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remember, this was the house select committee had directed the secret service to basically do an investigation of itself. what sources have told us is of this group of 24 secret service agents who text messages were requested last year, ten of those people had metadata on their devices that showed that text messages were exchanged between january 5th and sixth, 2021, but the contest of those text messages was lost due to a data migration that started about three weeks after january 6th but prior to this request from the ig. investigators, again, at the secret service found that ten of those people had no text messages at all. three only had personal text messages. one had saved a text exchange that was the chief of the uniformed division for secret service, thomas sullivan, texting steven sund, asking what do you need. that was the sole text message exchanged. >> what are they doing to find out if these text messages are
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relevant? >> this has been a rapidly developing internal investigation. they had been doing a very rigorous probe, according to a letter sent from the secret service to the house select committee. telling them all of the way thaz were trying to abide by the house select committee's subpoena on july 19th, the secret service told investigators they planned to conduct forensic examinations of available devices that were used by the identified individuals, additional follow-up interviews with the identified users to determine if messages were stored in locations that were not already searched by the secret service. the reality here is all of those efforts have to stop because as cnn first reported yesterday, the dhs inspector general has told the secret service, this is now a criminal probe. stop investigating yourself. >> so there's a member of the january 6th committee, zoe lofgren, democrat of california. she says tony ornoto, robert engle, and the driver of trump's presidential suv on january 6th have all retained private counsel. just to remind people, according to cassidy hutchinson, tony ornoto told her a story in front
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of mr. engle that trump lunged for the wheel and lunged for him because he wanted the suv to go to the capitol. the fact that they have private counsel as opposed to just using the secret service counsel, does that mean that they are more or less likely to cooperate? >> well, i guess we'll know the answer to that when this is all said and done, but the reality here is that when you look at whether or not this is abnormal, you're right, the secret service does have attorneys but it is not at all atypical when you have a situation this high profile, this high pressure for people who have to go in front of a congressional investigative body to retain a private counsel. we saw lawyers getting lawyers. pat cipollone is a lawyer and he had a lawyer. right now, whether or not they're going -- how this is going to impact their cooperation, we simply won't know the answer to that until this is over. however, the secret service today saying that they have directed these employees to cooperate, jake. >> republican congressman kinzinger told our jim sciutto earlier today that he does not think ornoto, engle, and the
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driver are cooperating. >> right, and to which the secret service says, the secret service director issued a statement today saying that he has directed personnel to cooperate. >> all right. thank you so much. joining us to discuss, former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers and former trump white house lawyer jim schultz. if you were the lawyer for tony ornoto, just to remind our viewers, the white house deputy chief of staff, he had been secret service and then he became in that political position and went back to secret service. if you're ornoto or robert engle or the driver, what would you be telling them right now? would you be telling them to cooperate? >> yeah, first thing you would want to know is what they know. of course, you want to cooperate with the investigation. most likely, they are witnesses and have information, and that's the limited capacity in which they'll be asked to testify. as witnesses in this sense. i would be recommending that they cooperate.
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i would want to know what they know. and then convey that to the committee or whoever is in this case the office of inspector general. and convey that information the best way possible. >> so jennifer, we don't know right now who these men have hired as attorneys or if they have tapping into these legal funds that have been made available by donald trump and his political committee. campaign filings show those trump political committees have paid more than $2 million this year to law firms representing witnesses before the committee. is this common for somebody under investigation to be paying for witnesses' lawyers? and is it ethical? >> so it's not uncommon for someone else to pay for your lawyer. let's say you work for a company, you need to be represented, the company sometimes will pay. and there's nothing certainly illegal about it. there's also nothing unethical about it from the lawyer's perspective unless the lawyer is
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not representing the client. like, in other words, if the lawyer really is acting in the interests of the person paying the bills instead of the person he or she is representing, that's unethical, but otherwise not. the question really becomes, is the lawyer representing the client's best interests and that's something frankly the committee and certainly doj to the extend it gets there, needs to be asking about and thinking about. and suggesting to the witness, if you don't think your lawyer has your personal best interests in mind here, you might think about getting another lawyer. that's a warning that prosecutors and presumably the congressional selection committee will make to witnesses. >> one of the reasons i ask is because at the end of one of the committee's hearings last month, the one featuring cassidy hutchinson, liz cheney revealed some witnesses were allegedly receiving messages from people in trump's world that she suggested was witness tampering perhaps. here's one of her examples. take a listen. >> what they said to me is as
