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hilarious sitcoms of all-time, norman layer, who brought us all in the family, the good times, the jefferson's and so many others. he is still working. today, he penned an off head -- op ed for the new york times, it starts, well, i made it. he talked about the career but mostly the current political moment and the current direction of our politics and culture. he then explains how he tries to manage the ups and downs of life, an attitude that he explained to me during an interview last year, just before he turned 99. >> what is your secret? >> if there is a secret, there are two little words that i don't pay enough attention to, over and next. when something is over, it is over? we are on to next. if there was a hammock in the middle, that would be the best way i know of identifying living the expression, living in the moment. i would like to think to live in the moment.
i spent the last day since i knew that we would be talking looking forward to this moment, and i adore everything. >> he adores living each moment. an excellent suggestion on how to live in these complicated times. happy birthday, norman mayer. thank you for all you have done. the news continues. let's hand it over laura coats and cnn tonight. >> it is picking all that i have not dissing the mauve theme song and medic a diver. it is all in my mind right now. i some him speak once, and i was just in awe in the front row. it reminds me of this nostalgia of watching all my children with my parents, anderson, i am jealous, jealous, that is my point. live in the moment, this moment right now, i am angry at you. thank you so, i appreciate it. everyone, i am laura coats and this is cnn tonight. the january 6th select committee is not arresting.
multiple sources telling cnn that the former secretary of state, mike pompeo, could sit for a deposition as soon as this week. the committee shift the cabinet level official seems to indicate that they are interested in conversations about invoking the 25th amendment after the attack on the capitol. now pompeo will join a list of several level officials to meet with the committee. the panel is not the only one moving forward. it is now clear that the doj has been dragging its feet. it is putting one foot in front of the other. where it ends up is not entirely certain. but the doj seems to have its marching orders in place. tonight, we will follow those footsteps and dive into how far the doj has reached into the trump administration and, specifically, where federal prosecutors are now focusing their efforts. according to the washington post, quote, there are two principal tracks of the investigation, unquote. the first, such as conspiracy,
in other words, the same charges that the department has brought to defendants and groups like the proud boys and, of course, the oath keepers. the same group of the january six committee attempted to connect trump in prior hearings. the second, the false electors scheme. we cannot give this one short shift either. the goal, of course, to prevent the certified and legitimate electoral votes from being counted on january six. that would have been the official proceeding. that is important context here, as we learn more and more about who investigated talked -- investigators are talking with. we know now that includes cassidy hutchinson, who is apparently cooperating with the doj. the former adviser, trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, testified before the senate committee that meadows knew that january six would get bad, that trump knew the crowd was armed. meadows wanted to go to so-called war with the -- at
the willard hotel, but trump did not want to do anything that he saw happening on that occasion. all of which would be of interest in any conspiracy investigation, among other things. we are also hearing from other trump officials, former officials that is, that hutchinson is not the only one talking with federal prosecutors. >> i am aware of other white house officials who have been reached out to buy the doj and are planning to operate. the doj's keeping an eye on who is becoming before january six and who may have helpful information. >> it is not just who is talking now, it was who's talking then? and to whom? they are gathering hard evidence. a court filing today shows the doj got a new search warrant to examine what is on john eastman 's phone. yes, that eastman, as in the eastman memo. the private trump lawyer at the center of the fake elector scheme. dragging their feet? no, if anything, they might be picking up the pace. the question is, who should be afraid of hearing the footsteps behind them?
