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jackson's credentials impressive but will not commitment to supporting her. she wants to listen first at the hearings. she is one of three that did vote to confirm her to her position of the d.c. circuit court of appeals. thanks for your time today. hope to see you back here this time tomorrow. ana cabrera and anderson cooper pick up our coverage now. this is cnn breaking news. hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york. anderson cooper is in lviv, ukraine, following devastating breaking news. russia appears to be upping its attacks on innocent civilians. you are looking at a maternity and children's hospital. this is in the southern port of mariupol. ukrainian officials say it was just hit by several russian bombs. you can see what appears to be pregnant women laying there on the ground trying to escape. some of these images look almost
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apocalyptic. the walls, windows, ceilings, all blown out. you can see rubble everywhere. officials say there are a number of casualties. it's still unknown just how many right now. images from outside are no different. you can see some of the victims there leaving the hospital. ukraine's president zelenskyy says there are children trapped under the wreckage. he is once again calling on nato to establish a no-fly zone over ukraine. and take a look at this, a very large crater in the ground is raising even more questions about what kind of weapon could cause this kind of destruction. anderson? yeah, listen, a kill om terp kilometer away from a city administration building in mariupol have been identified by cnn as other locations hit by an apparent russian military
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strike. you can see it there, windows blown out and rubble scattered everywhere. the images are heartbreaking. streets and buildings reduced to almost nothing. we begin with cnn's scott mclean who is joining me here in lviv. what more do we know about the attacks? >> reporter: just look at the pictures. interest ukrainian authorities and the videos, the many videos coming from the scene, and ana described it as apocalyptic, you look at the crater in the ground. seven, eight meters, looks several meters deep as well. all of the windows are blown out. what really struck me as well what some of the people are saying in the video. one of them someone is saying, look, we're on maximum extend, whatever cars you have, send here, referring to emergency vehicles. in another someone is asking where the wounded kids from the maternity hospital need to be taken, which hospital. obviously they're at the
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hospital already. you don't expect to have to go to another place. and, remember, mariupol is a city that's essentially been cut off from the rest of the country and by this military encirclement it is really difficult to get supplies in and out, humanitarian corridors have failed in recent days, and so it is difficult to think of a more miserable place on planet earth, a place you don't have power, heat, cell phone signal, the least of their worries, and now this. >> reporter: we've seen a number of hospitals throughout ukraine essentially telling their child patients if they can get out, go somewhere else, head further west to a place like lviv. kids with cancer being told from the hospitals in kyiv, kharkiv, moms just taking their children out of the cancer wards trying to get them here and then on ward to poland for better treatment. >> reporter: to be honest with you, it's not that easy even to get further to the west. we speak to people who say it takes several days for them to
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get across the country, drive from kharkiv to lviv, something you could normally do under 24 hours all of a sudden taking four days because the sheer number of checkpoints, maybe there's damage to the street. you have to go around certain areas. it's taking an enormous amount of time. the trains are not much better either. it can take you several days to get across. >> reporter: there aren't ambulances to evacuate kids from hospitals for the most part. most of the kids in the cancer ward here in lviv i've talked to their parents, they had to get on buses, get on trains just like everybody else. i want to bring in sam kiley joining us from southern ukraine. sam, i understand you are with refugees -- you were there earlier today. there were reports of russian troops blocking these agreed to evacuation corridors. what's the latest on that? >> reporter: anderson, behind me
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here we just have a bus that literally pulled in this second as you were coming to me, it has come from a town next to that power station seized about a week ago by russian troops in the first-ever attack on a nuclear power station. these people have been desperate to get out and this is only one of two really successful evacuations, at least in the east of the country. a relatively small number of people. there are more buses that have arrived in the last half hour or so, eight or ten buses here, anderson. we're told about 700 people. some people are standing behind even though it has fallen under occupation. this was a touch-and-go process because they were able to leave the town and then they got about two-thirds of the way in and were held up by another -- in another town where the russians were present. it was a long period of
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negotiations, very touch and go, and then they hit the road again arriving here after curfew. now these are mostly kids and women are going to be processed, registered and then will be put on more modern buses and taken into zaporizhzhia, we're just on the outskirts of zaporizhzhia, 25, 30 miles from the closest russian troops. people very frightened indeed, but very, very relieved after what they've heard and seen on their social media about what has happened recently today, indeed, with the systemic attack on mariupol maternity hospital. but people here, anderson, aric arriving exhausted. the nuclear power station has been a source of constant worry to them over the last couple of days. we've heard from the international atomic energy authority who said they've lost contact in all but the slightest communications over cellular networks with the workers there,