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long as i continue to be a team player, they know i'm on the right team. i'm doing the right thing. i'm protecting who i need to protect. you know i'll continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and they have reminded me a couple of times that trump does read transcripts. >> i mean, to me, trump does read transcripts. that suggests that donald trump is getting transcripts of witness interviews, and the question i guess is, is he getting them with the permission of the witnesses or the lawyers being paid by trump and his legal organizations, are they just giving the transcripts to others and they end up with trump? if it was the latter and i have no evidence that it is, but if it were the latter because it's delivered in this threatening statement, would that be legal? >> look, witness intimidation is never legal. and to the extent that folks are
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being threatened or phone calls are being made, you have to be very careful. whoever is doing that has to be very careful about making such statements because they'll wind up before the justice department. congress has already referred over instances where i think in one instance, where the president, the former president had reached out to a potential witness and referred that over to doj to look at. they're taking it very seriously. but if you have good counsel, and that counsel is representing you and that counsel has the obligation to you as the client, right, so if that -- if you have good counsel, they have to be acting in the interest of the client and not the interest of someone else involved in the investigation. regardless of who is paying the bill. so i agree with jennifer's analysis on this, but at the same time, the thundery and phone calls and threats are something that has to be taken very seriously. >> what about sharing a
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transcript, your testimony transcript to other people without permission? is that legal? >> well, that would be something that the lawyer would have to consult with his or her client on and obtain permission. again, you're talking about ethics as it relates to the lawyer that's representing the client. not whether it's illegal or legal ornot legal. you're talking about whether you have the ethical obligation that that lawyer has to that particular client. >> jennifer, this just in, the january 6th committee issued a statement in reaction to a jury today finding steve bannon guilty of contempt of congress by not abiding by its subpoenas. congressman thompson and congresswoman chaina said this is a victory for the rule of law and an affirmation of the committee's work. how big of a win is this for the committee, this conviction? >> well, it's a big win for them and a long time coming, i'm sure they think the wheels of justice move slowly sometimes. it's been a long time since they have been trying to get information from steve bannon, and of course, lots of other
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witnesses too. we have navarro's trial coming up and they referred a couple other folks over to doj for refusing to testify. doj decided not to pursue. they have been pushing this all along. you cannot thwart our subpoenas, you cannot ignore us. now they finally have their vindication. steve bannon is going to jail. it won't be for long, but he's going to prison and it's because he defied this subpoena, and i think they want that message to resonate loudly with everyone the committee is dealing with. >> jim, do you agree? you think steve bannon is going to go to jail? >> look, his sensing is coming up in october. i think he's likely to serve some prison time. i know that he said that they said that he's going to appeal. we'll wait and see how that process plays out in terms of the appeal. but i do think that he's been convicted, there's prison time that comes along with this. he's likely to serve prison time as a result of it, and the committee should feel vindicated as a result of this verdict
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today. and the legislative branch generally going forward, as they look at other investigations going forward, they want folks taking their subpoenas seriously, and that's the message that was conveyed to them. good thanks to both of you for being here. >> coming up, just as a parallel investigation into donald trump's action in georgia picks up steam, a judge is going after the prosecutor in that case for potential conflict of interest. >> plus, baking in the big apple, frying in philly, intense heat blasting the northeast and the mid-atlantic. how long will these scorching temperatures last? stay with us. when you have technology that's easasier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. so you can do more incredible things. [whistling]
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in our urearth matters seri, the city that never sleeps is now the city that overheated. new yorkers facing the most consecutive days over 90 in years. d.c., philly, boston all are going to approach 100 degrees on sunday. the west is baking too. vegas temperatures were 90 or above all night for the first time in nearly 20 years. pollee sandoval is in new york city. polo, how are new yorkers braving this blistering weather? >> as best as they can, jake. especially as they face the possibility of facing the longest lasting heat wave in over a decade, if that forecast
