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you're here. >> it will be a fascinating debate starting today through the election. cnn+ is here. stay informed. live news, stream exclusive films and original series and you can participate in interactive interviews. big newsmakers. learn more at thanks for your time. try in these troubled times to have a good weekend. listen to our podcast. download "inside politics" wherever you get your podcasts. ana cabrera and don lemon pick up your coverage right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello and welcome to our breaking news coverage. i'm ana cabrera in new york. don lemon is in lviv, ukraine. we begin with what appears to be a major development in russia's unprovoked war on ukraine. look at the top right of your screen. these are attack helicopters targeting a fuel depot in belgorod, russia. that's a city that's served as a logistical hub for this
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invasion. russia is accusing ukraine of this attack. ukraine will neither confirm nor deny, although there's a report that ukraine's top security official is denying it. here's another view of the massive inferno. some 3.5 million gallons of fuel going up in flames and smoke. if ukraine carried out this attack, it could be the first known strike on russian soil and would expose a shocking level of russian vulnerability. >> and the kremlin says the attack would hamper today's negotiations. a rich warning given russia's relentless bombardment of a sovereign nation. here in ukraine, president zelenskyy says he has removed two top generals, stripping them of their rank saying there is no, quote, time to deal with the traitors. want to get straight to phil black with the latest. as we have the air raid sirens going off here, we'll continue on as we do that. this air strike on this fuel depot, why not celebrate this as a military victory? >> it's a good question, don.
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there is no obvious clear answer. it's possible that they want to maintain this ambiguity to conceal some sort of capability, perhaps, but the closest thing i can compare it to in the course of ukraine's operation so far would be the destruction of a russian naval ship. this was an operation that ukraine carried out about a week or so ago. they destroyed a russian naval ship while it was docked in a russian-controlled city. on that occasion, though, ukraine did accept responsibility. what they didn't reveal was how they did it. on this occasion, they're being more ambiguous and saying we can neither confirm nor deny it. >> phil black, thank you. ana, back to you. we'll check on this information and be back here. >> the russian attacks continue to be unrelenting in different parts of ukraine. perhaps nowhere is the devastation worse than the southeastern port city of mariupol. an estimated 90% of the buildings there are damaged. and tens of thousands of people are trapped. just a few minutes ago we
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learned a red cross team that was trying to head into that city to help with evacuations has had to turn back. this is a separate team than another one that did manage to get a few people out. i spoke to mariupol's deputy mayor about the humanitarian crisis that grows worse by the hour. i'm so sorry again for what you are going through. first of all, how are you holding up? >> so we, of course, very sad with the situation with our city. the city is totally destroyed. city is like ruins. and we -- we're upset, not because of infrastructure but because of people. so we do not know how to help our citizens who are suffering inside the city because, as you
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know, russia does not allow to solve any humanitarian issue to transfer any humanitarian help and to make -- of our citizens for many days. >> i've been praying for good news for you, for your city. we reported the red cross had sent in a team to try to bring aid and safely evacuate people from your city. what happened? were people able to evacuate? >> once again, i want to clarify, there is no solution to reach mariupol, either humanitarian help, either citizens. what we are talking about -- we are talking on the red cross help under the umbrella, we are talking about creating mariupol citizens who are in berdyansk, who reached mariupol, who reached berdyansk themselves either by working, in their private cars.
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a lot of mariupol citizens made evacuation themselves and it's about 30 to 50,000 mariupol citizens are in berdyansk and nearest villages at the moment. so this mission helps us and made possible to evacuate mariupol citizens from mariupol to zaporizhzhia. it's very good. it's absolutely necessary. people want to be -- and this day we created 45 buses. it is about 2,531 mariupol citizens and among them is 710 children. they are on the way to zaporizhzhia. >> and yet there are still, my last understanding was at least tens of thousands of people left in the city, trapped in the city. how are they doing? how are they even able to survive if no aid is getting in?