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the ukrainians have alleged that the workers in the control room effectively keeping the lid on nuclear reactors, six of them. they have lost communication with their people. they claim, we don't have independent verification, the workers in the power station are being tortured and at the same time, of course, the ukrainians also saying they've lost connections and contact to the workers in chernobyl where there are concerns the electrical power has been cut there. that's an allegation being made by the ukrainians. we don't have independent confirmation that have chernobyl aspect. these people have come from a town that sits next door to a nuclear power station taken over by armed men. some of these people, no doubt, were part of a group of civilians who actually stood on the road for two or three days protesting -- protesting and protecting that nuclear power station from russian troops as they came forward, completely unarmed. and then there was a fight at least two ukrainian soldiers were killed in that battle
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before they said there was a surrender and now the russians are in charge. anderson? >> sam kiley, appreciate that. and, scott, on mariupol, again, when we see these images from this children's hospital, what happens to people, anybody who is wounded or injured,that hospital? where do they go in mariupol? >> reporter: to the next closest hospital. it's unclear what sort of resources they have, water, checkpoints, blockades. this city hasn't been hit by anything, and you can imagine how difficult it's going to be to navigate to some sort of other hospital and even in the videos that i mentioned earlier they're asking where should we send people? it's not like this is something we see every day. >> it is horrific. we'll continue to follow that situation. ana, back to you. >> it's all so awful. retired army lieutenant
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general hertling, the commanding general of europe in the 7th army and phil mudd, fbi senior intelligence adviser and a cia counterintelligence official. this seems targeted and intentional. does this change the calculus for nato and the u.s. perhaps when it comes to resisting a no-fly zone or other direct mihm tear involvement? >> i don't think it does yet, ana. this is something that's the red line. we've talked about the issue of the no-fly zone and the prevention of these kinds of things. this is the russian way of war. they will continue to do this. and what we don't know in terms of this targeting of the hospital, of a university all in mariupol, was it an aircraft that dropped 1,000-pound bomb? that's what the crater looks like to me, or could it have been a missile or any other kind of artillery piece.
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the problem is this so the russian way of war and it is purposeful in terms of not only terrorizing the civilian population but it also requires manpower to solve these issues. it creates chaos but it also takes transportation and it causes the people to say we've got to get out of here. so as they're talking about moving out of the area, increasing the refugee flow, we're right now at about 2 million plus refugees. that could easily spike to 3 million, 4 million, 5 million by the weekend. when you have that many people running away from a battle site it requires transportation, medical aid, military police or policemen to sort the convoy. all of those things take away from the military force countering the russian advances. so this is planned. it's deliberate. it's to cause terror but it's also to take manpower away from the insurgency or the uprising
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by ukraine. >> it's clearly not fighting fairly. this is so inhumane. phil, are you surprised -- >> it's more than not fighting fairly, ana. it is a war crime. >> yes. >> you are specifically targeting civilians, civilian buildings, civilian areas -- >> exactly. >> -- where there's no military advantage to this. >> exactly. >> that is the unique definition. >> let me ask you, phil, about the psychology here because are you surprised that russian fighters are willing to do this? are they just following orders from putin blindly? >> i think there's two characteristics. what you do in a closed circle on the ground, sitting among your partners saying we were ordered to do this as you're talking about. these people are enemies of us. when you get in a closed circle, whether it's the people i've
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faced, al qaeda, the russians, you get into a psychology that says what we're doing is right and nobody can penetrate that psychology. the leadership that you trust and respect is telling you that is right. i'm not saying that every 18 or 19-year-old hasn't thought through the moral dimensions of this. i'm saying when you look at the psychology of a person like that, it is not hard to understand how somebody who does not get outside information has been taught to understand by their peers and by their leadership what you're doing is okay. you must proceed. this is horrific, but the psychology is not hard to understand, ana. >> stay with me. vice president kamala harris -- just a second, general. i want to come back to you but want to get in some other news and reporting. we know the vice president is on her way to poland right now. the stakes for this trip are even higher, of course, after the u.s. was caught off guard by poland's offer to transfer mig-29 fighter jets to a u.s. air base in germany for the
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united states to then be the ones responsible for delivering it to ukraine. now the pentagon wanted poland initially to make the delivery itself, rejected poland's proposal, so the u.s. is also bolstering poland's defenses by sending two patriot missile batteries to that ally. the u.s. has scrambled to increase its readiness in the region, has repositioned nearly 15,000 military personnel in response to the russian invasion. the total number of u.s. troops in europe is now expected to reach 100,000 and nato says it has 130 jets on high alert, more than 200 ships from the mediterranean to the high north. germany announced it will not send fighter jets. so, general, i know i just put out a lot there in terms of the military positioning but on this issue of air support for the ukrainians is the window of opportunity closing to send ukraine that help? >> ana, i want to go back again
