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>> and as for the moderates blocking the democratic agenda -- >> i would call it full of crap. >> manu raju, cnn, philadelphia. >> thank you so much for that, and thank you all so much for being with us tonight. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. vladimir putin in a discussion with his defense minister about the besieged port of mariupol today talked of, and this is his word, liberating the port city. he spoke of success against mariupol's defenders some of whom are still holding out in a massive steel plant and talked about adhering to relevant international legal acts and how the injured will receive what he described as medical assistance. take a look at this. new satellite photos from mariupol. they come to us from maxar technologies and they're pictures of what ukrainian officials say are mass graves. one ukrainian official called it, quote, direct evidence of
war crimes and attempts to cover them up. ukrainian officials say they believe as many as 20,000 people have died after weeks of bombardments. cnn can not independently verify the claims. today, less than 100 mariupol residents were able to leave the city. some of the children just off the buses spoke with channel 4 news about what life is like in the city they once called home. >> translator: the yards are full of graves. 20 or 30 people were buried just near our house. lots of houses have been destroyed. they are all blackened and burnt. >> translator: everyone had to undress to their underpants, take everything off. all documents, every piece of paper are checked so nothing is there. questions like, what do you know about asov, about the arms forces of ukraine? if you're over 18 years old, of
military age, you will be taken away. >> young men reportedly facing forced conscription by russians. further north, ukrainians sithey were only able to get a few out. the routes are constantly shelled or mined and every trip there is full of danger. today, ukrainian intelligence released a new tape reportedly of a russian soldier referred to an alleged order to kill ukrainian prisoners of war in that region. >> those translated words, again, let them go forever, damn it, so no one will ever see then gem, including relatives. clarissa ward was outside the town. we'll hear from her in a moment. another news of another $800 million security package and
word from a senior defense offense that the ukrainian have more tanks now than russians do. we have reporters where the news is happening. ben wedeman and clarissa ward in the east of the country and at the white house, kaitlan collins. we start with ben wedeman's reports in the east. >> it begins again. hell rains down. a dozen people are hiding in the basement of a bombed out theater in the a town. let it stop, oh, lord, he says. now there's incoming. white flag hangs outside to no effect. the theater above has been bombed and bombed again and again. yet they stay. too poor, too old, too
frightened to flee. nina, 89 years old, has been here for five weeks. i want to go home, she says. i have suffered too much. i have seen the fire and the smoke. i have seen it all. i'm scared. nina's plea simple. help us. help us. her daughter struggles to comfort her. we're praying to god to stop it, she says. to hear us. ina says i have nowhere to go. i have no friends, no relatives. with the shelling intensifying, volunteers are finding it hard to deliver food. as russian and ukrainian forces fight for control of the town, there are people down there. praying, as hell rains down.
>> ben wedeman joins us. also in the east of ukraine, clarissa ward in dnipro, and at the white house, kaitlan collins. ben, talk a little more about what it was like in that shelter. i mean, is there any hope of them leaving anytime soon? >> that's a good question. you know, it was so dangerous in that area that as i said in that report, it's becoming increasingly difficult to deliver food. in fact, we brought them a few bags of food and some water. and they're running low. and going into that shelter, i mean, it's not a shelter. it's a basement of this theater. it was dank and dirty and the people were unwashed. and i can tell you, some of them looked like they were literally losing their minds. one of the women i spoke to was partially deaf. and she had just sort of a tic,
and she said every time i hear -- i can't hear the bomb, i feel the bombs above, and we were there only 36 minutes. i timed it. and in that time, about eight bombs fell very nearby. one of our people was in the car outside. the car shook, he said, from side to side. his eyes felt the vibrations. this is something these people go through day after day. those women were there for five weeks. so it's really just hard to imagine how they're surviving. and it's going to have permanent damage. i can tell you, i have covered wars for 30 years, and it just disgusts me to see people at that age, 89 years old, and i have seen it in so many different places. going through that, it's, the inhumanity of it is hard to
comprehend. >> it's criminal, that woman who lived 89 years on this planet, and to go through this at that age. i think the point you made is so important, ben. we shouldn't be using this word, shelter. it implies as if it's some sort of secure location that is getting resources or some in way, like a bomb shelter. it's not. it's a basement. if someone is in their home right now somewhere and has a basement, imagine going down and living in that for five weeks. i mean, it's just sickening. and it's just horrific. clarissa, you were near the front line near a town called papasna. we'll see you reporting in a few moments. i mentioned that ukrainian military intelligence released an alleged recording of russian communications talking about that area. somebody talking about killing prisoners there. i want to play that reporting one more time for people to listen .