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>> it's -- i cannot even describe in words how life looks like in mariupol, but i will tell with such information, all our citizens who have the ability to reach zaporizhzhia for several days, they even cannot eat. just common for us to have three dishes, but three dishes per week. so we eat on monday, tuesday and friday. so we cannot even eat a lot. and all people who reached zaporizhzhia, so they are -- food is one-third to one-fourth of adult person. so it's their situation which describes how they survive in mariupol. so this number of citizens and our estimation is 150,000 citizens is still in mariupol. they are -- all of them are
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leaving under ground in shelter, bomb shelter in some spaces below so just to have this ability to survive, not to be killed by air strikes, by missiles, by shelling. and they are sharing some food with each other so it's typical food for a day is glass of water with two -- one or two cakes, one glass of soup in afternoon and also one glass of water and one cake in the evening. so it's common for all our citizens. it's a real situation in mariupol. >> what can you tell us about the reports we heard earlier that russians were forcibly taking residents, including children, from mariupol into russia. what exactly is happening? >> it's absolutely true. in the mariupol territory, i mean mostly outskirts which
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russia temporarily occupies. they force people to evacuate from here and to even make deportation. >> what we've heard from president zelenskyy is that children have been removed. are those children with their parents and do you know then, you know, what the plans are for them? >> we know that some children -- for example, we know in donetsk, in hospital, there are up to 2,000 children and you should understand that it's children -- their parents were killed by russian or they were separated somehow. because before the war, before 24th of february, we didn't evacuate children without parents. so we did not have children
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without parents. so if they find somehow 2,000 children without parents, how it's possible? so it's either their parents were killed by russian, either they separated them in filtration. so only two answers could be. >> mariupol deputy mayor, sergei orlove, thank you for taking the time. our hearts are with you and sending you strength and energy to get through this. >> yeah, thank you. ana, we have a lot to unpack this hour. joining me now, cnn national security analyst sean turner, former director of communications for the u.s. national intelligence, and retired u.s. army brigadier general steve anderson. hello to both of you. general, let's begin with the attack on the russian fuel depot. 3.5 million gallons of fuel lost. but assuming it's ukraine, is the strategic blow to russia much greater than that? >> it is a significant strategic
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event for russia. it's hugely significant. obviously, it could be. first, we need to confirm it's not a false flag because it could be. could contribute to the narrative that vladimir putin is trying to paint that ukraine is the aggressor. but, of course, it also shows the vulnerability of the russian air defense. i'm not sure that's a good look for vladimir putin either. but if ukraine did this, it's operationally somewhat significant. any time you can take out enemy logistics, that's a good thing. but fuel production and storage isn't an issue for russia. it's the distribution. getting it the last half a mile. the operational impact this could create is now russia has to divert some air defenses internally within russia to cover down some of the logistics spaces they previously thought were out of range from the ukrainians. but again, strategically, taking it to the russians, showing they don't have complete air superiority. now you are providing direct evidence to the russians that
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the war is going poorly and, of course, that's without the filter of russian state media. so, therefore, i would not be surprised if ukrainians actually did this. >> yeah. sean, you heard the brigadier general. can russia seize on the attack to support its narrative? laughable that it may be, that ukraine is the true aggressor in this war? >> yeah, look, i think the general makes a great point, don. we just have to remember that no matter what russia does, this whole idea that russia is losing this battle, losing this fight is going to continue to have an implication for troops on the ground. they'll continue to struggle with morale. their ability to get resources. weapons, repair their gear. as the general said, what russia wants to do more than anything is not only focus on the kinetic. we know how important that is. but we've seen repeatedly that russia is very interested in focusing on the information war. and so if russia is in a position to paint the ukrainians
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as the aggressor, and it matters that this attack was inside of russia. this is a little different from the attack on the ship. this was inside russia. if this is held up as an opportunity for russia to paint ukraine as the aggressor, that's going to matter to the international community. it's going to matter more than the propaganda that we see coming out of russia. russia has been saying for quite some time that ukraine has been an aggressor and is the cause of this conflict. but this is something that we all see. we see the images. a massive explosion. the russians are saying it's ukraine. ukraine is saying we're not going to confirm or deny which is smart on their part but this is something that the russians will be watching and if the russians can determine that this, in any way, changes the narrative just a little bit, then we'll see more of this with regard to, you know, ukraine's actions being painted as aggression toward russia. >> what about the idea, though, shawn, of this as a false flag
