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police not ruling out terrorism as the motive after several people are killed at a mall in denmark. >> they have arrested one person. it's a 22-year-old ethnic dane, they say. they're still looking for other people. the police chief said a man hunt is ongoing because they don't know if there are any more people involved. >> more to come. january 6 investigators teasing new revelations after last week's explosive testimony. >> there will be way more information and stay tuned. >> and how the next hearing is set to focus on the mob on the mall. >> who was participating? who was financing it, how it was organized including the participation of these white nationalist groups. >> meantime committee vice chair
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liz cheney says criminal referrals could be coming and include the former president. >> the justice department doesn't have to wait. there could be more than one criminal referral. >> police in akron, ohio, release body cam video in the fatal shooting of jayland walker. >> at the time he was shot more than 90 or 60 or whatever the unbelievable number will be, he was unarmed. and red rivalry and blue. >> it's independence day. let's talk what's going on in america. >> reporter: democrat gavin newsom versus ron desantis in what could be a 2024 matchup. >> freedom is under attack in your state. you are live in the cnn "newsroom."
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and we begin this hour with news out of denmark where several people are dead, and police are not ruling out terrorism as a motive after a shooting at a busy shopping mall. these are the people who made it out. now we're going to show you the moment that's believed to show the panic inside as the shooting started. a warning that what you're about to see is upsetting.
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cnn's nada bashir is reporting. have they caught the suspect yet? >> reporter: the investigation of the incident is still very much ongoing. we have had confirmed by police officials at this stage one individual has been arrested, a 22-year-old danish man is currently in custody. according to the head of police in copenhagen who spoke earlier today there are currently no indications there were other shooters involved in this incident. police haven't been able to formally rule out the possibility of further suspects involved in the shooting in copenhagen. that is still a very key line of inquiry for police as that investigation continues. of course there is still the tragic news we are learning more details hour by hour, several people confirmed to have been killed in the incident. at least three people confirmed to have been hospitalized. the details around those injured is still coming in from police
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officials. they've had to bring in extra staff to deal with the unfolding emergency. police say they are maintaining a heavy presence on the scene as the investigation continues. this was a sunday afternoon. a busy area, less than a mile away one of the city's largest concert venues where harry stiles had been due to perform. the key question for police investigations is, of course, what was the motive behind this incident. they haven't been able to rule out if it is terror related. copenhagen has dealt with far-right extremist groups.
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this is still very much unclear. very much a key part of the investigation. more details are expected to come. ryan? >> come back when you learn more. the january 6 investigation is hotter than july. today vice chair liz cheney said there could be multiple criminal referrals when all is said and done. >> we will make a decision about it. >> it's possible there will be a criminal referral -- >> yes. >> effectively the committee saying he should be prosecuted. >> the justice department doesn't have to wait for the committee to make a criminal referral. there could be more than one. >> the other republican, adam kinzinger, says the testimony of former mark meadows' aide cassidy hutchinson, has spurred others to come forward with evidence.