>> should point out that's released by the defense intelligence age ancy of ukrain. what more have you learned about what's going on in the area. >> as you said, we have no way of confirming the authenticity of it. cnn has reached out to the russian defense ministry. they have said no comment essentially or they have yet to comment, which is not entirely unsurprising. but we have been hearing a lot of harrowing accounts from people who live in the town of papasna, who believe that it's russian mercenaries from the so-called wagner group who are howeverly involved in the fighting there. we have no way of confirming that. this is just accounts coming from people on the ground. and certainly, it is a very ugly battle. what you are seeing essentially
is a russian tactic of constant shelling, indiscriminate shelling, followed by inching forward. then another round or wave of constant shelling, and then inching forward. and the end result is essentially a sort of war of attrition that results in absolute misery for civilians who are effectively trapped with no way of getting out safely. and with no meaningful progress, really, on the ground either. you know, ben and his extraordinarily courageous report, for weeks now, russian forces have said that they are in full control of that town. you can see very clearly from ben's reporting that they are not completely in control of that town. we have also heard that they are in control of a number of other towns and in the reality is, as far as we are aware, there is only one town so far in donbas, that they are certainly in control of. and so you realize the scale of the suffering and the amount of
artillery and shelling being pounded on these people for what at the end of the day is very incremental gains. it's staggering and frankly horrifying. >> president biden announced a new aid pakage for ukraine today. what's in it? >> pretty powerful weapons, anderson. i think it reflects the gravity of which the white house realizes just how pivotal these next several weeks will be in determining what could happen here. and so this new $800 million package announced today follows on the heels of the $800 million last week they are sending and this has about 72 howitzers. 144,000 rounds of ammunition, over 100 tactical drones and these are different drones than the package last week. these are what the pentagon is calling phoenix ghost drones. they say they were specifically made to go to ukraine. they were developed by the air force at the request of these specific requests made by the ukrainians of what they believe
they need to help them fend themselves off from the russians as they have moved this battle into the second phase from the invasion where they were going after cities like kyiv, the capital, and now moving to the eastern region. so this is something that the white house believes is going to help maybe push them back even, not just brace themselves as a defense against the russian forces, but it is notable just how heavy duty the weaponry that they are sending now is compared to what they were sending at the beginning of this invasion. i think it shows just how critical the white house believes helping them with this kind of weaponry is at this time. >> ben, you have visited a number of villages on the eastern front over the past week. is the fighting happening everywhere or is it, i mean, targeted or strategic. is there rhyme or reason for where we're seeing violence? >> well, basically, it is focused in certain areas. for instance, north of here, in the direction of izyum, there
are a lot of strategic towns where the fighting is going on. and to the east of here, one town, and there, for instance, what we're seeing is that the ukrainians seem to be holding on. we went into a town, and as clarissa mentioned, it has been reported, claimed by the russians that they control the town. but what we saw is they don't control the town or at best, they only control a part of it. and we were on a ridge overlooking the hill, watching as it appeared to be ukrainian artillery was pounding the areas of the town occupied by the russians. and as we entered the town, going to the check point, some of the check points were surprisingly relaxed. they were not some of the soldiers wearing helmets, which indicates a somewhat lower sense of threat in the area. so this is not the sort of
attempted blitzkrieg we saw at the beginning of the war, focused around kyiv and north central ukraine. this seems at best a somewhat half-hearted incremental attempt by the russians to gain small bits of territory. so far. now, whether we can attribute that to the successful resistance of the ukrainians or the fact that perhaps the russian troops simply their heart is not in it. anderson. >> fascinating. ben wedeman, kaitlan collins, thank you. we're going to have clarissa ward's report. also more on vladimir putin's talk of, quote, liberating mariupol. also his need to call this war a success. david remnick joins us for that. and later, president obama with a warning tonight about those here in america trying to subvert democratic institutions.
