you're live in the cnn "newsroom," i'm jim acosta in washington. and we begin with footage out of

kentucky showing some of the damage left behind by historic floods that killed at least 25 people. you can see floodwaters slammed this school bus into a building, just devastated there, wrecked cars and downed trees are everywhere. tomorrow eastern kentucky is expecting several more rounds of rain that could make this flooding worse. electricity is out in many places. state officials say 21 drinking water systems have been damaged by rushing waters. there have been more than 600 water rescues. among the dead are four young kids from one family, the youngest just two years old. the governor of that state said it's vast destruction in that area he's worried they'll find victims for weeks to come. >> this is still an emergency situation, we are in search and rescue mode. again, that count is going to

continue to go up. we don't lose this many people in flooding. this is a real tough one. >> cnn's evan joins me now. just incredible footage of the devastation where you're at right now. tell us what it's like on the ground. what you're seeing. >> reporter: jim, where i'm standing in jackson is the staging area for some of that search and rescue that you're talking about, crews going out to try to find people who may be trapped still, may be looking for help and unfortunately may have passed in the flooding. the footage you showed is new and that's from receding floodwaters. i want to show you what this stuff has looked like. where i am, there's a lot of different state and local officials out looking and volunteers, and two volunteers from out of state gary hanner and leonard gunner, took my producer out on a boat.

you can see some of the devastation he saw in jackson. that's what happened when the water rose up. what you can't see in this footage is the smell. chris told me that he could smell diesel fuel all in this water. it's horrible, horrible, damaging, dangerous water. this is what they're dealing with here in kentucky. and people who have been through this, are worried they may not come back from it. >> i don't know if anybody can move back into these homes for a long time, if ever. >> i've lost everything. animals are without, people are without. homes are destroyed. we just need help. we need as much help, please, i'm begging anyone who sees this. help my town. help my people. >> help is the important word. that's what we're trying to do here in jackson and all over the rest of the area devastated by the flooding.

it's an active scene. they're trying to help people and find them and do what needs to be done. jim? >> evan mcmorris, thank you very much. we'll keep an eye on that we know you will as well for more information on how you can help please go to cnn.com/impact. just in in the last several minutes, president biden has tested positive for covid again after last testing negative yesterday. an antigen test came back positive. his doctor said he's experiencing a rebound from paxlovid. the president tweeted, tood i tested positive for covid again. this happens with a small minority of folks. i've got no symptoms but i'm going to isolate for the safety of everyone around me. i'm still at work and will be back on the road soon.

doctor, great to see you again. what do you make of this? should we be, you know, tremendously concerned about this? the white house said that the president is not experiencing any symptoms. you do hear about these rebounds, these paxlovid rebounds from time to time. what are your thoughts on this? probably more common than we currently understand. in the clinical trials for paxlovid, which were done before the omicron variants or certainly the later subvariants it happened 1 to 2% of the time. anecdotally we're hearing about many more cases. and kwquite a while a rebound after paxlovid happened to me, to dr. anthony fauci. it wasn't surprising this happened. in fact a couple days ago i warned don't be disappointed if it happens to the perceresident.

the percentage number i hear for rebound is 20%. i don't know how valid that is. but it's higher than the original clinical trials. i think it may be partly due to the new subvariants. there's a lot more virus replication so there's more virus to concur by taking the antiviral drug. there's a new study that the university of san diego is looking at, it's not due to drug resistance, the virus is still sensitive to paxlovid when rebound occurs. i think it's a matter of exposure to the medicine, there's not enough medicine getting inside the cells over a five day course to totally wipe out all of the virus. so the question is, should we extend it to 7 to 10 days. someone is looking at this, they have nih funding to look at

this. we'll learn more. i think the question right now, i think the president will continue to do well. there's a question if there's another course of paxlovid. so there's a lot of discussions in the insuing days. >> doctor you can test positive after you take paxlovid. does that also mean you're symptomatic and can spread the virus to other people or are you just experiencing the symptoms yourself if you're in this boat? >> it could be both. in my case, what happened was, i -- after i finished my first course of paxlovid, i felt fine and then four or five days later, i woke up with congestion and headache. i said, hey, what is this? and did another antigen it was screaming positive at me, it wasn't subtle. so assa a result i went back on paxlovid. doesn't look like the president

has much in the way of symptoms. looks like they were testing even without symptoms. but the fact of paxlovid rebounding is not terribly surprising. his physicians will have to make a decision whether to go on a second course of the drug or not. >> doctor, we hope you're right. hope the president feels better. always great to see you. thanks for your time. to a cnn exclusive. new questions about the missing secret service texts. multiple sources telling cnn that the homeland securityay of 2021. that's more than a year before he alerted the january 6tht him go to the capitol on january 6th. it's not just the secret service that has a problem with missing messages. "the washington post" reporting trump's acting homeland security