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>> every day we get new people that come forward and say, hey, i didn't think maybe this piece of the story that i knew was important, but now that -- i do see this plays in here. but, yeah, look, she is going to go down in history as -- people can forget the names of every one of us on the committee. they will not forget her name. by the way, she doesn't want that. she doesn't want to be in the public spotlight. she has a commitment to truth. >> will we hear from witnesses that you did not know about with stories you did not hear because of the hearings so far? >> yes, yes. there will be -- there is -- there will be way more information. stay tuned. >> stay tuned. this clearly media savvy committee knows the value of a good tease when it comes to the next episode of these hearings. >> i don't want to get too far ahead of what we intend to present in our next hearings, but our very next hearing will be focused on the efforts to assemble that mob on the mall,
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who was participating, who was financing it, how it was organized including the participation of these white nationalist groups like the proud boys, the three percenters and others and we'll be presenting questions we have. we'll continue our investigation into precisely the issue you are describing. >> and some of cassidy hutchinson's most explosive testimony involves former white house deputy chief of staff tony ornato. she says he's the one who told her about trump lashing out at his security detail. the revelation inspired team pushback from trump . this is not the first time ornato has invited scrutiny. tom foreman has more on concerns about his credibility. >> the president said something to the effect of i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> reporter: cassidy hutchinson's story of then president trump lunging at secret service agents january 6
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spurred a quick denial from the man she says told her the tale, tony ornato. >> according to the secret service source ornato was saying this did not happen. >> reporter: so who is tony ornato? he protected presidents for years. but under team trump he was given leave to be elevated to a new, unusual and powerful role, assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff for operations. there he oversaw thousands of employees and worked so closely with the president that "the washington post" identified him as one of several people tied to the secret service facing criticism for appearing to embrace trump's political agenda. some colleagues are also speaking up. a former communications director for trump, now a cnn commentator, says she warned ornato of potential problems before this chaotic clash with protesters at the white house in 2020 only to have ornato deny
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the conversation ever occurred. >> he's someone i know to have been dishonest in the past. >> reporter: ornato disputed talking about moving vice president mike pence from the capitol during the january 6 attack spurring another colleague to sweet tony ornato sure seems to deny conversations he's apparently had. those of us who worked with tony know where his loyalties lie. for now trump is behind him. and blasting the hearing. >> and i think they were embarrassed by it. it makes them sound terrible. >> reporter: but the january 6 committee, which has spoken with ornato does not seem as impressed. from one member -- >> mr. ornato did not have as clear of memories from this period of time as i would say ms. hutchinson did. >> reporter: and from another there seems to be a major thread here. tony ornato likes to lie.
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cnn has reached out to ornato for any reply to these claims. so far the only response has come from the secret service saying he is willing to sit under oath and answer questions. we'll just have to see if that actually happens. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> legal analyst, special counsel in trump's first impeachment trial, and a former white house ethics czar. so, norm, thank you so much for being here. let's first talk about tony ornato. he's already testified twice to the january 6th committee and the secret service has said they'll make him available to testify again under oath. you called him a fierce trump partisan. if he did come before the committee could we expect him to tell the truth? >> ryan, thanks for having me. he'd better tell the truth because otherwise he's subject to criminal prosecution and what we have now is the detail of
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cassidy hutchinson's recol recollection. if i know this committee ryan and i worked with both the members and some the staff. they have other cards up their sleeve so ornato we've already heard perhaps his memory or his cooperation was not as good as the committee would have liked the first couple times. >> interested in a lot more than just this specific incident that team trump has taken issue with, it really isn't that significant toward the overall motive of what they're trying to get toward. trump was angry and wanted to go to the capitol. do they want to get ornato under oath to ask him questions beyond that? >> i'm sure they do, ryan. to the extent this has turned into a swearing contest between ornato and cassidy hutchinson, she didn't just provide 60
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seconds in a yes or no about the details of trump's anger wanting to march with that armed mob, ornato has to answer all the questions and had a bird's eye view of what went on and we're rounding in as the hearings proceed to the hearing of these events. in the run-up, the funding and the organization of january 6th. and what happened on january 6th itself? ornato has to answer all of those questions. that could be uncomfortable for him. >> how did last week strengthen the case for legal action against the former president? >> we got a very important missing link from cassidy hutchinson and that is that president trump 23knew the crow was armed. he had reason to believe the
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danger that would occur and how he wanted to march with the crowd, how angry he was when he couldn't go and it puts on his tweet attacking pence when we know not only that he didn't want to take action but ms. hutchinson heard the conversation between the president's chief of staff, mr. cipollone, his white house counsel, that trump agreed with the crowd that was intending harm to his own vice president. that really creates the miss being link of trump wanting to see this violence occur and increases his criminal exposure. >> when we initially asked questions about criminal referrals they didn't want to talk about it. almost daring the justice department to indict the former
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president. do you think this public posture they've taken is on purpose? >> ryan, i do. the committee has proven to be very smart in how they have drawn public attention. they started out saying it's not our job to prosecute a president, which is true. that's the justice department's job but led by liz cheney they've put on a brilliant prosecution case. i think they've got state and federal evidence, state crimes in georgia with the 11,000 -- 11,780 votes. we had witnesses on that including from georgia. and now the violence. so i think you have a state and a federal case that is shaping up here and the committee has prosecuted it. >> enjoy your independence day. thanks again for being here. >> thanks, ryan. happy 4th.