i've got two key guest in with me tonight, congresswoman stephanie murphy from the january 6th elect committee and d. c. police officer, daniel hodges. so glad that both of you are here. you remember this video of him being crushed as he fought valiently thank you the right is out. i want to thank both of you for being here. we will watch into the fact that pompeo may be testifying, but before, i want to recognize this moment here. it was about a year ago to the date that we are in now, where you first testified on the hill. the two of you were in that hearing room, and you had an opportunity to thank this officer for helping you to go home that they. i want to remind the public of what that moment was like. >> i have a ten-year outside and seven year old daughter. they are the light of my life. the reason i was able to hug them again was because of the courage that you and your
fellow officers showed that day. >> we all remember that moment. i see in your eyes right now that it's difficult to relive and hear that. the humility you showed in that moment. what is it like for the two of you to be here today, your first interview together, i would add, what is this moment feel like to you? >> we have come a long way since the first hearing. a lot of the information has come out, and i am grateful to the congresswoman and the rest of the committee and staff for the work that they have done. yeah, i am looking forward to the rest of the information coming out and sitting here with congresswoman, it is great to see the lives that we managed to protect that they do continue on and continue the fight. >> it is so important. as a mother, it must be a constant reminder to know and watch what happened on january six, just how devastatingly violent and how this could've gone? >> for me, i am still so
grateful for officer hodges and the other officers to ensure that all the members of congress and all of the folks, staff and otherwise, in the capital were able to go home and hug their children and family members. i think it is why the mission of the committee has been so important. it is for us to start with the commitment to duty that these law enforcement officers showed in protecting the capital and then laying out all the facts that led us up to january six in our last hearing, where we highlighted the dereliction of duty from the president at the united states, who sat by while officers were being attacked violently, while people were hunting down his vice president and other members of congress, and he sat for 187 minutes, choosing not to do anything. >> when you think about that, this year number, 187 minutes, and that is an extraordinarily
painful amount of time. we saw the effort -- when you go through and think about how you methodically laid out the testimony and the evidence, people are very critical at the end of the day, comparing it to a prosecution, which it is not. it is not intended to be a prosecution. i am a prosecutor. it was not intended to be that. but there is still the talking point out there to try to be dismissive of the work on the committee, that it is not enough, that we should go beyond and overlook what is happening. you heard the norman mayor say that it is the over and the next, the people i want to go to the next. why is this so important to you to know that the committee's work is helping to understand that this may not be over? >> i think it is important that the committee lays out the facts for the american people and for history. i also think that it is important through the voices of the republicans who refused to cheat to win for somebody they supported and work for but,
that through them, the folks who are supporters of the president have permission to support his policies while he was in office, but also recognize that his efforts to remain in office, when he lost a free and fair election was out of bounds. >> your intention is never to be the political. you are an officer. you said your coin is to be fulfilled. yet, i wonder, being in the situation, you have been thrown into the political spotlight. i would not call it the limelight, because i know it is not. no political spotlight, what has it been like for you to not see that the doj is beginning to investigate. they have over 900 people that they are able to prosecute, which is no small number. two hearings ago, we saw a man that had been prosecuted but not sentenced apologized for what happened. what has been your reaction to the prosecutions, the way that the hearings have actually evolved?
>> it is a big relief to see progress. obviously, i'm not privy to the department of justice and their inner workings. i don't know what they have going on. but i got to see what the american people see, and it is a big relief to see things finally come to fruition. i am definitely looking forward to the rest of it coming out and where we can go from here. >> we are looking at september, right? we are hearing that pompeo might be testifying. how did that come about? was that a live negotiation? i cannot imagine he was raising his hand as eager beaver saying, please, pick me next. how does that work? >> we don't talk about the specifics of our interactions with the witnesses that come before us, but what i will say is that the committee is not -- is dogged about having folks who have relevant information for our investigation come before our committee, and we are willing to pursue that to whatever and state that allows us to receive the information. it is so critical unnecessary
for us to the spy to the -- us to display to the american people. i think we have a big win with bannon being charged for contempt. nobody in this country should feel like they are above the law and can defy a congressional subpoena. for us, we are just trying to get to the facts. >> was pompeo subpoenaed? >> we are working with his counsel to engage with him, and that's pretty much what i can say. >> i understand. i wonder what the parallel of what's happening with the doj, the work is to be done in secret, we have a presumption of innocence in this country. obviously, we don't want people to have a scarlet letter on their body, if they are only being investigated. yet, i wonder what you make of the fact that there seems to be a ramping up or, at least, an ongoing investigation with a particular department. >> i think it is a very good sign that our balance of power, our democracy, law and order, court of law, all of that is
