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are two little words i don't think we pay enough attention to. over and next. when something is over, it is over. and we are onto next. and if there was a hammock in the middle, that would be the best way i know of identifying living the expression, living in the moment. so, i like to think of living in the moment. i spent the last -- days since i knew we were going to be talking looking forward to this moment. and i adore living it. >> he adores living each moment. an excellent suggestion for how to live in these complicated times. happy birthday norman leer. and have you for all you have done. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- >> it is taking all i have not to sing the "maude" theme song
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right now. it's all in my mind right now. i love norman leer. i was just in awe in the front row when i saw him once. it reminds me of the nostalgia watching the shows with my parents and i still do today ooichlt jealous. live in the moment. i'm angry at you. i appreciate it. everyone, i'm laura coates. and this is "cnn tonight." the january 6th select committee isn't resting. multiple sources telling cnn that the former secretary of state mike pompeo could sit for deposition as soon as this week. the committee shift to cabinet level officials seems to indicate they are interested in conversations about invoking the 25th amendment after the attack on the capitol. pompeo would join the list of several cabinet level officials to meet with the committee. and that panel isn't the only one moving forward. it's now clear the doj hasn't been dragging its feet.
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where it ends up is not entirely certain, but the doj seems to have its march of orders in place. we're going to follow those footsteps and dive into how far the doj has reached into the trump administration. and specifically where federal prosecutors are now focusing their efforts. according to "the washington post," quote, there are two principle tracks of the investigation, unquote. the first, seditious conspiracy. in other words, the same charges the department has brought against defendants in groups like the proud boys and of course the oath keepers, the same groups the january 6th committee attempted to connect to trump in prior hearings. the second, the false elector scheme. now, we can't give this much either. the goal, of course, prevent the certified and legitimate electoral votes from being counted on january 6th. that would have been the official proceeding. that's important context here, as we learn more and more about who investigators are talking with. and we know now that includes
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cassidy hutchinson, who is apparently cooperating with the doj. the former adviser, trump's chief of staff mark meadows, testified before the select committee that meadows knew that january 6th could get bad, that trump knew the crowd was armed. meadows wanted to go to the so-called war room at the willard hotel, and trump didn't want to do anything he saw happening on that occasion, all of which would be of interest in any conspiracy investigation among other things. we're also hearing from other trump officials, former officials, that is, that hutchinson isn't the only one talking with federal prosecutors. >> i am aware of other white house officials who have been reached out to by doj and are planning to cooperate. i think doj is keeping an eye on who is coming for january 6th and who may have helpful information. >> it's not just who was talking now. it's who was talking then and to
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whom. they're gathering hard evidence. a court filing today shows the doj got a new search warrant to examine what's on john eastman's phone. yes, that eastman, as in the eastman memo. the private trump lawyer at the center of the fake elector scheme. dragging their feet? no. if anything, they might just be picking up the pace. but the question is, who should be afraid of hearing the footsteps behind them? i've got two key guests in studio with me tonight, congresswoman stephanie murphy from the january 6th select committee and d.c. police officer daniel hodges. so glad you are both here. he defended the capitol that very day. you remember this video of him being crushed in a door, as he fought valiantly to keep the rioters out. i want to thank both of you for being here. we're going to launch into the the fact that pompeo may be testifying. i want to recognize this moment here. it was about a year ago to the
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date where you testified on the hill and the two of you were in that hearing room and you had an opportunity to thank this officer for helping you to go home that day. i want to remind the public of what that moment was like. >> i have a 10-year-old son and a 7-year-old daughter. they're the light of my life. and the reason i was able to hug them again was because of the courage that you and your fellow officers showed that day. >> we all remember that. i see in your eyes right now that it's difficult to even relive that and to hear that and the humility that you showed in that moment. what is it like for the two of you to be here today together, your first interview together, i would add? what does this moment feel like to you? >> it's -- we've come a long way since the first hearing. a lot of information has come out, and i'm very grateful to the congresswoman and the rest of the committee and the staff for the work they have done. and, yeah, i'm looking forward
