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tonight big developments in the investigations into the january 6th insurrection and. both of the department of justice and the january 6th committee engaging key witnesses and seeking new testimony. including a possible committee deposition of trump secretary of state mike pompeo. as soon as this week. cnn's ryan nobles has all the
details from washington. >> the department of justice investigation into the events that led to january 6th is expanding at a rapid pace. >> i am aware of other white house officials who have been reached out to by doj, and are planning to cooperate. >> former weiss out staffer elissa farah, telling cnn, the doj has reached out to more administration officials and the trump white house. -- top aides to bike vice president mike pence. cnn learning that cassidy hoskinson, a former trump aide to the chief of staff is the latest official from the last administration to start cooperating with the doj's criminal investigating. >> i think doj is keeping an eye on on who's coming before january six, and who may have helpful information. >> the news comes at the same time sources tell the washington post post and the new york times, that federal investigators have asked questions specifically about donald trump's actions. suggesting they are probe is getting closer to the former president himself. all while a separate state level investigation is looking
at trump and election interference in georgia. >> you see, and pincer movement on donald trump. and perhaps this will be the occasion in which he cannot dodge criminal liability. >> the public posture of the doj is welcome news to members of the january 6th select committee. who have been publicly pleading with federal prosecutors to take action. >> that encourages me, or it solidifies and the understanding i have operated with. which is the department of justice is a vast arsenal of resources at their disposal. these are extremely confident effective lawyers, they know what they are doing. >> however, there is no question the political calendar and impending presidential announcement by trump could complicate their plans. and trump continues to show no sign he is backing down. >> now we have the january 6th, on select committee, of political hacks and thugs. >> attorney general merrick garland pledged that nothing, including political pressure
will impede their investigation. >> we will hold accountable anyone who is criminally responsible for attempting to interfere with the transfer of legitimate -- legitimate lawful transfer of power from a administration. >> don there is no doubt that the department of justice is expanding their investigation. we shouldn't take that to mean that the january 6th select committee is wrapping things up. in fact, they're moving full speed ahead. i am told that they have begun engaging with the former secretary of state mike pompeo. that he could sit for a closed-door deposition as soon as this week. and it comes as the committee is increasingly interested, in members of former president donald trump's cabinet. and in particular, the conversations related to the 25th amendment. in the wake of the january 6th capitol riot, and is expected, in addition to people like pompeo. there will be more cabinet officials that the committee calls before them. don? >> ryan, thank you very much. we're going to talk more about that with cnn senior legal
analyst elie honig. and scott jennings. that was a juicy report gentlemen, good evening. mr. jennings, let start with you. liz cheney on cnn said that the committee wanted to engage with former cabinet officials. look! they may speak to pompeo, as soon as this week. they want to know about the conversations surrounding the 25th amendment. why is that important, do you think? >> obviously, if the presidents cabinet was having conversations of that serious you know -- the nature of which were that serious. the idea that the president could discharge his duties. obviously they would've had information in theory. that would be of interest to this committee, around this topic. i'm not surprised, they want to talk about it. it was always hard for me to tell, at the time, was this just rumor monger-ing going on? or how serious you know where these conversations about the 25th amendment? i guess that's one thing we will learn here. how deeply these talks went, and how close it ever really came to happen. >> these 25th amendment conversations, elie, happened after the six. and could speak to the ex
president's state of mind, in that time. in those days. what do you want to know? >> it certainly could speak to the cabinet's perception of donald trump's state of mind. i don't think it tells much about what was in donald trump's mind. the 25th amendment is remarkably drastic. to even be considered. i think the question scott, hit the nail on the head, how far did these conversations go? was it chatter out there in the ether? was that something there was a more concentrated focused conversation? remember, cassidy hutchinson testified, that as far as she knew. that then secretary pompeo had talked with mark meadows. the chief of staff, cassidy hutchinson's bob about potentially rallying up some of the cabinet members. pompeo has denied this. so it will be interesting to see where it goes. the 25th amendment is designed to remove a -- temporarily remove power from a president who is incapacitated. so that's how traumatic that particular amendment is. >> elie, we now know three
