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messages as they look for corrections between rioters. jackson is not only a member of congress but also the white house's physician who gave then president trump a glowing bill of health and kind of became famous about it and said he may live to be 200 years old. it kate baldoan, "ac 360" starts now. good evening. president zelenskyy spoke out moments ago. >> the targeted killing civilians and destruction of residential buildings with all kinds of weapons including those that are forbidden by int international conventions. this is the trademark of the
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army, this will mark the source of the federation as a force of evil. >> the war of ukraine entered a new phrase only they refused to use the word calling it a war. another stage of this operation is beginning. i am sure this will be an important moment of this entire special operation. well, it certainly is an important moment. he's not wrong about that. it is important to understand the reality of this moment. these moments were captured in ukrainian's second largest city kha kharkiv, in a residential neighborhood, people were dead. these moments come to us from reuters. again, another residential neighborhood in kharkiv and again human beings, neighbors, friends, and mothers and fathers dead lying in the street from russian bombardment. it is another example one aid to
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president zelenskyy told cnn there is not a single place in ukraine is safe. while the war is entering a new phase, the battle we are seeing in the east, quote, are "preludes to larger operations." in other words, the violence is getting worse. a ukrainian military official says civilians are trying to evacuate even if shelling occurs from all directions. a ukrainian commander says he and other soldiers and sifcivils are holdup in a steel factory surrounded by russian forces, spoke with cnn today. we only have a few days. he asks for a third country to detract the people out. ukrainian officials said russian forces had bombed and shelling
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the factory. it is something that cnn has not been able to verify independently. i a it appears to show, you will hear a russian soldier speaking to a woman about the horror that's to come in mariupol. >> we are expecting surprises from russia here. >> what kind of surprises? >> three tons one from the sky. set the level everything to the ground. >> will there be some kind of explosion? >> they said to leveleri everytg to the ground. >> oh. >> they are being bombed and bombed. they're knocking them out. >> that's what the man said. that's why ukrainian police chiefs what happens in the east and south may determine the future of the country. the white house and president biden spoke about the situation reiterating their commitment to aid ukraine.
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the administration is prepraari another $800 million package. ed lauvandera is in kyiv. >> alexa is searching for answer in a place where answers were buried or bombed. but he must find his father. his father disappeared while helping a friend escaping the war zone west of kyiv. >> he talked about it so light heartedly that i felt everything will be all right. we didn't have information that civilians were being shot so i was not worried. >> reporter: an march 8th, you got seven different texts from your dad, what did it say? >> he's going the drive here to take his friends and to bring
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him to kyiv. >> reporter: what did you write back to him? >> i asked him to be careful, to care for himself and that's all. >> reporter: those were the last words father and son exchanged. olesik is joined by his father's friend. they looking for cars and putting up pictures of the 48-year-old, father of two boys, hoping someone had answers. unraveling the mystery of what happened to countless of people. the after math of russia's siege, olesik and andre are on their own. >> reporter: how difficult is it to do this so many days
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searching and searching and no answers. >> i have no words. we don't know where he may be. >> reporter: this map shows the ground they have covered looking for his father. so far every question leads to another dead end . >> reporter: that lead didn't help. the men discovered four siciviln cars scorched. inside one of the cars human bones were visible. andriy thought one of the cars may be egor's. >> reporter: when you arrived here and you saw this, what did
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you feel? >> i just cried. i don't see anything bec because -- i just cried. >> it is not his car. >> reporter: do you still think you can find him alive? >> hope. >> reporter: the search continues for this father who vanished in the war. ed lavandera is joining us now from kyiv and clarissa ward is in the donbas region in the east. before the clips, the russian soldiers received orders of everything on the ground. many whom who are desperate need of medical attention. i want to play this recording again. this is released by ukrainian's security services. >> we are expecting surprises
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from russia here. >> what kind of surprises? three tons ones to the sky. >> will there be some kind of expl explosions? st >> they said to level everything to the ground. >> oh. >> they are being bombed and bombed, they are knocking them out. >> it seems like it is centering on this steel plant. >> reporter: that's right anderson. cnn spoken with the ukrainian commander who's inside the steel plant along with hundred of sifr civilians who are taking cover. he describes the situation as being critical at this moment. he essentially implore any third country to come forward to broke
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some kind of extraction gr agreement. he was essentially begging for the u.s. to take a sort of primary wall in trying to get these people out safely. he said this is a matter of upmost urgency. this may be the last time you hear my voice. we have the possibility ly a fe and perhaps we are going to die. there is not enough food or water. we don't know how many ukrainian forces are held up in there. clearly is a dire situation and looking more bleak by the moment. >> ed, in your piece is so, it is one family, one son looking for his father and that's a story which has repeated thousands or if not tens of
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thousands of times in ukraine now every single day with people who have been separated or don't know where another loved one may be. >> reporter: this is in an area that has been freed of russian occupation. there is still so much of this country remains under russian occupation where we don't have a full extent of the horrors that have occurred there. in these areas around kyiv where the russian forces are gone, there is just an overwhelming amount of work that's being done. there are investigators combing through neighborhoods and digging up graves of people, unidentified bodies are stacking up in the morgue. no real system in place yet to be able to kind of clear all of this information and get the answers to these families. the amount of dna testing that'll be needed to confirm the identities of people and kconnet them with loved ones.
