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it premiers sunday at 10:00. thank you for joining. find our episodes on pod cast. search for "outfront." ac 360 starts now. good evening. it is not been a quiet night here in kyiv. just a short distance east of our location we heard two large explosions tonight. according to the foreign minister from russian cruise missiles. russia no longer has crews in the area. but the missiles can be launched from a distance. sometimes from the overed border in belarus. one landed in a neighborhood and serious damage to an apartment building. we don't know how many people were hurt there, reports are as many as ten injured. the video does appear to show someone or something being carried away in a makeshift stretcher.
ukraine foreign minister says the attack happened with un secretary general still in the capitol. earlier in the day the secretary general visited bucha and -- both sites of widespread atrocities during the russian occupation. tonight ukraine president zelenskyy said investigators have already identified ten russian servicemen as suspects in connection with with killings in bucha. president zelenskyy said their names are known and about to find them and anyone else responsible for atrocities in the invasion. the war goes on. american defense officials say russian and/or those forces made some progress in the east and signs they are getting somewhat better at certain operational and logistics scales. western officials familiar with the latest intelligence say it's not clear moscow will be able to implement changes needed to dominate there. they are however trying to impose whatever political and economic control they can in places that they do occupy. a newly installed russia friendly official said they will use the ruble as the official
currency. russian forces are threatening local educators and replaced tv channels with russian counter parts. the american ambassador to the organization of security and cooperation in europe said today the u.s. has information that russia plan to take over ukraine apparently includes gutting the country's government. setting up a new one and blocking current leaders from holding office again. back at home with vladimir putin nuclear threats hanging in the air, president biden asked congress for $33 billion in military economic and humanitarian assistance. for ukraine. >> we're not attacking russia. we're helping ukraine defend itself against russian aggression. and this is putin chose to launch the brutal invasion, he can make the choice to end it. our unity at home, our unity with our allies and partners, our unity with the ukrainian people is sending an unmistakable message to putin.
you will never succeed in dominating ukraine. >> more than most, it's a lot. reporting on the russian strikes in kyiv, cnn sam kylie and white house mj lee. we begin with matt here in kyiv. what do we know about the attack? >> wooe getting information in term of potential deaths. at least ten people have been injured as a result of this latest strike. we don't know exactly what russia was targeting in this area. we know that this strike once again affected a residential building. talking about an apartment building that caught fire. several pardon mes caught fire. ten people injured. we saw in the video someone being carried out. or something. in that stretcher. it's just yet another example of russia continues to target areas that are not on the front lines outside of the east and another example of russia targeting civilians areas. >> we should point out that
ukrainian officials are being very tight with information on this. they said there were five missiles. they only really said there was one that hit at or in a building. a 25 story apartment complex. and that's where the injuries took place. they haven't said about the others and there's i don't know if there's a reason for that. the ukrainian officials are kind of controlling access to the information. >> and usually do that. we saw that in lviv ten days ago. four missiles that day and it was similar. they with held a lot of information at first. in terms of where those missiles went, what the targets were and that's probably something we're seeing here. also keep in mind the possibility is that there are air defense systems that are active around kyiv. they have taken down missiles before and we have seen those explosions that were not far from where we were now. maybe ukrainian air defense systems had a role in that. ukrainian officials very tight lipped. >> you have been following a story about a young girl. >> this young girl is a story we first learned about by watching
russian state propaganda. one of lot and lots of people taken out of ukraine and sent to russian held areas of ukraine or russia itself. russia holds her up as a example of their humanitarian feelings during this war. we can show you her story. >> her new ipad is everything. she's 12 after all. the shiny screen is also a welcome distraction. from an ordeal no 12-year-old should ever have to endure. because just a few weeks ago the young ukrainian wasn't safe. like she is now in kyiv. in a hospital run by russian back separatists. forcibly separated from her family. when the russians first invaded mariupol, her dad was still alive. her mom died just after she was born. and when russian bombs started to fall, they sheltered in a neighbors basement. she recalls.
they hit the house where we were staying, she says. we were buried in the cellar. the rescuers took us out of the wreckage. her dad didn't emerge. now in a an orphan. she started to walk to try and find safety in chaos. and then, another explosion from a mine. my friends saw something on the ground, she says. she hit it accidently with her boot. military came after the explosion and took us to a hospital. we were bleeding. in some ways her journey was just beginning. in the chaos she was picked up by soldier she says spoke russian and brought to a russian held area. i was taken there at night. they took shrapnel out of me. out of my ear. i screamed and cried a lot. it was shortly after this happened that she learned about and reported the story. russia paraded it on state tv.
