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my blood pressure is borderline. garlique healthy blood pressure formula helps maintain healthy blood pressure with a custom blend of ingredients. i'm taking charge, with garlique. >> good evening, i'm anderson cooper in new york, jacob and washington, d.c.. a hearing of the january six committee aimed at connecting the former president to extremist elements who stormed the capitol, making the case that he deliberately used them in his attempt to overturn the election. >> someone, anderson, who knew what he was doing, and according to community vice chair, liz cheney, had every reason to know what he was doing was wrong. >> now the argument seems to be the president trump was manipulated by others outside the administration. that he was persuaded to ignore his closest
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advisors. and that he was incapable of telling right from wrong. this of course is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year-old man, he is not an impressionable child. >> today, was the first time the public was shown the testimony of principle on who spoke to the panel last friday. >> start by asking you a few questions, mr. cipollone. more than bill, bore all of the -- election -- >> i agree with that. >> did you believe, mr. cipollone, that the president should concede once you made determination based on investigations since you credited the doj did -- but did you have in your mind a president should concede the election laws that a supreme point during the election? >> again, i was the white house counsel, some of those
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decisions are political, so to the extent that -- if your question is, did i believe he should concede the election at a point time, yes, i did. i believe that was i believe in due process. that would be in line with my thinking on these things. >> the mcconnell speech that pat cipollone referred to was on december 15th, the day after the electoral college ratified president biden's victory. three days later, cipollone will take part in a meeting that one witness at the time, cassidy hutchinson, described as, quote, unhinged. at the, gathering sydney powell, retiring general and pardon fell, and mark flynn, the ceo of, rudy giuliani. on the agenda of flynn, proposal, her declaring martial law, the possibility of
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seizing voting machines and a plan to make powell a special counsel. >> i walked in, i saw general flynn, i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. again, i don't think they were providing -- first of all, the overstock person, i never knew who this guy was. the first thing i did i walked and i look at him and i say who are you? then he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. and so i don't understand how they had gotten in. >> and a short period of time that you had with the president, he seemed receptive to the presentation you were making? >> he was very interested in hearing particularly about -- and the terms of 13848 that apparently nobody else had bothered to inform him on.
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cipollone and herschmann, and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> three of them were really forcefully attacking me verbally. eric, derek, and that we are pushing back. we as a general matter, asking, where is the evidence? >> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i would've had him escorted out the building. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. it had been a long day, and what they have been proposing, i thought, was nuts.
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>> i'm going to categorically describe it as, you guys are not tough enough. or maybe, i'll put it another way, you are bunch of weaklings, excuse the expression. but i'm almost certain that's the word that was used. >> i was screamed at, he was screaming at me. and then at a certain point i had it with him. and then i yield back. i had to come over or sit your butt back down. >> a swig of dr pepper was the case of that testimony. as surreal as all of that was, the presentation made clear that this was not a moment when the former president suddenly realized it was time to pack it in, and instead, almost immediately after that meeting ended, in the wee hours of the morning, donald trump sent out that tweet, calling on his millions of followers to come to washington d.c. on january
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6th. it will be wild, he said, exhibits and testimony today, the committee showed that his call on the six, for all those people to march in the capital, had been planned well in advance, and in a number of extremist groups, and members of this group had gotten the message quite clearly. >> presidents own documents suggest that the president had decided to call on his supporters to go to the capitol on january six. but that he chose not to widely announce it until his speech on the ellipse that morning. the committee has obtained this draft, updated -- undated tweet from the national archives, includes a state stating, the president has seen. the draft tweet reads, i will be making a big speech at 10 am on january 6th, at the ellipse, south of the white house. please arrive early, massive crowds expected. march to the capitol after. stop the
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steal! although this tweet was never sent, rally organizers were discussing and preparing for the march to the capital on january 6th. >> now, one of the marchers who stormed the capitol testified today, expressing regret for what he did, saying he did it thinking that he was doing it at donald trump's behest. and he left after donald trump, hours later, told him, and the other followers, to go home. >> the community also presented more evidence, and this has been constant throughout the hearings, that people close to the former president, knew of what was happening and knew what was -- and kept it to them selves. >> president trump's former campaign minister, then pascal, recognized the effect of the speech immediately. and this is what he said in response to the text messages to katrina pierson. mr. parscale said, quote, this is about trump