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to what you're talking about. the majority of these strikes are being conducted by artillery and missile strikes. it is not an issue of air-to-air fighting. there is certainly some close air support by the russians, but the ukrainian air force is actually very competitive with the russians. so everyone keeps throwing out the no-fly zone. this is an artillery duel, a long-range strike from missiles and rockets and artillery. and what phil said about the psychological effects of this, the young military members who are pulling the triggers, pulling the lanyards to these devices are anywhere from 17 miles to 500 miles away. they don't see the physical effects of these things hitting the ground. they don't have the psychological input. they are being told by their commanders, fire this missile. fire this rocket. fire this artillery piece. so a no-fly zone is not a
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panacea to stop this kind of bombing. russia has done this before in many other places, specifically in syria. the ministry of health of ukraine last night said they have had 61 hospitals hit. that is doubled and tripled in places like syria they have been. this is the russian way of war and they have to be stopped and the only way to do that is to designate internationally mr. putin is a war criminal because that is what he is. >> phil, the director of national intelligence said yesterday they believe putin will escalate because, quote, putin feels aggrieved they do not give him deference and this is a war he cannot afford to lose. what does that tell you about putin's motivation? >> not a lot. look, the intelligence guys have to give you an estimate of what they think putin is thinking but to analyze what someone thinks when you're thousands of miles away, you don't have face-to-face access and what
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that person might think changes day-to-day is pretty speculative. let me give you two pieces of intelligence. two weeks ago you're looking at tanks, armored personnel carriers. you can look at that. you can count it, analyze it, get factual. let me contrast that with looking at a foreign leader from thousands of miles away who may be talking to different advisers every day and changing how he thinks and assessing what he might do in a week or a month. look, i think they're right, but whether he decides in a week or a month this is still worth it, i wouldn't bank on that. that is intelligence that has to be done, but, ana that is speculative. >> general, i want to end this conversation with some images and what strikes me about these pictures you are about to see are the many hats ukrainian fighters are having to wear right now. on one hand they're tasked with killing the enemy, and then they're playing the role of protector and comforter and guardian. can you just speak to that duality?
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>> i certainly can because i've seen it in my career with u.s. forces, ana, but it gets back to the point of what i was talking about that these humanitarian issues are balanced with the combat issues. these soldiers, these ukrainian soldiers, have gone through an evolution in the last 20 years. they now have an extremely professional force. how do i know that? i worked with them. i saw the change over a 20-year period in ukraine's army. they are more like a western army now than the russian army that's invading them. they understand the humanity that's involved. what a soldier is supposed to do in terms of defending their homeland and defending the people of their homeland, that russian side is just destroying and killing and attempting to undercut an entire society and its culture. but, i keep going back to the point, you now have soldiers trying to play various roles. they have to make a choice between fighting the enemy and
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taking care of the 2 million, 3 million refugees that are scurrying out of their towns because of the terrorist attacks that russia is executing. that's where it starts getting tough. and just like russia doesn't have a whole lot of manpower to actually occupy these cities, they're going to continue to bombard them from afar, so ukrainian forces have to make that decision between fighting the russians' territorial defense and solving the humanitarian crisis that putin has distributed to this nation. that's the tough call for commanders on the field. >> great to have you both. thank you very much for your analysis. how do you have diplomatic talks with a country that is bombing your people? ukraine and russia are set to hold another round of talks tomorrow, but is there any hope that russia is closer to stopping this brutality? we'll discuss with the former foreign minister of russia. plus, separating fact from fiction on the soaring price of
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round four of talks between russian and ukrainian diplomats is set tomorrow. the first three haven't stopped the violence. never joining nato or acknowledging crimea are nonstarters for ukraine. i guess what was perceived as the one thing accomplished in the previous talks for humanitarian corridors to evacuate civilians isn't working out as agreed. ukrainians say russian soldiers have blocked a large convoy of evacuees near kyiv today. joining us now is the former russian foreign minister who
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served under boris yeltsin. thanks for taking the time. i don't understand. why wouldn't russia be honoring this humanitarian agreement, and what's the point of holding these talks if russia is not going to hold up their end of the deal? >> russia is not honoring [ inaudible ], guaranteeing the civilian territorial integrity. guar guaranteeing from russia and [ inaudible ] honor evacuations. and now, unfortunately --
