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this hearing tomorrow and the expectations are very high. at this point the committee is doing nothing to downplay those expectations. >> come on, i know you know something. who is it? >> we have an idea of who it may be. we are not ready to report it quite yet. >> you're serious? you do have an idea. >> there is some reporting that cnn is not ready to confirm as of yet. but, you know, suffice to say that we know that the committee has had conversations with individuals who had a very close working relationship with high-level members of the administration, that their testimony is already proven to be a very important part of the committee's investigation and that some of these individuals we have already seen through part of their video depositions. so there is the distinct possibility that it could be someone in that realm.
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again we are still attempting to try to figure out and nail down exactly who this testimony is. don, they have been so careful to not release this information. even high-level staffers, people that have very close relationships with the actual members of the committee themselves, have not been looped in on this because they want to keep this information as quiet as possible. we are working to get it confirmed. when we do, you will be one of the first to know. >> i was joking around with you about you know something. >> we are always reporting. you know that. >> you are always on top of it. ryan, thank you, sir. appreciate it. we are now just hours away from that surprise hearing, january 6th committee has slated for tomorrow. cnn's senior legal analyst and former u.s. attorney doug jones. good evening, senator. i don't know why i said attorney. you are an attorney, aren't you? >> both. >> i was going so say. >> absolutely. both. >> i was right. i shouldn't have corrected myself. thank you for joining. cnn has learned the committee is concerned about the security of
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a potential witness ahead of tomorrow's hearing. you heard ryan talk about that. serious risk to whoever may be testifying tomorrow? >> yeah, that may be. there is a lot of tension and strong feelings about the hearings and people have different sides and we have seen throughout the course of the first number of hearings most of the people who are testifying are folks who are republicans, in trump's orbit, who will make people very upset and angry, including the former president of the united states if they testify truthfully. there may be other reasons why they are trying to keep this secret. you want to maximize the surprise effect, the news effect. if it's the case that someone in trump camp is the person testifying and is going to be saying things that will upset her former employer or employers, you want to give that person every ability to sort of sit with their own thoughts and recollections without being hampered by people trying to talk them out of it, nerves, cold feet.
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aside from, you know, pure security matters, i think prudence dictates you want to keep this as secret as long as possible, especially if the testimony is going sensational. as the committee seems to be signaling it will be. >> senator, the committee held two blockbuster hearings last week. of course, the effort to pressure the vice president, mike pence. and now we have this mystery hearing tomorrow. is this about keeping that momentum going? what do you think is happening here? >> well, it seems clearly that's part of it. i mean, they decided they were going to wait until after the july 4th recess, which would have been the next hearing sometime in the middle of july. but at some point there comes a time when you look and you see this new evidence. and i think it's not unusual for hearings like this, grand jury investigations, whatever, when people see other witnesses
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coming forward, they get a little bit emboldened. in some cases they may get a little bit concerned because they may have had some involvement that they didn't really think might be a problem, and all of a sudden in they start connecting the dots they think they may have a problem. that's one thing. they could get emboldened. i don't think it's unusual to see witnesses come forward in the middle of a hearing like this. i think clearly this is something really important that the committee believes they are going to continue to put these pieces of the puzzle together, connect these dots and to make sure that their momentum is going -- they have done an amazing job of telling a story in a very factual matter of fact way, and i think that they want to continue that and not have a two or three-week lull when the news gets on something else and they can continue to make sure that the american public knows and fully understands what happened before, during and after january 6th. >> let's talk about some of
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ryan's reporting here. the federal agents seizing the phone of a former president trump's election attorney john eastman last week. that is a high bar to get permission to take that phone and stop him in front of a restaurant. what would investigators be looking for? >> well, it's unclear to me at this moment if this is largely or purely an investigation relating to the office of the inspector general that looks at the propriety of the conduct of people at the department, sometimes merely issues reports, looks at issues of waste, fraud and abuse, or if it's also or in addition to that what we have been looking for. a high-level investigation by the fbi and a particular u.s. attorney's office into the events surrounding the insurrection. so it's not clear. it is a very high bar. particularly because this person not only purported to represent, you know, another person, but that person was the former president of the united states and there are all sorts of
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precautions and permissions you need to get and clearance you need to secure in order to conduct that kind of a search. i also don't think that the fruits of labor will be immediately known as we have seen in other cases involving michael cohen and others who are, you know, practicing lawyers, who have claims of privilege, whose devices have been taken. rudy giuliani's also, for example. it takes some time to figure out a way to make sure that prosecutors and investigators don't get access to attorney/client privileged information. so that takes time. it's a significant step. unclear at this moment precisely what it means. >> andrew mccabe talked about, i guess, the file number, the case number. it was something that was -- that led him to believe there was something other than might be the standard investigation because of that. is you see that segment? is you understand that? >> i didn't see file number. i wasn't fed the file number. >> there was something about -- >> i defer to andy on that. that led him to believe that it was, you know, had something to do with an inspector general or