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it is an overwhelming and monumental task at this moment. >> i know you visited the town in the eastern front earlier. what did you see and how many people are there and want to try to get out if they can? >> well, we are still here in the town, less than 20 miles, where some of the heaviest fighting underway. russian forces pushing into that area, volunteers desperately trying to get civilians out who wants to evacuate. the problem they are fining again and again, people make the decision to evacuate once it is too late to safely evacuate them. today when we were walking around and talking to the handful of people who were lining up outside an atm to get out some cash and asking them what they were still doing there when you can hear artillery granted in the distance.
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it is clear the trajectory for this russian offenses, they're all telling you the same thing, we are listening carefully and once it gets too close, we'll le leave. this is a poor area, people worked very hard to buy their homes. they don't want to leave and you can see some of the scenes in ed's scenes there of the kind of mayhem that was left booiehind you can see the amount of looting and stealing and destruction that's taken place. because of that in part, people here are reluctant to leave their home. they feel like they can stick it out. they lived through eight years of war already, this is a more intensify face but they are hearty and resilient people and they believer they they can get through it.
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that's creating adam dynamic fo authorities here and who are seeing quite a few hold-out. the region of luhan, it is gone down to 70,000 right now. that's still 70,000 people who are potentially going to be in danger as this offenses get underway. >> clarissa ward, thank you. a mom and a basement in kyiv with three kids. we talked to her for weeks now. her husband will be heading to the fighting in the east. one family's view of the war. breaking news of the lifting of the mask mandates for travelers, the u.s. and the department of justice weighing in, whether or not they'll challenge it. ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between ththe high interest, the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broke up with my crededit card debt and consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi.
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mayor requested for 200,000 gas masks in case of a chemical attack. alyna, thank you so much for agreeing to talk again. how are your family doing? >> hi there. looks like we are fine. we are all alive and not wounded. it is already 50 days that ukraine kept our resistance and more and more countries supported us and gave us more weapons and looks like our army is using these weapons wisely. looks like we'll get through in ukraine. >> we played a video from mariupol that was taken by a military forces in a basement and it was children, kids probably 10 or 11 or 12 year
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olds and just to hear them and stuck in the basement around the clock, all eagerly and the person behind the camera asked them if they wanted to go some where else and they all said yes. it was all heartbreaking to see the life inside this basement and to know what the city above them looks like. a city they probably they would not recognize right now because it has been so destroyed. >> i can't imagine how this feels. when i was stuck in the basement in kyiv, i had a little bit of hope, i was more sure that we'll survive but those guys in mariupol are like -- you know what i mean, yes? we all understand. for so long there was - it is very hard to keep your hope for
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them. >> i know your husband volunteered to defend and protect kooefr ayiv and so many have been doing. i understand he's apart of the military, he has a uniform finally. are you concerned that he may have to go to the east? >> yeah, i am concerned and they said one option for him to stay in kyiv patrolling or he's sent to the east because some other people from kyiv territorial defense. yes, i am concerned. >> the choices that your family is forced to make, the choices that so many families across ukraine are forced to make
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is -- they don't make the headlines but that's one of horror of wars. these impossible choices, one is forced todd make or asked to m. >> i don't know, i don't think he was hesitating much about what he should do. he's following what consciousness tells him. >> he's following his conscious. >> i was not surprised when he said that he'll go. >> you met him, you have been together for 15 years. it was just your 15th anniversary. can you talk about how you met? you were both, you are young now, you were so young -- you were like 21, were you? >> yeah, we were students. we met when we were younger. when we were 18 or 19 years old.