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and you're in the cnn "newsroom." up next, why did so many officers fire so many shots. police releasing body cam footage of the night jayland walker was killed. and newsom vs. desaesantis. [ marcia ] my dental health was not good. i had periodontal disease, and i just didn't feel well. but then iound clearchoice. [ forde ] replacing marcia's teeth with dental implants at clearchoice was going to afford r that permanent solution. [ marcia ] clearchoice dental implants gave me the ability to take on the world. i feel so much better, and i think that that is the key.
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door. >> walker eventually abandoned his car to flee on foot while wearing a ski mask and then a confrontation ensued. police opened fire shooting walker multiple times. a warning this is disturbing video. >> officers later discovered that walker had left his gun in the car and was unarmed when he was shot.
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>> what was going to be a routine traffic stop which would probably result either in a warning or a citation being issued turned into a pursuit. as mr. walker turned on to the entrance ramp to route 8 and the shot is fired, that changes the nature of the contact. 40 seconds after the initiation of the traffic stop half a mile from the location of the traffic stop, you hear the gunshot and everything else i've discovered. again, that changes the whole nature of the traffic stop. it went from being a routine traffic stop to now a public safety issue. >> joining me now legal analyst and retired lapd shergeant dorsey. sergeant dorsey, i want to start with you.
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we just played the video. you could hear the gunshots. reports say there could have been up to 60 rounds. does that seem extreme for a situation like this? >> well, certainly the number in totality seems extreme, 60 shots. we know there were several officers who were pursuing mr. walker on foot. the question that begs to be asked and answered is how many rounds did each individual officer fire? they will have to speak to that, what was the threat and why was it necessary to fire each round. we heard the police chief say this could have potentially been a routine traffic stop. you understand an armed suspect wearing a ski mask is far from routine for officers who are conducting a traffic stop. >> and we also see, sergeant, police using a taser at one point. how do officers make the decision then to turn to lethal
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force? >> well, it can happen in an instant. i don't know what they saw or why they thought there was a need to use the taser and maybe the taser quickly became ineffective. people don't understand that a taser generally only has two cartridges. other than the fact that at one point the suspect fired in the officers' direction and could have very well been armed during the foot chase. >> police showed what they call a shot being fired from the car as it was being pursued, and they then said a shell casing was found on the highway. how important will this be in the investigation? >> ryan, i think it will be very important because we know the standard set by tennessee v. gardner you don't shoot at a fleeing suspect or individual unless that individual poses
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some kind of substantial harm to the community or perhaps to the police themselves who are following that individual. so the fact the police believe there was a shot fired from the vehicle before mr. walker abandoned the car and started running away from the police is going to be used by the police to talk about their state of mind at the time they used that lethal force. i suspect them to say that because of that shot that was fired from the car that they still believed he was armed at the time that he started to run away from the police and weep also know by the standard set by the supreme court the reasonable officer's perception at the time of the encounter is what's going to be important not looking back in 20/20 hindsight. it will form what these police believe to be the case as they were chasing mr. walker. >> and areva, they will also
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probably have to compare it to what the procedures are, the policies, of the akron police department. the police chief said it is standard procedure to separate those involved in a shooting as soon as possible. why would that be important? >> so important, ryan, because in so many cases that we've seen, think of the walker scott case in particular, that officer who shot at a fleeing individual, walter scott was ultimately convicted of second-degree murder and obstruction of justice because he lied about the circumstances surrounding the shooting, so separating these officers and giving the investigator an opportunity to talk to each officer individually in many cases will result in the most truthful statement being given and then the question becomes do the officers' statements agree with each other or are they telling different stories about the encounter? a great policy that is used
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oftentimes to try to get to the truth of what happened in these kinds of encounters. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you both for being here. we appreciate it. and you're in the cnn "newsroom." a horrific post-roe reality. a 10-year-old rape victim in ohio forced to travel to another state for an abortion. the story puts a spotlight on states with total bans and governors who right now are not backing down. >> would you be okay with that, a 10-year-old girl having to have a baby? >> no, i'm never okay with that. in fact, that story will keep me up at night. (vo) with 5g ultra wideband in many more cities,s, you get up to 10 times the speed at no extra cost. get verizon business unlimited from the network businesses rely on..
