inside the country, 190,000. and what they're meeting right now is the 250,000 ukrainian forces that are prepared to defend plus probably a cup
hundred thousand territorial defense soldiers as well. so, they are -- if this lasts much longer, i will be very surprised. i can't define what much longer is, but i think ukraine already has the upper hand. and i believe russia will culminate in the offense because they've reached the defense that's holding the ground. and even though we're seeing a lot of destruction in the cities from artillery and air, i think that battle will turn here shortly as well. that's a prediction. i hope i'm right. >> wow. that's really startling. let's see what happens. general hertling, thank you. general zwack, it's always fascinating to talk to both of you. coming up next, the white house wants to keep perspective on putin. russians desperately searching for answers on their loved ones fighting in yanes. they're asking for help from an unlikely source, the ukrainians themselves. we'll tell you about that ahead. yeah, you'll get used to it.
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well, it's been said by military and foreign policy experts almost from the beginning when a strategic launching the war has been for vladimir putin, what he knows best, inflicting cruelty on others. that notion was echoed today by u.n. ambassador linda thomas-greenfield. >> we have been warning moscow for weeks that in the end russia will be weaker and not stronger for launching this war. this is already proving true. the question is, how much devastation president putin is willing to wreck for this enormous mistake. >> well, the question now for the white house and european allies, how to keep the pressure on militarily and economically while also providing vladimir putin some sort of a way out and limiting the blowback on western economies and consumers. that's a lot. mj lee joins us from the white house.
given the administration's engaging countries like venezuela, saudi arabia, iran, is it clear where the president stands on that? >> anderson, we are seeing this idea of banning russian oil imports gaining real traction on capitol hill and here in washington. as far as where the president is on this, he is undecided. this is according to white house press secretary jen psaki. she said that he hasn't made a decision on this that she is able to share but that what he is doing is consulting with his european allies on this issue, including in this meeting he had just this morning with leaders of germany, france, and the uk. what the u.s. and the administration is doing as it is considering this ban is thinking about different ways of making sure that they are able to bolster the global energy supply and basically try to get more oil from other countries. and noticeably, this is why we have seen the administration in recent days engaging with
countries like venezuela, like saudi arabia, and iran on this issue. this is really interesting and notable because under normal circumstances -- so, i'm referring to before russian invasion of ukraine -- these are basically regimes that the u.s. administration would not have necessarily wanted to engage in on this issue, would have been at the very least wary of talking to these countries about getting more oil essentially from these regimes. but now that the circumstances are such that we could be seeing russian oil import ban, they want to make sure that there is enough oil so that the price that american consumers are paying here at a time when gas prices are already so high, that that can be minimized. i think all of this of course goes to show how much u.s. foreign policy has been offended and how sensitive the white house is right now to this as both an economic and a political issue, anderson. want to get perspective from william taylor, former u.s.
ambassador to ukraine. do you think a ban on u.s. oil would have much impact on putin's invasion? obviously europe gets a huge amount of their oil, particularly germany from russia. that's a whole other question. >> it is, anderson. you're exactly right. we don't get that much oil directly from the russians. however, prices are the same around the world. prices rise and fall around the world. so, if there is oil taken out of the market, oil prices are going to go up. it will affect us. it will affect the europeans. and if the russians are not getting the revenues from that oil and gas, that does affect them. that affects their ability to do two things. one is fund their military, which is already a major strain on their economy. but it also allows them to defend the ruble. the ruble, of course, has fallen off the table, based on these very tough sanctions that are affecting normal russians. and that has to have an effect
on president putin sooner or later. >> russia is now proposing that the ceasefire with certain humanitarian corridors, most which seem to lead to russia or belarus, is that just something to -- i don't know if it's a time killer, allowing them to just focus on, kind of, figuring out what to do on the ground there. are they just playing here? >> they're not serious. they must know that it's not serious to give humanitarian corridors to ukrainians to go into russia or even belarus. ukrainians, as your reporter versus done a great job of describing, they hate russia. and they will hate russia for generations. and they're not going to go on humanitarian corridors into -- into that place. so, that's -- that's not going to work. that said, there are con conversations, as we know going on -- a third round happened today on the border between
ukraine and belarus, where there's a serious ukraine delegation led by their leader of defense and president zelenskyy's political party. they're serious. they're willing to talk. it's not clear if russians are willing to talk. they sent a former minister of culture to those conversations. that said, there may be an opportunity, if president putin feels as pressured as he must feel for all kinds of reasons you've been describing, he can go to those. he can get serious about the negotiations. the first thing to get serious about is the ceasefire. they need to stop killing. they need to stop destroying. so, that could -- that could come out of these discussions. >> yeah, we did learn today that the ukrainian foreign minister will be meeting with his russian counterpart on thursday. obviously putin is the only one going to make decisions. but that seems like a higher level meeting than has taken place thus far. >> absolutely.