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>> wow. >> we started three years after we were friends, one evening he just asked me, can i kiss you and then -- i said, "yes," ththat was the best decision i have ever done in my life. >> i heard another story that you both were studying french and he actually first ask of you was in french. >> yes, he approached me. >> would you go for a walk with me? >> yeah, exactly. >> i started to learn french better. we spent our honey mmoon in par.
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>> what a walk you two have been on together all these years. >> i didn't expect to have three children with him. >> and dorina is crawling now. i saw a video you put on y youtube. t that's a huge thing. >> yes, she's crawling right now. sh she's surprised herself that she's crawling. she's doing this faster and faster everyday. and now is getting much more complicated with her because she's demanding and she wants to get it and she wants to put it into her mouth especially somebody's shoes, for example. >> shoes is my son's wyatt's
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first word and he's still obsessed on chshoes and boots. i appreciate you talking to us and i wish you and your family the best. >> thank you, anderson. >> happy anniversary. >> thank you. >> olena posted a lot about her life and her family on the war on her youtube channel "what is ukraine." >> just ahead, tom freedman joins us next. kin', flippin', dippin'. if you're not oozing, then you're losing. tater totting, cold or hohotting. mealin', feelin', pie-ing, trying. color your spread. upgrade your bread. pair it. share it. kraft singles. square it. i am here because they revolutionized immunotherapy.
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he writes ensure both moscow and beijing finding themselves contending with much more powerful and relentless forces and systems. so much of the world has to worry about instability of both country. tom friedman is joining us now.
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wo one of things you wrote towards the end of your piece, hit is refreshing to hear that because i think there is been a lot of talk over the past years that people looking at authoritarian system as if they have some great advantage over democracy. >> yes, there is no question, anderson. the emergence of cyber tools and facial recognition tools and social networks and drones. they seem to make it more efficient and they seem to make democracy more governable. what we saw putin, he beats up a bunch of army in syria, georgia a
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georgia - they never faced western army with weapons. >> he was able to do that in aleppo and elsewhere because there were not enough. there were some very, very brave reporters who were there covering and photographers but the world was not watching closely day after day. the citizens did not have cell phone cameras they were uploading and we were not seeing these flood of i mages from thoe places. >> exactly, it was another restraining force on him and ukraine that didn't exist in these other theaters. he had a system basically that was up against a weak system in all of these wars of the last decade. he thought the same thing was going to happen in ukraine. instead he triggered a war with a strong system that's ukrainian highly motivated. trained for a decade now and that was some of the most sophisticated weapons but also training on those weapons and operated in small groups against
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very mass russian military armor, you know, brigades, and he got his nose bloodied. it is hard for us to appreciate because we could not see the battle. it is impossible to exaggerate what a loss it was for russia that their command ship, the most advance naval warship was sunk in the black sea by a ukrainian missile that was never used in war ever be. it was probably a prototype. you have a cascade of things wrong to do that. this ship not only failed to operate its defenses, this ship was responsible for all the air defenses of the rest of the russian fleet. i would not have want to be the russian admiral. and say boss, i am sorry, it went down in the black sea. >> there were early on in the
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pandemic, i saw a video online, i think it was dr. oz, when he was a tv doctor, we should replicate it and lock it down in places. as you write of the examples of china and their vaccines are not efficacious as others in the u.s. and developed elsewhere. and you said in the article, i am worried sick about our democratic system but as long as we can vote out incompetent leaders and maintain the information of ecosystem and defy se d d defy scensorship. >> the leaders all tried to extend their terms in effect unconstitutionally. one was named donald trump, the second was vladimir putin and
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. with the mask mandate no longer in effect for travelers, the justice department says they'll appeal for the court ruling if the cdc determines the requirement is still need ed. the cdc is still weighing if the mask mandate is still needed. as the white house navigates the chaos surrounding the ruling, there is confusion for travelers with inconsistent masking rules across different airports and transit systems. >> masks will be optional for all crew. >> also confusion facing mask rules. some airports will still require masks, such as new york, kennedy and laguardia and near by newark
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airport will not. masks will also be required at new york subway transit systems. >> this is not the way you move public policy. >> reporter: the sweeping new changes come during a spring break travel surge. the latest tsa number says more than 11 million people flew nationwide over the long easter weekend. with what could be a huge summer travel season on tn horizon. the cdc remains firm on its guidance, telling travelers to continue to wear masks everyone in the absence of a federal mandate. >> just because this ruling is made by a judge, does not mean that suddenly science has changed. >> reporter: the u.s. district judge liking the mandate to detention and quarantine. the u.s. airlines are letting passengers to decide themselves