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operation actually committed by russia? >> yeah, you know, i think it's a possibility. as the general said, we know that this is the kind of thing that russia has done and will do. this is sort of russian trade craft when they're desperate. we know vladimir putin is desperate right now. but i think that this is the kind of thing that's doable. it's just a matter of time before we're able to determine whether this really did happen. but to be really candid, don, i think that zelenskyy and the ukrainian troops have their hands full inside ukraine right now trying to defend their territory against russian aggression. i think that, you know, just -- again, we don't know the facts. but if i were assessing this, i would have to look hard at this and i would need to see some really clear intelligence evidence that the ukrainians made a decision to go across the border and launch this strike. i think strategically as the general said, it does give some
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advantage here, but i think that the resources, their effort is better focused inside ukraine. >> general, the ukrainian president, speaking of zelenskyy. he says he fired two top generals. what do you make of that? >> don, i think this is really important. dissension in the ranks within ukraine army, it's not a new thing. loyalty to mother russia, the old soviet regime has been something that ukrainians have been dealing with for three decades. it's not surprising that there's some senior leaders that have mixed loyalties. because many of these leaders grew up in the soviet era and perhaps even share putin's desire to restore the russian bloc and russian empire. but i think this is profoundly important because it shows zelenskyy's internal political st strength. first of all, that he could identify these disloyal leaders and that he'd take appropriate action against them. it shows transparency. and that's really important. it sends a powerful message to
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the ukrainian people, to the rest of the world, that he is willing to share bad news, you know, because war is like that. and the fog of war and all that, there's going to be bad news. but he is not sugar coating it. he's willing to share bad news and he wants to make sure that he can do that and build credibility, ensure that he maintains the support of u.s. and nato and the rest of the world in this illegal war against this country. >> shawn turner and brigadier general steve anderson, thank you. ana? >> the u.n.'s top nuclear watchdog is racing in to chernobyl after russian troops occupying that disaster site seemed to bolt out. were they exposed to radiation? just how much? a top chernobyl expert joins us next. plus, today's jobs report shows more proof of a recovery. but it is the other "r" word that has some experts worried. recession. what goes on it... usually.
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the united nations' nuclear watchdog is leading a mission to chernobyl amid reports that russian troops who invaded that site are now suffering from radiation poisoning. ukraine's nuclear operator says russian forces have now abandoned chernobyl, marching into columns north toward belarus. but not before receiving, quote, significant doses of radiation. the site director says russians not only created thick and potentially radioactive dust driving their vehicles around this area, but also dug trenches in what's known as the red forest. that's the most contaminated part of the entire exclusion zone from the worst nuclear disaster in history.
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dr. lydia zablonska is a leading expert on radiation exposure and also grew up in ukraine. she's visited chernobyl and led studies on the nuclear fallout there. doctor, so grateful to have your expertise today. russian troops were in control of chernobyl for five weeks, reportedly creating and breathing in dust clouds and digging in the soil in the red forest. in layman's terms, how much radiation may these soldiers have been exposed to? >> thank you for inviting me. we don't know. the minute russian troops entered the chernobyl zone, they switch off their radiological meters so we lost the data points from there. but from anecdotal evidence and interviews, published reports, my understanding is that they may have some exposure, but i don't think it will be in such a substantial amount of radiation
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that would cause radiation sickness or in any other substantial immediate reactions. >> that's interesting because the state-owned operator of ukraine's nuclear power plant says that russian troops were showing signs of illness, and they started to panic. there was almost a riot among them, according to this official. what would be the initial symptoms of radiation exposure? >> for your audience, acute radiation syndrome could have different manifestations. and it depends on the dose. so they could have -- this will usually be something above one grade. a tremendous amount of radiation. and they will be having symptoms of nausea, vomiting, general malaise. then, if -- people who are exposed to higher doses, they will have gastrointestinal