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turns out to be true. when you look a these numbers coming from the national weather service, it seems there is at least no end in sight or at least not over anytime soon, with the temperatures expected to rise to the upper 90s, potentially even 100 degrees on sunday. it's why officials scaled back the new york city triathlon that is scheduled to go down on sunday. they have scaled back the distance for the running and the biking portion. not far from here in boston, officials there are deciding to postpone it altogether and holding that event in august when they hope things will cool down. really what we're hearing from new york city officials here is really the warning from people across the country, which is continue to stay hydrated, out of the sun if possible, and to check on those most vulnerable as they're the ones who stand the biggest risk. all in all, about 85% of americans expected to see temperatures that will surpass 90 degrees. new york city and several other regions like philadelphia, you mentioned, boston, all going to be really in sort of a state of
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emergency with heat related alerts that rin place into the weekend. >> polo sandoval in new york, thank you so much. >> it's not just new york, of course, experiencing a record long heat wave. i want to bring in meteorologist allison chinchara. what's going on for the rest of the country? >> well, over 80 million people in the lower 48 are under some type of alert, and again, it's pretty widespread. you have warnings that stretch from california all the way over to massachusetts. so again, you're talking a lot of people that are impacted here. now, for some of these areas, oklahoma city, wichita, little rock, you're getting triple digits back with little break. even places like dallas, houston, a lot of these cities have been dealing with this prolonged triple digit temperatures for a long period of time. for some of them, it feels like it's never ending. we talk about that climate shift in temperatures. that's what we can expect in the future where the heat waves are lasting longer. they're becoming more frequent, but also the flip side to that
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is the extreme temperatures themselves are reaching even higher levels. you're talking more and more records being broken. and we're also going to experience that this weekend. 35 locations have the potential to break record temperatures, either saturday or sunday, for this upcoming week. again, when you talk about the overall expanse of this, it's the combination of the prolonged period and also the temperatures themselves. look at some of these heat index numbers from the northeast. 100 to 105 degrees. the forecast for boston, jake, on sunday, na98 degrees, if we t that, it will break a nearly 90-year record that is in place. >> all right, cnn meteorologist allison chinchara, thank you. these heat waves are a symptom of a larger problem, the climate crisis. me next guest ran against joe biden and made the issue his top priorities. what does he say now about president biden's approach? that's next. (vo) withth 5g ultra wideband in may more cities,
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we're back with our money lead. this afternoon, president biden met with his economic team for a briefing on gas prices. drivers are seeing some relief as prices continue to fall. the average today is $4.41 a gallon. compare that to a week ago, $4.58. a little over a month ago, prices hit an all-time high, $5.02 a gallon. joining me now to discuss is democratic governor jay inslee of washington state. drivers in washington state are paying $5.17 per gallon on average right now. much hoar than the national average for gas. that price, of course, includes a 49 cent per gallon gas tax, one of the highest in the nation. washington state has. president biden encouraged
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states to suspend those taxes. you won't do it. why not? >> well, i'm joining a lot of folks, including the republican party, that doesn't think this is the best solution to this because essentially when you do a gas tax holiday, the money doesn't go to consumers. the vast majority go to oil and gas companies. they soak it up, they reap that. they already have windfall profits. they would just use this differential and add it to their profit margin. the bulk of it would not go to consumers. and it's not a solution to this problem. we know this is caused by putin's war in ukraine. and increased demand. those are the real reasons for this. we are happy that things are coming down, and i think there's good reason to believe actually that that's going to continue. so my constituents are not thinking this is a solution to the problem. and they're turning to longer term problems they have got of not being able to breathe because of forest fire smoke and
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dying because of heat stroke. that's what's on their minds. >> that's related to the climate crisis. you focused your entire 2020 presidential campaign around the climate crisis. if you were president right now, with this house and this senate, so 50/50 senate, what would you be doing to address the climate crisis that president biden is not doing? >> well, i think he's doing what he should be doing in the sense that he did everything he could to get this through the senate, but he ran into 51 bricks, 50 of which are republican party, don't forget that. and now he's turning to the number of tools he has today through executive action where he doesn't have to drag the senate with him. and he's got now five buckets that i believe he's looking at. one to really use his clean energy, his clean air law, and his at least eight regulatory measures which i don't even believe this supreme court could stop, in reining in ozone and
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particulates that can increase health to washingtonians but decrease our climate change gases. he can, you know, when you're in a hole, stop digging. he can reduce nainfrastructure that we know won't be useful decades from now. offshore winds and leasing on public lands. they don't want that with all the dangers in that regard. third, he can really help free us in the states and in the federal government to increase the transition to electric vehicles and get better mileage. and with the stroke of a pen, very quickly, he can allow california and my state, and many others to move to zero emission vehicles in the upcoming years. that's very, very important. fourth, he can pass a rule that requires financing industries to really show through transparency what risk they are exposed to because of climate change, and fifth, he can have new