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this government has proven to be absolutely unreliable. i understand that ukrainians -- try, yes, you have to try. i am sure zelenskyy is a brave leader, a strong leader. >> mr. foreign minister, forgive me for interrupting. we're having a really hard time understanding because your signal is not strong and so there's a lot of breaks in the conversation. let's work to try to see if we can resolve the technical issues. foreign minister, i appreciate your time. i hope we can reconnect. meantime, two weeks into this war, 2 million people have fled ukraine and that number is set to go even higher. cnn's mi guel marquez in romani,
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i'm anderson coop earp in lviv, ukraine. a ceasefire to allow civilians to escape through a humanitarian corridor will end. officials say russian troops have blocked a humanitarian convoy from some kyiv suburbs. other routes, however, like this one in irpin seem to be moving, as you can see a number of people leaving are elderly with exhaustion and fear written on their faces. they have already been through bombardments now for days. the u.n. reports more than 2.1 million people have fled ukraine since the russian invasion began, a startling number in such a short period of time. one of the countries opening its doors to refugees is romania. in bucharest, miguel, how are
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they preparing it looks like a very large space there. >> reporter: this is the largest space that you will find in bucharest and they are preparing and how this is playing out. started sending this up in the last 24, 48 hours or so. they have tons of supplies that are being donated there. there's a kitchen, cars and vans are coming in to bring more food and water and clothing and blankets and everything they need. the three levels of this convention center, this massive domed center now have cots on them and they are starting to set up and prepare, they have areas for babies. they have areas for mothers that have children, a bit more
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privacy. and as you are seeing that indiscriminate force being used in ukraine, the people they are starting to see here, tens of thousands they are dealing with every day, the people they are starting to see here are in greater need than ever. they have few clothes, sometimes don't have documents, they don't have any money. the director, the person running this refugee effort here tells us what they need. >> as far as we know the people coming here are only in transit. a few of them remain in romania. the rest are going through eastern countries. we don't know how many people will come so we need to be prepared. >> reporter: what is always most stressful in life is not knowing what the future holds and that is the case not only in ukraine, which is on a massive level, but here in romania.
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people are worried. people are afraid. they're not sure how far the russians are going to go and they are signing up for more passports in romania in the event the war comes here and they have to get out of here. lines for gas stations are starting to grow in romania. great fear, great concern everywhere. right now they are preparing for up to 2,000 more refugees. this center could open as soon as tomorrow. anderson? >> miguel, important to emphasize what the relief worker was saying. unlike in poland, people staying in people's homes in poland, this is viewed as a transit hub. they will stay there and get themselves together. this must push on.
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>> reporter: now that people are being affected by this are poor, they don't have documents or papers, they may have to stay here longer. 234,000 have left. and they're not sure. they don't know how many in the days and weeks ahead are going to end up having to stay in romania for days, weeks, months, even years. anderson? >> miguel marquez, so much unknown. the krem llin and russians are feeling economic pain. the number of western countries suspending operations is growing practically by the minute. so is the pressure on the ones that have not pulled back yet and the eu hit russian oligarchs and politicians with a fourth round of sanctions. details ahead.
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about who or what is responsible. so let's cut through the clutter. first, it's critical to understand that no one person or entity is in control of the price of gas. it's tethered to the price of oil controlled by a variety factors including supply from opec and non-opec countries, demand, trade, the financial markets. now let's get to some of the false claims that are circulating including one that oil production here in the united states is somehow down. that's not true. the reality is the u.s. oil production is actually up from 2020 and as you can see here in trump's first year of office the u.s. was producing 9.3 million barrels of oil per day. now the u.s. is forecast to produce 12 million barrels per day and the experts say that production is on track to hit a new record next year. another claim going around is that the united states is too dependent on foreign oil but in reality the u.s. actually
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produces much more oil than it imports. last year the u.s. produced more than 11 million barrels of crude oil per day. and while importing around just 6 million per day. for the last couple of years the united states has been the world's top oil producer. topping saudi arabia, russia, canada, and china. a third claim is that the keystone pipeline that had it been approved would help lower prices today. the reality here is that's up for debate but unlikely. the keystone xl pipeline would have been an extension of a currently operating pipeline that would have acted as a shortcut, taking from canada to nebraska, from there an exist ing pipeline would go to the gulf coast moving about 830,000 barrels of oil out of canada every day. and while it wouldn't have been u.s.-owned oil, proponents of the pipeline argue buying more