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the fbi that was something that was unusual. i found it was fascinate. i will get clarification from him. remember the committee showed testimony from the rnc chairwoman, romney mcdaniel, saying trump called her to use fake electors and trump passed the phone to john eastman. listen to this. >> he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gathers these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. i think more helping them reach out and assemble them. but my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them. helping them in that role. >> so what does it mean if eastman was acting as trump's direction and how do
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investigators figure that out? >> well, don, remember, you know, this all -- all this information about -- i say all the information. the information generally about fake electors has been out there for a long time. i don't think this is an expense of an fbi or a doj investigation. i think it's just a next step. and, again, every investigation they are putting pieces of a puzzle together and trying to connect everything to each other. they are connecting the former president to john eastman. i think that these phone calls, text messages, whatever is on his phone that they -- they believe that there is some connection there to other individuals, whether it's the former president. it could be the wife of a supreme court justice. we don't know just yet. but the fact of the matter is all of this information is going in to be assimilated by the filibuster because there is clearly, clearly a potential out
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there at the time that an entirely new set of election electors in different states was going to be submitted to the vice president of the united states in order to try to get him to certify as the appropriately elected electors, electors that were never elect the. and that is, i think, a really problematic thing for eastman and a number of individuals. that seems to be the kind of false statement, that is the kind of obstruction that doj is looking at in this criminal activity. >> thank you very much. >> another point? >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, eastman is a significant figure for another reason, he is a contrast to donald trump. one of the things we have been talking about, how do you prove that donald trump knew the claim of the false election was sincerely held, right? john eastman is someone we know from conversations reported and revealed. he understood that under some of
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the plan he was advocating might violate the electoral count act. he understood and revealed to other people with respect to the arguments he was making, it would fail probably 7-2 in the supreme court and then he admitted 9-0 in the supreme court. we know he had real knowledge he was pushing bs. to the extent you connect that knowledge and understanding and state of mind to trump, if there were communications, you get a little bit closer to showing that trump understood that what he was doing was false and fraudulent and not sincere and that goes a long way to proving his mental state. >> thanks, gentlemen. see you tomorrow. we'll know who it is tomorrow. now to our other top story tonight. chaos, confusion across the u.s. with multiple states banning abortions after the supreme court ruling overturning roe v. wade. ron brownstein joins me now. ron, hello, sir. there is a lot of confusion. the supreme court's ruling is, you know, illustrating the deep cultural divide in our country
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and it is much bigger even than this huge decision. explain how that is. >> yeah. look, you know, if you look at the 20,000 foot level, the story of the middle decades. 20th century, broadly speaking, was of convergence between what we think of as the red states and blue states, both in terms of the outcomes, the economic opportunity, the people had living in them. more importantly, in harmonizing the rights that were available to people in every state. i mean, we saw beginning with brown versus board of education, the civil rights act, all of those landmark supreme court decisions, contraception, interracial marriage and one man one vote and of course abortion. basically, reduced the ability of states to restrict the rights available to their citizens and establish more of a common floor of rights that were available to everyone everywhere. we are clearly now moving into
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the opposite direction. as i have written, what we are watching is a systematic effort to reverse and erase the rights revolution of the past six decades. you have a three-step process. the supreme court pulling the rug out or rescinding a national right. the voting rights act, now with abortion. maybe in the future on same-sex marriage. then red states rushing to roll back the right in law. and finally you have republicans in the senate wielding the fbi -- filibuster to prevent democrats from restoring that right through national legislation. people forget the house has already passed legislation to codify roe, establish lbgtq rights and voting rights that would override what a lot of the states are doing. those have been blocked in the senate by the filibuster. we may see that repeated in the next few weeks if the house votes to codify rights like same-sex marriage, interracial marriage and contraception.
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>> you write what is becoming clear is the trump era gop is hoping to use electoral dominance of the red state, small slate bias in the electoral college and senate and gop appointed majority of the supreme court to impose the economic and social model on the nation with or without majority public support. how long do you expect this to last? >>le i think the 2020s will be the most difficult decades since the 1850s. what we're watching in all of these red states that are banning abortion, making it tougher to vote, making it easier to ban books, classroom censorship, rolling become lgbtq rights, that a great divergence, a reversal of the last 60 years in the rights revolution. i believe that is only the way station and the goal is to impose the red state values and laws on the blue states as well.