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putting pushing for uncertainty in our country. a sitting president asking for civil war. and then when he said, this week, i feel guilty for helping him win, katrina pierson responded, you did what you felt right at the time, and therefore it was right. mr. purcell added, yeah, but a woman is dead. and, yeah, if i was trump and i knew my rhetoric killed someone when miss pierson replied, it was in the rhetoric. mr. pierce kyle said, katrina, yes it was. >> now the committees we come to expect close with the surprised--saying the former president had called to call a prospective witness and the justice department had been notified of that attempt. so on nights like these, there's a lot to cover. we have two hours ahead. first up, committee member adam schiff, i spoke to him a few minutes before
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airtime. congressman schiff, what is your biggest take away from today's hearing? >> my takeaway is that on december 18th, the president meets with these outside, i don't know what to call them, advisers, allies, and they want to seize voting machines, they want to have the appointment of some special counsel, and when that proposal is essentially rejected by the presidents own people, in the early hours of the following day is when trump summons the mob. says it's going to be wild. it's clear that after those efforts of overturning the elections failed, his last ditch effort was to summon the mob. >> what do you think was the most valuable part of connect the dots at the testimony, at
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least for the clips that we play today? does it connects dots that no one else could have been able to? >> i think he could underscore and cooperate much of the testimony we had about the fact that the president's own lawyers knew he lost the election, they told him he lost the election, understood that the claims of fraud were bogus, that there was no evidence -- understood that the election was over when the electoral college took its vote in december, and basically try to ward off a lot of what followed. so i think he confirms a lot of that and it's important that it comes from the white house counsel. these are people that represent the office of the presidency, and it corroborates how the president was told and over and over again by the white house lawyers that these claims of fraud were completely bogus and it goes directly to the president's knowledge and intent. he knew the claims made to the public were false, he continued to make them he knew the crowd was angry on january 5th, but as was said in the oval office, and he knew in january, six if not, before
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there were also armed. angry and armed mob and he urged them to march on the capitol. that's pretty powerful evidence. >> i know you will not get into specifics. can you characterize what people will expect to hear from cipollone in the next hearing? >> i can't characterize his first testimony, but i can tell you will be focused on what the president was doing and what he wasn't doing, that supreme dereliction of duty, while the capital is being attacked. as you heard today, when the president was finally prevailed upon to say something, it did have the effect of getting some of those people to turn around and leave the capital, but the fact that he couldn't or wouldn't rather deliver that message earlier, that he was watching this attack unfold, wasn't doing anything to stop it, even while his own vice president was trying to stop it, i think we'll go into that in much greater detail. >> the focus today on the
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so-called proud boys, oath keepers, starting with the former president's tweet on december 19th of 20, 20 including january 6th, quote, it will be wild. why did they see that as a call to arms and you see them and their allegiance of the former president as an ongoing threat? >> i think that they look for messages continually from the president and where the president earlier, much earlier had said that the proud boys during that presidential debate, stand back, and stand by, they took that is meaning something. it helped them recruit people as we heard them today in today's testimony, these groups wanted to form a kind of a armed militia around the president, his own personal armed militia. this is something that comes out of with germany in the 30s, not something we would expect to see here in this country. and
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so we if there's something that trump understood, better than anyone else, it is the psychology of crowds. and of mobs. he derives such energy from his crowds and rallies, he's always concerned about the size of his crowds. he knew how to direct that mob at the capitol, and he did, and of course, people around the president we understood the participation of these dangerous people as he ultimately did. >> the vice chair liz cheney ended the hearing today alleging the former president called a witness. call a witness, the public have not yet heard, but the witness did not answer the phone and instead alerted their attorney who informed the committee, and to inform the prosecutors. is there any possibility to expose him? >> it's possible. i think would have to be in combination with other things. but i think the
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clear intent was to influence the witnesses potential testimony. so i think it's quite obvious what the president was trying to do. whether this is actionable by the justice department will depend on a lot of other actions of the former president as it affects these witnesses. but i think it was important to get that information out to the public and to put people on notice. if other witnesses are put in the same position by the former president, they will also alert us to that. >> congressman adam schiff, thanks for your time >> and with me here in washington, cnn core special correspondent, jamie gayle and inside politics sunday anchor, abby philip, and the cnn legal analyst, norman eisman who served as special house counsel --, sorry counsel to the first trump impeachment. jamie, let me ask you, what's stood out the most, as most important, today, to you?