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state by state government officials are trying to figure out how to handle abortion now that roe v. wade is history. south dakota governor kristi noem spoke to cnn about her state's abortion ban. it does not allow exceptions for rape or incest. our dana bash asked her if children, like the 10-year-old child abuse victim who traveled from ohio to indiana to get an abortion, should be forced to have a child. >> every single life is precious. this tragedy is horrific. i can't even imagine. i've never had anybody in my family or myself gone through anything like this. i can't even imagine, but in south dakota, the law today is that abortions are illegal except to save the life of the mother. >> and you would be okay with that, a 10-year-old having to have a baby? >> no, i'm never okay with that. in fact, that story will keep me up at night. it breaks my heart. i'm a mother and a grandmother -- >> a situation like this -- >> i have a 1-year-old little granddaughter, i can't even imagine what i would say is i
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don't believe a tragic situation should be perpetuated by another tragedy. >> cnn's camila bernal joins me from los angeles. what else have you been hearing nationwide? >> reporter: everybody is doing something different. it could get a little bit confusing. some of the so-called trigger laws went into effect immediately while others are taking some time. these restrict abortion laws are in effect or soon will be in states that include arkansas, missouri, south dakota, wisconsin, and mississippi. now abortion bans in wyoming, north dakota, idaho, tennessee and texas, those are still pending waiting on action by state officials and in more than a dozen states there are legal fights under way over abortion bans and extreme limits on this procedure, some of them including oklahoma, kentucky, louisiana and utah and finally in addition to the trigger law a number of states have dissolved
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in junctions blocking enforcement of restrictive abortion laws including alabama, ohio, and south carolina. and friday in texas the state supreme court partially granted a request by the attorney general to stay a lower court order by blocking a 1925 abortion ban. that court allows for civil enforcement of the ban. now in contrast you have other states like here in california, washington state, mendoza and skol kol where the right to an abortion is protected. i spoke to a woman from arkansas but she lives here in california. she had an abortion and says she does not regret it but is worried about her family in other states. here is what she told me. >> i thought of the young girls in my family who are 16, 15, the teenagers in my family who still live in texas, they still live in arkansas where my family is. i thought of them and i reminded
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myself that i have not failed them until i give up. and i decided to keep fighting, and i'm going to keep fighting because it matters and it's important. >> and we've been in touch with activists here in california who say they, too, are going to keep fighting for women in other states and all of this while we prepare or a lot of these activists prepare here in california for an influx of women coming to seek an abortion here. so a lot of it is changing and a lot of it is different. all of it, though, along party lines. ryan? >> thank you for that. you're in the cnn "newsroom." still ahead, the golden state governor takes on the sunshine state governor. new cnn reporting on why california's gavin newsom is launching an attack ad on florida's ron desantis next. and pilling. woolite has a first of its kind foformula that keeps today's fabrics looking g like new.
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california's democratic governor gavin newsom is out with a new attack ad in his bid
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for re-election. but it's not running in california. instead, it's going to air thousands of miles away in florida. its target? fellow presidential prospect and rising gop political star governor ron desantis. >> freedom, it's under attack in your state. republican leaders are banning books, making it harder to vote, restricting speech in classrooms, even criminalizing women and doctors. i urge all of you living in florida to join the fight or join us in california. >> this is fascinating. cnn broke the story. isaac, what's newsom doing here? what is the point? >> he says what he is doing is not running for president, but what he's trying to do is get his party to wake up and to be much more aggressive. he said to me the rules of engagement have changed and there needs to be a different approach the democrats take to dealing with republicans.