state propaganda showed images of her in a hospital. said she was being treated well. convinced she was being mistreated her family went public with her story. and it worked. a deal between russia and ukraine allowed her grandfather to travel to russia and bring her back to kyiv. where she told us what russians state tv did not. >> it's a bad hospital. the food there is bad. the nurses scream at you. the bed is bent like this. there wasn't enough space for all of us inside. >> none of that came out on russian state tv. her injuries have largely healed now. she'll stay in the hospital a little longer. it was there that someone gave her that ipad. after a presidential visit came bearing gifts this week. she didn't love all that attention. so for now, she wants to stee see her cat and spend time with
her grandfather. recovering from the horrors of war. one game at a time. >> such an extraordinary story. that a child has to go through this. >> it's horrible. the idea she's held up as something that russia did well. we have to remember the only reason she's put in that situation is because russian troops killed her dad and brought her there because of a war they started. it's a twisted narrative that exists. >> air raid sirens have been a constant sound this evening. and joining us as well. mj, president biden unvailed a proposal for a a huge package. $33 billion. can you talk about what's in it? >> $33 billion is a huge, huge price tag. let me give you a break down of what kind of money we're talking about. they're talking about some $20 billion that would be military and security assistance.
another $8.5 billion economic assistance. and then another $3 billion that would hopefully go toward humanitarian assistance. and just so that viewers can have a better sense of what kind of things we are talking about, what this money would actually translate to, a lot of it would be sort of the weapons and the equipment that ukrainian officials have been saying for so long. they need more of and need really fast. artillery, armored vehicles, antiarmor systems. things like that and also talking about basic daily necessities for the ukrainian people. like food and water, and medicine. u.s. officials have said this amount of money is allocated to get to the ukrainians for about five months and goes to show as much as u.s. officials have been talking for a while now that they do expect this conflict to be drawn out, to be protracted. it was just one more very stark reminder this is what u.s. officials are planning for for the time being.
this is going to be a long term conflict. >> senior u.s. intelligence officials said russia is making slow and uneven progress. in the donbas region and still having issues with logistics and supplies. does that match up with your reporting and obviously i hear the air raid sirens there. >> yes, the sirens i'm afraid are a natural part of life now. across many cities here. which arguably is one of the great prizes for the new phase what they're calling phase 2 of the russian invasion. is no stranger to not only these sirens but also out going antiaircraft missiles and sporadic explosions. look at how the russians are planning their campaign, this part of the world main thrust is coming at the moment from 20, 30 miles to the russian border. it's on the main road to
kharkiv. it's actually outside of this particular province. thrusting south in the direction of mariupol. many miles indeed all the way to get down there. and also coming southeast down the river. and we were on the other side of the river we brought you the report yesterday. very heavy shelling indeed in the town. they have the russians captured a town a little bit north of there. these are incremental gains, not really significant in any kind of permanent way. the mayor of mariupol -- told me the ore day that he believed main russian thrust will be coming next week. that is going to be very problematic for the ukrainians if they haven't gotten some of the very significant weapons that are being supplied by nato already here. it is something that they are able to hold the line with what
they have been given and what they have and manufactured themselves. if there is a significant russian threat thrust it will be difficult for them not least because they have dug in here since 2014. a lot of the defensive lines are very well established. that makes them solid and difficult to breech. it makes them immobile too. that is something that the ukrainians have to factor into defensive strategy. >> the attack that occurred here earlier. it's hard to ignore the fact that it occurred while the un secretary general was on the ground here. >> think about the message that sends. the russians, secretary general was just in moscow. >> two days ago. >> at the long table. and his goal was to open up humanitarian corridors. that was his mission. what the ukrainians were demanding. and immediately came down here to kyiv. the russians knew he was here and like the other day when u.s.