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you see mike pence saying they want a national law to ban abortion everywhere. i suspect you will see laws to prevent the teaching of race and gender -- >> wait, i thought they said they wanted to send it back to the states because the states should be deciding these things. why would they want to have a federal ban then if it's the states they are trying to get to? >> i mean, because i think the -- you know, you could see it in the supreme court, right. the supreme court on the one hand is saying that blue states have to be prevented from infringing on rights that conservatives prize like gun ownership and religious liberty into these cases today in washington and the new york case. on the other hand, we are going to empower, authorize the red states to infringe on rights that liberals prize, like abortion and voting and potentially the others that clarence thomas threatened in his concurrence. and i think the same is true at
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the senate in the congress. i mean, the end -- you know, i wrote in that story that if you think about the south during the era of jim crow, it's political priority at the federal level was primarily defensive. it was to keep the federal government from overturning segregation in their states. they weren't trying to export it, segregation, to california or new york. what we are more is like the south in the 1850s when the goal was offensive, was to expand slavery into more states, including potentially the free states, who imposed their system on the whole country. and as i said in the story, i think the trump -- the trump movement is more like john calhoun and richard russell. it envisions bringing this vision of america to all of america. and with or without majority support. of course, that's where it fits into the investigation that's underway with the january 6th committee by any means necessary moving forward this agenda on the grounds it represents the real america, you know, the kind
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of america deeply rooted in our history and tradition. the court is taking this idea to a literal extreme by essentially saying if it was not in law in the 1860s, then it's not protected under the constitution today. >> oh, boy. there is so much to talk about there and say. i got to run. i got breaking news. i got to get to break. the secret witness, i've got a name for you right after this. and since pain relievers may affect blood pressure, they can't just take anything for their pain. tylenol® is the #1 dr. recommended pain relief brand for those with high blood pressure. if you have questions on whether tylenol is right for you, talk to your doctor. these folks don't have time to go to the post office they use stamps.com all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again.
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so as i said on the other side of the break, just into cnn, this is news about tomorrow's january 6th committee hearing. cnn's ryan nobles back with us. ryan, i was asking you a few minutes ago if you knew who was going to be testifying, the prize witness.
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you said you were working on it. and, well, true to your word, you have it. what is it? >> cnn can confirm that cassidy hutchinson, who was a former aide to the former white house chief of staff mark meadows will be the surprise witness at tomorrow's january 6th hearing, which is going to take place tomorrow at 1:00 eastern time. i want to give credit to our colleagues at "punchbowl news." they were the first to break this. we were able to quickly confirm it and we had been chasing this news all day today. hutchinson is a significant figure, don. as i alluded to in our report earlier before we were officially able to nail down hutchinson as the witness, this is someone who we have heard from as part of these hearings. she has shown up, video clips of her from her closed-door depositions it that took place with the committee where she has talked about the things she learned as being someone that was in very close proximity to mark meadows after the election and leading up to the events of january 6th.