absolutely. and that's a good sign. there have been other signs that diplomatic efforts are being made. you know, we heard that the israeli prime minister was staying put. and president macron has had a couple of conversations. we have heard that maybe the chinese could get involved. the turks have invited the two foreign ministers for these conversations. what really needs to happen, exactly what you said, anderson. that is, putin has to decide. and he's got the opportunity to do that. and he may be hearing from these -- from these senior people who say to him that things are not going so well. he's probably not hearing that from his people. but he undoubtedly is hearing it from macron ask approximate the others who have talked to him. >> ambassador william taylor, really appreciate your experience. thank you. ukrainians have set up a hotline for families of russian soldiers who haven't heard from their loved ones who just want to know where they are and if they're alive.
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to know where their husbands and sons are, and if they're alive. some are reaching out to ukraine to find out. >> hello. is this where one can find out -- >> hello, do you have any information about my husband? >> reporter: these are the voices of russians, parents, wives, siblings desperately searching for answers, calling to find information, anything on russian soldiers they've lost contact with, who are fighting in ukraine, who may be wounded, captured, or even killed. >> reporter: this russian wife, like many others, has turned to an unlikely source for help, the
ukrainians. in the ukrainian government building, christina, which is her alias, is in charge of a hotline called come back from ukraine alive, which ukraine's interior ministry says has gotten over 6,000 calls. christina asks that we don't show her face. your country is being invaded, but you also feel the need to help these russian families. why? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: the russian relatives who have called this hotline say they haven't heard from their soldiers since the
invasion. the hotline, which russian families have found on social media or through word of mouth, gave cnn exclusive recordings of a number of the calls. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: what are some of the calls that stick out to you that you remember the most? [ speaking foreign language ] . >> reporter: these are the notes from one of the calls. and in fact, this call came from the united states, the relative of a young russian soldier
trying to find him. she told the ukrainians that his parents are no longer alive, that the grandmother in russia is quite sick. we have his birthday. he is just 23 years old, and he was last known to be in crimea right before the invasion. now, the ukrainians don't have any information on him, but if they do find him or get some information, they can then call his aunt back in united states. data from the hotline shows thousands of calls not just from all across russia but also from europe and united states. >> hello, is this -- >> yes, it is. >> reporter: we got through to three relatives who called the hotline, including a relative in virginia, of one who also found the soldier's id and photos on the channel of a social media app, telegram, also dedicated to finding the whereabouts of russian soldiers. >> we do realize that all the lines are pointing to that most
likely he is killed in action. but we are trying to obtain the information where his body that can be potentially found. >> the russian military defense telling anything to the family? >> not yet contacted by anybody. everyone is scared in russia. everyone is scared to talk. >> marina told us her cousin's parents have had no contact with him, no information on whereabouts, or on his condition. >> are they being told anything? >> no, no. they tried to find him. but, like, no one has answered. >> is that why you called this ukrainian hotline? >> yeah, that's why i tried to
call, yes. >> did you get any information? >> no, nothing. i was, you know, hoping that he is in prison or something like that, that he's still alive. >> reporter: the vast majority of the calls do not result in immediate information for the families. back in kyiv, christina makes clear that the call center isn't just designed to offer answers but to galvanize russians against the war. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: sympathy for families, but also one more way to try to undermine the russian war effort, as ukraine fights for its very existence. alex marquardt, cnn, kyiv. >> that's a fascinating report. up next, the ukrainians escaping to neighboring romania.
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miguel marquez is in the capital of bucharest tonight. miguel, how many ukrainian refugees are in romania tonight, and what kind of options do they have? >> reporter: well, look, about 260,000 or so have come through romania. many of them have already moved on. they're dealing with about 30,000 a day, and they expect that to increase. and it has gotten cold tonight, about 24 degrees right now. it is snowing. if they are lucky, they are staying in tents like that. but in places like moldova, there are even more refugees. there is one group desperate now to try to help them get here to romania. how many people are sitting in moldova tonight waiting for a ride west? >> there are tens of thousands, literally, tens of thousands of people that are waiting at the border. >> how much time do you have before this becomes an absolute crisis? >> two, three days, maybe by the end of the week, depending on -- on how putin decides to -- to
accelerate this. >> reporter: so, look, these train stations here in bucharest, in kyiv, in lviv, they have become lifelines like we haven't seen in a long time. but in that particular area, it is buses that will get them from there because there are no train services. they have about 6, 8, maybe 10 buses now. they need 30, 40, maybe 50 buses. the need is only going to grow as the russians move toward odesa, the third largest city in ukraine. anderson. >> yeah, and a country like moldova is so small, it doesn't have the facilities to deal with these huge numbers of refugees they're seeing. we mentioned the u.n. calls it unprecedented. how prepared is romania for more people? >> reporter: they are trying to gear up as quickly as possible. they're trying to build up a green corridor, so the paperwork
the refugees need when they hit moldova, they can then move more easily to all european countries. but it is a massive difficulty. as it goes on, the people are leaving very, very quickly. their homes are destroyed. they have very little money. they maybe sometimes have just the shirts on their back. when they come into this station, they have a bag or two, maybe a dog carrier or a cat carrier, the kids, and that's about it. it is extremely -- and getting more difficult to move these people from point a to point b. anderson? >> fascinating. cnn's miguel marquez. you were talking about this, by the way, miguel, there's tents in the train station. is that -- are people's homes open to -- in poland we've seen people with signs inviting people into their homes. it seems like there's only just a few tents there. where else do they stay? >> reporter: well, that's one area here, the train station.