secretary of state and secretary of defense left and went by train and russians hit the train stations. the un secretary general is here and they sent a missile attack here. if you were hoping or thinking that maybe the secretary general made a lot of progress with the russians in terms of changing their behavior, i think it's safe to say based on the fact they sent a missile to the city where he is in right now, that maybe he didn't do very much progress. >> yeah. along the president biden will ask to strengthen u.s. law enforcement capability to seize property from russian oligarchs and i guess sell that property? or if it's money that they're seizing, give it all to ukraine. that's a major change in policy. is that even legal? >> yeah, this was an interesting part of his announcement today. that came in addition to that $33 billion funding request. it was a proposal that was put together by a number of
different agencies working together including the treasury department. doj and state department and commerce. and what essentially it would allow the u.s. to do is seize properties, assets from certain russian oligarchs. yachts and luxury properties. and then they would be able to liquidate the assets and find a way to get that money that has been liquidated directly to the ukrainian people. as you know very well, the u.s. has rolled out a number of sanctions and punishment essentially. economic punishment. on russian throughout the crisis. but this is new and that it creates a path way basically for the u.s. to be involved in seizing money and assets from the russians. and then direct that to actually help the ukrainians. now, when president was asked will all of the new actions could that be seen as es ka l.a. toir. could that be seen as the u.s.
engaging in a proxy war and he said we're prepared for whatever they do. >> thanks so much. next, we have been speaking with throughout the war, today we met her for the first time in her three young children in person. how she and they are holding up and her kids are coping with life in wartime. later a military experts, two army generals weigh in on the ongoing threat to kyiv. a massive aid package and race to rearm ukraine before russian forces figure out how to fight.
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foster the best in time. the welcome fact is ever too much or ever quite enough. we have seen plenty already. which is good whether it's volunteers bringing food to the elderly trapped by the filgting or workers scrambling to prepare track because it's a lifeline. or medical car in hospitals targeted by the enemy. or raising children in a basement while their father is in the war. that's what a woman has been doing while documenting her family's life for the world to see. for the first time talking about it face to face with us. >> after nearly two months of talking with her from the basement where she's been sheltering, today, we finally got to meet many person. at her home. >> how are you? >> nice to meet you.
>> her daughter is six months old. and seven and five. >> usually when you come to a ukrainian home you will be treated with -- i'm sorry. i didn't do this. for obvious reasons. we have the traditional easter bread. we can have it with coffee. if you are feeling like it. for me to to do the coffee i need your help. >> sure, okay. you have to know how to do this. >> well done. you are doing great. >> now there's only sporadic shelling in kyiv. she spends her days with the
kids in her apartment. schools are still closed. but she takes some classes online. >> come back to the shelter for the night. i sleep in the shelter. stay on high alert. listening to the noise. and shelter and i'm like okay i close my eyes and can relax. >> she's been documenting her family's experience in the shelter throughout the war on her you tube channel. called what is ukraine. >> i'm alive. this is my daughter. she's sleeping. >> providing an intimate and often emotional account of what she and her country are going through.
>> help us. our forces they are not endless. we need help. >> the fighting has for now moved further east. the war never feels far away. >> what they have done to us, in bucha, in mariupol. now i'm -- >> even children here know the names of cities where atrocities have been committed. >> this is my neighbor. >> she worries about her husband serving in the territorial defense force in kyiv. but today, there is sunshine. and times take the kids to the playground. >> how are you feeling now about the future? >> the future. since the first day of the war i had no doubt that ukraine will win. the question is only when. and how many people will die
before it happens. >> when you were talking about mariupol and they both started naming other cities where terrible things happened, the extent which kids absorbed what is happening here is really noticeable. >> i was not hiding information from them. i want them to know and remember what has happened to ukraine. because what has happened should not be forgotten. and should not be forgiven. i want them to know why this happened. and i want them to be free people. i do not want them to be slaves. if the first weeks, i put many phone numbers on their bodies. i put my phone number. my husbands. my sister. >> you would draw it on their skin? >> i wrote it on the body. on the hands. if i die, then okay if --
another phone number of my sister in kyiv. who else can take care of them. i will put like their grandmother she's in odesa. maybe she'll survive. >> you had to think about that. >> and this is what many mothers do here. >> do you feel safe now? >> no. i don't. of course i'm not like crying all the time anymore. i can sleep right now at night. i can eat food. i do not feel safe because the sky is not closed. and this air attack that can happen any time, any place. there is nowhere safe in ukraine. of course the fact you came, that american embassy is coming. it gives hope that it is coming safe.