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if you are trying to place her, the most obvious would be she was the witness who detailed that list of republican lawmakers who saw pardons through the trump administration in the closing days of their time in the white house. so she is significant. the other thing, too, don, two really important things that i think are important and could lend some information about just how revealing she may be in her testimony tomorrow. first off, she went back to the committee on multiple occasions. go in for a closed door interview, reveal information and then volunteered to come back and speak to investigators when she thought of other details or put together certain pieces of information as part of what they were learning about. secondly, she changed attorneys just in the last month. she was aligned with an attorney that was closer to the trump orbit, the trump world, and figures in the trump world, and she is with a new attorney who
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many legal experts thought may be someone that was putting her in a position to be more reveal with the committee and provide information that they were looking for. so those details in particular really lend to the fact she could be a very, very important witness and reveal information that we have not learned up to this point, ryan nobles, thank you very much. significant news. appreciate that. i want to bring in cnn political commentator alice stewart and guy cecil, the chairman of priorities usa and former director of the senate committee. let's talk about cassidy hutchinson, the significance of her testifying tomorrow. >> she is very close to, you know, the heartbeat of the presidency. and being with mark meadows, she knows where all the skeletons are buried. you have to remember what we've heard about mark meadows' involvement in this. so many people were texting him
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on january 6th saying tell him to stop, and also have him acknowledge that president trump lost the election. she will have inside information on that. and hearing today through different sources, people i have talked with, the security has been heightened. that leads you believe she is providing information that may be unwelcomed by the previous administration. and to ryan's point, her getting rid of her previous legal counsel and seeking other legal counsel that may allow her to cooperate more fully with this investigation, that's going to say a lot. look, who have we heard the most damaging information from? it hasn't been democrats on this partisan committee so to speak. it's been republicans. republican insiders. family members and senior aides have provided the most damning information against the former president and she knows a lot of it. >> the inner circle really. >> right. >> let's talk about the other things. i want to talk about roe v. wade
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and the messaging out of the white house. by the way, good evening to both of you. guy, welcome. i want to talk to you about the dana bash's interview with the vice president, kamala harris, vowing that the white house will do everything to help women in post-roe world. more from this exclusive interview now, let's watch. >> we will do everything within our power as administration to make sure women have access to the medication they need which has been, by the way, fda approved, and that they will have freedom of travel and that that travel should be unrestricted. >> you are going to do that through the courts if need be? >> i am sure that our department of justice is going to do that based on every statement that the attorney general has made. >> she didn't offer many details. the draft rule overturning roe leaked almost two months ago. why doesn't the white house have a messaging plan or strategy by now, guy? >> there are two pieces.
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first is the immediate need which is being implemented by democratic governors around the country. in places like illinois who are surrounded by states where now abortion is illegal or minnesota. trying to make sure that people have access, that there is funding, making sure that telehealth is available to neighboring states and they are a place of welcome for people trying to seek the medical care that just a couple of days ago they were allowed to have. the second piece though, and i want to be clear about this, there aren't a lot of short-term solutions that can happen at the federal level. we can make sure there is unrestricted travel, that people have access to the medicine, but there will not be systemic change until we get it two more seats in the united states senate and pass legislation to send to the president to codify roe v. wade. that is the only way we will have long-term consistent change and go back to what we had a couple days.
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>> the messaging, i don't think there are many options federally for democrats right now. my question was specifically about messaging to the white house. there is really nothing -- >> i think the messaging is simple, that the lines are very clearly drawn. the democratic house has passed legislation, a majority of democrats in the senate support that legislation. democratic governors are fighting back even in places where they face a republican legislature and meantime republicans at every turn are deciding that guns and corporations now have more rights than american women and girls. >> republicans at every turn have fought for 50 years for the humanity of the child. that's what this is about. protecting the humanity of the child and the unborn. and we have been fighting this fight ever since roe was enacted and every time we have the opportunity to seek elections. look, what the vice president said in terms of trying to get congress to codify this and institute a national ban on abortion, that's not going to
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happen. that's not going to happen. the supreme court has said this is not in our purview, put it to the states. this is how democracy works best. >> just a moment. you have mike pence saying, who is campaigning, right, we know he is campaigning he wants to codify anti-abortion legislation into law. so, you know, you have the president, the democrats saying they want to codified pro-abortion language or getting, you know, making it legal. mike pence wants to make it illegal. >> look, clearly both sides have what they want to do. pro-life side wants to protect life and pro-abortion wants to provide abortion. we can't have what the democrats want to do is the women's health protection agent. that is horrible for the unborn children. this would provide abortions without consent of parents. could you imagine having a teenage daughter who needed to have an abortion and the parents didn't have consent? >> i could if that daughter was a victim of rape or incest in
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case your party will allow, force that 13-year-old girl to carry her rapist child to term. i just -- this idea that, you know, i -- i want to clarify one thing. i think the vice president said it well. the difference between clarence thomas and the rest of the court is that clarence thomas said outloud and mike pence said what many republicans will not say. they want the national -- if they really believe -- if they really believe what is happening is a murder, it is inconsistent for you to say a national ban is not the next step. and republicans care about life until the child is born. >> no, here's -- >> and that's where they drop -- >> here's the -- >> i want to ask this -- >> since -- >> final statement because -- >> the other option is what democrats want. you -- democrats are fine with abortion up to delivery. that's unfathomable that they certainly -- >> this is --
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>> that is absolutely on the table -- >> how many cases of a woman having an abortion at delivery -- how many in just give me a number. >> democrats are fine with that though -- >> this is a stocking horse of the republican party. instead of giving women the rights, you want to give mike pence and clarence thomas the rights over a majority of american women that want to choose their own reproductive health choices. >> okay. more to come. we'll discuss. thank you both. appreciate it. we'll be right back.