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symptoms. vomiting and others. and then at very, very high doses of radiation, there could be effect on cardiovascular and central nervous system. just to give your viewers an idea, after the chernobyl accident, people who went into the reactor, the cleanup workers and had really high doses of radiation, we know that about one-third or so people overall developed acute radiation syndrome, in the whole situation in chernobyl was very high doses. so i don't think this is something that could happen here, but, of course, we have to wait and listen more reports and look at the actual data points that will be coming. i hope soon when they reconnect the meters. >> yeah, so if there was a release of radiation, even from digging in the red forest, for
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example, would that put people in that area who live near chernobyl or ukrainian workers who are at that site, would that put them in danger right now? >> i don't think so. so the people who are standing immediately around contaminated soil could get substantial exposures. they probably would not have acute radiation syndrome. it's possible but it's unlikely. after receiving substantial doses of radiation, later on in life due to dna damage, they could be at risk for cancers and noncancer diseases. this is probably the most likely scenario. >> doctor, i really appreciate you taking the time. thanks for enlightening us. >> thank you. here's some good news. unemployment just dropped to a new pandemic-era low. the bad news, americans are still feeling serious economic
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welcome back. new numbers out today show the job market is red hot. employers added 431,000 jobs in march. and the unemployment rate is now at a pandemic-era low, 3.6%. here's the president earlier today. >> more and more americans get jobs as they, do it's going to help ease the supply pressures we've seen. that's good news for fighting inflation. it's good news for our economy and means that our economy has gone from being on the mend to being on the move. >> joining us now is justin wolvers, professor of economics and public policy at the university of michigan. good to see you. happy friday. first, your reaction to the jobs report. any surprises? >> i mean, i think the president has it right. this was a very strong jobs report. very good news. the economy is almost caught back most of what we've lost during the pandemic, and it's still got a lot of momentum. so i think we're all feeling pretty good about that. >> in fact, unemployment is just one point off the lowest level
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hit during the trump administration at 3.5%. hiring remains strong. wage growth is on fire, although trailing still a little bit of inflation. a lot of good news there, but some economists say recession warning lights are flashing. do you think a recession is imminent? >> not only do i not see any recession warning lights, i don't see even a glimmer on the horizon. look, we're creating jobs at a rate that normally we just call a boom. people are getting back to work. the unemployment rate is unbelievably low. enings things are, one, getting better and, two, already good. let's enjoy the moment while we finally have it after two pretty tough years and put off the "r" word until later. >> however, however, the average american is feeling the pain. feeling the pain at the pump. feeling the pain at the grocery store. inflation is a real problem. how do we get this under control? how do we get out of the
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inflation nightmare? >> well, some part of this is what's going on in the supply side of the economy. look, everything changed in the economy during the pandemic. everything from global shipping routes to where stuff is made. and it's taken a long time to just unsnarl everything that's going on. so it's difficult to get dishwashers. hard to buy a new car right now, but realize this is temporary. that's an economy healing and so much of the supply side pressures hopefully going to alleviate over the next year. >> should the fed be feeling the heat right now? >> well, the rise in oil prices which is why people are feeling pain at the pump, obviously it comes from russia and it's -- the war in ukraine. that's not something the fed has caused. it's also not something the fed can prevent. this is what's called a supply shock. and so it's a good time to stand pat and just hope that these higher oil prices are eventually going to pass through the system
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and things are going to get back to normal. >> you're the expert so we hope you're right and it's just a temporary blip. i want to ask about housing. we have new numbers showing year-to-year home prices rose 19.2% in january. that's a higher rate than in december. those are the latest numbers we have. do you see signs of a potential housing bubble brewing? >> well, the thing to realize is we have to put everything in the context of the pandemic. it changed everything, including the sorts of houses we want. so we're seeing an enormous run up in house prices because a lot more people are working from home. a lot more people want more space at home. a lot more people want to be in the suburbs. this is a difficult and wrenching adjustment but it's a real adjustment and one that's necessary for the way that people want to live their lives. who want to fix housing going forward we'll have to make it easier for people to build new homes and that's more of a medium objective. >> i think the latest polling showed something like 71% of
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americans worry about transportation costs and gas prices and there's still a big portion of the u.s. that is worried about the economy. doesn't see it as, you know, glass half full. seeing it as glass half empty. what's your advice to people who are really hurting right now? >> hold your breath and things, we hope, are going to get better. the good news is, those of you who haven't been back in the workforce, who have been worried, the pandemic is receding and the jobs are there for you. look forward. i think there's a pretty good chance you've got a pay raise coming up. if you don't, perhaps your spouse does. and things like the pain at the pump. well, it depends on what's happening geopolitically. but there's again more reason to be optimistic that prices are going to come down than go up even further. >> justin, thank you. appreciate it. >> my pleasure, ana. such sad news. more than 150 children have been