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today president zelenskyy said missile strikes on kyiv that occurred earlier this evening as well as other ukrainian cities are proof that quote one cannot relax yet. one cannot think the war is over. that's certainly not. strikes in kyiv occurred as un secretary general was wrapping up a visit to the capitol. in the east today u.s. and nato officials say russian forces had made progress and as we reported earlier, calling that progress quote slow and uneven. but progress none want less. one defense official told cnn the u.s. assessment the units are in worse shape than expected. joined by retired general. a former u.s. defense to russia. and retired lieutenant general. the cnn military analyst. general hurtling, what's your reaction to the missile attack on kyiv? especially when the secretary general was still here. >> doesn't surprise me. it's what russians have been doing ever since this start of the war. they continue to attack when foreign dig tears are in the
country and attempt to show force. and it truthfully is their again their way of war. they don't care who is in the country. what diplomacy is attempted to be played out. they continue what they're doing as more threats. they could certainly not do this when a visiting dignitary is in the country. but continue to do it. >> i want to talk about what's happening in the east. u.s. officials call the progress made by russia slow and uneven. and maybe i'm a catastrophe. i pay attention to them making progress. even if it is slow and uneven. how concerning is that, what you make of what's happening in the east? >> there's several as pelkts of it. first there's the direct east west fight along the contact line which is heavy artillery, pretty static. and world war onish. a lot of trenches and not a lot
of movement. as you suggest, coming down from the north, down from all of that it's a grind it out in my mind, i'm trying to visualize it. where you have artillery, you have russian tanks. infanty tri. but a grind. it's hard to visualize the death and destruction and the the grinding up of the units including russians and certainly ukrainians. but in the north, on that pimpker that looks to come in behind, there will be a defense in depth. and the ukrainians probably given as as much as they are taking and how long will it take before either breaks and probably could be the russians and from the south, the same grind. this is bloody, there are a lot of losses. russian units are already battered. i don't know how long they're sta
staying power and of course we worry about the ukrainians will. they have the will to fight. >> general, how do you see it? one of my concerns is that it's very difficult for reporters to get access to the front lines and without images of what is happening, people are around the world stop paying attention. and start to see what's the kyiv seems safe. there was a missile attack today. and stop paying attention. how do you view the fighting in the east and russia's chances? >> this truthfully is exactly what i expected to happen. we talked about this a few weeks ago. we were focussed on the regeneration of forces it didn't make sense. what russia likes to do is concentrate artillery in large barrages. there's two way to react to that. if you are the ukrainians. you either can counter fire and shoot artillery back and try knock out guns. or you get out from under the ammunition that is explodesing
around you. because of the ukrainians do not have as much ammunition for their russian guns, and they haven't yet received in mass the american and nato guns that are coming their way. with the ammunition. the only option ukrainian has is to pull back away from the defensive line. then what happens is the russians will send in reconnaissance force. small tanks and infantry. to see what's out there. and they will feel their way around the battlefield and say, is there a hole here? can we push larger size forces through? and what's been happening and fascinating to me because it's what i anticipated. russia is using the artillery to find that hole and breakthrough that front to develop the holes. they send small unit forces in, and then ukrainian forces as peter said, having a defense in depth they push them back. until the ukrainians have the
massive artillery to counter the russians, i know what john said today he said it's getting there. it takes a long time to field the equipment in combat. it takes longer than you anticipate. until the ukrainians get that artillery, they're not going to conduct the dual that's required. so it's going to be a back and forth probably a week or two or three. until the ukrainians can actually develop the situation and continue to push back the russian forces. the last thing i say, i'm sorry for this, we still see as so many people are saying the russian forces that regenerated force is not as good as the first ones that came through in the north. and that one was pretty bad. >> just briefly. what is the difficulty of fielding artillery in combat? >> well, what i'll tell you in
iraq i had to field trucks. to counter the ied. you have to train the soldiers. trucks don't have triggers and employ them with computers. and you don't to link them to radar. you have to drive them. the difficulty is this is a system the kind of nato system ts coming in are very different than the russian systems ukrainians have been using. they will learn it. no doubt in my mind. to pull the trigger and get the round where you want it, to become familiar with the fire control mechanism. and manipulate the gun. that's part of the training that is required. ukrainians will do it, it will take time. plus, you also have to dif vi up ammunition along the 300 mile frontage that he was talking about. that's a big distance. you can't just put them all in one spot and say okay take your guns and go back to your location and start firing. it takes time to distribute, process, to train.