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to the rest of the information coming out and sitting here with the congresswoman, it's great to see, you know, the lives that we managed to protect that day continue on and continue to thrive. >> so important. as a mother, it must be just a constant reminder to know and watch what happened in this -- on january 6th -- just how devastatingly violent and how this could have gone. >> yeah, you know for me, it's just -- i'm still so grateful for officer hodges and all of the other officers who ensured that all the members of congress and all of the folks, staff and otherwise in the capitol, were able to go home and hug their children and their family members. and i think it's why the mission of the committee has been so important, is for us to start with the commitment to duty that these law enforcement officers showed in protecting the capitol and then laying out all the facts that led us up to january
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6th and our last hearing where we highlighted the dereliction of duty, from the president of the united states, who sat by while officers were being attacked violently, while people were hunting down his vice president and other members of congress, and he sat for 187 minutes choosing not to do anything. >> when you think about that, just the sheer number, 187 minutes, i mean, that is an extraordinarily painfully long amount of time. and we saw the effort happening. when you go through and think about how you methodically have laid out the testimony and the evidence, people are very critical at the end of the day, comparing it to a prosecution, which it's not. it's not intended to be a prosecution. i am a prosecutor. it wasn't intended to be that. but there's still the talking point that's out there to try to be dismissive of the work of the committee, that it's not enough, that we should move beyond and we should just overlook what's happening. you heard norman leer make the
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comment of there's the over and there's the next and people want to go to that next. why is it important to you to know that the committee's work is helping to understand this might not be over. >> i think it's really important that the committee lays out the facts for the american people and for history. and i also think that it's important that through the voices of the republicans who refused to cheat to win for somebody they supported and worked for, that through them, the folks who are supporters of the president have permission to support his policies while he was in office but also recognize that his efforts to remain in office when he had lost a free and fair election is out of balance. >> your intention was never to be political. i mean, you were -- you're an officer. you're calling. you've described many times before as being fulfilled. and yet, i wonder, being in this situation, you have been thrown into the political spotlight. i'm not going to call out the
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limelight because i know it's not. the political spotlight. what has it been like for you to now see that the doj is beginning to investigate. they have over 900 people they've already prosecuted, which is no small number. at the last hearing, we saw -- or two hearings ago, we saw a man who has been prosecuted but not sentenced apologize for what happened. what has been your reaction to these prosecutions and the way that the hearings have actually evolved. >> it's a big relief to see progress, visible progress. obviously i'm not privy to the department of justice and their inner workings. i don't know what they've got going on. but i just see what the american people see. and it's a big relief to see things finally come to fruition. and i'm definitely looking forward to the rest of it coming out and where we can go from here. >> well, we're looking at september, right? we're hearing that pompeo might be testifying. how did that come about? was that a live negotiation? i can't imagine he was raising his hand as an eager beaver to
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say, please pick me next. how did that work? >> we don't talk about the specifics of our interactions with the witnesses that come before us. but what i will say is that the committee is dogged about having folks who have relevant information come before our committee. and we're willing to pursue that to whatever end state allows us to receive the information. it's critical and necessary for us to display to the american people. and i think we have a big win with the bannon being charged for contempt. you know, nobody in this country should feel like they are above the law and can defy a congressional subpoena. and for us, we're just trying to get to the facts. >> so, was pompeo subpoenaed? >> we are working with his counsel to engage with him. and that's pretty much what i can say. >> i understand. and i wonder with the parallel happening of the doj, which the work is to be dubone in secret.
