tv Smerconish CNN August 6, 2022 6:00am-7:00am PDT
get back to the office. i'm michael smerconish. the two most important stories of the week had nothing to do with the january 6th committee, or nancy pelosi's trip to taiwan. they had to do with friendship and provide a road map to unite us and make us more prosperous. i read a story about how the workplaces have splintered. some nearly as full as they were before covid-19. other offices sit abandoned. the big city offices are slower to fill than the small cities. san francisco's office occupancy is at 39% of its prepandemic level. new york city, 41%. austin, 57%. at the huntington center in ohio, they have at 85% of
prepandemic occupants on-site at some point during the week. online job postings also reflect differences in remote work between large and small cities. in san francisco, 26% of postings permit remote work. in birmingham, alabama, that number is just 10.4%. there's debate of what drives the difference. is it work habits? commutes? in a moment, i'm going to ask scott calloway what he thinks. a second story caught my eye the same day. it had to do with friendship and economic mobility and so much more. raj chedy and colleagues released a study, the social met works of 2.2 million users between 25 and 54. the searchers didn't have names or identities, but they were able to use zip codes to
estimate income, college, and other characteristics. the conclusion that drove the headlines was theis. for the poor, the best ticket out of poverty is having wealthy friends. it's called economic connectedness. the more connections between the rich and the poor, the better the neighborhood was, at lifting children out of poverty. the new date to provided validation to the long-standing work of robert putnam, who in 2000, published a book called bowling alone, the collapse and revival of american community, which dealt with declining social capital. on my program this week, he told me this -- >> what is keeping kids from moving up, is the increasing requirety, with which poor kids or poor cadults talk to rich adults. our society is becoming segr
segregated, by social class. we don't go to school with people who come from a different background as we do. and even if we do go to school with them, we don't hang out with them. >> putnam says we've been headed our separate ways for a while. but the internet has accelerated the trends. bill bishop dealt with that consequence in his book, "the big sore." he said that 50 years ago, we disengaged as a society. fewer elks clubs, fewer bowling leagues, fewer newspaper subscriptions. when we did reengage, we did so among the like-minded. and i would add to social scientists, charles murray, who analyzed what happened when there's little intersection between the rich and the poor, in "coming apart." he cited belmont in massachusetts, the kensington section of philadelphia, and said we live among those who are like us, which further
perpetuates our coming apart. the better off continue as easily extend opportunity to the less fortunate when they don't cross paths. put it all together and what does it mean? it means that good things happen when we intermingle and have common experiences, the sort my father told me benefited him from his korean war experience. day one, people from different backgrounds all across the country suddenly reduced to the same haircut, uniform, cot, food. where you came from, that didn't matter. people lived and worked together. they had to build bridges. today, that, too, is lacking. every branch of the u.s. military now struggling to meet its fiscal year 2022 recruiting goals. fewer americans are choosing to serve their country in this fashion. and no doubt, when we're living in our bubbles, it perpetuates the political divide, further by gerrymandering and self-sorting. if there's so much data,
pointing to societal data when we get out of our bubbles, where can we find more of that sense of communion. where are we inclined to be with someone dissimilar. here's what came from my conversation with professor pu putnam. houses of worship, volunteerism, service that need not be military, youth sports. i would add to that list, the workplace. like the military in many cases, it's an environment where dissimilar people are united for common purpose. the car park, the cafeteria, diverse clients, meetings, those in the suite having to deal with those in the warehouse. the workplace is another opportunity for fostering friendships of the type that lift the poor out of poverty and bridge our political divide. but not when practiced over a zoom call. the new data found that bringing people together is not enough on its own. relationships need to be forged. and they won't be, if we're only
connected by ether net. about my next guest, "the new york times" asked is scott galloway the howard stern of the business world? my answer is yes. sc scott galloway is a professor at stern school of business, author of multiple books, including "adrift: america in 100 charts" which is out september 20. professor, you heard the comm commentary. why do you think this disparity exists between the larger cities to return to work and the smaller cities? >> hi, michael. some of the factors you mentioned. the bigger cities lean blue and have a different approach to the pandemic. they also have longer commute times. people are more scared about contr contracting covid on the subway or the long island railroad. in big cities, the tension
between capital and labor, it advantages labor. a young worker in an urban area has more options, and can demand that he or she work from home. and you have a deal on capital, if the firm has lesser demand for office space, it is more for shareholders because office space is more expensive in urban areas. you have political leanings and labor that has options and chooses the stay at home and has the ability to stay at home. why are people working remotely? because they can. and you have firms that have decided that it's not a bad deal. i have a venture backed tech company when i sent everyone home or gave our office back to the landlord in 2020, we cut $1