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efficiency standards. the easiest way not to pollute is to not use wasted energy. so new energy standards for efficiencies for appliances and some of our buildings like in washington state, almost all that we're doing in my state, we demonstrated this can help grow your economy. so all of those things i believe are under consideration. i hope he'll do all of them. >> i remember last year, when the infrastructure in seattle in your state and in portland just south of you, melted because you are not used to these heats, as you put it, you don't have the climate infrastructure for temperatures this high. we're seeing that happening in europe right now, where air conditioning is not really a thing. are you having to adjust? >> oh, you bet. i mean, 100 degree day in new york and washington, d.c. is not half as bad as a 100-degree day in seattle and portland. and the reason is, in the
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northeast, people by and large have air conditioning. we do not have that. we have not believed it was necessary in the vast majority of our homes. so you bet we're going to have to adjust, but it's darn uncomfortable. we lost over 100 people just to heat last summer. the summer before, we could literally, our kids didn't go out to play because of forest fire smoke. we had the worst air conditions in the entire planet. yes, we have to start accommodating that. fortunately, we can use heat pumps to do that because heat pumps that do not use fossil fuels, they don't use dirty gas. they used to call it natural gas. it's actually dirty gas. very dangerous from a polluting standpoint in your house. now we have heat pumps that can heat and cool, and we need to start building them into our infrastructure. we also have new cooling centers obviously as an emergency relief when people are in trouble, to have a place to go in the community that are cool. so this is going to be a vast rebuilding program in some sense. but we have to stop at the
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source. it's not a solution just to buy air conditioners. the planet is on fire. we're not going to have water to drink in the southwest. we're not going to have forests in the whole west because they're going to burn down. an air conditioner is not a solution. we have to kill this at the source. we have to stop this toxic material from entering our atmosphere, from pollution from fossil fuels. >> all right, democratic governor jaye inslee of washington state, good to see you. >> coming up next, a showdown in the west, donald trump and mike pence, both in arizona, both facing off for the future of the republican party. stay with us. ready to create a bigger world? -i'm in. ready to earn that “world's greatest d dad” mug? -i'm in. care to play a bigger role in ththis community? -i'm in. enbrel helps relieve joint pain, helps stop permanent joint damage, and helps skin get clearer in psoriatic arthritis. with less pain, you're free to join in. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections.
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. topping our politics lead, a republican face-off in arizona could foreshadow the 2024 presidential primary race. the state's upcoming republican primary for governor has quickly morphed into something of a bitter proxy war between former president donald trump and vice president mike pence. as cnn's kyung lah reports. >> a showdown in the dez sert or the future of the republican party. mike pence and donald trump at odds yet again. this time in the hotly contested gop primary for arizona governor. the former president has endorsed republican candidate kerry lake. >> she's my complete and total endorsement. >> a former republican. >> i registered as a republican. >> turned independent. >> really fed up. >> turned democrat. >> i registered as a democrat. >> turned republican again. >> the republican party, party of solutions. >> her campaign is centered on the lie that donald trump beat
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joe biden. >> the whole u.s., as long as an illegitimate president is in the white house. >> she spouts far right conspiracies. >> we had major election fraud. 200,000 minimum ballots were trafficked by mules. >> i'm kerry lake. >> like trump, lake made her name on television. the former arizona local news anchor has also borrowed from his playbook, frequently attacking those in her old profession. >> fake news. i got ambushed by cnn outside. >> i think kerry lake has what it takes to get us to where we need to get back on track for our families and gives us hope. >> lake has a message for a base, and only that group. the question is, is that group large enough to win the republican nomination? >> how are you? >> republican gubernatorial candidate karen taylor robison another leading contender for the gop nomination, says it's not. >> how do you run against an opponent who is backed by a
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popular former president? >> if you like donald trump's policies and record of limited government, low tax, pro-business environment, and somebody with a track record of success, i'm your candidate. if you wand somebody who is a big personality, i think kerry lake is your candidate. >> robison's strategy to win the nomination is to consolidate support of traditional conservatives helped by pence's rally. >>. >> she also has the support of arizona's outgoing republican governor, doug ducey, who attacked lake's support for trump as a matter of political convenience. >> lake's misleading voters with no evidence. she's been tagged by her opponents with a nickname, fake lake. which seems to be sticking. >> a delicate dance for robison, courting the right wing means sowing doubts about the 2020 election. >> where are you on the 2020 election? >> at a minimum, the election was not fair.