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. earlier, we mentioned vladimir putin claiming, quote, success in mariupol and saying the russians are, and again, his words, liberating the besieged port city. he also said if the remaining defenders were to lay down arms, russia guarantees their lives and decent treatment in accordance with the relevant legal acts. we can't independently verify that. president zelenskyy said today russia is not engaged in war in mariupol, it was more like a, quote, terrorist operation. i'm joined by david remnick who spent much of his career covering russia and author of the book, lenin's tomb. we saw putin today in this obviously choreographed meeting with the defense minister, announcing the so-called liberation of mariupol.
and it's sort of fascinating to watch because the defense minister says the steel mill where the remaining ukrainian defenders are and reportedly many civilians as well, are surrounding and it could be taken by russian troops in three to four days, he says, and vladimir putin on camera turns him down saying i order it to be canceled. essentially saying surround the place, not even a fly could escape. why do you think -- it's not so much he made that decision, but why do you think he made that decision and wanted it televised? >> at this point, to try to divine the inner thoughts of vladimir putin is a mug's game. i should say that first of all. but i think he also knows that the ukrainian troops that are in there are capable of killing many russian troops should they try to go in. and so he's going to try to, you know, this is somebody who grew up on the ledgens of the siege of leningrad, and he's going to try to starve them in the meantime. but you know, i should say that
overall, what you're looking at is a president of a paper tiger, where the military is concerned. everybody had thought, beginning with vladimir putin, that this was a modernized, first rate, european military. capable of marching into kyiv in a few days, taking it over, decapitating its government, replacing zelenskyy, and so on, and so on. we had been hearing that for weeks now. what you have seen, both as a general picture is in the details, is a mess of a military. one that has been hollowed out by neglect, by corruption, by poor training, by, you know, you're looking at an army that has lost eight generals. eight generals. that's unheard of. much less in a couple months. the new yorker has an
extraordinary interview this morning by isaac chotner with a military expert. i commend you to read this. it's a detail by detailed portrait of how incompetent, badly trained, poorly equipped this military is. however, you have to believe two things at the same time. it's perfectly willing and able to pound the hell out of ukraine with the arms that it does have, and just cause havoc for week after week, month after month, because putin certainly doesn't care about his own losses. >> yes, and not only -- yeah, if you don't care about your own forces and you don't care certainly don't care about the people, the potential of civilians you're killing, you can inflict untold horror even if you are completely incompetent and flailing around. i mean, it's -- >> that's right. i'm afraid that's right. and this could go on not just for weeks but for months and months and months.
remember, putin does not live in a world of politics. there's no feedback system for the vast majority of his population. people in russia are not hearing about the disaster that is their so-called special military operation. you're not turning on -- there's no cnn to turn on and see corpses. information leaks out very mysteriously and in little bits and pieces. you know, mothers may or may not, parents may or may not hear about sons dead at the front. this news is blocked off from russia. and this is part of the increasing isolation of russia. and its economic isolation. on no level, on no level, moral, political, or military is the great mastermind of so many magazine covers in the last 20 years proved out. this is a disaster on every level. >> i keep -- day after day,
watching these images and hearing people, and i'm just amazed at -- this conflict and others have said this in much better ways than i could, but i don't think there has ever been a conflict which has been so watched and videotaped and recorded from every single angle, except perhaps from the russian forces' angle because they are not going to allow independent journalists to travel with them, but i mean, during world war ii, if you had been able to talk to people in the underground, during the blitz or talked to people hiding in basements night after night after night, talked to people who, you know, soldiers who were on the front line, it's extraordinary that we're witnessing this and hearing russian forces talking on open communications, hearing the actual communications of the russian forces talking about killing people. it's one day -- >> for a moral point of view, if
we could absorb on a moral level what war actually is, what war actually is, we would never commit it. we would never commit it anywhere. no human being with half a moral sense would. but onward we go. you know, as an editor, i just can't help saying this, the extraordinary job that correspondents in the field have been doing, whether it's your clarissa ward or our luke mogulson or masha gessen, and jakes noctway. >> my god. >> he just sent in some images. i couldn't get out of my chair for 15 minutes. they were so gruesome, and i knew they had been taken, you know, that day or the day before. >> james published a book called inferno in 1999 of his pictures, and it's on my -- i have it in my house. i look at it all the time.