former white house officials cooperating with the doj. marc short, greg jacob's, and cassidy hutchinson. pair that with the washington post reporting that prosecutors have been asking very specific questions about trump. does that tell you anything about the direction of this investigation? >> i think those are innocents one in the same development. if you're going to question mark short, or cassidy hutchinson, you are naturally going to be asking them about donald trump and mark meadows. and everyone in the white house. but yes don, i think there's been a sea change in what we know about doj's investigation. if you think back a month ago, all we knew was that they had done search warrant on john eastman and jeffrey clark. and we knew they had served some subpoenas on the electors. there was nobody inside the white house, no staffers, no deputies, now we know a three. just in the last 24 hours or so. and it would not surprise me at all, to see some other folks testifying in the january six committee, to start popping up in the grand jury. >> scott, as you know, alyssa farah griffin who is now a cnn
coop troubadour, worked in the white house. as she resigned before them. she knows other former trump white house officials at the doj who has reached out to. that is not the january six committee. so do you think the former -- do you think that former trump officials will be more likely to engage with investigators? and spill everything, or much of what they know? >> i think when a federal investigators call you. if you get drug before a grand jury you better tell the truth that's number one. number two, i mean, there's no reason not to cooperate here. i'm sure they all have lawyers, and they -- unless they have done something wrong. so elie would be more qualified to comment on that than me. the one thing, this knowledge, know that we know this investigation is real. we know a grand jury is looking, we know there is specifically looking at trump. if he does not get indicted, and i have heard a lot of prosecutors say they don't expect him to, or it is a stretch. if he does not get indicted, now that we know he was looked
at. he's going to claim exoneration. and so for all the people out there, who are still hoping, that donald trump gets charged with a crime. if it doesn't happen, you know don, how he's going to use this. how this is going to boomerang, how he will use it in the run up to the campaign. i think that's something i'm looking at here. how long all this will take -- >> i think scott. i think he's going to use it anyway, either way, if they do it, or they don't. he's going to say they didn't have enough, they try to get me and they couldn't. and if they do, and they don't, he will say they didn't have enough, they tried. i think he's going to spin it either way. i don't think that matters. i think whoever is -- if they have enough, and they think they should prosecute him, charged, whatever, then they should do it. there is a saying with that, but i won't say it here. so -- ali [laughs] get off the pot. elie, let's dig into the importance of john eastman. you talked about him a moment ago. he was a key player in the thick elector plot. there was a testimony by rnc
chairman ronald cain. >> what did the president say when he called? you >> essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman. who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the rnc helping the campaign gather these contingent electors, in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result. of any of the things. i think more just how the reached out and assembled them. my understanding is that the campaign did take the lead, and we just were helping them in that role. >> so elie, does the doj have to determine if this scheme was at trump's direction? or that eastman is operating on his own? >> so john eastman, first of all, is one of the crucial drivers. here he's the attorney who has good credentials on paper. however, he came up with this
absurd legal theory. that essentially pence could draw out whatever votes he wanted to. seemingly, was the only senate lawyer who seemed to think that was a reasonable legal theory. in fact, there's testimony, eastman himself admitted he knew that theory would lose 90 in the supreme court. and whenever fly. so the question, don, i think you're getting. that is how should they show just donald trump's knowledge? i think that piece of testimony we just saw from ronna mcdaniel. i think that's the one and best piece of testimony. it's not a slam dunk. that donald trump was made directly aware of this plot, and it's illegality. i think prosecutors will be focused on that piece of testimony. if you are prosecuting, or investigating. you're looking for more, is there other evidence that trump was aware of this plot? and was aware of the illegality? >> there's nothing to do with calling georgia, and all of the other things? you don't think that that goes sort -- of >> no, no, that matters as well. yeah i think that matters as well. i think this is really, would we have here is not one unified
conspiracy. i think the way prosecutors ought to approach this, somewhat and the way the january six presented. you have a bunch of separate but overlapping and similarly motivated conspiracies, to pressure mike pence. to call brad raffensperger, or pressure state legislators. to try to tape over doj. i think the proof, on donald trump, is stronger, as to some of those than others. the call to raffensperger being the most direct proof, we have him on tape for an hour, browbeating the sky. i think on the other side of it, i think his involvement with the eastman piece we just heard. is on the thinner side of evidence. >> 11,780 votes -- something like that. thank you both, i appreciated. so we have heard liz cheney and adam kinzinger standing up for the truth on the january 6th hearings. but their party seems determined to turn a blind eye to everything we have seen. or they maga or die? um, oh wow. um, the future is, uh, what's ahead of us. i dodon't get it.