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with masks optional policies. >> without the masks, i feel safe. airplanes are one of the safest indoor places. >> traveling here and being downtown in new york and everybody not wearing masks and things, i felt much more comfortable keeping mine on. >> reporter: united aliirlines alone banned about a thousand passengers for not following rules. some of those passengers will be able to fly again. what's so interesting here is masks have been a huge driver of unruly passenger incidents. 70% of those incidents this year had been because of masks. >> appreciate it. joining me now is our legal analyst, jeff, how likely do you think the rule will be appealed by the department of justice?
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>> i have never heard or seen a statement like this by the justice department. it is peculiar how they pushed the hot potato over to the cdc. the cdc has to decide whether they think the ban has to be reinstated just for the following two weeks. that's the only issue before the cdc. if you listen to president biden today, he got a little off message but i think he was channelling what the decision may be. he said look, it is up to passengers whether they want wear masks and that seems to be the way the cdc is going which would mean the department of justice does not appeal and let the mask requirement expires now as opposed to on may 3rd. >> does this have a precedent on the books here? >> well, that's the real argument for an appeal here because the justice department
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has to be worried that this will be a precedent that limits the ability of the cdc to act in emergencies and other judges have decided this exact issue in a different way. so, there are other precedents out there that the justice department could point to. the risk of not appealing is leaving this ruling on the books and lieaving the flexibility of the cdc in the future. that's the risk the department of justice is willing to take if the cdc thinks it is okay to get rid of masks on may 3rd. >> that could send some sort of a precedent as well. >> and this case would be appealed to the 11th circuit courts of appeal which is one of the most conservative courts of appeal. the odds of a loss are higher
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here than they would be in another part of the country. that's probably figuring into why the justice department is some what reluctant to appeal. that's just underlines how politicized our courts have become. democrats are seeing things in different ways. this was a new republican appointee and she ruled against the biden administration. >> thanks, more ahead on the next phase of the battle in ukraine. our ben wedeman visits the hospital at the front line. ♪
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president zelenskyy said the russian army will be remembered as a source of evil and the most inhumane in the world.
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russians fired towards kharkiv and donbas significantly increased. soldiers are facing new challenges. our senior national correspondent, ben wedeman, visits at the hospitals at the front line. here is his report. >> reporter: this time a soldier wounded on the front line. here, glass doors must be taped to minuimize shattering in case of bombings. the director says thanks to help from abroad, they do not lack for medicine or equipment. what they desperately need is neuro surgeons. >> reporter: that in a world where intense bombardments are the norms. these men are recovering from special units from artillery bombardment. when shelling is just steps away, the damage is invisible
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but it is there. they suffer from intense headaches, nausea and dizziness. >> he suffers from concussions twice. not all wound bleeds. >> ben wedeman at the hospital here at the front lines. i want to bring in our former u.s. defense, former commender of europe, general hurley. >> general hurley, you have been accessing the army and as this war enters a new phase, focusing on the donbas region, how do you think is going to change and do you think they have, is russia
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capable of learning from their mistakes? that would be ominous for ukrainian forces. >> the first part, anderson, is you know how is it going to change? ben wedeman's you're going to see a lot of artillery fire. it's called shaping operations. it contributes to the final decisive operations and the way russia shapes the battlefield is usually with artillery and a lot of it and close air support. ben's report also talks about the psychological and physical effects of what happens to soldiers under that intensive fire. what he just described in terms of the intense headaches, nausea, and disorientation is what the u.s. military has found to be mild traumatic brain injury. and it's the effects of not only the physical ramifications of artillery strikes but also the psychological and the fear that's induced through
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constantly being under artillery. that's what the civilians, the citizens of ukraine have felt in places like mariupol. but now we're going to see it along the front line against the soldiers of ukraine. has russia learned? they have attempted to reduce the amount of battle space they're operating in. they will still have failures in the ability to execute combined arms operation. but truthfully, it doesn't take much to fire a lot of artillery, and they've been doing that for weeks now. >> general zwack, senior defense officials tell cnn they estimate russia has 78 battalion tactical groups in ukraine and is continuing to build up. what do you make of the forces they've assembled and how do you see what the battle is going to look like? >> yes, numerically it is substantial. but not overwhelming. and i would say this is a -- likely a polyglot force.