there are several other refugee centers here, the train station and around town. but people are opening homes. universities are opening up dormitories. romania is trying to open up as much space as possible. most of the refugees move on from romania to other areas. but the numbers that are staying here is growing. and it's going to grow not just here but across european cities everywhere. anderson? >> yeah. miguel marquez, appreciate it. more from romania. if you want to help or just want more information on the group na miguel was reporting on, they're called funky citizens, pretty great name. you can go to their facebook page at facebook.com/funkycitizens. and they're basically trying to get donations to help refugees stuck in moldova to get a bus to take them. i think 80 people fit on one of their buses, take them to romania. and from there they can get on to poland and elsewhere. ahead, senator angus king tells
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♪ ♪ . senior u.s. official warns that russian forces are increasing bombardments in major ukrainian cities as russia claims to offer a new cease fire starting later tonight. on capitol hill a group of bipartisan house members is out with a bill that would ban russian imports. backers include angus king of maine. i spoke with senator king earlier this evening. he sits on the intelligence and armed services committees. senator king you see russia's continued bombardment of civilian targets. the pentagon says they have their combat power inside the borders of ukraine. how long do you think the ukrainian defense forces can withstand this onslaught? >> well, i think the other way
to put that question is how long can the russians maintain it because my understanding, anderson, and you're there on the ground is that they're running out of fuel, food, and morale that the russians aren't doing very well, and that even some of their soldiers are saying we didn't know that this was what we were being assigned to or being sent in to do. but this is a bad situation. i mean, you know, the old saying is if someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. and in chechnya 20 years ago, putin just carpet bombed civilians, and he may well do it this time because i think he's desperate that the military operation isn't going according to plan, and the longer it goes, the weaker the russian position becomes. >> this new, you know, cease fire proposal, if you can really call it that, would only open humanitarian corridors much of which would go into russian
controlled areas, into belarus, into russia. i mean, does that offer even in good faith? is it just a stunt from vladimir putin? ukrainians aren't likely to want to go into russia. >> calling it a stunt is a compliment. it's a cynical, outrageous, and it shows the depravity of this guy that he calls this a humanitarian corridor leading people into the arms of their enemy. it's a terrible proposal, and the fact that that's something that they put on the table shows how cynical they are about this process and what bad faith they're operating. >> i spoke to a republican congressman adam kinzinger last night. he's one of the few in congress who is proposing a no fly zone in ukraine. certainly he's aware of the dangers of it, the potential for
confrontation. the white house has obviously clearly rejected this. there's not an appetite among most european nations and nato nations. the congressman is arguing maybe even a no fly zone over western ukraine could have some value or even sort of air humanitarian corridors being created to fly supplies in. is that something you might think would work? >> well, supplies can get in now from the west, from moldova, romania, hungary and poland, and i think a no fly zone is dangerous because it would be viewed, i'm sure, as a significant escalation. now, if we keep supplying, which we are, anti-air craft missiles like the stinger or antiaircraft equipment like the stinger or other antiaircraft capabilities, that's a kind of no fly zone without get into a situation of either having nato or american planes shooting down russian planes. that's the danger, and, you
know, putin, as i say, is trapped, and i don't want to give him a pretext for widening this attack, and moving into poland. anderson, there's something behind all of this that really needs to be discussed, and that is that the russians have a much lower threshold for using nuclear weapons than anybody else in the world that i know of. they actually have a doctrine called escalate to deescalate. this has been their announced strategy for some years, and that means using tactical nuclear weapons if they're losing on the battlefield. and vladimir putin has made clear that this is something that he considers to be in his arsenal. >> senator angus king, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> yes, sir, good to be with you, anderson. thank you for your reporting. >> we'll be right back. so you c can have more succes tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