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so growing anxiety among top republicans, including senate gop leader mitch mcconnell that the former president makes the party's nomination in 2024. and despite all the bombshells coming out of the january 6th hearings, the gop is still the party of trump. take a look. this is cnn's latest polling. 40% percent of republicans and republican leading voters want him at the top of the ticket in 2024. let's discuss. peter -- is here, former adviser to president george w. bush and the author of [inaudible] politics, how to heal our frayed republic at the after trump. also with the cnn senior political analyst john avlon, who is making faces -- what are you thinking, what do
you thinking? >> good evening, to you. first of all, it's an honor. but look, that number, what's striking to me is it's down to 44%. you've got to put this in perspective. i know that seems bonkers to folks who have been thankless attention to the january 6th hearings but he's gone from a different majority of the republican party to 44% to be the next nominee. his support is eroded. that's the news in that poll. >> do you agree with that, peter? >> i do. >> because i think this is a snapshot in time -- i think the closer it gets to something actually happening like the midterms or if he declares, i think that number will go. but go on, peter, sorry -- do you agree? >> yeah, i do. it is a snapshot in time, polls always are. there is a trend, actually, over the month or two, that shows his strength of the party is weakening, so -- the poll works. i've done focus groups with people who have been completely pro-trump. and since the january 6th committee and findings, there has been some weakening. would i would say, though, is
that trump was starting from extreme strong point with the republican party. and he has the ability to lose support and still win the nomination. a lot can unfold but he is the dominant figure in the republican party. and for my perspective, it's not just trump who is a threat, but the party itself has been completely trumpify, magnified, if you will. and so there are a lot of mini trump's running around and they are dangerous as well. >> yeah. , peter. so, during the 16 hearings, john, we sought republicans -- kinzinger and cheney -- stand up for the truth. they hit trump hard. by the truth is, though, they are sort of friends of their own party, right now. i keep talking about the friends -- i mean -- >> there are the honorable outliers. >> yes! i don't mean a negative way. but they are outliers, that's a better way of putting it. >> and the trump crew's establishment. >> bright. >> as crazy is that may seem --
they are, look. we say this a lot of times in politics, one -- in majority. over time. they are outliers right now but they are putting their credibility, their conscience on telling the truth. over democracy. over time that will be the winning bet. in the short term, they're taking political heat and realizes for it. and that, i think, highlights -- >> there are people that don't want to believe that this is where the party is going, that the establishment of the party is kind of, as peter said, that many trumps that are running around -- and every time you say something of the party, anyone says something about the party that is critical, they go, when that liz cheney? what about adam kinzinger? and it's almost like, the [inaudible] emails from the [inaudible] about those two because they are a very small minority! >> whataboutism muscle has gotten over used in recent years. but look, people like pete wehner, people like liz cheney, people like adam kinzinger, honorable, genuinely conservative, genuinely christian people who are not
conservative populist, -- nationalism and donald trump and the whole knew nothing impulse that goes with that, where you've got to deny what you see, those folks are on the outside right now. but i do think -- look, the key part about any cult, any extremist group is, they have to hunt for heretic's. they call out the people who have the courage to break with the pack. because those people represent the greatest threat to their group cohesion. and that's the dynamic we are seeing right now. >> peter, i have new your new york times op-ed that you wrote. it is about elise stefanik and it shows clearly where the gop wants to be. some of -- someone who worked with george w. bush, someone who worked in the george of you wish administration. i have to get my mouth to work. but she made the switch. two proud micro republican. and she is not looking back. she is the future of the gop, not kinzinger or cheney. >> she is in the short term, there's no question about it. i mean, she is number three
republican. she replaced liz as the number three republican. she is on the shortlist, i imagine, for trump vp. that is a tragedy of the republican party but she embodies it. john kennedy said there's a reason profile in courage is a slim volume. they're just not that many people willing to stand up with courage. if there is a cost to standing up with courage. i don't know what's liz's doing or what adam is doing is going to win in the short, medium or long term. i do know this -- in the end, all we can be is faithful to what we believe is right and truly good. you cannot make your actions conditioned on success. you can only do what do you think is the right thing to do. they are doing the right thing. and history will bear them out, that they did the right thing, and they should be praised for that. >> yeah, they are doing the right thing. >> and i think one thing that peters column makes a very clear point is, there's a cynical career isn't behind a lot of the stuff. it is people who felt that the wind was going in a certain direction and they abandoned all their alleged beliefs at one point because i thought it was the best way to get ahead, because of how corrupting the