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we have a presumption of innocence in this country. we don't want people to have a scarlet letter on their body if they're only being investigated. and yet i wonder what you make of the fact that there seems to be a ramping up or at least investigation ongoing right now with that particular department. >> i think it's a very good sign that our balance of powers, our democracy, law and order, the rule of law, all of that is healthy and alive. and i take great heart in the fact that merrick garland has said that he will pursue justice to wherever it leads. and in our country, that has to be the end state. >> officer, you have seen and probably heard over the last several days the former president speaking with great reverence towards law enforcement in this country and about not wanting to villainize and protecting the officers. it's hard to look at that and hear without thinking about the 187 minutes laid out by the
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committee of not doing anything as far as we know to stop what happened to all of you on capitol hill. what's your reaction to what former president trump has had to say about respect for law enforcement? >> i haven't heard anything he's had to say. i try not to listen to him when i can help it. but hearing you tell me that, it just seems like virtue signaling to me. like him and his base like to imagine themselves as pro-law enforcement but only when the law benefits them. and, yeah, i do not see any support for the police on january 6th. i saw a lot of people defying our lawful orders and assaulting us and trying to make their way into the capitol building to commit acts of violence against congress people and staff and try to overturn a free and fair election. >> congresswoman, is part of the role and the duty of this committee to reflect the reverence that ought to be for
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the law enforcement that guarded your lives that day? >> i don't think it's just to reflect the reverence that should be but also to provide them with the resources they need to be better equipped, god for bid this ever happen to us again. but i think january 6th exposed the capitol as a soft target not just to domestic but also foreign enemies. so, we have a responsibility to provide the folks who are charged with keeping us safe with the resources that they need to do so. >> and responsibility obviously, that old phrase, a republic, if you can keep it. we know how it can be lost. thank you both. nice speaking to each of you in this very poignant moment to see both of you together. we were all touched by that moment one year ago to see it, hear. thank you, both of you. >> great to be with you. >> thank you so much. i'll ask the former attorney general alberto gonzales what he makes of all the news coming from his old department in just a moment. and we'll talk about the biden administration's proposal for
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we'll talk to somebody who's been in his very shoes. here he is now former u.s. attorney general alberto gonzales. thank you for being here. the perfect person to speak with about all the chatter that's happening about what an a.g. ought to be doing. i wonder first primarily what you make of the fact everyone seems to know exactly what they should be doing. you have been the a.g. you're shaking your head. you're reminiscing. tell me what your thoughts are. >> let me express thanks to officer hodges and his colleagues for the work they did on january 6th and keeping members of congress, our staff, the capitol safe. they did their job. now doj investigators and prosecutors are doing their job. and that is to find out who is responsible for what happened, what crimes were committed, and to make decisions as to whether or not they should move forward with the prosecution, whether or not charges decisions now are going to be made in the very
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near future. you think it's wrong to assume that doj is just now ramping up. i think this inn vest interrogation has been in place for quite some time. as you know, laura, very well, these investigations are confidential. you have grand jury proceedings that are secret that are confidential. there's been a lot of work on going. so, we're getting to a point now where i think things are a little bit more public. but i think it's wrong to assume that the department has been sitting by and watching the january 6th hearings. you know, i think that they've been doing their work and i think they're going to be ready to fulfill the attorney general's pledge that those responsible are going to be held accountable. >> you know, it's an important point the idea of what the role of the legislative committee is, having the open hearings in public. that's not what the doj should be doing, with the presumption of innocence, of course, also being there. but also the idea of the people
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believing in the timing and the clock. we know the patience of the american electorate is not as long as ever. but we also know that there is a kind of a timeline, kind of a deadline that's in place when you're talking about close to an election. i have always thought that that included only those who might find themselves on the ballot. that's the thumb on the scale the doj tries to avoid. in this instance, if this were to go up the chain to the prior president or to those who are not currently on a ballot, should the doj consider that in its investigation timeline? >> yeah, these guidelines with respect to announcing investigation or possible charges against someone close to an election really are intended to provide uniformity with respect to charging decisions around the country amongst u.s. attorney offices and to ensure that reputation of the department is protected against suggestions of bias or unfairness.