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he says ron desantis is the target here because ron desantis is the poster child for what republicans are becoming and what it is in a post-trump politics. he said we're as different as daylight and darkness to me and he really wants to draw that contrast out and do it as aggressively as possible. >> newsom, not too long ago, was facing a recall challenge. he's come out even more politically emboldened he can feel confident enough. so how is desantis responding? >> his response is he can light money on fire if that's what he wants to do. newsom is doing this in a deliberate way, it's airing on fox on july 4th. it is very focused on the idea of freedom, redefining the term into something democrats should be talking about again. he says -- he told me when we spoke last week he's worried that republicans are winning in defining the terms of the debate and winning in what's going on
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here and he wants to grab that back but, you're right, a year ago now he was facing a recall, in a lot of trouble. now things are different for him. >> also probably doesn't hurt it gets us talking about it as well. >> obviously. >> more the strategy. now everybody is thinking is this all about 2024? which is interesting to think about it because conventional wisdom would say the front-runners are donald trump and joe biden not these two other guys. is this about 2024? are we seeing the first salvos in that potential battle in a couple of years? >> certainly what it would feel like if newsom weren't going out of his way to say no, no, no, anytime anybody asks, including me. he says that's not what this is. ron desantis, of course, said it does look like he's running for president. there's a lot of thinking desantis could be angling to be the alternative to trump out there. there is a big fight going on here between the florida view of the world, the ron desantis view of the world and the gavin newsom view of the world and the california view of the world.
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is that the future of the party? will this be 2024 or 2028, a little preview here? maybe. for right now it's gavin newsom deciding to spend $100,000, not a huge amount of money in the context of a re-election campaign to advertise in florida. >> there have to be a lot of activists, both republicans -- wouldn't there be the hope there would be more diversity both republican and democrat? >> and you see other diversity out there in the ranks of both parties actually at this point, right? there is a lot of interest in both of these players as potential leaders of the party. i think it's because it's not just who they are but what they are leading, what they are representing out of the country. ron desantis has a very clear governing agenda and gavin newsom has a clear governing agenda. they do not match up at all n. a country divide
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deciding between a newsom style, california style approach, or what is the desantis/florida style approach. >> it is fascinating and a lot to play out here the next couple of years. isaac, thank you for breaking that story and being here on a sunday. you are in the cnn "newsroom." got patriotic plans to celebrate and how well would you do on a citizenship test? running the numbers with a fourth of july theme. looking good as always. that's coming up next. also ahead, get ready for coast-to-coast fireworks and music from the bigger stars. harry is not singing. celebrate "the fourth in america" tomorrow. and wall street is closed for the fourth of july holiday but there's still a lot going on this week in the markets. christine romans has our before the bell report. hey, christine.
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>> reporter: hi, ryan. the second hatch of the trading year kicks off in earnest this week following the worst for the s&p 500 since 1970. the s&p fell more than 20% during the first six months of the year. the biggest investor concerns of 2022, of course red-hot inflation and the federal reserve's rate hikes will push the u.s. economy no a recession. everyone watching for signs of a slowing economy. last week first quarter gdp was lower contracting at an annual rate of 1.6%. in may consumer spending adjusted for inflation fell for the first time this year but the job market remains strong. on friday we get the june jobs report. economists predict the economy added 295,000 jobs back while the unemployment rate should remain steady at 3.6%. that would be a robust but slower pace of hiring and many experts say a cooling jobs market is necessary to tame sky high inflation. keep in mind it's a short week on wall street. u.s. markets are closed monday for july 4th.