piper partisan economy actually is. >> yeah. listen, we are seeing this -- i don't know if it is weird or brilliant. well, it is weird. [inaudible] thumbing maga republicans and hope that they win the primary in the thinking is that democrats will have an easier time beating maga republicans in the general election. is it a smart move, john, what do you think? >> i think it is incredibly cynical and critical and i teed off on this the other day on reality check, particular because they bought a four new thousand dollar ad buy against peter. here is a guy who is an army veteran, rising star in the party represents gerald ford zones district, someone who voted to impeach donald trump, someone who voted to certify the election. someone who voted for the gun reform bill. somebody who voted for to protect same-sex marriages. these are folks, one week, out the dccc is going to take 400,000 dollar ad buy against, developed a name idea of his opponents? come on now. >> peter, last word? >> i completely agree with
john. it may work in some races and it may not. and if you let a maga trump republican win, that is really bad for the country. but it is cynical. look, there is enough cynicism going on in politics now, you don't need people to add to it. politics can be a noble profession. and when you get people they're acting this way, with the way the maga republicans are, it looks like a disgrace. and that is not good for a country because politics matters. >> that's. right >> fascinating conversation and i encourage you to read peter's piece in the new york times -- explains what's going on. and that kind of explains with is going on in the republican party right. now thank you gentlemen. appreciate it >> thanks, don. >> a cnn exclusive the biden ministration offering a prisoner swap to free brittney griner and paul whelan. the details, next. so carvana worked with my shift manager to get it all worked out. i wawas over the moon, even thoh i was underground. we'll drive you happy at carvana.
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>> a major development tonight and the effort to bring detained americans home. cnn can exclusively report the biden administration has made an offer to vladimir putin. that would send a convicted arms russian dealer back to moscow. in exchange for wnba star brittney griner, and former marine paul whelan. cnn's kylie atwood broke the story for us, she joins us now. kylie, hello to you. what are you learning about this offer from the biden administration to the russians? >> significant on, we're learning that victor booth is convicted arms dealer is part of the proposal that the biden administration has put forward. to secure the release of paul whelan and brittney griner. he is an infamous guy. he has carried out a number of
really significant crimes. he is known around the world for decades. he was smuggling arms into countries that are active war zones. places like afghanistan and south america. in the middle east. so this is someone that the russians have had their eye on the kremlin has made it clear through russian state media. that they want him back. so it's significant that the biden administration is now willing, and has put him on the table. we are told that the department of justice officials were opposed to putting him fourth. it was president biden who supported putting him on the table. which eventually overrode their objections. the secretary of state, tony blinken, said today, there was a significant offer, that the biden administration put forth. he did not get into the details. but we are told by a senior administration official. that the russians essentially have not engaged in a substantial way on this offer. that could be one of the reasons. that the biden administration is now coming up and publicly
saying they have put forth this offer. secretary of state is planning to speak with the russian foreign minister about this in the coming days. that will be the first phone call between these top diplomats since russia invaded ukraine earlier this year. >> kylie, this news is coming on the same day that britney griner had another hearing in russia. how does her trial play into this potential deal? if it all? >> u.s. officials are watching that incredibly closely. they're not watching it so much for what the sentencing is. because of russia's judicial system it has a 99% conviction rate. they do expect there is going to be some sort of conviction here. what they are watching for is when that conviction, when that sentencing actually comes. because, u.s. officials have told me, that they don't expect that russia would actually carry out any prisoner swap, before there is sentencing in the griner case. of course, we learned some incredibly harrowing details, in that testimony today. that britney griner provided, in the russian court.