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oil from canada is preferable to, say, well, today for instance, russia. keep in mind the xl pipeline wasn't expected to be operational until next year at the earliest. let's discuss more now and i want to bring in the global head of energy analysis that the oil price information service. tom, thank you so much for joining us. the facts are there. the u.s. is the number one oil producer in the world, produces more than it imports. is there anything more the u.s. can be doing to lower gas prices right now? >> i think there's more that can be done and probably from the oil and gas companies, and you really have a situation between the oil and gas companies and the biden administration, like the crips and the bloods. the oil and gas companies have not made investments or haven't exploited a lot of oil shale
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because they want to reward their investors by buying back more shares or shoring up their balance sheets, but the reality is nothing the president has done has really stopped it. now the biden administration's rhetoric suggests they would like to get us off fossil fuels at some point in the next decade or so and oil and gas companies aren't necessarily exploiting the assets because of that. but let me tell you with these prices and having a rendezvous with $120 or so, it's going to be very seductive, and we're going to see more crude oil coming out west texas, north dakota and new mexico, and as long as we don't start a war with canada we'll be getting 4 million barrels a day of canadian oil regardless of whether the keystone pipeline xl is restarted or not. >> a potential sign of good news today oil prices tumbling double digits after the uae's ambassador told washington they are in fafvor of increasing
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production. what do you think of this? >> that's a surprise. when you look for a culprit of high prices, one is the opec-plus alliance that was formed after oil went negative in april of 2020. i mean, you have the opec countries plus russia in there with kazakhstan and others and they have had the discipline of a gymnast, and usually through the years they've had the discipline of charlie sheen, so they have not released the oil that they are capable of releasing. there's an argument that can be made if we lose russian oil we can't replace it quickly. but the estimates of how much russian oil is not getting to market right now are very vast. it's maybe 1 million, maybe 2 million, maybe 3 million or 4 million. so if the uae can round up some more oil from opec plus countries that will help as long as more drilling here and, you know, one other thing i would mention, ana, the last three
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days have seen kind of some tank topping by the american public and maybe the biggest demands we've seen since last summer. so things will calm down a limb bit. we were headed toward higher prices this year regardless of what was going to happen in ukraine and that's because we've retired some refining assets and, again, it was very conservative in the oil patch in terms of drilling and extracting the oil. >> tom kloza, i appreciate your insights. thank you for joining us. >> thanks, ana. >> the european union has now levied a fourth round of sanctions on russia, widening the scope of those affected. the european commission president outlined the new targets on twitter and they include 160 oligarchs and russian federation councilmembers, three belarusian banks, the export of krecrypto assets. hunting down the belongings of
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oligarchs and their search has led them to a mystery docked in a tuscan port. a super yacht valued at $700 million is shrouded in secrecy with no publicly listed owner. onboard there are two helicopter decks, a fully equipped gym, a gold-plated fixtures in the bathrooms. it sparked some speculation that it's russian owned, maybe even putin himself. the italian financial police have opened an inquiry and the ship's captain has handed over documents revealing the owner's identity. some ukrainians are afraid to use their phones because what if -- what if they get that call updating them on their loved one fighting in this war? >> excuse me, i can't talk, he says. i'm waiting for my son.
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right now, the fight to flee ukraine is difficult. even for young, healthy ukrainians. long waits, walks, and freezing temperatures. the sound of shelling all around them and uncertainty if their loved ones are still alive. but for some, getting out of harm's way is impossible without help. clarissa ward is with some of the refugees. >> incredibly, they emerge. some still standing. some too weak to walk after more than a week under heavy bombardment in the kyiv suburb. volunteers help them carry their
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bags the final few feet to relative safety. there are tearful reunions as relatives feared dead finally appear after days of no contact with the outside world. many are still looking for their loved ones. soldiers help where they can. for elisa, it is an agonizing wait. her son has been pinned down in the hotel. we wait, we hope, we pray, they tell me. this is the grief of all mothers, of all people, she says. this is a tragedy. every time the phone rings, there's a scramble. anticipation that it could be their son's voice on the line. this time, it's not. excuse me, i can't talk, she says. i'm waiting for my son.
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they are not the only ones waiting. these residents of a nursing home were among the last to be evacuated. they have been sitting here now for hours. confused and disorientated, many don't know where they are going. volunteers get them back to wait for the next bus. valentina is frightened after days of shelling. i want to lie down, she says. please help me. but for now, there is no place to lie down. the women are shepherded on to a bus. their arduous journey not over yet. the wait is finally over. their son is alive. >> the only words you can tell
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through the phone, like mom, i'm alive. and that's it. >> i'm the happiest mother in the world right now, she says. my son is with me. but not every mother here is so lucky and for many, the wait continues. clarissa ward, cnn, kyiv. >> that does it for me. thank you for being with us. i'll see you back here tomorrow. in the meantime, i want to leave you with this scene in kyiv today. the city's classic symphony orchestra playing ukraine's national anthem. ♪ always look for the grown in idaho seal.
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