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voters in colorado going to the polls tomorrow in that state's primary elections and two election deniers on the ballot. more now. >> reporter: through the doors of this grand junction, colorado, hotel, with just hours left before the primaries, a crowd of activists gather for what amounted to an election conspiracy forum hosted by
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mypillow ceo featuring 2021 election denier and republican colorado secretary of state candidate tina peters. >> if they don't cheat, i'm in. >> reporter: not just a headliner here. she has made headlines across colorado for the last year. >> let go of me! >> reporter: this is peters in february, one part of a long saga of investigations. a grand jury indicted her on multiple felony counts stemming from an election security breach. she has pleaded not guilty. as part of the investigation confidential forensic images of voting machine drives appeared on a qanon channel. she is barred from overseeing the county's elections this year. instead -- >> i'm run to be your secretary of state to make that happen. >> reporter: she is on tuesday's ballot running to oversee elections in the whole state. >> i'm not an election conspiracy theorist. when people came to me and i listened. i listened to the people.
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that's how i got involved. >> reporter: what do you say to critics like your opponents who say you are simply raising lies? >> oh, i like that one. well, i want to run on being accurate, transparent and a voice for the people. >> reporter: also on the far right republican ticket state representative ron hanks running for the u.s. senate, a 2020 election denier, proudly shares this image of himself in washington on january 6th. in his campaign video he wheels out a copier with the words dominion voting machine. a widespread conspiracy lie that the machines were rigged against donald trump. >> i'm ron hanks and i approved this message. >> reporter: what happens if republicans nominate these candidates? >> you can kiss this election goodbye. >> reporter: in blue leaning colorado, they can't win. that's why republicans are now seeing this.
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>> how conservative is ron hanks? >> reporter: millions of dollars boosting his credentials paid for by the democrats. >> democratic colorado is responsible for the content of this advertising. the democrats spending this much money to nominate the weakest candidates is smart. i mean, i think it's unethical, but smart. frankly, it has moved voters. >> dumped so much money into this. >> reporter: joe o'day, a businessman and supporter of abortion rights is not just fighting democrats boosting his competitor, but also millions to tear him down. he can't even get through a campaign event at a restaurant. >> there is my commercial. >> reporter: without a negative ad running in the background. >> why are they targeting you with so much cash? >> they know i can win and they are going to have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to beat me. they are looking for somebody who can't win here in november. focused on an election that was
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stolen an focused on things that don't matter to working americans right now. >> reporter: we reached out to the democratic super pac that is behind this big spend and they say so what? the spokeswoman for democratic colorado says, quote, we are an organization committed to ensuring that colorado doesn't elect a republican to the u.s. senate. both gop candidates are totally out of step with our values and voters deserve to know the truth about who is running to represent them. but, of course, if you talk to the republicans who are running in the primary, they just call it meddling. don. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. following the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade a number of states instantly banned abortion. we are going to tell you which ones next. plus high blood pressure. and since pain relievers may affect blood pressure, they can't just take anything for their pain. tylenol® is the #1 dr. recommended pain relief brand for those with high blood pressure. if you have questions on whether tylenol is right for you, talk to your doctor.
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the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade leading to chaos and confusion across the country. tom foreman joins me with the latest on where state abortion laws stand now. >> hey, don. these are the states that fully implemented outright bans or extreme limits on abortion already. south carolina, alabama, kentucky, ohio, missouri, arkansas, oklahoma, south dakota and texas, which has a strange convergence of some restrictions already in place. more pending and some left over on their law books long before roe. after that, this map gets very muddled. for example, there are numerous states where there are waiting periods before bans or new restrictions are put into place, and there are states that face
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legal challenges which are holding up implementation. louisiana, for example, wanted to automatically implement its ban, but abortion rights activists said that would be unconstitutional under state law. so that now faces a full hearing in court and is temporarily blocked. there is also a temporary restraining order blocking utah's trigger law. mississippi, georgia, idaho, all facing court action. in michigan, there is court action, too, because the governor wants the state supreme court to review a 1931 law banning abortion that is threatening to kick back in again because she wants to protect abortion rights there. west virginia has a very old ban, too. and there some lawmakers think is needs to be updated, but to make it effective. then comes states which could well bring in more severe anti-abortion measures in the wake of the supreme court ruling. florida, indiana, iowa,
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nebraska, montana, and finally we have some wildcards. states where new bans may show up depending on what happens. kansas, pennsylvania, and let's not forget about wisconsin. there is an old rule on the books, but the governor says he will give clemency to any physicians prosecuted under that law. there are many exceptions to almost every example here. the we are trying to keep track of it all. but hour by hour this is a sense of the general chaos in the wake of roe being struck down. and where we stand tonight. don. >> thank you. some prosecutors aren't planning to go down without a fight following friday's ruling. in a statement by the group fair and just prosecution, more than 80 of them nationwide have signed a commitment saying that they will not prosecute anyone seeking or providing abortion care.