about the significant situation surrounding her arrest in that russian moscow airport. and she talked about the fact that she was not read any rights, that she was confused at times. citing documents she didn't know what she was signing. and how to use google translate at times to really understand the situation she was in. >> kylie thank you i appreciate it. let's bring in jonathan, he was a consultant on the case of trevor reed, who was released from russia and a prisoner swap earlier this year. he also helped to free michael white, and a mere from iran. jonathan, thank, you appreciate you joining us to get perspective on this. do you think putin will agree to this trade? >> i think he will don and thanks for having me. i the reason i think he will us ever since one of their officials came over here in 2016. this has been a highly public priority of his. >> these negotiations, are usually done behind the scenes, as you know.
is it a smart strategy for the biden administration to tell the public that they made an offer? >> i don't know if it's smart or not. i have no idea why they did this. i feel like i have to cheer it though. for years i have been campaigning for them to be more bold in public. and it does seem that the president put mr. bout on the table. and that's what i have been campaigning for. so even though i don't understand why they did it, i feel like i should support it. >> you are -- your former client trevor reed spoke to my colleague earlier, jake tapper, here is what he said about the potential trade. >> i'm extremely optimistic about it. i think that's a good possibility. and i think that you know. if the russians are not stupid they will take that offer. and, i am hoping they are not that stupid. but we will see. >> do you think trevor reeds prisoner exchange helped push
the biden administration to make this offer? >> no question don. i think trevor's parents protesting in dallas, and again in front of the white house. in fact, protesting their way into the oval office. had a lot to do with it, right. i think with the reads, we have been campaigning for the straight since last fall. i think we saw from the ground under and the way i see it. we are getting for more time, the russians are getting off of there. we have to set mr. putin back in 2028, whether we like it or not. and we may as well get something in the deal. >> you know, britney griner was in court today. you say she is a character and a perverse play. that putin is orchestrating. tell me about that? what is he trying to accomplish? >> it's hard to say, you know, he has a history of thinking, seemingly like objects to be
fogged at. we know he is a massage honest. i am not sure where he stands on issues of race. it just seems like he is parading her. you are showing the video now, i think, her first day in court. they had a like seven guards and a police stop. and i don't understand, why that was necessary. i think they were parading her, it's absolutely outrageous. >> in the past, jonathan. the u.s. government has claimed prisoner swaps only in incentivise country to detain americans. we have seen multiple trades within the last few years. what do you think has changed? >> people far smarter than me don, have said, doing these trades is not incentivizing you know, more hostage taking. there is no correlation. would incentivizes more hostage taking is our stubbornness and unwillingness to impose any consequences on the hostage takers. in order to fix the problem, we
have to cause pain for these people. >> thank you jonathan, i appreciate it. >> thanks don. >> cnn exclusively speaking with the principle of robb elementary school in uvalde, texas. the school where 19 children and two teachers were shot to death by a gunman. what's she tells us, coming up next. soul ii soul ] what if you could change your surroundingss with the touch of a finger? now you can. biometric id... inside the innovative, new c-class.