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>> to, me once again, it was that the committee has brought, in trump loyalists, insiders. republicans, to take trump down. i think why was an extraordinary was, we call it a mashup -- the portion of video where you hear about this december it's a 19, where there's this december 18th, where there is this extraordinary fight that goes on between the white house counsel, that comes running, down to see team crazy, these people who have gotten into the white house then, sydney powell -- i shouldn't say gotten, and donald trump wanted them there. and i just think, better late than never, but these folks knew that it was going on, and it took a long time and some subpoenas to get them to talk them out of it. >> i just want to get your reaction to this, abby, it's one of the things that came out of that meaning, it was this
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idea and we've seen reports about, about this idea that donald trump actually appointed sydney powell to the special counsel. she thought it was a done deal, it'll had already happen, to investigate this voter fraud. let's play that clip. >> pat cipollone, if you hav e the authority to name me special council and he said, yes. and then you ask him if you have the authority to give me whatever security clearance on the event that pet cipollone said yes, and then the president said, okay, i'm naming her that, and i'm giving her security clearance, and shortly before we left, it totally blew up. that's one cipollone and or herschmann and whoever the other young man was said, you can name her whatever you want to name her, and no one's gonna pay any attention to it. >> how did the president respond to that?
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>> something like, you see what i deal with? i deal with this all the time. >> another thing that striking to me, is, just as jaime, said the people knew it was going, on they knew they were working for a president who was looking for the crazy, ushering them into the white house, surrounding himself with this kind of thing. and this thing to defy trump in his, face his aides basically, saying you can do whatever you, one but we're not gonna listen, that is classic trump administration stuff. it's been going on since the beginning of the administration, and it's been going into this perilous moment for the country which, the subject at hand was some issue of policy the degree, whether it was a question of whether are not he was going to carry out an attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. it's extraordinary that all of these people who knew it was insane, and said so at the time, continued to work
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for trump win. many of them, based on their testimony to the committee, don't even acknowledge that trump himself is responsible for it. as this cheney said, many of those people still wanted to be just the story of john eastman, and sidney powell, and rudy giuliani, and all the crazy folks, and not the guy who brought them into the white house. >> and norm, what did you think was most important today, as a legal matter in terms of what the justice department may ultimately charge any of these individuals with? >> jake, we heard from cassidy hutchinson at the last hearing of trump's violent intent, intent is so important in criminal cases. they built a bridge today from december 14th with as we head from passable one, we see now why they wanted him. and so many others. the legal avenues are exhausted. he
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had a turning point, december 18th, in this meeting. he chose the road of team crazy. and then december 19th will be wild. that shows intent of the violence that we ultimately got out on january 6th. we've got a lot of premeditation, all of the planning. so i think they added to the quantum of evidence. they are moving towards proof beyond a unreasonable doubt of crime in this hearings. >> and i want to see what you think,, jamie i don't doubt that there were shenanigans with the proud boys on the oath keepers and i see tenuous connections. but, i have not seen enough evidence to know that -- you know, that that part was criminal intent, that trump knew that these far-right militia groups were coming because of what he said, you know what i mean? there's a lot of circumstantial evidence about it. >> i completely agree we know that the proud boys were acting as security guards -- >> oath keepers -- >> oath keepers, for roger
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stone. but in general the committee has under promise and over-delivered. this was the one hearing where they said there was going to be a link with trump orbit, i did not see it. >> see you all again shortly, now the former presidents reaction to all of this, especially the cipollone testimony. for, that let's turn to senior white house chief correspondent kaitlan collins who is in jerusalem. she is covering president biden's trip. caitlin, what are you hearing about donald trump's reaction to today's testimony, particularly what pat cipollone had to say to the committee that we saw excerpts from? >> jake, the former president has been clamoring for more people to come out and defend him at these hearings as they have gone on. he certainly did not get that with pat cipollone today in his testimony that was just from last week, when it was recorded, the clips that they played of cipollone describing those final days in