healthy and alive. i take great heart in the fact that merrick garland has said that he will pursue justice to wherever it leads. in our country, that has to be the end state. >> officer, you have seen and probably heard over the last several days the former president speaking with great reverence towards law enforcement in the country and about not wanting to vilify and protect the officers. it is hard to look at that without thinking about 187 minutes laid out by the committee of not doing anything, as far as we know, to stop what happened to all of you on capitol hill. what is your reaction to what former president trump has had to say about respect the law enforcement? >> i have not heard anything he has had to say. i try not to listen to him, when i can hope it. hearing you tell me that, it seems like virtue signaling to me. him and his base like to imagine themselves as pro law enforcement but only when the
law benefits them. i do not see any support for the police on january 6th i saw a lot of people to find a lawful order and assaulting us, trying to make their way into the capital building to commit acts of violence against congress people and staff and try to overturn a free and fair election. >> congresswoman, as part of the role and duty at this committee to reflect the reverend that ought to be for the law enforcement who guarded your lives that day? >> it is not just to reflect the reverence, but also to provide them with the resources that they need to be better equipped, god forbid, this ever happens to us again. i think january six exposed the capital as a soft target, not just to domestic foreign enemies. we have a responsibility to provide the folks who are charged with keeping them safe with the resources that they
need to do so. >> but obviously, that old phrase, a republic, if you can keep it. well we know how it can be lost. think about. this very poignant moment to see both of you together. we were all very touched by that moment one year ago today. to see here today, thank you, both of you. representative stephanie murphy, officer daniel hodges, thank you very much. i will ask the former attorney general, alberto gonzalez what he makes of all the news coming from his bowl department in a moment. we will talk about the biden administration proposal for russia. give us britney griner, give us paul whelan, and you can have your arms dealer back. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system.
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ahead in the doj's investigation into 2020 election interference, excuse me. just today, we have learned several new details. former trump white house aide cassidy hutchinson is cooperating with the feds. they are apparently obtaining a warrant as well for the contents of john eastman's cell phone. number, a headphone, this is now the contents of the cell phone to actually be able to view what is on it. the doj is asking the january six committee for more transcripts. what does all this mean for where attorney general merrick garland's investigation stands? and also where is going? let's talk to somebody who has been in his very shoes. here he is now, former u.s. attorney general, alberto gonzales. thank you for being here, the perfect person to speak with about all the chatter that is happening about the expectations of what the ag ought to be doing. i wonder first, primarily, what you make of the fact that everybody seems to know exactly what they should be doing. you have been the ag, you are shaking your head, your you are
reminiscing, i know you are, tell me what your thoughts are. >> before i get into that, let me just express my thanks to officer hodges and his colleagues for the work that they did on january six in keeping members of congress and staff at the capitol safe. they did their job. now, the doj investigators and prosecutors are doing their job, that is to find out who is responsible for what happened, what crimes were committed and to make decisions as to whether or not they should move forward with the prosecution, whether or not charging decisions are going to be made in the near future. i think it is wrong to assume that the doj is now ramping up. i think this investigation has been in place for quite some time. as you know, very well, that these investigations are confidential. you have grand jury proceedings that are secret that are confidential. and so a lot of the work is ongoing. and so we are getting to a
point now where i think things are a bit more public. i think it's wrong to assume that the department has been sitting by and watching the january six hearings. i think they have been doing their work, and i think they they're going to be ready to fulfill the attorney general's pledge that those responsible will be held accountable. >> it is an important point, the idea of what the role of the legislative committee is having, this open hearings in public. that's not with the doj should be doing, with presumption of innocence, of course, being there. but also, the idea of people believing the time and the clock. we know, of course, the patience of the american electorate is not as long as ever. but we also know that there is a kind of a timeline, kind of a deadline that is in place. we are talking about close to an election. i have also always thought that included only those who might find themselves on a ballot, that is the thumb on the scale as the doj tries to avoid. in this instance, if this were to go up the chain to the prior
president or to those who are not currently on a ballot, should the doj consider that in its investigation timeline? >> yeah, these guidelines, with respect to announcing investigation and possible charges against someone close to an election really are intended to provide uniformity with respect to charging decisions around the country amongst u.s. attorney offices. and to ensure that reputation of the department is protected against suggestions of bias or unfairness. but the notion that it would prohibit the attorney general from making a charging decision, to me, i don't believe that that's accurate. i think when the department is ready to make a decision, when the attorney general has made a decision is ready to announce charges, if that's the direction he is going to go, and that is what they are going to do. obviously, they have to be