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there are units that are being brought in that are relatively fresh. the majority of them have already been in the fight and if they've been coming over -- some have been coming over from kyiv and the belarus front they've been mangled and quickly reconstituted and you've got probably serious ptsd in some of those units. so you're going to have different levels of quality that what general hertling mentioned, that artillery can somewhat offset. and this is in your footage just now you saw trundling up bm-21 grads. these are multiple rocket launchers. their area of fire, they're indiscriminate. and the russians likely will have a lot of that firing, conventional artillery. that will help, if you will, their ground troops that are in theory supporting tanks into the fight. but how long and how tough will the russians be with a sustained
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ukrainian defense that has also been bloodied, as we've seen, time will tell. 78 btgs is a lot. another dozen is around mariupol. but not an overwhelming force with a well-led defense and a still shaky foundation for the russian troops. >> general hertling, there's -- i mean, rush has shown, if you look at mariupol, they are perfectly content to decimate a city in order to take it. even a city -- one might have thought well, if they want mariupol to get a land bridge, connecting territories in crimea, is they wouldn't decimate the city. but it doesn't seem that they care. that is actually -- i mean, it's sickening. but that is an advantage for them, is it not? >> yeah, if you don't care about the effects of murder on a large scale, this is not combat, anderson. you kill in combat in order to defeat an enemy.
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what the russians are doing is murdering civilians. it fits every definition of terror. i looked up with all the talk about terrorism, i looked up the definition of terror. it's the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives. what we're seeing is a demonstration of the definition of terrorism. and that's why i believe the state department should in fact -- i mean, this is a state department call, but they should declare that russia is a state sponsor of terrorism because mr. putin has asked his forces to murder people and to kill civilians. it doesn't get any more clear-cut than that as fares ai am other concerned. >> general hertling, general zwack, i really appreciate it. thank you. always good to talk to you. next an update on a story we told you about last week. the latest details on the deadly police shooting of patrick lyoya
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after video was released last week of the deadly police-involved shooting of 26-year-old patrick lyoya in grand rapids, michigan an independent autopsy commissioned by his family shows that he was shot in the back of his head. lyoya was killed during an encounter with an officer following a traffic stop on april 4th. video shows him running away from the officer after being instructed to get back in the car. the officer tackles him to the ground. after struggling with lyoya and attempting to tase him, the two wrestle on the ground before the officer tells him to let go of the taser. that is when the officer's body camera was deactivated. another video then captures the fatal gunshot. the officer is on paid leave while the incident is being investigated. the news continues right now. i want to hand it over to laura coates and jim sciutto, who is in ukraine. >> thanks so much, anderson.
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm jim sciutto. as anderson said, live from lviv, ukraine. along with my good friend laura coates, back in the u.s. and there is tonight very dire news out of the besieged city of mariupol in the south of this country. hundreds of ukrainian civilians including women and children as well as soldiers surrounded by russian forces and fearing for their lives. a ukrainian marine commander is now pleading with the world for help, calling for an international evacuation effort there. he says and i'm quoting, it may be his very last statement because ukrainian forces have in his words a few days or even a few hours left there. he said "we are surrounded." you're about to see that desperate plea in just a moment. we do know there is a, quote, unprecedented effort by the u.s. as we speak to race yet more weapons to ukraine in a critical new phase of theug