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killed in this war in ukraine. their homes and schools like this one have been destroyed. millions are now refugees. ahead, we'll ask a psychologist about the impact on the worry's youngest victims. and how to help your children process what's going on. i didn't know my genetic report could tell me i was prone to harmful blood clots. i travel a ton, so this info was ki. maybe even lifesaving. ♪do you know what the future holds?♪
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i'm don lemon live in lviv, ukraine. breaking moments ago, the mayor of a city near kyiv says ukrainian forces have recaptured the town from russian troops. we're following that. and also this. talks resuming between russia and ukraine. cnn is learning that the u.s. and its allies are mulling ways to offer ukraine alternative security guarantees. those would happen if ukraine vows not to join nato in a potential concession to russia. ukraine's proposal? well, it wants western countries to promise protection if russia attacks in the future. let's go to natasha bertrand. a promise like that would make ukraine almost a de factonato member, direct? >> that's exactly the conundrum here is how do you provide ukraine with those security guarantees without getting right back into the initial problem of
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allowing ukraine to become a member of nato which russia said is a no-go. and i should mention the original problem of the u.s. and western forces not wanting to put their troops in direct confrontation with russia which, if the ukrainians want this kind of security guarantee, would be the implication here. the u.s. has been speaking to the ukrainians and allies about what kinds of promises that they could deliver to ukraine or some kind of pact they could offer to ukraine to allow ukraine to feel that it has some form of security here, if, in fact, the negotiations continue and they forgo nato membership. and they strike some sort of deal with the russians. but the ukrainians say anything short of a legally binding guarantee that western countries like the u.s. and the uk will come to their defense, will put troops on the ground in their country if russia does, in fact, invade again is not acceptable to them at this point. they've said many times they do not want something akin to the
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bucharest memorandum, this treaty signed in 1994 that allowed -- that forced ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons in exchange for protections from western countries. of course, that was not legally binding and ukraine has said it left in a weaker position and russia in a stronger position. they want something not only political but legally binding. of course, it remains to be seen what kind of agreement russia would agree to at this point but ukraine is saying this is not something they can take for granted. it's obviously existential for them, don. >> right on. thank you, natasha bertrand. appreciate that. ana, back to you. >> don, i know you're signing off after this segment with me. it's been really nice having you there, being part of this show this week. we don't get to work together in this capacity very often. thank you for your hard work. >> you have been very gracious. i know when it's your own show, you have been very gracious. sometimes people take ownership, what have you, but i've enjoyed working with you and more than
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anything, ana, and you can appreciate this, enjoyed -- i've been enjoying telling the story of the people here in ukraine and what they are dealing with. they are amazing. an amazing group of people and the resilience is just -- i'm awestruck by it. thanks to you and thanks to the people here. >> the silver lining is seeing the strength of humanity and how people are working together in many ways. thank you, don. now the government in kyiv reports at least 153 children have been killed since russia invaded. and the u.n. estimates at least 2 million ukrainian children are now refugees. this is the devastating reality of living in a war zone. here a child walks through the ruins of his community. another on a playground next to a bombed apartment building. a birthday celebration in a bomb shelter. parents are doing their best for their children amid constant
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shelling. and teresa is a professor at the boston college of social work and director of the research program on children and adversity. and teresa, thank you for taking some time with us. the trauma, the heartbreak, the desperation. what's your biggest concern for these ukrainian children? >> thanks for having me, ana. so for children, certainly the biggest threats are direct threats through injury, death, loss of life, but also the indirect effects due to disruption of the fabric of day-to-day life as you just showed. separation and loss from loved ones. a loss of a sense of safety, routines, predictability, losing a sense of home and losing a sense of advancing one's self with their future, such as pursuing their education. >> so what do they need psychologically, emotionally? what do they need most right now to get through this? >> so we've researched this topic of children affected by armed conflict for a long time. it goes back to early work in the evacuations of world war ii.