mindful of the effects it might have with respect to ongoing elections. but in terms of an outright prohibition, again, the attorney general is charged to investigate wrongdoing and prosecute wrongdoing. >> speaking of prosecution, the u.s. has prosecuted successfully somebody who is known as the merchant of death. we are learning today that there might be an attempt to have a prisoner swap, as it relates to this person with russia in exchange for paul whelan, a former u.s. marine, and at the wnba star and two -time olympian, britney griner. now all three have very distinct and different types of crimes and allegations against them. i wonder what you make of the thought of a prisoner swap, given the lack of parity between the charges? >> i hesitate to be critical or question because i don't know all the facts here. i don't -- other than what is being reported, it appears to be some
disparity. i would like to think that we would have greater leverage in order to secure the release of these two u.s. citizens. the fact that we might be suggesting trading someone, a convicted arms dealer, someone that is very dangerous, someone that we spent a great deal of time and effort to capture and to bring to justice -- but again, i'm hesitate to be openly critical. i guess i need to get more information to fully understand why this makes the best sense, quite frankly, and is in the best interests not just of these two americans but also overall in the best interest of this country. >> very prudent, what i would expect from a former attorney general, sir. to make sure you have all the facts. i am in a different role, i will dive into all those momentarily. but i appreciate you. thank you for taking the time to be part of the program tonight, thank you so much. >> thanks, laura. >> we will keep this conversation going with our panel next. we will talk about whether there is a smoking gun in the
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a ton of news tonight from the january six front. we heard from a committee member as well tonight. we heard from an officer who was also there. and we just heard from a former attorney general. let's hear from our experts here at the panel today. former democratic senator doug jones, former assistant attorney general elliott williams and editor-in-chief at the dispatch, jonah goldberg. glad you are all here. there is a lot of news on the january six front. the thought that mike pompeo
might go before the committee, and they're trying to work with them to figure out a good time that is pretty big news. it is a cabinet member, for goodness sake. that is huge. >> it is really huge. look, i think most people thought that they will and they hearing last week, primetime, big show, with stunning testimony. but they still have work to do. and they are clearly doing it. we have talked about it before, in these kind of investigations, one hearing leads to another because -- comfortable or move forward. >> that bannon conviction is putting a little bit of fire under people to say that this is real, things just got real. when he is convicted for contempt, you could tell me or knows, although mark meadows, right? and dan scavino, they were not prosecuted. what is your thought? >> the interesting thing about the misdemeanor from is that you can actually go to jail for
it, as steve bannon will find out. they have a mandatory minimum sentence. look, mark meadows is in a different position as the white house chief of staff. he would not necessarily have some privileges that are hard to get around -- >> but pompeo? >> pompeo, that is another issue that is out there as well. he has an incentive now that we have seen a senior aide to the president go to jail. perhaps, that might occur as more witnesses testify. >> all the difference to a lawyer. >> here we go, that is like, no disrespect, but here it comes. [laughs] >> i think the most significant thing about pompeo testifying is that he's the first person that testified who is clearly a presidential candidate for 2024. this signals possibly that they have done the risk reward calculus, and he is trying to figure out how to do his messaging on january six, and stop the steal stuff, about how you positions themself
vis-à-vis trump. there are a lot of people and washington that mike pence already started the game of thrones maneuvering. >> he has. for all intents and purposes, he has. >> when one of the players in one of these games theory situation starts to go, you cannot sit in the sidelines any longer. i think the political gamesmanship, trying to figure out what all this means for trump and running against trump, particularly when trump says he will be running before the midterms, the whole game started earlier, about how to position the gop race. >> part of petitionning too, you see some democratic campaigners thinking about this and trying to support those that they think is very aligned with donald trump as an extremist, and hoping that it will be an easier lift and the general election. that is quite a gamble and not a good one, i can see from your face. >> i have been totally opposed to that from the beginning. one, i just don't think it is right for democrats to play in the republican primary anymore than i think it's right for the
republicans to play in the democratic primary. the -- folks that are truly democrats, we should let the other party rise or fall on their own, and it is a of a risk to put some folks -- now, there are some states -- seats that are relatively safe that you are just elevating the name, you don't want to spend as much money. the fact that they would get involved and even take the chance that this whole committee has been spending so much time and effort to try to show this, it's just wrong. >> it's not just the partisan point in meddling and other parties primary. the bigger point is that there is a moral, legal and constitutional point that has been made about the conduct on january six that democrats are not looking the other way about in bolstering some of these folks. you may have as the governor of pennsylvania, literally a guy, should i say, insurectionist?