chief and his top deputy are also missing messages. those messages were sent in the days leading up to january 6th. wolf said he complied with all data retention laws, quote, full stop. any lost data could be important since the committee received testimony that trump wanted homeland security to seize voting machines. joining me to talk about this is former cia director james clapper. good the see you. thanks as always. the fact that the inspector general, a trump appointee, would wait a year to notify the committee, does that speak of incompetence or something more nefarious. you would think he would be more transparent about all of this. >> jim, that's the very thing that typically departmental inspectors general are most

aware of, sensitive to, and responsive to. so this is -- you know, it's kind of a double whammy here. a, that the texts -- these critical texts are missing. and then, b, that the inspector general of the department was aware of them and didn't -- aware of these missing texts and didn't say anything about it. or do anything about it. to me, this is incredible. i don't know what to ascribe it to. whether this is, as you suggest, either incompetence or something more nefarious, i don't know. but it clearly needs to be looked into by somebody outside the secret service and outside the department of homeland security. >> and this comes as we're also learning there are also missing texts from trump's top homeland security officials chad wolf and ken cucinelli.

i want to play more testimony from the former acting attorney general, richard donahue about what trump was asking of cuccinelli. just because time has past doesn't mean it's not alarming. >> my cell rang, it was the president, and he had information about a truck supposedly full of shredded ballots in georgia that was in the custody of an i.c.e. agent whose name he had. i told him i.c.e. was part of homeland security. it was up to them. he said fine, can you make sure that ken catcknows about this. i said, fine. >> director clapper as someone who has written about the importance of safeguarding elections as a matter of national security and somebody who was in the government for

many years, i guess one of my questions is, how disturbing is it to you that these kinds of documents, these kinds of texts and so on would not be retained and recoverable. but more importantly how alarming would it be if we never got to the bottom of this? if this loss of data ends up getting in the way to the fact of the matter here? >> well, jim, it's -- as somebody who spent a lot of time in the government, this is highly irregular, i'll put it that way. and there are all kinds of laws and rules about retention for archival purposes, you know, of these kind of records, of course, it's just kind of amazing coincidence that these missing records occurred on the 5th and 6th of january, whether it's the secret service and the

failure of the department of homeland security inspector general to alert to that. and now, apparently missing texts between chad wolf and ken cucinelli, what an amazing coincidence and again this whole thing needs to be looked into. i do think that -- this is my impression. that the committee has an abundance of information already. and i -- i think this would be critical corroboration, probably, of other information they already have. but i think it's very disturbing that we've suddenly become aware of these critical exchanges between the two top acting officials in the department of homeland security at the time and missing texts from the secret service.

it's just -- it's really disturbing. >> as you said, an amazing coincidence if that's the case. as you know, i want to turn to another subject that's come up in the past week. because as you no know, the families of 9/11 victims are very upset with former president trump for hosting the saudi-based or saudi-backed liv golf tournament and the comment he made defending it. let me play it for you and get your reaction on the other side. >> nobody has gotten to the bottom of 9/11, and they should have, as to who did that horrible thing to our city, the country, the world. >> it's simple. the saudis did it. they plotted it, funded it and now they're trying to distract those sins with a golf tournament 50 miles away from ground zero. >> director clapper, i think it's extraordinary that trump,

who had all the access to all the intelligence when he was in office that he would make a comment like that about september 11th. how strange is it he would make that remark when we know there was a 9/11 commission, we all know what happened on 9/11? >> it's more than strange. in the runup to the 2016 election, candidate trump, on more than one occasion, inferred within suggested, the complicity of the saudis in the 9/11 attack. and i guess this is a case of money talks. and then when he said no one's gotten to the bottom of it. he had four years in office to get to the bottom of it. as i understand it, at one point had agreed with the families to release some additional documents, we had done a release

during the obama administration and there were a few more documents which he had committed to release. and then didn't. now president biden corrected that. as i understand it, since then for the sake of the -- for peace of mind for the families. but for him to run a golf tournament within 50 miles of the attack and the insensitivity to the families, you know, where this is all sponsored by the saudis, and then to have this i'll just say inconsistent or duplicitous statements he's made now sort of rationalizing the saudi involvement and his representation of the saudis, which is essentially what he's doing, that's pretty appalling. >> yeah. no question about it. almost sounds like he's trafficking in 9/11 conspiracy theories the way he made that remark.

james clapper, the former director of national intelligence. as always, thank you very much for your time. we appreciate it. coming up a cnn exclusive of what russia wants in a prisoner swap to bring brittney griner home. why the u.s. is calling this a bad faith move. you're live in the cnn "newsroom." ith chase. leon's saving upup for his firt set of wheels... nice try. really? this leon's paying for his paint job on t the spot... and this leon, as a chase private client, he's in the south of france, taking out cash with no atm fees. that's because this family of leons has chase. actually, it's león. ooh la la! one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours. ♪ [beeping] do you want some more?! wait 'til you see me on the downhl... [laugh see you at home. enjoy advanced safety