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the white house, including that mid december meeting that went off the rails. even by trump white house standards where there was a lot of shouting in the halls of the west wing, this was -- cipollone another white house attorney is talking about how loud it was and how insane the meeting was and how it stretched on for hours. cipollone also saying that he had pushed president trump to concede the election say it was clear that he had lost and that there was no widespread fraud that had taken place. but there are certain moments of these hearings that have gone on, jake, that bothered the former president. for, instance when they play the clip of ivanka trump that she said that she believed attorney general bill barr when he said that there was no widespread fraud in the election. i think what we heard today in -- cipollone, unprompted, about what he said about the trump president. we want to say that he was, courageous that he did the writing, and that because of the brave actions of mike pence, he deserves the presidential medal of freedom. that's what you're gonna see played and
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played again for the type white house lawyer who is this -- praising someone, praising pence's actions that trump completely disagrees. with everything that cipollone said, trump basically believes the opposite based on a reporting. so that is certainly a moment today that trump is not going to be pleased with. of course, we should note that our reporting shows trump has been asking people when these hearings are going to come to an end. he has been quizzing people about that, they believe that was gonna be this, week now the committee is expected to hold a hearing next week with more testimony from more people who worked in the trump white house, jake. >> it's actually more pointed than that, isn't it. it's past cipollone thinking by mice -- pence deserves the presidential medal of courage for specifically ignoring donald trump. not just for doing something that donald trump think was right. what pence did that deserved the medal was the ignoring of trump. but i want to ask you, because this cheney, the vice chair, of the
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committee, and at the hearing today with an allegation that a witness that we have not seen received a phone call from donald trump that this witness here she did not accept, and the allegation, the suggestion, by cheney, was this was obstruct -- potential obstruction of justice, or witness tampering. do we have any idea who this witnesses? >> no, but trump -- just as much as we are, who could this be. there's only a certain amount of people that the former president had called since the committee came to an end, but the committee has interviewed over thousand witnesses. they're a lot of possibilities here, jay. we've seen a lot of testimonies, but not that much. i would say trump world is criticizing cheney for coming out, they have been criticizing her for coming out, not naming this person, saying that she isn't playing there is witness tampering here when trump maybe did know they were witness, or he was just calling this person. of course, this person for -- whoever it is, jake, did not answer the phone and felt so uncomfortable that they felt
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the need to call the committee and tell them that trump was calling them. of course, it still remains to be seen who that person is, jake. >> kaitlan collins in jerusalem. thank you so much. >> jake -- senior will political analysts, and maggie here -- and cnn political analyst. gloria, after hearing kaitlan's reporting, why do you hear about cipollone's testimony that he's getting under the presidents? >> we hear that he's obsessed with these hearings, he's watching them all the time. and it's clear, when at the end of the hearing, liz cheney announced the fact that he had made a phone call to somebody that we have not yet heard testify, that the president is watching this and is obsessed by. and he is used to being defended by people, like politicians who go out there and say donald trump is wonderful. and you haven't heard that in these hearings. and, of course, these are all his former people. now he will say that they are hacks and i
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never like cipollone, or kind of a white house counsel, that he testifies against me, et cetera. but it's clearly driving him crazy. >> maggie, the president knows a lot about hacks. he had this meeting in december 18th in the oval office about this clown car, sydney powell, giuliani, what is, that the -- >> former ceo. >> former ceo. so many details have emerged about what was happening in the run up to january six, including the text messages from brad parscale. how does that line up with the reporting you've done with what's come out this far? >> we reported on that meeting, i wrote the meeting with my colleague the next day, on december 19th. and was of the reporting was pretty accurate. we learned a lot about more in-depth story, just about some of the specifics of what's being said, and the basics that trump wanted to out-points any pow, there was a discussion about using the apparatus of government in this election, and in this case it turned out