million out of our budget. it's the perfect storm of things that's created a bifurcation in the approach to work from home across different regions. >> what do you think the impact is on the real estate itself? katherine, put up the peggy noonan quote. referencing the abandoned office building spoke of them being a metaphor for decline. how do you see it, scott? >> peter drucker was right. the great interest said in the '60s, large office buildings would be the pyramids. we would marvel at them but they wouldn't serve any functional purpose. and you capture what is going to be a huge economic shift. most people would -- or most economists would estimate commercial real estate is somewhere between $4 trillion and $12 trillion, if you include retail or medical office space. and if most firms go the way of apple and ask their employees come back three days a week -- apple is having a tough time enforcing that -- you're talking about a net destruction of
demand of 40% of an asset class, a multitrillion asset class. or put another way, the dispersion or the transfer of the gdp of japan or germany from commercial real estate from offices to residential real estate. and we've seen it happen. we've seen home prices skyrocket. we see rents up 20% to 28% across the major metros. but we see malls and office space decline dramatically. we're seeing one of the biggest shifts in asset classes of the last 30, 40 years. that's from commercial real estate to residential. >> will you take our final 30 seconds and respond to the arguments i made about social capital? you've spoken about relationships and how people working remotely impact relationships. >> it's pretty simple. if you are young and single, get into the office. there's a function of relationships. there's two or three people
qualified for every job. and the decider who gets to decide, who gets the promotion, will pick the person who they have the best relationship with. relationships are a function of proximity. before you collect dogs and spouses, get into the office, establish mentors and friends and also establish partnerships. one-third of relationships appear at work. we've taken away a platform for establishing relationships. don't give up on it. get into the office when you can, when you're young. >> don't cut scott's feed. let him respond to this comment. it comes from youtube, i think. put it up and i'll read it aloud. i hate the work-from-home for my 29-year-old. he needs the social interaction. needs to learn how to read the room. scott? you think what? >> putting on a shirt, blow drying your hair, learning how to behave around others, we need guardrails. when we don't have guardrails, we come off the tracks. we literally go crazy.
young people need to be around other people. anyone who has little boys or girls know the key to their emotional well-being is they socialize with other people. that's the same for young adults. >> appreciate you, as always. thank you so much. my two heroes, by the way, you and howard stern in the same "new york times" headline. who would have thought it. >> go on, michael. up ahead, part of the reason donald trump is looking like a kingmaker this primary season, democrats have helped promote the more extreme republican candidates thinking they will be easier to boat in the general election this fall. but what if they aren't? and if unemployment is at a 50-year low, why are beaches so short on lifeguards? why is mcdonald's holding drive-in hiring events? well, young people are shunning entry-level jobs. but in doing so, i think they're missing out on a lot of important life skills. plus, i try to go toe-to-toe with rock star roger waters, whose new tour, this is not a
drill is peppered with political imagery. why does a preshow announcement that tell those that don't want to hear his politics to go to the bar? that leads to this woke's poll question. go and vote on this. do you support entertainers when you disagree with their politics? >> if you don't know that, you're not reading enough. go and read about it. >> okay. did we solve anything? >> yeah, we did. no, we didn't. you're believing your propaganda. your side's propaganda. >> you're defining it as propaganda. lightweight. fragrance-free. 4848 hour hydration. for that healthy skin glow. neutrogena®. for people with skin. nicocorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start sma. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette
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fire? peter myer, one of the few republicans in the house, to impeaeach former president trum over january 6th, narrowly lost his primary. myer was the first person congressman to vote for the impeachment of a president of his own party. republicans and some of the left placed the blame for the one-term congressman's loss on democrats. the party's campaign arm, the demo demo democratic congressional campaign committee elevated gibbs with big ad buys like this. john gibbs is too conservative for west michigan. gibbs called trump the greatest president. the gibbs/trump agenda is too conservative for west michigan. >> the democrats spent more on gibbs' campaign than he spent in the entire race. myers accusing the democrats of helping his opponent and
subsidizing his campaign. and the ads' messages, raised gibbs' appeal, among the c conservative voters and gave him name recognition he could not af afford. and the left has spent tens of millions entertaining multiple gop primaries across the country. in my home state of pennsylvania, josh shapiro ran an ad that appeared to elevate the maga candidate. >> he was accused of passing barricades and police lines. >> now, he says he could overturn future election results and let politicians hand-pick the winners, ignoring the vote of the people. >> as governor, i can descertif any and all machines in the state. >> he is way too risky for pennsylvania. >> what is the left's goal in