his work is extraordinary. and you know, he's there taking just incredible images. but ben wedeman just had this report, we call it a shelter, but again, and he pointed this out, we shouldn't be calling these things bomb shelters becausethies rr grubby basements, root cellars people are living in, and this 89-year-old woman, her hands caked in dirt and dirt under her nails, stuck in this place who lived 89 years and her life is reduced to, you know, sitting in this just dirty, dank cellar for the weeks -- for weeks and may never come out of there. >> yeah. let me just say, those images are precisely what you are not seeing on russian television. what you're seeing on russian television is happy tv. and occasionally outrage against the west and sanitized reports of the liberation of ukraine, of
nazi elements. hour after hour after hour. that's what you see. and those people in the press who are working at medusa or echo of maus caw or all the other outlets the americans have now become fluent in knowing about are living in istanbul, abroad, and putting up things on youtube for the most part tragically do not reach russian eyes. and that will delay things, and that will insure that this disaster continues. >> david remnick -- >> there's no politics. >> david, thank you so much. >> coming up, we'll be joined again by clarissa ward, just outside one of the front line towns. her report on civilians' struggle to survive constant russian bombardment, and also, former president obama making an impassioned speech about the threat of disinformation to democracy. enamel in its weakened state. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste
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but every day, volunteer alexander makes the dangerous drive towards russian forces in his hometown of papasna to rescue fellow residents from the heavy fighting. they shell everything, he tells us. school buses, the red cross, anything that moves. >> so why do you do this work? i love my town, and i can't leave it, he says. i can't leave the people here. somebody needs to help people. he's hoping the rain provides some let-up in the relentless artillery. it's better for us, but it's worse for the road, he says. you can't see the potholes and the shrapnel from the shells. he arrives at the village on the outskirts of papasna. in the last few days it has come under heavy shelling. anatoly is now being evacuated with his son, vladimir. a neighbor shouts at us to show
what the russians have done. those who stay here are now completely cut off from basic services. so there's no electricity here, no water at all, and you can see they're actually collecting rain water. it's time for anatoly and vladimir to go. their entire life now packed into the trunk of alexander's car. leaving the village, we spot a house destroyed by shelling. as we get out to take a closer look, a tearful woman emerges. she tells us it happened two days earlier. the first hit was at 5:50 and then there was a second hit, she says. and that hit my garage. she takes us around what remains of her home. a steady thuds of artillery can still be heard. >> the roof is completely
destroyed. this is where the first shell hit, she says. galina had just woken up and was lying in her bed when it happened. we have nothing left, she says. in the living room, she takes down the drapes that were hung to hide any light. this is how we try to mask ourselves, she tells us. there's no need for them anymore. galina and her husband still don't want to leave their home. but she understands that russia's offensive here has only just begun, and it's going to get much worse. i lived until 60 and now yo i have lost everything, she says. honestly, i have no words. for those like anatoly and vladimir who do leave, there are few good options.
alexander takes them to a dormitory in the nearby town. they can stay five days for free. after that, it's up to them. in the next door bed, another couple rescued by alexander tell us there is nothing left of their home. but they don't blame president putin. thank you, america, she says. it's a horror. it's a nightmare. so it's interesting. she's saying that she thinks russia actually wanted to negotiate here. and she blames america primarily for this war. putin wants to find a peaceful solution, her husband tells us. please don't tell this bull shi too, the whole world, alexander says. it's not an uncommon view in
these parts of eastern ukraine. making the situation here all the more complex. alexander says he evac waits anyone, whatever their political views. he knows there are still so many out there who need his help. >> clarissa ward joins us now. you know, life is so much more interesting and complicated than anyone ever imagines it's going to be. i mean, you would -- like, in the movie ending of that piece, that woman would say something against vladimir putin and that man would -- and thank the guy who brought her there. in reality, she has this very different opinion not based on any facts, clearly, and he yells at her, you know, not yells but sort of speaks firmly to her. it just, you know, it's just an interesting -- it's just interesting how life works out.
i'm not saying this very well, but i find it fascinating. >> baffling, baffling moment. no, believe me, i know exactly what you mean. as she was saying it, i was like, is my russian failing me? am i not understanding correctly, because it seems to me she is blaming america for this war, and then the two of them proceeded to have this back and forth argument. alexander, the volunteer, and this couple. and it was just extraordinary because you understood that for many people in the eastern part of ukraine, russian is their first language. they are still listening to russian television and radio, and in fact, when we were sort of spinning through the different radio channels in the car one day, we could pick up russian radio channels. and so they're being still spoon fed a diet of really intense russian propaganda. and you could hear, she was literally parroting the talking points that have been sort of trotted out on russian media.