needless to say, you might end up being governor of pennsylvania, that is happening across the country. some of them will win. >> unlike in maryland, when governor hogen announced the nominee in maryland, you're not seen that in pennsylvania, maybe a little bit, but you are not seeing it right now. i think, personally, they rally around the guy. >> look, the thing that drives me crazy is the moral compenent, that we heard a lot of democrats today praising liz cheney for her heroism and standing up to the gop. we heard a lot about the ten republicans impeaching donald trump. and now nancy pelosi and the various pacts are spending money trying to destroy those guys, because they will be harder to beat. they're doing it to keep meyer and michigan -- if -- i don't want to hear people saying how lamentable and sad it is that there are no honorable, principled people in the gop, who also are totally fine with trying to destroy these guys on the off chance that they will have a slightly better chance of beating some
maga person that they consider a fascist. if you call him a fascist, you probably shouldn't be channeling millions of dollars from support the campaign. >> are you suggesting consistency in washington, d. c.? is this news to you? consistency in washington d. c., noise boxy? [laughs] [laughs] >> january six, it's one thing to play hardball and politics. afterwards, it is a threat to democracy. we will help them get nominated, makes me think that someone will win -- >> somewhere across america -- donald trump -- >> what is the worst that can happen? >> we don't want to answer that question. we have seen in part in the past what could happen. we talk more about this in a moment. elliott williams, thank you so much. doug and william, stick around, as well. sorry, your suit is tailored. get off the screen. remember when president biden said inflation was temporary, well, temporary is a lot longer than it used to be. that was more than a year ago when he said that.
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the best, bad option to combat rising prices enacted today, make some things more expensive. the fed has now hiked interest rates a massive three quarters of a percentage point, twice in a row. even the fed chair warns that they don't know for sure what lies ahead. >> inflation has obviously surprised the upside in the past year, and further
surprises could be in store. >> surprises are not what anyone wants, especially as we've seen scenes like this, cars lined up at food banks. people relying on the kindness of strangers just to feed their families. chairman jerome powell amidst the fed can do very little about food and gas prices. let's turn to the white house. i am joined now by a senior adviser to the president, jane sperling. jane, i am glad that you are here today. we are seeing images of the lines up food banks, we are seeing the prices, we are seeing the turmoil, the burden people are feeling, and the question people have is, how much longer? they are asked to be patient, how much longer must to be? >> we totally understand that even though we had record job creation and that unemployment is at a historically low 3. 6% and many people have received wages, it is painful for americans to deal with the
higher prices at the gas pump, the higher prices at the food line, even though this is clearly a global phenomenon caused by the aftershocks of an unprecedented pandemic and an unprecedented, well, unthinkable armed aggression in ukraine, that has risen gas prices everywhere. but, we have seen some progress recently. we have seen gas prices come down 72 cents. in 15 states, it is now unde r $4 -- that 50,000 gas stations are under $4. we know that a significant cause of that was actions that this president took to release the strategic petroleum reserve oil, 1 million a day and get our allies to contribute to that. he has made e15 gas more
eligible for the summer. we will do everything that we can. there is no silver bullet, but i think there is a lot of progress that we can make, particularly if we get help from congress -- >> excuse me, jeanne, it is not just help from congress. consumers, they drove down the demand for gas, as well. that also helped to support what you're talking about. how much of it can be contributed to the administration being proactive, as opposed to consumers simply reducing the demand for gas? >> the treasury department put out an analysis found that 40 cents other adoption was due to the president action on strategic petroleum reserve. as you know, the president also suggested that we can lower gas prices by another 50 cents if we did a holiday on federal and state gas taxes. again, you also see the president taken action across the board. today, the president welcomed an agreement by senator schumer