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to be the defense department and seizing voting machines. that these cast of characters were all there, that people were shouting, that the meeting was going off forever. we knew this in realtime, and was covered extensively on this network. >> you tweeted actually that the testimony underplayed just how crazy that meeting was. >> i, look, to be clear, i think the participants in that meeting that we heard from ourselves which we had not before, that was pretty striking, hearing them all just described on the record how nuts they found this. but there was something lost in some of the details. there was obviously exchanges that are congressman describe with marc flynn, and i thought that was dramatic. but there are things going back and forth and trump was in and out and trump was almost a non factor in the discussions of that meeting, and that's a problem. because trump was a factor, he was asked a lot of questions, he was making a lot of points. >> and to you two -- people were tears after the meeting. >> at least one person was in tears of frustration because of all the screaming and yelling, and they were frankly exhausted. that meeting, as you heard earlier today, went on for over six hours. it was all over the place.
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>> was it sydney powell? >> i do not believe it was sydney powell. it was somebody else. >> for context, everyone, when that meeting took place, it was four days after the electoral college had met in the 50 state capitals, it was a done deal, the election was over. mitch mcconnell comes out. one of the last sort of establishment republicans come out, he was giving trump as much time as possible for these lawsuits wait for the electric college on the 18th, and then, said congratulate -- you had passed below knee today in his deposition that was recorded saying, that was the timeline he felt. so when pat cipollone is running down the hall to see what is going on this, meeting he's already had come to the conclusion that this was a completely done election, and, yet the president of the united states was still consumed by this one thing of trying to find some way to hang on to this office, totally subverting the constitution while doing so if he were to be successful, when in fact, he had lost the election. >> i want to, know what was going on in the meeting
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upstairs? >> well they don't know -- >> it wasn't a different location. >> well the fact that -- >> it's all ridiculous. the timing of, you're right. the next day he still sends out that tweet about it will be wild. this isn't somebody who didn't know reasonably that he had not lost this election. he knew that he lost the election. he was looking for yes men. and he found a mob to do so. the problem i have with this hearing unlike the other prior sex, is that, for a prosecutor to go into court and say, here is my evidence and proof of conspiracy, i have to have a lot more than, you inspired people in spawn way. i have to have instruction, or i have to have a meeting of the minds. someone to actually say, here is, one plus one equals two. the statement. so far, what we had today, morally culpable behavior, certainly problematic. but enough to have a criminal prosecution? not yet. >> thanks everyone, next, one of the witnesses today, a former spokes man of the so-called oath keepers, we will
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see and president trump? >> they saw a path forward that had legitimacy. they saw opportunity, i think in my opinion, to become a paramilitary force. i think we've got exceedingly lucky, that more bloodshed did not happen because the potential has been there from the start. and we got very lucky that the loss of life was, as tragic as it is, we saw on january 6th, the potential with so much more. again, all we have to look at is the iconic images of that day except for the gallows that was set up for mike pence, the vice president of the united states. and i do fear for this next election cycle because who knows with that might bring, because of a president who's trying to instill and encourage to whip up a civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit, and snake oil, and regardless of the human impact, would else is he going to do if he gets elected again? all bets are off at the point. >> i'm joined now by jason benton hough. mr. chen, thanks
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for being with us, would you up a civil war amongst his followers using lies and deceit, and snake oil, and regardless of the human impact, would else is he going to do if he gets elected again? all bets are off at the point. >> i'm joined now by jason benton hough. mr. chen, thanks for being with us, would you mean exactly by all bets are off? are you saying that he would somehow be likely to incite more violence? >> i think that's absolutely a possibility, anderson. we have -- we don't know what would happen with pardons, we don't know if we gain any kind of a accountability through these hearings and the doj was, what's to say he's not going to just erase that? >> i've not been shirts what to make of the oath keepers. on one hand they seem like weekend warriors who, if this was the biggest event of their lives and all they couldn't mount was a stack walking through the crowd up to the capital, they
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don't seem like, they amount to much. that said, the person who planted pipe bombs of has ever been discovered and we don't know what they're capable of. is there any else at risk? >> yes, i was guilty my self of underestimating them. i broke away in 2017. and i didn't think there was a certain amount of up-ness that i saw. but at the time, they did storm the capitol, there were explosives that were found there. i was guilty of underestimating them, and i'm just at a point in history where we cannot do that anymore. >> do you think what -- has happened to them legally, the charges that have been brought against them, do you think they will reconstitute, whether it's the same name, or the same characters, do you think they will reconstitute?