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but the notion that it would prohibit the attorney general from making a charging decision, to me, i don't believe that that's accurate. i think when the department is ready to make a decision, when the attorney general has made a decision, is ready to announce charges, if that's the direction he's going to go, then that's what they're going to do. obviously they're going to be mindful of the effects it might have with respect to ongoing elections. but in terms of an outright prohibition, you know, again, the attorney general is charged to investigate wrong doing and to prosecute wrong doing. >> speaking of prosecution, the u.s. has prosecuted successfully somebody who's known as the merchant of death. we're learning today that there might be an attempt to have a prisoner swap, as it relates to this person, with russia in exchange for paul whelan, a former u.s. marine, wnba star and two-time olympian brittney griner. now all three have varying
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distinct types of crimes and allegations against them. i wonder what you make of the thought of a prisoner swap, given the lack of parody between the charges. >> you know, i hesitate to be critical or question because i don't know all the facts here. i don't -- other than what's being reported, it appears -- there appears to be some disparity. i'd like to think we would have greater leverage in order to secure the release of these two u.s. citizens. the fact that we might be suggesting trading someone, a convicted arms dealer, someone who's very dangerous, someone that we spent a great deal of time and effort to capture and to bring to justice. but, again, i'm going to hesitate -- i hesitate to be overly critical. i guess i need to get more information to fully understand why this makes the best sense, quite frankly. and it's in the best interest not just of these two americans but also overall in the best
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interest of this country. >> very prudent. what i would expect from a former attorney general, sir, to make sure you had all of the facts. i'm in a different role. i'm going to dive right into all those momentarily. but i appreciate you. thank you for taking the time to be a part of the program tonight. thank you so much. >> thanks, laura. we'll keep dhon very sags going with our panel next. and we'll talk about whether there's a smoking gun somewhere in the doj investigation or a few or none at all in just a moment. [cow mooing] i think i can hear the mooing. [girls laugh] breyers natural vanilla is made with 100% grade-a milk and cream and only sustainably farmed vanilla. better starts with breyers. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a ce-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with nvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. check. and when uc got the upper hand... rinvoq helped visibly repair the colon lining. check.
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a ton of news tonight on the january 6th front. we've heard from a committee member as well tonight. we've heard from an officer who was also there. and we just heard from a former attorney general. so, let's hear from our experts here at the panel today, a former democratic senator doug jones, former deputy assistant attorney general elliott williams, and editor and chief of the dispatch, jonah goldberg. there's a lot of news on the january 6th front. the fact that mike pompeo might go before the committee and they're trying to work with them to figure out a good time, that's big news. that's a cabinet member, for goodness sakes. that's huge. >> that's really big. i think most people thought that they would end the hearing last week, prime time, big show, stunning testimony.
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but they've still got work to do, and they're clearly doing it. as we've talked about before, in these kind of investigations, you know, one hearing leads to another because you've got more witnesses who feel comfortable or compelled to come forward. and it's interesting we may see higher levels folks coming down. >> and the bannon conviction i think has put fire under folks to say, oh, this is real. you can't really thumb your nose, although mark meadows, right, and dan scavino, they were not prosecuted. what's your thought? >> the thing is, the interesting thing about the misdemeanor from hell is that you can actually go to jail for it, as steve bannon is going to find out. it's got a mandatory minimum sentence. mark meadows in a slightly different position as a white house chief of staff. he would have necessarily had some privileges that are hard to get around. >> pompeo? >> pompeo. that's another issue that's out there as well.