>> i appreciate the expertise. thank you. coming up. despite u.s. out rage of the war, one american is finally free after year in russian custody. what does it mean for other u.s. citizens still being held there? >> the brother of one american detainee joins me next. of plac. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] i'm a fancy exercise bike noobie. and i've gone from zero to obsessed in like... three days. instructor: come on milwaukee! i see you! after ding twelve miles to nowhere, i'm taking a detour. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could be working out a way to pay for this yourself. get allstate and be better protected from mayhem for a whole lot less.
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tonight after more than two years the russian custody, american trevor reed is back on u.s. soil. he arived at an aair force base in texas this morning. that's him in the dark shirt and pants reuniting with his family. he's getting care. health problems and the activism and sags here in ukraine helped convince president biden to approve a prisoner swap with russia. tonight two other americans are still detained in russia. wnba player britney griner and paul wailen. serving a 16 year prison sentence after trial that u.s. officials called unfair. he was arrested on espionage charges in 2018. but strongly denied the claims saying he's a tourist. in a statement, we asked why was i left behind. i'm pleased trevor is home, his family i have been held on a fictitious charge for 40 months. world knows this charge is fabricated. why hasn't more been done to
secure my release? david is his twin brother joining me now. thank you. i'm sorry we're under these circum circumstances. i know you are pleased for the trevor reed. what answers do you have for your brothers questions of why not him. >> we have more questions. we don't know why not him. it's not clear why the government did have a concession they were willing to make. why they didn't try to bring home more americans. and there maybe a very good reason for that. but we don't have the answer. >> as you know, his parents met with president biden after a public campaign for his administration to do more to get their son released. particularly because of health concerns. the only family of a prisoner detained in russia to meet with the president. does your family want or expect to meet with the president? is that something you have been trying to do? >> yes, my sister has made numerous requests to meet with the president and none of them
have been responded to. >> your brother said russian officials from the very beginning of his detention. this is really fascinating detail that russian officials from the moment he was taken, mention the names of two russian prisoners that they planned to swap him for. or would swap him for. one was the russian prisoner swapped for trevor reed. and you can see in the video him actually passing mr. reed on the tarmac on the left during the swap. the other is an arms dealer named victor boot. nicknamed mer chchant of death. do you have hopes that swap will happen? could that be done? >> i don't think i could see that swap happening. it under lines a problem i think we are facing now. which is that the u.s. government has known pretty much since day one of paul's detention. which is 1,200 days. there were at least two people
that the russian government wanted names that have come up over and over gagain. as well as others in the american judicial system and american prisons. and it's not really clear why it takes three years for the u.s. government for the white house to make these sort of decisions. why they aren't moving faster. and aren't gathering information about the concessions russians want that the u.s. government might be willing to make. again, more questions. >> what kind of conditions is your brother being held in? >> he's in one of the stalen era labor camps. about eight hour drive from moscow. a drive that a number of abss have made to see him. because they feel this is unjust including ambassador sullivan. he spent six days a week making textiles. some clothing for a purchaser. suffers human rights abuses, suffers corruption, having to make bribes to guards in order to make phone calls to our
parents. things like that. it's a very difficult life. >> how often is he able to talk to your parents? >> so far, so good. it's been almost daily. he has to make a request every day. so far the certainly the new warden has been approving them. the last one was removed for corruption and arrested in the prison for corruption. and we were able to put money on before the russian invasion of ukraine. so there are sanctions on the government and difficulty in moving money into russia, he currently has money on his phone card and can call for another couple months at least. >> what do you want folks in the white house, people in the united states should know about your brother? >> that he is one tough cookie. and he realizes that although yesterday was disappointing, we get the sense already that he's regrouping. and he will continue to focus one day at a time. i think it would be beneficial
for our family and probably families of all detainees not only in russia, there are maybe three or four dozen american families who have loved ones in variety of countries around the world. being held hostage. waiting for the u.s. government to make concessions to secure their release. that the white house, the administration would be up front with the family and give us information to allow us to manage expectations and expectations of loved ones. so that when releases do happen, they aren't taken unaware and left to wonder why not them. why are they left while others are freed. >> david, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. we'll continue our ukraine coverage in a moment. coming up a promising out look in the battle against covid with moderna seeking emergency use authorization for vaccine for children ages five and under. details next.