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>> possibly, but even if they don't, in the best-case scenario, we have to wonder, what is going to rise up in the power vacuum? who else is going to take up the mantle of this type of movement and, will they be more squared away then stewards roads? will they be more confident, will they be able to mount something that is just more effective? again, we have been so lucky with this. but lucky is no strategy that we should be depending on in the times that we are. right now. >> what is the appeal of the group, to you, and to a lot of the people that you met? you had a, family a lot of people had families, people were taking time away from their families to go hang out with -- go to ferguson and intimidate people, to hang out at the make money ranch. what were you
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doing? >> well, i was originally there as an independent journalist. i got embedded with stewart rhodes, i had these grand notions of writing my version of hunter as thompson's hells angels. but i got cut. up to be clear, i was never member. i was an employee, but that's almost worse. well but i think the appeal really is they are targeting disenfranchised individuals that don't feel like they've got much going on in their lives. they may be veterans who were yearning for brotherhood. they are keying in on these emotional issues, and really providing a sense of purpose. they've really kind of weaponized the messaging and social media and it seems like they are moving off the same playbook whether it's alex jones, or it's president trump, or it stewart rhodes. they're all kind of cut from the same cloth and using the same tactics. >> i interviewed to qanon people one of whom directly message me telling me that i
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would be executed in washington, d.c., on a certain date. and i was scared to see where this person is. and do they actually believe what they are saying or is it something they just throw out. and the people you met. did they have coherent philosophies of what they wanted america to be, or was it just you know, this gave them an identity, and they latched on to that? >> i think it's the latter there, with the giving them an identity and latching onto it. you know, so much of this, the well springs are, the conspiracy theory of the day when it was back, when it was when the oath keepers sort of launched the momentum of the two party after president obama was elected, the growing conspiracy theories then was the jay helm, you saw the messaging, and the sort of mission statement, catered around that conspiracy theory. but part is my job, associate editor and national media director, we would look at the news aggregate, see what's
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where the big stories, especially if there was something hot in the conspiracy realm, and see how we could spin that and plug the oath keepers name and message into it. >> interesting, i don't know you, but i give a lot of credit for speaking and for taking a step back and seeing this, and getting you and your family out of that, and it speaks well to you. jason van tatenhove, think you so much. >> thank you. >> back with our panel and joining us now, juliet, cnn senior security analyst. you were reacting to the video, earlier, because you take them seriously. >> certainly. and i think it's just interesting what's happening now with the committee. there's the legals side, did they make a case against trump? and then there is the side that people like me look at which was the counterinsurgency narrative. this is a campaign to expose what was happening and to
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provide viewers and the oath keepers and -- an off ramp. and that's what i found interesting and having these two witnesses we. the former oath keeper, he had a line which i think was the line of the day which was we have to quitman's inwards and just talk about truths. because we are looking at all the nitty-gritty details and he took a step back. and i think that's what representative raskin was doing at the end in terms of look trump called the answered. call answer call, answer. call, answer. after hours of describing this stands between the two and we are gonna provide all of you who think trump has a future with an off ramp. trump is over, that's basically what they want for us to understand. he has peaked, and this effort has now been exposed. >> that is our hope, i don't know if that's the evidence. >> what i think -- >> he's still in the poll, he's the number one choice of republican voters.