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elementary school in uvalde, texas, speaking out exclusively to cnn in the aftermath of a mass shooting that killed 19 children and two of their teachers. mandy gutierrez, who has been put on paid leave, pending an investigation, says she stands by her actions on that fateful day and that she followed her training. she also says that accusation she was lax about school security are unfair and inaccurate. more tonight from cnn's rosa flores. >> when i was calling chief arredondo, i heard three shots. the initial three shots. >> the principle of robb elementary school in uvalde breaking her silence and answering questions about allegations of lax security at the school. >> i believe that i did my job to the best of my abilities. >> while on forsman's handling of that ill-fated day has seen the most scrutiny up to now,
the families of the victims -- >> they don't give a darn about our children or us. >> turning their carles for accountability towards the school administration, including the school principal, who says she was suspended with pay this, week pending a for performance review relating to campus security. last school year was her first schoolyard's principle. >> every -- starting at that school, [inaudible] needs to be gone. all of the school board meets begun. >> i believe they are entitled to their opinion. i followed the training that i was provided with, to the best of my abilities. >> the texas house investigative committee report revealed that robb elementary had a culture of noncompliance with safety policies, requiring doors to be kept locked, which turned out to be fatal. gutierrez responding to that criticism -- >> was there a culture of noncompliance at robb elementary?
>> absolutely not. any time that an alert went out, any every single teacher around that campus to took it to mean it could be a potential escalating situation. and so everybody follows protocol. >> so, you disagree with the findings of the texas house investigative report? >> i disagree. >> according to the texas house investigative report, a coach that was somewhere on school property, saw the gunman jumped this fence. she used her radio to report it. the principal heard the call and tried to initiate a lockdown using a software application but the wi-fi was bad and she did not use the school intercom. >> they could potentially magnify a situation. >> that's the door that the gunman used to enter the school, according to the report, the door was unlocked. had the door been locked, as the policy required, it would have likely slowed down the gunman. instead, surveillance video showed the gunman walked into the building through an unlocked door.
why was that door unlocked that day? >> i am not sure why that door was unlocked. >> so, that door was normally locked during the day? >> always locked. >> always? >> yes. >> then, walked into a classroom, which was likely unlocked, according to the report. the report also states that the principal, teachers and even many fourth grade students widely knew of the problem with a lock to room 111. but no one place to work order to repair the lock -- not the principle, not anyone else. gutierrez disputes that account. >> would i know for a fact is that the door to room 111 did, in fact, lock. >> it did? >> the teacher has to use the key to enter. >> so, somehow, the report says that it was likely unlocked. so, somehow, it could have been unlocked on that today. >> it's possible. >> some of the families of the victims say, any safety lapses were inexcusable.
>> what did you tell her? >> we failed our children. you failed our children. >> [inaudible] close to my staff. and my students. and many of their families. it's an unimaginable pain, to know that we don't have those individuals with us anymore. those families that are missing their loved ones, every single day. >> the texas house investigative committee standing by their report, the chairman issuing a statement to cnn, saying, that that is based on testimony from multiple individuals, from multiple agencies. as for the school district, a spokes person did respond to our request for comment. but said that they are [inaudible] to answer questions. don? >> rosa, thank you very much. up next, w kamala bell taking on a different kind of issue in this week's episode of united
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so this week on all new episode of united shades of america. w. kamau bell this is northern california, to find out why these catastrophic fires are happening. and what if anything that we can do to prevent them. here is a preview. >> they found that the economic impact of the health effects of the lowered air quality was just as high as all of the destruction of structures, literally things burning down. >> wow. >> my perception, and the time
i have been here. is that the wildfires are affecting various swath of california. >> basically like ten times more areas burning per year now that there was in the 70s, or the 80s. >> why is that? >> those two things, the climate change issue, you know, that's a global problem. and it's going to continue to get warmer. and in the west. that means drier. and more conducive to fires. but also we have huge buildup of fuel because of fire suppression. >> so joining us now, the host of united shades of america, w. kamau bell, he's also the director of the emmy nominated series, we need to talk about cosby. and the new new york times, best selling coauthor, of: do the work, an anti racist activity book! available now. good evening sir. welcome to the club by the way. >> yeah, happy to be part of