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and a book by anna freud and dorothy. and when young people have access to those fundamental attachment figures in their life, they can manage very frightening events. and we see that we know a lot about resilience. it's useful to think about outcomes as a process rather than a trait of certain individuals. certain individual factors matter. age, gender, temperament, intelligence but also who is available to that child in terms of their parents around them. extended family, coaches, religious figures to provide guidance and support. and we have to think about the larger political and economic context and how quickly children and families can return to some sense of normalcy and advancing themselves through returning to their education. getting parents back in the driver's seat once they've experienced loss and displacement. how to support their family. have jobs. have housing. and all of this really matters.
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we know over time a tremendous amount of evidence shows that we need family attachment relationships, social support and return to routines and relationships. >> when you talk about how important that attachment piece is to help children get through this, it makes me even sadder to think about this interview. my colleague john berman did with a mother the other day who happened to be in poland when this invasion started while her child was still in ukraine. and at last check she, had been trying desperately to get to him. but without success. take a listen. >> he's got one thing on his mind. how i can go and get him. he's not thinking of anything else. i am trying to talk to him about other things, but he's only got one thought on his mind so that i could come and get him. >> she says in every conversation that he keeps talking about, you know, when can you come and get me. and as a parent myself, it really breaks my heart given all
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of your research and your expertise, what do you see in a scenario like that? >> sure. so as the boy separated from his mother, it's a painful experience for both of them. and it's really important. like you're seeing. he stays in touch with his mother. the people around him are providing him with a sense of reassurance that he's going to be safe but also his mother is going to be safe and everyone is doing everything they can to help them get back together as quickly as possible. i'd also want to know who else is available to that child. we know that even when immediate attachment figures aren't available, others who have an ongoing supportive relationship with that child can really make a tremendous difference. and as long as they are committed people in the lives of that child and also moving quickly towards reunification of the family, we know that they can really do well over time. >> that's so nice to hear. we do know that that child was with other relatives at the very least. teresa bettancourt, wish we had more time for this discussion. i appreciate your expertise and insights and perspective on this situation. very difficult situation.
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. welcome back. the lead producer of the oscars is now breaking his silence about that moment will smith slapped chris rock. will packer told "good morning america" he thought it was all a comedy bit at first. like a lot of us did. but that changed quickly. >> once i saw will yelling at the stage with such vitriol, my heart dropped.
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and i just remember thinking, oh, no. oh, no. not like this. >> cnn's camilla bernal is in los angeles. and packer described his conversations with chris rock right after the incident. fill us in. >> so, look, packer is really giving us insight into what chris rock was thinking and really what he did right after this incident. we know, as you heard there, that he was devastated. pecker saying that his heart dropped. that the entire time that all of this was unfolding, his heart was in his stomach. that is what chris packer was saying. and really he -- or will packer. and what he said is that after all of this happened, he had to wait until chris rock left the stage to really get confirmation. he said he asked him, did you really get hit. and chris rock said, yes. and then joked about it and said i just got punched by mohammed ali. but after all of this, a very
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serious meeting and that involved the los angeles police department. they all got together in packer's office and this is what will packer said happened in that meeting. take a listen. >> the lapd came and needed to talk to chris. and so they came into my office and they were laying out very clearly what chris's rights were. and they were saying this is battery. we will go get him. we are prepared. we're prepared to get him right now. you could press charges. we could arrest him. as they were talking, chris was -- he was being very dismissive of those options. >> now packer said he was not part of conversations to physically remove will smith from this venue. but did he say that once he heard that these were the conversations taking place, he went up to academy leadership and that is when he expressed
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what he heard from chris rock. saying that, look, he just wanted to move on. did not want to make a bad situation even worse. and so he also said that that night he did not talk to will smith. but said that the next day he did apologize, that he was essentially embarrassed ab just sad because this overshadowed the success of will packer and of many others. >> to hear how chris rock reacted behind the scenes is as impressive as he did act on camera. that does it for me today. i wish you a wonderful weekend and i'll see you back here on monday. until then you could find me on twitter at ana cabrera. the news continues right after a quick break. lps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm victor blackwell. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. we begin with a new twist in the war in ukraine. russia is accusing ukraine of launching a missile and striking a fuel depot inside of russia. new video shows a fire at the fuel depot in belgorod, that is just over the border into russia. the russian defense ministry said two ukrainian helicopters entered the territory, flying at a low altitude and attacked. cnn cannot confirm thi


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