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the statement in part saying, quote, criminalizing and prosecuting individuals who seek or provide abortion care makes a mockery of justice. prosecutors should not be part of that. among those signing the statement, suzanne valdez, a district attorney in kansas. for now abortion is legal in kansas but voters will decide in august whether or not to approve an amendment that would allow the legislature to limit abortions in that state. suzanne valdez joins me now. thank you. i appreciate you joining. >> thank you. >> help us understand this. your pledge remains within the law now, but what if that changes? if abortion becomes illegal in kansas, would you be in a position where you would have to prosecute? >> well, once, depending on what the vote is on august 2nd like you mentioned, what will happen is this will probably go to the legislature for further consideration concerning, you
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know, criminalization of abortion or contraception or any of those things that relate to reproductive rights. so it's something that we need to be worried about, something i have been thinking about since there was the leak on the -- of the case that was just decided, the dobbs case. so, yeah, at this point we wait for august 2nd to happen and see what the legislature does. >> understand that not all people agree about the right to life or right to choose. do you expect to face political ramifications over your decision? >> yeah. i think that's a great point. we all have different opinions about it. certainly i have gotten a lot of positive feedback on my position. i also had folks who have expressed their unhappiness with my sort of stance on this. i felt like i needed to do so immediately. as we know, after the decision on friday friday there were a lot of americans who were very saddened. i felt like i needed to speak
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out for those folks who are going to be harmed by this decision and are harmed by this decision. and i think overwhelmingly had a very positive response. i think that the decision in my sort of position on it has been fully supported by my community. i represent my community interests. my job as a minister of justice and i reflect the interests of the community. public safety is a concern of mine and i think that all of the policies in our office, including, you know, criminalize -- going after sexual assault perpetrators, gun violence, those are priorities for my community. criminalizing and certainly going forward with any sort of prosecution of abortion is just not a community interest and i think it's a public safety concern. >> even if the law changes? because if the law changes, then wouldn't you be breaking the law if you don't prosecute them? >> well, no, because prosecutors are given wide discretion.
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as an elected official, my community has elected me based on what they believe they want their prosecutor, their lead law enforcement officer to enforce the law, and so i -- >> even if it changes, you are not going to prosecute? >> i am saying that i think that -- i don't know what the legislature is going to do. i mean, i can only guess what they are going to do. at this point i will say i will not because i don't think that prosectorial resources should be used to criminalize health care choices of women. it's not a good use of public resources and it's not a priority for my office. >> we will be watching, suzanne. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. we'll be right back. e, they can't just take anything for their pain. tylenol® is the #1 dr. recommended pain relief brand for those with high blood pressure. if you have questions on whether tylenol is right for you, talk to your doctor. ♪ ♪ backyard movie night has never been this epic.
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terrible news out of the texas. 46 migrants found dead inside a semi-truck in san antonio. according to to officials. 16 hospitalized. cnn joining me now by phone. hello to you. what more do we know? >> we're learning details from authorities in san antonio tonight. the local authorities provided an update moments ago. they said a call came in approximately 6:00 p.m. local this evening. after an employee in a building nearby had heard a cry for help and alerted to the truck that you mentioned. and they found a number of deceased individuals inside. 46 people have died. 16 were transported to the hospital. and they suffered from heatstroke and heat exhaustion. authorities said there was no signs of water and no visible ac unit on the rig. they also said those people who
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were found alive couldn't get up. they were in duress and had to be helped. the thor authorities put it bluntly. this was a human tragedy. three people are in custody. it's unclear what the connection to this is. it's now a federal investigation. this comes at a time of a surge of migration at the u.s. mexico border. we don't know the nationality of the migrants. and it's unclear whether this is human smuggling. smuggler do often use rigs to transport migrants and this is something that the biden administration has been doubling down on. they have been cracking down on human smuggling in recent months and this is what they warned about and have feared a situation in which we now know 46 people have died and more details are sure to come in the next few hours. >> about the investigation, federal. now homeland security is involved. thank you. i appreciate that. thanks for joining us. our coverage continues.
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