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>> in terms of autocracies, the only way and autocratic movement ends it's not because a bunch of liberal say, we don't like autocrats, it's because moderates and former members of those autocracies come forward and say, enough. and i think what was really important was, they are embracing that, even raskin who's quite liberal as we know is saying, we're not gonna do this alone. a bunch of us, democrats are saying, trump is bad. even hearing that -- we've been hearing that for eight years. it's literally the former. it's coming forward and saying, here's a path out of this very scary future for the united states. >> that is the theme that i think liz cheney has been trying to do, not just for a former members of this extremist ideology, but just regular republicans who are willing to cast a ballot for trump not once, but probably twice. and might do it again if given an opportunity just to say to these people, hey, it's time for you to really step
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away from this week, frankly, friction oh, that has been unfolded by the committee. i'm also struck though, and juliet, i have you have good insight into this, the idea that this sort of extremism was downplayed and ignored and not taken seriously is i think, a reckoning moment for this country. it was all there and they did not we -- have a sitting president with who is one degree of separation from violent extremist groups. and only now is this something the country is aware of. >> just be clear about this, from the moment that donald trump refused and were 2016 refused to condemn david duke, the former klan leader, -- charlottesville extremists, all the way through, olivia torii, the former white house official was saying earlier that which you want to tell vice president
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-- pipe balms to democratic politicians on cnn reporters, and others, all throughout the tree of life synagogue murders, all throughout the el paso murders, this is not new. >> stand back and stand with by. he said so on the stage. to be clear, it has been -- we have been talking about this since even before charlottesville. but what i'm concerned about is the national security -- lack of preparedness, we >> coming just one other thing? what was chilling was the reminder, once again, as liz cheney has said, this is a clear and present danger. it is ongoing. i'm gonna paraphrase, jason -- he said, we got lucky with the violence. the potential could've been so much more. i do fear for this next election cycle, with the president who is trying to institute a civil war. what else is he going to do if he
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gets an? all bets are off. >> and not only that -- you know who else referred to donald trump is trying to start a civil war? brad parscale, and a private text message with another trump official! >> that's because parscale and others on the inside on beside the conduits. this isn't just about the of keepers, the ones who are announced and are still in, this is about roger stone. it's about mark meadows and steve bannon. we know those times of. there >>, thanksgiving. one coming up next, stunning, newly released video of the uvalde school massacre. more on the police response as the killer carried out his murders, an officer's waited over 70 minutes before moving in on him. if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen...