a potentially significant advance in the fight against covid today. moderna is seeking emergency use authorization from the fda for a covid vaccine for children between six months and five years old. the timeline is potentially promising. according to moderna officials, the fda is expected to move fast and said they would release a time line for committee meetings in the next week. if it's authorized by the fda, vaccine advisers to the cdc will vote on if it should be ec are mended. joining me now is dr. sanjay gupta. what did moderna's trial show, and when do you think kids in this age group may be able to be vaccinated? >> yeah, so, you know, first of all, there have been a lot of parents waiting, anderson, people who i have who have newly minted 2-year-olds, for example, may have been awaiting this data. when you think about this particular vaccine, you're talking about a much smaller
dose, first of all, of the vaccine. it's 25 micrograms. the typical dose for an adult is 100 micrograms. they gave two of those doses, and here's what they found. they found that the kids were developing significant antibodies to the vaccine, similar antibody levels to what adults have. if you look at the overall efficacy -- and what this means is how likely were children who got the vaccine to develop an infection that caused any sort of symptoms at all. they found there was 51% efficacy for six months to two years. and it dropped to 37% for two to five years. most people have been used to hearing over 90%. these numbers a lot smaller. they do track with how these vaccines have been performing with adults against omicron. it's sort of similar to that. there weren't safety concerns either. so, it's a small trial, but it was enough data that moderna feels, as you pointed out, that
they can go ahead and submit to the fda. timeline is hard to tell. at one point they said they weren't going to have one of these meetings until june, but as you said, they're probably going to accelerate this advisory committee meeting and then make a recommendation to the cdc. >> what do you say to parents -- and it's an understandable concern -- look, if covid's not so bad in kids in this age range, is it worth any potential risk of getting the vaccine? or is there a risk? >> well, i mean, i think everything's a risk/reward relationship. but i don't think there's really a significant safety concern here. you know, there was concerns about myocarditis. that's something that we talked about in people who are older, late teens, early 20s. but we haven't seen that risk in younger children and not in this age group either. so, it's really a question more of the reward. what i would say is, look, when we look atom kron, it is a very
contagious virus. let me show you what is happening in terms of the overall numbers of children who are becoming infected. if you track it along, you see that's the red line there. i don't know if you can see that. it's gone up pretty significantly over the past few months. so, there's a lot of kid who getting infected. it is true that they are very unlikely to be hospitalized or die, although over the last 30 months now since we've been talking about this, anderson, there have been over 1,000 children who have died of this. it's mucher than the adults, but taken by itself, it's still a large number. 130 or so kids die of flu every year. children died of chickenpox. we made sure people got vaccinated for those things. it's small numbers compared to adults. as things stand now, about a third of parents say they're going to do this right away. a third of parents say they won't do it ever. and there's about a third that are in the middle, wait and see.
>> i would absolutely vaccinate my child, my kids. what if your child is to have covid? should they get the vaccine when it's available or wait? >> i've just got to say wyatt, who i adore, i love these pictures of him. i know he had covid. i hope he's doing okay. so i assume you're asking also as a dad. >> yeah, yeah, he had it when i got it. i gave it to him. and unfortunately. and he was fine. he had a slight cough and, you know, kids that age don't know how to blow their nose which is not something i realized until i had kids that way. other than having to suck the mucus out of his nose with a thing, he -- which he didn't really -- he actually came to enjoy. but it was fine for him. but i'm wondering, do you have to wait a long time? that's actually him when he just tested positive there. yeah. so adorable. i lost my train of thought because i was looking at him. >> well, in terms of whether --
>> so, if you're positive, when do you need to get the vaccine? yeah. >> yeah, i mean, you know, i think what you'll hear from the pediatric community is that he should still get vaccinated. i think there's some schools of thought that say you can wait. he should have some immunity here. so, he should have some immunity from that. it could be reasonable to wait a bit. but the thing about immunity from infections is it's really hard to predict. you know, it's sort of all over the map in terms of how robust it is. i think for someone like him, you know, potentially at least one shot, you know, within a couple of months. and then, you know, sometimes there's a concern about a false surge. you know whr, when the weather cooler and dryer, there are increase in respiratory viruses. sometime before that surge happens, it would probably make a lot of sense for him to get vaccinated. >> all right. dr. sanjay gupta, appreciate it. thanks for showing those pictures. that's a nice surprise. well, from here in ukraine
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