but you also understand what an effective tool that was, because nothing alexander could say, he said to her, who brought the weapons in here? who attacked this country? who invaded? what are you talking about? and still she would just cycle through the same series of talking points that she had heard on the radio or on the television. so you realize how powerful that tool is to have such a hold on people who are really only getting their information from russian language media. >> what an extraordinary man alexander, to do this in this village that he doesn't want to leave, that he feels dedicated to, no matter who the people or what their opinions may be. i really appreciate the reporting as well. be careful. >> up next, former president barack obama reminding the nation today the continuous efforts to weaken democracy and repercussions that come and people lose trust in leaders. and with his warnings the disgust at the pred's actions on
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a speech at stanford this morning, former president barack obama gave a stark warning about efforts to undermine democracy while reminding the country of the former president's attempts to overturn the election. >> the fact is autocrats and aspiring strongmen have become emboldened around the globe. they're actively subverting democracy. they're undermining hard won human rights. they're ignoring international law. worse yet, democratic backsliding isn't restricted to dis distant lands. right here in the united states of america, we just saw a sitting president deny the clear results of an election. and help incite a violent insurrection at the nation's
capitol. not only that, but a majority of his party, including many who occupy some of the highest offices in the land, continue to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the last election. and are using it to justify laws that restrict the vote and make it easier to overturn the will of the people in states where they hold power. >> as president obama spoke on the support the former president received from republicans and the consequences it can bring, there are new reports showing how the top two republicans in congress changed their tone following the insurrection. according to a new book from alex burns and jonathan martin, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and house minority leader kevin mccarthy privately blasted the former president after january 6th. mccarthy reportedly told several other house republicans that, quote, what he did is
unacceptable. nobody can defend that, and nobody should defend it. and when speaking about the house impeachment vote against the former president with his adviers, mcconnell said the democrats are going to take care of him for us. perspective from alex burn and jonathan martin. alex, how minority leader kevin mccarthy put out a statement today responding to your reporting saying, quote, "the new york times" p's reporting on me is false and wrong. comes as no surprise that the corporate media is doing everything it can to further a liberal agenda. if the reporters were interested in truth, why would they ask for comment after the book is printed? what is your response? >> well, anderson, i think our response would be is we have iron clad confident in our sourcing on this information. and the sort of broad strokes attack on reporters, on the media is the kind of unconvincing denial that i think people have come to expect from kevin mccarthy on these kind of sensitive subjects.
what our reporting on this book shows there was a crucial window immediately after january 6th where the republican leadership in congress recognized the danger that donald trump posed to the country, and at least in private said they were going to do something about it, and then ultimately, they chose not to. and anderson, that should for every reader, every viewer who is interested in this book, it ought to be a clear signal about how they would behave if donald trump became president again. >> jonathan, you also reported mccarthy was telling fellow republicans privately he would push for the former president to resign, that he's, quote, had it with this guy, unquote. so how did he go from had it with this guy to how's it going guy down in mar-a-lago? >> well, we take readers, anderson, into the inner sankten of the capital, private rooms, conference calls, small meetings. this is where in the days after january 6th, kevin mccarthy is really considering breaking ties with donald trump. he was his biggest cheerleader
during his presidency, during trump's presidency, and in this moment he's thinking about breaking ties. and he's trying to figure out a way, how can i pull this off? but it becomes clear pretty quickly, anderson, that his fellow members of the house on the republican side aren't that interested. they just don't have the same antipathy toward trump that a handful of the kind of old guard folks in the party do. and the reason for that is because they are hearing from people back home, and their constituents just don't care about january 6th. they like trump. and so mccarthy takes that temperature. mccarthy is trying to figure out, how do i keep my flock happy? it turns out his flock did not want to walk away from president trump. so mccarthy does a 180 from those days after january 6th where he's telling his colleagues he's going to urge trump to resign, and instead, he decides to reembrace trump. he's down at mar-a-lago before
the month of january is over. >> alex, i also want to play a part of what mcconnell said on the senate floor justifying his vote to acquit the former president. >> but after intense reflection, i believe the best constitutional reading shows that article 2 section 4 exhausts the set of persons who can legitimately be impeached, tried, or convicted. it's the president, it's the vice president, and civil officers. we have no power to convict and disqualify a former office holder who is now a private citizen. >> but according to your reporting, mcconnell had told people privately, quote, if this isn't impeachable, i don't know what is. >> he did, and anderson, what's more, in our book we report that