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spy agency released from custody in germany. here's what the biden administration told my colleague, jim sciutto about that. >> holding two american citizens hostage in exchange for an a assassin in a third party country is not a serious counteroffer. it's a bad faith attempt to avoid a serious offer and proposal the united states put forward. we urge russia to take that offer seriously. >> cnn's frederik pleitgen is now with me, coming in live from moscow. fred, tell us more about this second person russia is seeking and has the u.s. reached out to germany. is this being taken seriously at all? what's the latest? >> the u.s. didn't believe the counteroffer was necessarily serious. he's someone inside a german jail for a murder that took place in 2019 for which he was

convicted in 2021. the germans say the murder was organized and ordered by the russian state. by the russian security services. the russians continue to deny that is the case. now, the u.s. believe that this offer was never really a serious counteroffer when it was made a couple weeks ago simply because vadim is a german prisoner not a u.s. prisoner, so why would he be part of the prisoner swab. but we know the u.s. did reach out to the germans on a low level and quietly to inquire about what was up. the germans said they never took that seriously and no action was taken. we know, jim, the u.s. with that show, it was very serious and is serious about getting paul whelan and brittney griner out of russia and back to the united states. that's because brittney griner's

trial is moving into an extremely important phase of the trial. we know that brittney griner right now is somewhat nervous but focused on preparing. i was able to speak to her legal team how she's doing, preparing in these important days. here's what she had to say. wnba star brittney griner focussed on the final and decisive phase of drug charges in russia. her daughter said the athlete is keeping the faith. >> she's stressed and quite nervous. and she knows that the end of the trial is approaching. but she really appreciates all the support she's getting. >> reporter: griner's legal team is building their strategy on efforts to get leniency from the court for showing remorse for trying to enter the country with vaping cartridges containing cannabis oil. >> i do understand what my charges are against me.

and with them being accidentally in my bags, i take responsibility. but i did not intend to smuggle or plan to smuggle anything into russia. >> reporter: the legal team believes so far their approach has worked as well as possible in a russian court. >> the court is -- the court listens, the court accepts almost accepted already almost all our evidence. so i think that like procedurally is going how we planned. >> reporter: but conviction rates in russia are well over 0 90% and grabrittney griner facep to 10 years if found guilty. the u.s. is trying to organize a prisoner swap for brittney griner and paul whelan.

secretary of state blinken saying he raised the issue with the russian foreign minister in their first phone call since russia invaded ukraine. >> i pressed the kremlin to accept the substantial proposal we put forth on the release of paul whelan and brittney griner. but the russians made clear they don't want to speak publically about prisoner swaps. >> this topic was discussed over a year ago between putin and biden. there they agreed to authorize competent people to deal with these issues. the foreign ministry is not one of them. >> reporter: brittney griner's legal team said they're not made aware of any negotiations and are only focused on the tough legal battle ahead. >> she loves everybody, she misses her family, of course, her wife. and again she appreciates a lot the huge support she's getting from wnba, from the sports

community in the usa, world wide, so she's really, really grateful and it means a lot to her. >> reporter: and jim, brittney griner's lawyers, her defense team, said it was important for brittney griner to know that that statement was out there, that brittney griner's fans and those supporting her understand how grateful she is for that support and she right now is trying to remain strong in these important days that are ahead for her and her possible freedom that obviously she's fighting for. as far as her legal team is concerned. they are very focused on the trial, getting the best outcome. they say if a prisoner swap happens they wouldn't be against it they want brittney griner to come home as fast as possible. >> certainly a lot of people in the united states who feel the same way. frederik pleitgen thank you for that report. coming up, incredible video on social media of what some

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veracity of those images. we know it reentered over the indian ocean a short time ago. this is not the first time china has been accused of improperly handling space debris. joining me now is jonathan. you've been following the movements of this debris. what's your sense of where it landed, you know, do you think there were any areas on dry land where people are that were in danger at any moment in all of this? what's your take on all of this? >> well, we do know now that the rocket reentered in malaysia, the eastern end of the indian ocean. so it came in kind of over the capital headed east and probably the debris hit the surface a few

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prices, extend obamacare prices for three years. how much will this help from maybe a recession from taking place? your thoughts? >> it will help undoubtedly. it's a huge victory for the democrats if it can get through the senate. we don't know that for a fact. joe manchin is not the only senator holding up the works but if it gets through the -- even the tax increases on the wealthy and big corporations will help. you have all -- you know, 15% minimum tax on corporations, that means that you are going to have a slight downward effect on demand and inflation is a product of too much demand and too little supply. so that's -- you know, even the tax part of it is going to help. >> you previously made a pitch to democrats that maybe it's time to kick joe manchin out of

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