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so, he has an incentive. now that we've seen the senior aide to the president going to jail. and so perhaps that might encourage more witnesses to testify. >> all the deference to the lawyers. >> there we go. i know. that's like, no disrespect, but -- here it comes. >> i think the good thing about pompeo testifying is he's the first person to testify who is clearly a potential presidential candidate in 2024. and this signals possibly that they have done the sort of risk/reward calculus. and he's trying to figure out how to do his messaging on january 6th, on stop the steal stuff. there's a lot of people in washington who think mike pence has begun the game of thrones maneuvering. >> you can't sit on the sidelines any longer. and i think the political
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gainesmanship of trying to figure out what all of this means for trump and running against trump, particularly when trump says he's probably going to announce before the midterms, the whole game is started earlier about how to position in a gop race. >> you see some democratic campaigners and thinking about this to try to support those who they think are very aligned with donald trump as extremists and hoping that that will be an easier lift in the general election. that's quite a gamble and not a good one, i can see from your face. >> i have been totally opposed to that from the very beginning. one, i don't think it's right for democrats to play the republican primary anymore than i think it's right for republicans to play in the democrat primaries. we've got open primaries. they should let the other party rise or fall on their own. and it is a hell of a risk. to put some folks -- now, there are some seats that are relatively safe that you're just
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elevating the name. you're not going to have to spend as much money. but the fact that they would get involved and even take the chance that this whole committee is spending so much time and effort to try to show this is just -- it's just wrong. >> it's not just the partisan point of meddling in another party's primary. the bigger point is there is a moral, legal, and constitutional point that has been made about the conduct on january 6th that democrats are looking the other way about and bolstering some of these things. you may have as the governor of pennsylvania literal i ly a guy who -- should i say insurrectionist? but needless to say, he might end up being governor of pennsylvania, and that's happening across the country. some of them are going to win. >> unlike in maryland when governor hogan denounced the nominee in maryland, you're not seeing a lot of that in pennsylvania. maybe a little bit of it, john, i don't know. but kwour are not seeing it right now. personally i think they rally around this guy. >> the thing that drives me
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crazy is the moral component of this, is that we heard a lot of democrats -- we hear a lot of democrats today praising liz cheney for her heroism and her standing up to the gop. we heard about the republicans talking about impeaching donald trump. and now nancy pelosi and various pacts are spending money trying to destroy those guys because they'll be higher to beat. they did it to pete meyer in michigan. i just don't want to hear from people saying how lamentable and sad it is that there are no honorable and principled people in the gop who are fine with trying to destroy these guys on the off chance there will be a slightly better chance of beating a maga person they consider a fascist. if you're going to call them a fascist, you probably shouldn't be channelling millions of dollars in their campaign. >> are you suggesting consistency in washington, d.c.? is this news to you? >> i've been in those cloak rooms.
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>> it's one thing to play hard ball politics. you can't say people are literally a threat to democracy. we're going to nominate them -- we're going to help them get nominated because we think they're going to win. >> and someone is going to win. what's the worse that could happen? >> well, we don't want to answer that question. we've seen on part the worse that can happen. el jot williams, thank you so much. stick around as well. your suit is too good. forget about it. get off the screen. remember when president biden said inflation was just temporary? well, temporary a lot longer than it used to be because that was more than a year ago when he said that. next i'll ask one of the president's senior advisers what the white house is doing to ease america's pain. [ sfx: submarine rising out of water ] minions are bitin' t today. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ minions: the rise of gru, only in theaters.
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see scenes like this, cars lined up at food banks, people relying on the kindness of strangers just to feed their families. chairman jerome powell admits the fed can do very little about food and gas pricesment let's turn to the white house. i'm joined now by a senior adviser to the president gene sperling. gene, i'm glad that you're here today. thank you so much. when you're seeing images of the lines at the food banks, seeing the prices, the turmoil, the tension, the burdens people are feeling. and the question people have is how much longer? they're asked to be patient. how much longer must they be? >> well, we totally understand that even though we have record job creation, even though unemployment is at a historically low 3.6%, and many people have received wages, that it is painful for americans to deal with the higher prices at the gas pump, the higher prices
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in the food line, even though this is clearly a global phenomenon, you know, caused by the aftershocks of an unprecedented pandemic and an unprecedented -- well, unthinkable armed aggression in ukraine that has risen gas prices everywhere. but, you know, we have seen some progress recently. we've seen gas prices come down 72 cents. we've seen in 15 states it's now under $4 that 50,000 gas stations are under $4. and we know a significant cause of that was actions this president took to release the strategic oil reserve, a million a day, and get our allies to contribute to that, that he's made e-15 gas more eligible for the summer. so, we're going to do everything that we can. there's no silver bullet.