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i know people want to hear a different answer from me, but when you take a look at, you know, there was concern from a lot of voters. >> you look at the primaries we just went through in some of these other states, messages to take away are certainly the donald trump endorsement is a powerful asset but not the silver bullet. >> arizona's primary will be another signal for national republicans. kyung lah, cnn, phoenix. >> our thanks to kyung lah for that report. scott jennings let's start with you, what do you make of this proxy war in arizona? we're seeing it there. we saw it earlier in georgia with, again, trump backing the person that was all in on full election lies versus the incumbent governor who pence supported. >> dynamics here a little different in georgia. pence had the upper hand supporting brian kemp who was far ahead. in this case, trump's endorsed candidate lake is slightly ahead, although i think it's an extremely close race. pence is aligned with the
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outgoing governor doug ducey who is extremely conservative, but he came under trump's negative gaze for not doing what he wanted him to do on election stuff. as much as this is a race in the moment, it is a little bit of proxy for the argument to come for mike pence, which is, you know, we're going to have to get back to a republican party that is focused on the future and not relitigated the 2020 election. if you listen to his speech today, he was not focused on donald trump at all but really focused on conservative issues and taking traditional conservative shots at robison's opponent, lake. this is a bit of a setup for his argument to come in his race for president in 2024. >> kasie, take a listen to katie hobbs this morning on cnn. she's the arizona secretary of state. she's the democrat running for, she hasn't won the nomination yet, but likely will be the democratic nominee for governor. she says that there really actually isn't that much of a difference between the two
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republican candidates, even though one is deeply all in on the lies and the other one is playing ftse with them. take a listen. >> there's very little difference between either of these candidates on their policy positions. even karen taylor robison said in an interview last week that she couldn't name a single policy difference. she, too, has called into question the 2020 election. and has refused to say if she would accept both the results of the 2022 election or certify the 2024 election if she is governor. >> is she right? >> let's be honest about why she's saying that. it's because she knows she'll probably have to run against either one of them, sdpits rr going to be harder for her to run against robison if she wins the nomination so she's trying to make them look equally extreme. i do think there is a substantive difference, even though yes, playing footsy with the election lies is problematic. there are clearly republican candidates who are trying to put trump in the past.
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trying to say okay, voters, we get your concerns but we have to move forward. that's mike pence's entire argument. as opposed to candidates like carry lake who are hung up on what trump is hung up on, the 2020 election. i think there's a material difference and ms. hobbs knows it will be easier to run against lake than robison. >> i think hobbs should be forced to answer the question why the democrat, she's so upset about election denialism and the fate of our democracy, why the democrat committee is spending money to get lake the nomination. they're for lake, trump is for lake. to me, this is mass hypocrisy. >> they think she's easier to beat. >> is that okay? >> playing with fire. >> the dog is going to catch the car one of these days. >> it's not immoral. it might be a bad strategy, but there's nothing immoral about it. >> that's what claire mccaskill did with todd akin. but yes, it is playing with fire. but what about you? to you think there's a substantive difference on these
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conspiracy theory election lie stuff? >> i think there's a substantive difference between being all in on the idea that the election was stolen and basically being all in on maga, which is what we have with lake. it's not just this. she's just all in on whatever trump is doing and however trump approaches things. so i think there is a difference. i still think it's highly problematic that even the candidates that are supposed to be the sane ones feel compelled to pretend that the election might have been -- like something might have gone wrong. this is insane. >> you saw this in georgia where even people like brian kemp and brad raffensperger, who held the line and were stalwart about the integrity of the election, then came forward and supported all these changes to election law that were really not necessary to make given the fact that they endorsed how substantive and clear and fair and forthright their election was. >> right, there was really no justification for all the changes in election laws that republicans pushed through in
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georgia, other than to try to appease that base we have been talking about. and so even with kemp and raffensperger, they stood up to trump, they said the election was not stolen. joe biden won. but then in some ways they still caved to the base and some ways they still adhered to the principles of the election lies even if they had -- even if they said the election lies weren't true, they still adhered to those penirinciples. these republican candidates don't think they can win the primary without doing that. >> they can't. that's the reality. this is what donald trump has unleashed. the difference between him and all of the republican nominees of the past was that instead of acknowledging there was an element to the party that wanted this kind of thing, look at john mccain and sarah palin. i think they would look back and say that was a mistake, but he would at least stand up and push back against the element of the party. trump enabled it, talked to the white supremacists, the oat keepers, the proud boys, stand