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>> tonight, exactly seven weeks since the uvalde shoes -- school shooting rampage, the world is seeing a clearest view yet as to what happened with the law enforcement responds. -- comes from surveillance cameras, including one inside the hall of robb elementary school. the newspaper says it took steps to edit the video, like removing the sound of children's screams. cnn's airing a portion of that leaked video as well. the details have been shrouded in secrecy -- parents have been lied to, they had the run around, there's been an ongoing cover-up
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amongst officials and police. the police response during the shooting and after has been nothing short of pathetic. before we are the video, we should note, there's obviously no amount of editing that can change the fact that it's difficult to watch, knowing what we know, about the 21 lives that were being taken, that were being murdered, while this video was taken. so, talk to me about this video, shimon. >> yeah. disturbing to know that's what's on the other side of the wall where these officers are standing in the hallways, literally standing around, doing nothing, anderson, for more than an hour, trying to figure out what they're going to do. and they stand around for so long, they do nothing. it's a very disturbing portrayal of what was going on in the hallway. the families, certainly, are extremely upset, anderson, over how this came out, the leak, but they were expecting this to come out at some point, that they would be
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able to view this in an organized fashion. but off the top, it's important to note how upset the family members are of at this video, and what it shows. it certainly so disturbing because you see the officers in the hallway, you see them run toward the gunfire, but then do everything against their training. they retreat. they moved back, away from the gunman, and then we know, anderson, what happens after that. take a look at some of that video. (inaudible) [noise] >> get in the room! get in the room! (inaudible) [noise] >> get in the room! get
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in the room! (inaudible) [silence] [silence] [silence] [noise] [silence] [noise] [inaudible]
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[inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] >> shimon, i want to bring in
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cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, what is your reaction to seeing this video? not the full surveillance video, which went on for 77 minutes -- it does show the officers just waiting. you see pulisic shields being late on the ground, you see heavily armed officers amassing and waiting, and one finally they do go forward, the ballistic shields are not in front. apparently, they weren't all that important after all. i mean, what do you see in this video? >> you know, anderson, there's almost too many failures to catalog here in the brief time that we have. of the initial responding officers, only about half of them actually go down to the dollar. you see guys walking around, talking to each other, using hand sanitizer, which i can't even understand. so, there's just failure upon failure. but more broadly, what you see here anderson, is a complete failure to live up to
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the sacred trust, the bargain that every law enforcement officer makes monday hold up their hand and are sworn into their job. that is that you would lay down your life to protect other people. when i was deputy director in the fbi, we began a program where with each class of new agents, one of their first nights at the academy, we would bring them in as a class, and we would show them the bullet ridden, bloodstained tactical vest of sam hicks. the vast he was wearing when he died in 2008, executing a search warrant in philadelphia. and the purpose was to show those new agents, this is how this could end for you. and if you're not down for this, now is the time to leave. and the solemnity of that commitment is what you see violated by a bunch of poorly
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led officers who wander around, and half of whom are surprised when the entry is finally made. you see the officers at the back of the hall, they are shocked that someone is actually going into the room. it's inexplicable, and it's kind of, i have to say, it's kind of sickening to see that in the law enforcement community that i love, and i know my colleagues treasure. this is really hard to watch. >> and we're not seen in this, and are not hearing, are the screams of children and -- that go on and on, and the cries of children, and the police officer calling out to a child who identifies himself, who then, according to the parent that shimon top yesterday, the government -- gunman goes over and shoots that child., iraqi
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spoke to parents of the victims. what are they saying tonight? >> that kind of gone dark now, anderson. they feel betrayed. they were expecting this video to come out on sunday. they were expecting it to be an organized fashion. they wanted to be together when they got to see this video. they're going through a lot. the emotions are very high. they were gonna have clergy present around them, some therapists -- you know, when every night that we come on, anderson, and you and i talk, it's just another thing. another thing. they don't trust anyone anymore. they've been light to, they haven't been told anything. the only way, sometimes, they learn anything, is leaks and public information that's released. and it comes to them last. and here we are again, tonight, the same thing happens. i don't know what's gonna happen in the next few days for these families, but they are really upset. they really wanted to view this video together. they're upset about some of the audio that came out. so, it's gonna be really difficult days for them,
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certainly the next few days. and come this weekend, when they have to listen to officials described the report that the legislators here put together, now they're gonna have to sit through this video. and they certainly were not expecting it to come out this way. and it's so hard to listen to them and just hear their motions, and sort of replay all this again in their minds. and they're gonna have to do this again. so they're extremely upset tonight,. anderson >> and, you want you showed fbi agents -- for a long time to come, they're gonna show them this video as what not to do, and it business cools, they're gonna show this video and government schools they're gonna show the response, the police response, and the governor's response to the state, as examples of what not to do, and how not to treat relatives of children who have been murdered, because the way they've been treated is shameful. andrew mccabe, shimon much appreciated. more ahead on the -- did the former president tried to contact witness personally? -- joins us. he said he wanted a, quote, pat
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cipollone movement, and emotional responses from police officers who survived the attack. all that when we come back.