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but i think there's a lot of progress we can make, particularly if we had help from congress. and today you saw -- >> actually, excuse me, gene, it's not just help from congress, right? i mean, consumers, they drove down the demand for gas as well. that also helped to support what you're talking about. how much of it can be attributed to the administrations being proactive as opposed to consumers simply reducing the demand for gas? >> actually the treasury department did put out analysis and found about 40 cents of the reduction was due to the president's actions on the strategic pe ttroleum reserve. the president has also suggested we could lower gas prices by another 50 cents if we did a holiday on federal and state gas taxes. you can also see the president taking action across the board. today the president welcomed an agreement by senator schumer and senator manchin that would lower prescription drug costs and cap
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those costs, lower energy costs, lower health care premiums. the action we've taken before is going to allow internet costs to be lower for up to 15 million families. we obviously want to do everything we can to bring down those gas prices. but we're also just going to do everything we can to help the americans with their pocketbook issues. and again there's a lot the president can do and has done administratively. but there's no question we can do more when we get support from congress. and things like prescription drug costs that you saw agreement on today, that can just make a huge difference. as you know, that is one of the major price issues, particularly for older americans year in and year out. >> it certainly is. and i certainly want to share your optimism, as do most americans on that very notion. but we've seen just the past prologue, hanging one's hat on the prospects of progress simply on a statement by senator joe
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manchin when he's been a thorn in the side of economic agenda. are you skeptical about a deal that's made in principle but not actually codified and memorialized. should the american people have ultimate faith that that would have a litmus test in measure of progress? >> look, you know, all i can say is that the president strongly welcomed this agreement by senator schumer and senator manchin. you've seen wide agreement even with people who have disagreed or criticized us before, that this would reduce inflation, reduce the deficit, reduce drug costs, reduce health premiums for 13 million americans. this is in addition to things like the chips act that just has passed the senate and now go to the house, in which i know you have rocha ha na coming on afterwards. and he's played a major role in this. and this is as we're dealing with these immediate problems, i
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think america wants us to take care of these long term supply issues and not put us in a vulnerable situation in the future and make us less dependent, whether it's semiconductors or energy. we want to make sure we have a bit more independence in ensuring we have the supply chains and the overall supply to keep cost down. not just in reaction to this crisis but in the long term as well. >> well, i don't envy you, the idea of having long term solutions, short term solutions, and trying to satisfy an increasingly impatient public is a very difficult task. thank you for being here tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. >> still ahead, a big break through for senate democrats. you heard gene reference it just a moment ago. joe manchin is on board with an energy and health care bill. but does it have a chance?
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for a vote as early as next week. it would provide $369 billion for energy and climate program with the goal of reducing climate emissions by 2030. allow medicare to petition drug prices, cap out pocket price for drugs, and set a 15% corporate minimum tax. schumer says it will be, quote, the greatest pro-climate legislation that has ever been passed by congress. but will it actually pass. congressman roe khanna joins. thank you for staying with us. what do you know about this deal? what should we know? should there be enthusiasm or apt mims behind it? >> we should be excited and enthusiastic. this is over $300 billion of climate investments. the estimates are that it would have 40% reduction of co2
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emissions. it's going to have a tax on corporations not paying tax. i haven't seen all the details. it is significant progress. is it what i would have wanted? no, i would have written more. but it is much, much better than anything that has come before. and i give senator manchin credit. >> why do you think his mind was changed? what was the cost? >> you know, i've been on the outs with some saying let's keep negotiating with senator manchin. and the reason i said that co 2 has said from the beginning that he would be for investments in solar and wind and battery. he's been for that since day one. i said let's engage and negotiate and i'm glad that we continued to negotiate and it looks like we're going to have a deal. politics, there are 435 members of congress, a hundred senators. not everyone can get exactly what they want. it's the art of figuring out what moves the ball forward. this has a very good chance of making an enormous impact. >> you're nodding your head. you've been one of the 100.