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millions of americans are enjoying a long holiday weekend, but not cnn's senior data reporter or me for that matter. harry is here to run the numbers. harry, how are most people
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spending this weekend other than those of us sitting in a television . >>. >> reporter: yeah, i was going to stay, they're not spending it across television. they're relaxing for one thing. 36% say they're staying home and relaxing, 29% family get-together. that's where i am headed to after this. a cookout picnic. 19% say they're watching tv, not sports, a lovely, you know, we can all get together, afterwards, maybe we can get a picture of a cookout, a picnic. it's lovely. >> 19%. that's actually a pretty strong number. that's more than i would have predicted. so july 4th is a day to celebrate america. what are americans saying about patriotism right now? >> yeah. this to me is an interesting question that came up from gallop, essentially, how proud are you to be an american?
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they group together in different ways. 65%, which is not, you know, you wouldn't think of necessarily as a low number. look at the trend line going back over the last few decades. you can essentially see every five years, you see this drop. so back in 2002, 91% of americans said they were extremely very proud to be an american after the 9/11 attack. now we're down to 65%. if you break it down further, who say they're extremely proud to be an american, that is south, 38% in the poll. that is the lowest that gallop measured in the 21st century so patriotism high. not as high as it used to be. >> not a very hopeful trend, to say the least. there is an interesting poll asking americans hobbit hourp how much they know act their country. how did they do? >> yeah, i will actually flip this around on you, ryan. we will have fun a fun little
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quiz here. i was surprised how many could not answer questions on the citizenship. so i want to see if you can answer a few or them. let's see what we can do. we will hold hands together. >> i am worried. >> so i have to ask you, which three were among the first 13 states? washington, oregon and california? new york, kentucky and georgia or virginia, north carolina and florida, or maryland, virginia and north carolina. the floor is yours, my friend. >> i'd say the last one, maryland, virginia and north carolina. >> maryland, virginia and north carolina, is in fact, the correct answer. >> correct. yeah. >> you did it. you did it. >> one for one. >> i think that might have been the hardest one. okay. i might have been provokeled. >> i'm not too worried, perhaps we can call the federal government afterwards. who wrote the declaration of
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independence? was it james madison, thomas jefferson, abraham lincoln, or george washington? please, get this right. >> thomas jefferson. >> put it up on the screen. yes, yes! >> thomas jefferson is coming home. >> thomas jefferson is coming home. you should know that. i knew it from the john adams movie, a great docu-drama from our friends at hbo. final one. how many voting members in the house of representatives? f if you don't get this right, 200, 441, 100 or 435 in. >> i think i would lose the title of congress am correspondent if i didn't answer 435. >> yes! he did it, folks! he gets to keep his job. but i have a bonus question for you, ryan. >> uh-o. >> this is a key bonus question. all right.
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which nfl team plays its home games in the state of new york. please god get this right. oh my god. >> harry, you and i both know there is only one nfl football team in the state of new york and that is the buffalo bills. the soon to be super bowl champions. >> there it is! correct. he goes four for four, if the buffalo bills don't win the super bowl this year, they may never do it. please, god i ask for one thing every year, buffalo bill super bowl, please. >> if they're in the super bowl, we will be there, we will make that happen. >> i consider it a date. i am marking it in my invisible calendar, you are a beautiful man, it was a pleasure spending july 3rd with you. >> likewise, happy fourth of july, thanks for being here. happy to be an american. check out harry's podcast, margins of error or at
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main dam to overflow. amid the destruction and danger, a glimmer of good news, rescue crews were able to chorale ponies and get them to safety. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts right now. sn♪ ♪. i am ryan nobles in washington. in tonight for pamela brown. top stories tonight. an ohio community pleased for calm as body camera footage of an unarmed man shot and killed by police. plus a deadly shooting at a shopping ma uhl in denmark. police say several people are dead and at least one suspect is in custody. and wait until you hear what a chinese f-1 driver credits for saving his life. after his car flips on the tracks and jumps over a tire barrier. you're in the cnn "newsroom." police in akron, ohio, hav


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