and manchin that would lower prescription drug costs and kept those costs, lower energy costs, lower health care premiums. the action was taken before is going to allow internet costs be lower for up to 50 million families. you know, we obviously want to do everything we can to bring down those gas prices, but we are also going to do everything we can to help the americans with their pocketbook issues. again, there is a lot the president can do and has done, administratively, but there is no question that we can do more when we get support from congress and things like having prescription drug costs that you saw in agreement on today, that can just make a huge difference. because you know, that is one of the major press issues, particularly for older americans year in and year out. >> it certainly is. i certainly want to share your optimism, as the most americans on that notion. but we have seen in the prologue, hanging ones hat on
the prospect of progress may be a statement by senator joe manchin, when he's been a turn on the side of the administration for as long as president biden has been president. are you skeptical about a deal that is made impossible but not actually codified? did the american people have ultimate faith that will be a litmus test and measure of progress? >> look, all i can say is that the president strongly welcomes this agreement by senator schumer and senator manchin. you have seen wide agreement, even with people who have disagreed are criticized as before, that this would reduce inflation, reduce the deficit, reduced your costs, reduce health premiums for 30 million americans. this is in addition to things like the trips act, which just passed the senate and now goes to the house, in which i know you have rocha honda coming in afterwards. he's played a major role in this. as we are dealing with these
immediate problems, i think america wants us to take care of these long term supply issues and not put us in a vulnerable position in the future and make us less dependent, whether it is semiconductor or energy. we want to make sure that we have a bit more independence in ensuring that we have to supply chains and overall supply to keep costs down, not just in reaction to this crisis, but in the long term, as well. >> i don't envy the position you are in. the idea of having long term solutions, short term solutions and trying to satisfy an increasingly impatient public, is a very difficult task. thank you for being here tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you for having us. >> still ahead, a big breakthrough for senate democrats. you heard jeanne reference it a moment ago, joe manchin is on board with energy and health care bill, but does it have a chance?
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with senator joe manchin on an economic bill that will be ready for a vote as early as next week. among other things, he says it would provide $369 billion for energy and climate programs, with the goal of reducing carbon emissions by 40% by 2030, allow medicare to negotiate drug prices, cap out of pocket prescription cost for drugs and set a 15% corporate minimum tax. schumer says it will be, quote, the greatest pro-climate legislation that has ever been passed by congress. but will it actually pass? let's ask a member of the -- house congressman ro khanna joins me along with former senator doug jones and jonah goldberg. i'm so glad you are here, thank you for staying gentlemen. and welcome to the program congressman khanna. wondering what you know about the steal? should there be enthusiasm behind it? this is over 300 billion dollars of common investment. the estimates are that there --
>> this is over 300 billion dollars of climate investment. the estimates are it would have 40% reduction of co2 emissions. it's going to lower prescription drug prices. it's gonna have a tax filing on corporations not being dax. i haven't seen all the details. but it is significant progress. is it what i would've wanted? no, i would have written more. but it is much, much better than anything that is come before. and i give senator schumer and senator manchin credit. >> why the about face? it's a good direction, for your purposes. but why do you think his mind was changed? what was the cause? >> i have been on the outs with some saying, let's keep negotiating with senator manchin. the reason i have said that is that he has said from the beginning is that he would be for investments in solar, wind and battery. he has been for that since day one. and i said, let's engage in negotiate. and i'm glad that we continue to negotiate and looks like we will have a deal. look, politics, there are 435 members of congress, 100 senators. not everyone can get exactly what they want. it's the art of figuring out