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back and stand by. now that's given all of them permission and put republican candidates, i mean, this is a challenge for everyone who claims they want to restore the republican party after trump. it is very hard when 30% of the party is this way, to actually win a primary in a different kind of way. >> the only thing i would say is donald trump had a turnkey operation. basically, this was set up by republicans, by all of these good republicans who have been talking about election fraud for as long as i have been involved in politics, who have been claiming democrats have been stealing elections for as long as i have been following politics. so donald trump walked into a slip stream where it was all set up and everybody was already primed to believe that this is what democrats do. i mean, we could go through all the different phony controversies that happened. >> it goes back to the south and jim crow. >> i'm not even talking in more recent times. a.c.o.r.n., the obsession over
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that. there's also this idea that democrats steal elections, so donald trump stepped into it. he's responsible for this, but we shouldn't pretend that the republican party hasn't been telling this for a long time. >> a judge in georgia has admonished the atlanta area district attorney who is investigating trump's attempts to overturn and steal georgia's electoral votes. the prosecutor, fani willis, is under fire for hosting a fund-raiser for a democrat who is running against one of the targets of her investigation, a state senator who is one of the fake electors. the judge, however, is not removing her from the case. tell us more about this. >> yeah, so fani willis is an elected official, so back during the primary, she chose sides in the democratic primary and held a fund-raiser for the guy who is now the lieutenant governor candidate in his republican opponent is a stop the steal republican, a state senator who is now the target of that special grand jury investigation, so the judge did say, you know, i'm not saying it's against the rules but it
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sure looks bad. i think fani willis might say if i know now where i would be with this investigation, maybe i shouldn't have done that fund-raiser then. but it doesn't look like the judge is going to remove her from the case as mr. jones, the candidate, would like. >> all right, great job, everyone. have a great weekend. thanks so much. from banning books to out lawing abortion, pulling back the curtsen on who is really in charge in texas. cnn is following the money next. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. whenen uc held me back... i got lasting, steroidid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand... rinvoq helped visibly repair the colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and a chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check. check. and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma
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in our politics lead, the group maga, in this case, mothers against greg abbott, the governor of texas, just released a new add and it's going viral. listen. >> they say nothing changes in texas politics, until it does. >> until white texas politicians removed our history from the classroom. >> until they made it legal to buy a gun without a permit and openly carry it. >> until texas politicians put a $10,000 bounty on anyone who helped a woman get an abortion. >> until we were called child abusers for loving and supporting our transgender children. >> while this rash of new legislation is targeting abortion rights and transgender rights and book bans and increasing access to guns in texas may seem broad, they are all connected. cnn's ed lavendera followed the money in his new cnn series, "deep in the pockets of texas." ed, tell us what you found. >> jake, we've reported for years, and many people have talked about how texas is on the
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verge of turning blue. that democrats will finally win a statewide election here. the fact is, that hasn't happened. and there are millions of reasons for why that happened, so we explore that. >> your voting record is just as conservative as many of the people who might be supported by these west texas billionaires. and you voted for the abortion bill. you voted for the no permit gun carry bill. and the bill that limits the discussion of race and gender in classrooms. you voted for that, as well. >> mm-hmm. >> so why not have the tim dunns and the ferris wilkes supported you? it seems you're doing stuff that they agree with. >> my voting record is very conservative. is it 100% conservative? no. the hundred percenters, you're either owned or not owned. >> the way you describe this, it almost sounds like senator joe smith, to make up a name, if they've got a ton of money that's coming from these west texas billionaires, those billion naires are really the
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elected official. >> it is a russian-style oligarchy, pure and simple. >> really, really wealthy people, who are willing to spend a lot of money to get policy made the way they want it, and they get it. >> and so, jake, you know, we're talking about tim dunn and ferris wilkes. these are not household names in texas. you can almost kind of think of them like the koch brothers here in texas. they operate very quietly behind the scenes, and they have been effective for years. >> calling them the texas koch brothers sounds better than calling them texas's version of russian oligarchs. what makes them so effective? >> what they started doing years ago, instead of putting money into, for example, and they have, governors races that cost tens of millions of dollars, but they've really focused on smaller statehouse and state senate races, across the state, where are much smaller amount of
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money can make a much greater impact. and that's what they've done. as one person who has been a long-term observer of texas politics told us, even when they lose and their candidates lose an election, they still win, because they push everything to the right. >> all right. ed lavendera, thank you so much. appreciate it. don't miss ed's special report. it's this sunday night, "deep in the pockets of texas." it's at 8:00 p.m. eastern, only on cnn. coming up, he was a young cop, mistakenly beaten by a fellow police officer. now he's in charge of his force. now he wants to change things. stay with us. internet from verizon, the network businesses rely on. ditch cable and switch to verizon business internet, with fast, reliable solulution, nationwide. find the p perfect solution for your business. from the network businesses rely on.