the best seller. >> new york times, the best selling club. listen, you know i love your show, i love you. this climate clairesa's a huge thing. we did a report, on the 10:00 hour here eastern on cattle farmers and what they are facing as it comes to the climate crisis. this issue right now on the crisis, california is one of the places that's experiencing the worst of it. what made you want to take on this issue on your show? >> i mean, this was a home game, i live in northern california, even though, luckily my home and my family have never been threatened by wildfires. we've been threatened by the toxic air that comes off it. i was here in september 2020, the red sky day, that only people in northern california can understand how crazy that was. it felt like a way to learn more about my state, and where i live, and how we continue to live here under the circumstances. >> we know that climate change is a factor, in making these wildfires worse. what else is contributing to this problem do you think? >> it's interesting, i talked to a lot of people about what
contributes to the problem. some of it is land management issues. 46% of california's owned by the federal government. it's about the government doing a better job at land management. some of it is about corporate greed, pg&e has been responsible for more than one devastating wildfire in california because they had faulty equipment. some of it is like -- interestingly, smoking -- smoky the bear of did too much of a good job. we have to understand that wildfires are a part of california. it's about how we prepare and make sure the whole landscape does not burn out. >> speaking of, you spoke with firefighters, and wildfire victims. what do they tell you about the impact? of these fires. >> you know, it's one thing when your house burned down. and another thing to try to get the insurance money to pay off. can you afford to rebuild? i heard about paradise, california, where people were waiting for the insurance payments to come in. but they were told they couldn't live on trailers underlined, because it looked bad. so you couldn't live on the land where you had your home,
because it looked bad. so you had -- while you waited for the insurance. it was also about the money that people make off the wildfires, to like clean up the towns, clean up the areas. none of that money goes back into the town. >> this old, saying fight fire with fire. you found out that that really is one of the best ways to try to prevent major wildfires. >> yeah, i got to light fires, the thing my mom always told me not to do when i was home by myself as a kid. i get to go out into the forest, it was private land. let me be clear. and there were lots of people there to watch. i got to set some fires. because of the way to like fern the brush back, so if a fire does happen, there is not as much loose brush on the ground. >> what do you think about other changes needed to -- that we need to make to try to prevent the catastrophic wildfires that have been on the rise? >> yeah. i mean, we spent a lot of time in episodes talking to native folks, and native firefighters, indigenous firefighters, from
the tribe california. talking about how native folks in this land knew how to deal with the fire. and how to treat the fire, and how to control the fire. a lot of this is about letting people who have this line, actually share their knowledge with us. >> i just remember taking the trip of pch and going into towns into northern california. and some of the towns were shut down, roads were blocked. because there had been fires there recently. unless you live there, you don't really understand. because you don't experience it. >> -- >> thank you, w. kamau bell congratulations on the book, and on the show. good to see you. >> good to be seen. >> thank you sir. be sure to tune into the all new episode of united shades of america with w. kamau bell, sunday, 10 pm, only here on cnn. thank you for watching everyone, our coverage continues.
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good evening. we begin with breaking news on the january six investigation. the latest in a string of major developments on the subject throughout the day. cnn has learned from multiple sources that former secretary of state, mike pompeo, could sit down for a deposition with the house select committee as soon as this weekend. we've seen more indications today that the other investigation, the justice department's criminal probe, has progressed farther than previously thought. earlier today, cnn learned that the justice department obtained a second warrant for that man, right-wing attorney john eastman's cell phone. this one permitting them to actually look at the contents of the cell phone. eastman, as you know, is the one who cooked at the dubious legal rationale for overturning the election. also today, there is where that
cassidy hutchinson, former top aide to then white house chief of staff, mark meadows, who testified before the january six committee, is cooperating with the department of justice. that's according to a source who acknowledged that discussions. it comes with the caveat. we don't yet know the extent of her cooperation. we are learning, though, that she is not alone. this morning, an acquaintance of hers, former white house communications director and current cnn political commentator, alyssa griffin, said she is, quote, aware of other white house officials who have been reached out to by the department and are planning to cooperate, and quote. she was more specific when asked about it this afternoon. >> there was someone else in the broader network who i consider mid level that could support some of what they are looking into, specifically around similar questions to what's short was asked about, which is the pressure campaign on mike pence in the days leading up to january 6th, those games up things like fake electors, and even some of these creative ways the certain officials at the department of justice wanted to bypass the law to try to hold on to