mcconnell told his allies on january 11th that the -- this is a quote, there democrats are going to take care of this s.o.b. for us. that was a reference to the gathering momentum for impeachment in the house of representatives. if he had grave misgivings about the ability to convict somebody once they had left office, he certainly was not expressing them on january 11th, at which point it was very clear that any impeachment trial would extend past the end of donald trump's presidency. i think the story you see with mcconnell, it's somewhat more nuanced than you see with kevin mccarthy, but he takes the temperature of the senate republican conference. he hears from folks back home, his friends, his former colleagues. and of course, his voters. and he gets a pretty clear read on where the republican party is and where it isn't. where it wasn't at the time and where it clearly is not today is ready to go to war with donald trump. >> so interesting that window of time where they thought some of the old guard thought they could -- we saw with lindsey graham, the night when he took
to the floor, the night of the insurrection. you know, he was like, i wish it didn't end this way with him. and got yelled at, i think, the next day at the airport. getting the temperature from his constituents back home. and then reverses himself. >> and we have an entire chapter sort of chronicling the hours of january 6th, day and night, and then the immediate days afterwards. that week is so crucial from the 6th to the 13th when the house does impeach president trump because there's this moment there where you can sort of almost feel the plates seeming to shift. i emphasize seeming to shift. a lot of republicans who had never liked trump, anderson, they faked it for four years, and here was there chance to finally, in their eyes, get rid of somebody that they viewed as a cancer on their party, and they were going to take advantage of that. and it just turns out there wasn't the will. as the days went on and it got
further from january 6th, there was not the kind of appetite among people in the gop caucus to move on trump and to cut ties from him for good. but it's incredible in those first days what they were saying and doing behind the scenes. we go deep into that in the book, and how far away they moved from that sort of tough talk posture in the weeks to go. >> jonathan and alex, fascinating reporting. their book, this will not pass, trump, biden, and the battle for america's future, will be released on may 3rd. >> frustrations as residents of shanghai have been on lockdown for weeks, forcing some into government quarantine facilities and leaving others stuck in their homes. more on that ahead. ]] oven roasted cooold cuts cooold cuts
since the full city was put on a full covid lockdown. reported 11 new deaths and nearly 18,000 new cases, bringing the total to almost 450,000 cases. as china battles its biggest covid wave yet, their zero covid strategy is taking its biggest toll on residents and expats with no clear idea on when the lockdown will be lifted. >> reporter: test positive for covid-19 in shanghai, and chinese officials want you out of your home and sent to a government quarantine facility, assuming there's space. >> there's nowhere for them to send me. i'm not allowed to go in the hospital, and i have to stay here. >> reporter: american josh vine taken in early april to a pop-up tent outside a shanghai hospital. >> this is supposed to be like a nice hospital, and this is where i'm sleeping tonight. >> reporter: china's zero covid policy requires every positive case and close contact to be
isolated in the city inundated in a surge beginning in early march, there's been a scramble to build makeshift centers. the government evicted some residents from their homes so their apartments can be turned into quarantine facilities. people frustrated by the city's admittedly mangled and chaotic execution of a harsh lockdown and mass quarantine efforts. for expats it's even more difficult. >> positive about 12 days ago, there's no way i'm still positive. >> reporter: this recording widely shared on chinese social media, appearing to capture the agitation one german resident experienced with a shanghai local official, who called to apparently take him to quarantine for a second time. >> i have been in the camp already. they didn't want me. they sent me back home. it's ridiculous. it's a disgrace. >> yeah, yeah, i know. >> for you, for the government,
for shanghai, for china. it's a really good joke. so, come here, take a test, i'll be negative, and then we can talk. >> reporter: others left in covid limbo. >> the only way i can open by door is when i need to call my community and tell them i receive food because there's no other way i can get food from outside. >> reporter: gabriel, who asked he only use his first name fearing repercussions, spoke to was from his sealed apartment. his results were abnormal, never confirming he had covid. still, they kept him inside for days. a covid guard posted to keep him from leaving. >> just like they don't know what to do with foreigners or their system is not working with foreigners. the city has lost its shine. i don't know if it will ever recover. it feels like a completely different city. it's like we're going backwards in time. >> reporter: we found dozens of other expats trying to leave. one person writing, china used to really have it all. it's just not the ex-pat
friendly place it used to be. and this person saying, the first four and a half years were incredible. shanghai just isn't the same anymore. but some, like josh vaughn, eager to hang on. he's got too much invested in his company. >> i worked so hard on this. i put everything i have preparing myself for this moment, for this season. and it's almost like a make us or break us moment. >> so, small businesses aside like josh's there, economically on a bigger scale, anderson, there are already indications that leadership here is concerned. they're trying to come up with ways to restart factories and production without undermining beijing's zero covid policy. some of the solutions they don't see as sustainable. they want some of the companies to take on the liability of housing employees on site to test them and create their own covid bubbles. you've got to imagine a lot of western corporations are not happy with that approach. economically this year in chi narks you've got to look at the
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