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subway's drafting 12 new subs, for the all-new subway series menu. let's hear about this #7 pick, from a former #7 pick. juicy rotisserie-style chicken. you should've been #1. this isn't about the sandwich, is it chuck? it's not. the new subway series. what's your pick? in our national lead, a homecoming story for the new boston police commissioner. after two years running the police department in ann arbor, michigan, michael cox is heading back home to boston. and as cnn piece brin gingras reports for us, cox himself was once the victim of police brutality in boston.
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and now he says he's determined to improve relationships between officers and the community. >> you've had a lot of roles in bpd. how does commissioner sound? >> it sounds different, there's no doubt about that. but i am excited. >> reporter: boston's new police commissioner, michael cox, has a past that brings a unique perspective on policing today. >> i also, you know, had a pretty bad experience in the police department early on. understanding that, you know, the worst in policing, if it's not, you know, addressed, if it's not checked, if the culture is not monitored, bad things can happen. >> reporter: in 1995, cox was an undercover officer. while responding to a call one night, he was beaten by fellow officers, who mistook him for a suspect. they left cox bloodied and bruised after discovering his identity. he was out of the job for six months, before returning to the department, where he'd stay for 30 years. >> why did you stay? >> you know, it wasn't an easy
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decision at the time, but you know what, i had served the public and i loved the job. i know all the good people that do this job. and yeah, there's some knuckleheads and people like that that are out there. but the reality is, back then i was saying, that's not what policing is. and if i leave, you know, how am i helping to get better. >> reporter: cox never fully told his story publicly, until two years ago. motivated by the protests following george floyd's killing. >> i just felt like, what is happening? what is happening with the world around policing. like, this is a profession that's needed everywhere. we can do it better, absolutely. but the people that do this job are doing it for the right reasons, by telling my story and trying to explain to people, there are people in law enforcement that care. and i'm one of them. >> i do consider this a homecoming. >> reporter: now the native bostonian is poised to lead one of the largest police forces in the country. >> what do you say on day one to
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your rank and file? >> they need to know that they're supported. but it's not just morale, the officers, it's also morale of the public. expectations of the public. public trust. you know, we need to build that up again, and sometimes, that means, you know, taking criticism, revisiting some of our history, just to acknowledge it, and then move on and say, you know what, we're here. >> we now have a commissioner who understands deeply what it means when our systems don't see everyone. >> reporter: a lesson cox didn't expect to learn while serving his city, but now carries with him as he leaves. brynn gingras, cnn, boston. >> and our thanks to brynn for that report. cox starts his role august 15th. a big show coming up sunday. the republican vice chair of the january 6th committee is going to join me, republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. also on the show, republican maryland governor larry hogan. that's sunday morning at 9:00 eastern here on cnn. until then, you can follow me on
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facebook, instagram, twitter, and the tiktok @jaketapper or tweet the show at the lead cnn. you can listen to "the lead" from whence you get your podcast. our coverage continues right now with one wolf blitzer in a place we like to call "the situation room." until then, i'll see you seunda morning. happening now. a jury finds steve bannon guilty of criminal contempt of congress for defying a subpoena from the january 6th select committee. it's a major victory for the panel probing the u.s. capitol riot. also tonight, with the committee vowing to push forward after last night's dramatic hearing, we're learning new information reported first on cnn. the u.s. secret service identifying potentially missing text messages sent on or around january 6th. i'll speak with a key member of the committee, just ahead. and there are new details