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>> i think this is a monumental moment. i know everybody is a little skeptical because we've seen deals in principle and all of a sudden they fell through. the difference is this has been going -- clearly this has been something that has been kept under wraps because the same day that it came out they released a 725-page text to it. it's down. it's in writing. this is not just in principle. this is a big deal and it is a big deal for the administration who have been pushing these things, it is a big deal for the senate, which has had some wins this week with the chip bill and other things. this gives i think the administration, it gives democrat and it quite frankly gives the country a little momentum and a little uplift. >> how about republicans? and they are at the table as well. what do you feel about the idea this is truly the type of compromise that could actually pass, not just be written? >> on the chip side, i give senator todd young, the republican, credit.
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that's a big bill. it's about inventing things, making things, buying things here. taiwan is go to be 1 semiconductors fabs and manufacturing jobs in places like ohio. this is bringing production back. there were republicans involved like todd young and mike gallagher who helped make that possible. >> what do you make of that, jonah? >> i would want to tinker with it difficultly but it's a net good piece of legislation and i'm glad it's going to pass. i saw somewhere that manchin is billing this as the inflation reduction bill, right, and first of all i'm very curious to know what sinema has to say and i want to know if mitch mcconnell is going to have joe manchin's favorite horse's head put in his bed that manchin is going to wake up next to tomorrow morning. >> i love a "godfather" reference. >> is that from the "godfather"?
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>> i almost took all of the credit away. >> this illustrates in many ways that joe manchin, not joe biden, is it in the sweet spot of american poll tuxitics and the spot of the politics. >> the president gets credit for whatever passes. >> and gets blamed for whatever doesn't. >> this is so significant because voters are going to trust joe manchin to say it's going to lower inflation. he's saying this is going to lower the deficit, increase taxes on kacorporations, which anti-inflationary. these are investments in clean energy that will make us more energy independent. i think this is a huge win for the country. >> my point is simply that you're right, that more people
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are going to believe joe manchin than are going to believe joe biden because joe biden's standing right now is really, really poor and weak and joe manchin is really where the majority of americans are. >> where is sinema? >> if you have the president and senator schumer and the speaker and progressives, i think this is going to pass. putting the polls aside, which i grant the polls aren't great, if you look at if these go through, you look at the american rescue plan, the infrastructure bill, energy independence in the biggest climate bill, the bill to reduce medicare prices, that's looking like a pretty good record. you run for office to become president to do stuff and he's getting stuff done. >> jonah's right. this is where america is. joe had to move that way. he wasn't there. >> manchin or biden? >> joe manchin had to move that way. i think joe biden has been there. he's let schumer and manchin
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duke this out but manchin had to move more to the center. the white house knew it was going to be reduced a good bit. the progressive caucus knew this was going to be reduced a bit. the question i've got now is not sinema. i think sinema will back this. the question i've got is whether or not bernie sanders will because bernie has come out and criticized this somewhat. at the end of the day i think it's a reconciliation bill so you only need 50 democratic senators plus the vice president so i think it passes. >> is sanders on board? do you know? >> i haven't talked to senator sanders. he's a pragmatist that takes progress. he'll look at it and evaluate it but if he sees it's good for the climate and reduce emissions, he'll be favorably inclined. >> they say success has a thousand fathers, failure and orphans. let's see what this child
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