what moves a ball forward. this is a very good chance of making an enormous impact. >> you are nodding your head, you have been one of the 100. >> yeah, i think that this is a monumental moment. and i know everybody is a little skeptical because we i've seen deals and principle and all of a sudden they fell through. the reason this is different because this is been more clearly, this has been something that has been kept under wraps, because the same day that it came out, they least 725-page text to it. it is down. it is in writing and this is not just in principle. this is a big deal. and it is a big deal for the administration, who have been pushing these things. it's a big deal for the senate. which has had some wins this week. with the chip bill and other things. this gives, i think, the administration, it gives democrats, and quite frankly gives the country a little momentum and a little uplift. >> but how about republicans? that's obviously gonna be at the table as, well i mean, what do you feel about the idea of,
is this kool-aid type of compromise that could actually pass? not just be? written >> on the chip side, i give senator todd young the republican, credit. it's a big bill. it's about inventing things, here making things, here buying things here. you know taiwan is going to build 19 -- conductor fabs, china is going to build 35. and now because of this bill we are going to have 12 factories here, places like ohio. -- this is bringing production back and there are republicans involved like todd, john mccallum, your help to make that possible. >> what do you make of it, jonah? >> i agree, the chips bill, obviously, i want to think they are different but i think it's a good piece of legislation and i'm glad it's going to pass. on this, i think it's interesting, i saw some with that manchin is dealing with the inflation reduction bill. right? and first of all, i'm very curious to know it christensen has to say. and i want to know if mitch mcconnell is going to have joe manchin's favorite horses head put in his bed. that manchin is gonna wake up next to tomorrow morning, because i very much doubt that any republicans are gonna get
vote for the sting. >> i love a godfather reference, by the way. you can do no wrong. oh my god, i was going to say, i almost gave you credit and took all of it away in that moment. >> it's a hard thing to come up with it without -- >> but anyway. i think that this remains to be seen, i think this is very good. this occurs in many ways that joe manchin, not joe biden, is in the sweet spot of american politics. and is the decision-maker in a lot of the politics and where the voters are then joe biden is. >> and all of the president gets credit for whatever presses. and here is a thing. >> he also gets blamed for whatever doesn't. >> here is why i think this is so significant. because voters are going to trust joe manchin to say that this is gonna lower inflation. he has been complaining about inflation, inflation, inflation, and now he is saying this is gonna lowered lower the deficit. this is gonna increase taxes on corporations. which is anti inflationary. this is gonna lower prescription drug prices. these are actual investments in clean energy that are gonna make us more energy dependence. independent. i think this is a huge win for
the country. >> as a conservative, i'm more skeptical about all of that. but that's fine. my point is simply that you are right that more people are going to believe joe manchin then are going to believe joe biden because joe biden standing right now, it's really, really, poor and weekend joe manchin is really where a majority of americans are. >> where's kristen sinema? >> i don't think sinema -- let's see, if you have the president and you have senator schumer and you have the speaker and you have progressives, i think this is going to pass. and i think president biden -- putting the polls aside -- which i grant, the polls aren't great. if you look at these, go -- look at the american rescue plan, the infrastructure bill, the chips bill, to make stuff here, energy independence and the biggest climate bill, the bill to reduce medicare prices that is looking like a pretty good record and you know you run for office, to become president, to do stuff. and he's getting stuff done. >> jonah's right. this is where america's. but joe had to move that way. he wasn't there. he had to move.
which joe, manchin or? biden >> joe manchin had to do. that >> manchin has been, there and manchin -- this out. manchin had to move a bit more to the center. he had to move, some white house knew that it was going to be a reduced a good but. the progressive caucus knew that this was going to be released a bit. and the question i think now is, not sinema, i think sinema will back this. i think the question i got is whether or not bernie sanders will. because bernie has come out and criticize this to somewhat. at the end of the day, i think this reconciliation bill -- so you only need 50 democratic senators plus the vice president -- so i think it passes. >> is senator sanders on board? do you know? >> i haven't talked to senators, senator sanders is pragmatist who takes progress. and i think he's gonna look at, this he's gonna evaluate it, but if he sees that this is a good for the climate, and it's gonna reduce emissions, i think he's gonna be favorably inclined. >> and the best that he can get.
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