theory to boost trump-endorsed candidates so democrats don't have to face moderate republicans in the fall? it's a controversial tactic, that "the new york times" called repugnant and risky but not new. in 2012, claire mccaskill was a vulnerable democrat in a state turning red. her party saw todd aiken as the weakest and easiest to defeat. mccaskill's strategy worked. akin won the primary and she won over him by 16 points. would it pay off for democrats this november? and if it doesn't, are they prepared for the consequences? with me to discuss is richard hasan, director of safeguarding democracy project. professor, nice to have you back. put that quote back up from "the new york times." they said this, is a disappointing low for the democratic party. president biden and party leaders should denounce this
strategy. wherein lies the risk? >> what is different here, we had parties interfering. we had republicans supporting green candidates and democrats supporting libertarians. what is here, is there's major parts of the republican party that are not supporting democracy. what you need for a working democracy, people that support both parties. if democrats knock off the republicans that are for democracy, they are playing with fire. >> here's your comment. i will put it on the screen. from the same "new york times" editorial, the cook political report changed meijer's district to lean republican to leaning
democrat. it might work. >> it might not work in pennsylvania when you see the polling in the governor's race. what you see in the governor's race, is main-streaming republicans what were shunning mastriano, are behind him. meijer supporters are behind gibbs. not only might the anti-democratic candidates one, but imagine if you had the january 6th committee, and there was no liz cheney and no adam kinzinger. they are being forced out of the party. it takes republican voters to vote for them. this is not a democratic problem. but democrats are making things worse when they target the few pro-democracy voices in the republican party. that's why this is different than the normal politics of trying to pick a weaker opponent. >> might this cause an extreme iftd ist candidate on the left or the
right, to rein in their behavior so they're not catching flak from both sides. and perhaps that person gets elected and we don't know what we have on our hands with them. >> the more like ly scenario, someone who is deciding, do i speak up against what donald trump has done with the republican party, they know they're not going to only take incoming from their own party, they're going to take it from the democrats who are going to try to pick them off. it creates more incentives. there are not that many republicans that are willing to speak up against authority ism. things are stronger when you have democrats and republicans standing up for the rule of law. >> you make a good point. i spoke to congressm man meijer
yesterday. and he said, i know i'm not the only one that felt as i felt. i was one of the few that was willing to say it and vote that way. other republicans are look at him and don't want to go the way of liz cheney. we're going to find out soon. thank you, professor. i appreciate seeing you here. >> great to be with you. more social media reaction. find me on twitter, youtube, facebook, et cetera, et cetera. what do we got? it's a risky, borderline, stupid strategy that's given way too much credit and blame. i don't know. i know the pennsylvania situation best. mastriano won. and trump put his thumb on that scale. and the shapiro ad. when that ran, it was the thing that if in the end, josh shapiro was elected governor, it will be that was brilliant.
remember when he was elevated? if republicans coalesce around mastriano and he pulls it out, i think people will look back and say, remember that commercial that shapiro ran? that was stupid. if america's job numbers are so robust, why are several mcdonald's holding a recruitment seeking 14,000 new workers? kids don't want entry level jobs anymore. and that's a mistake that could impact their futures. plus -- >> on roger waters concert tour, fans get more than music. they hear about his grievances.
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whatever happened to kids working summer jobs? the justice bureau shows of the 528,000 jobs added in july, unemployment down to the lowest in 50 years. what's the problem? on my radio program and in my personal orbit, i'm hearing stories from small business owners who are trying to fill entry level kinds of summer jobs and they can't. they will hire someone who will show up the first day but not necessarily in the second week. many pools and beaches are having trouble finding lifeguards.
in chicago a restauranteur lured away busboys from a competitor by guaranteeing them $1,000 a week. mcdonald's is holding a drive up event tuesday, to find 14,000 new recruits. according to the american hotel and lodging association, 97% of its respondents are experiencing staff shortages and half of all hotels are severely understaffed. i think it's become a generational problem. in the '8# 70s i had lots of experiences. mcdonald's, a maintenance man. the mountain lake pool and patio company, i was a truck driver. delivered flowers and washed dishes and more. i would think i learned many life lessons doing those jobs, they served me well. i wrote a column about this phenomenon, the value of a summer job. these days, many kids are spending their summers enhancing resumes with internships and
other save the world stuff to look good on a college application. is it a jen that is bypassing entry-level jobs struggling to hold down something more permanent? my next guest expressed a similar thought, the best ex extracurricular may be an after-school job. having a job instills time management and independence and personal responsibility, attributes that many college administrators say some students lack today. joining me now is pamela paul, opinion columnist for "the times." she was the editor of "the times" book review. and is the author of eight books including "100 things we've lost to the internet." you wrote this. personally, i learned more working outside schools, starting with three afternoons a week, when i was 14 and ending with three jobs juggled seven days a week. my senior year of high school, than in the classroom. give me an example of something you learned.
>> well, for one thing, when you're working outside the school, you're not just around people your age and people in your own situation. you're working with people from a wide range of backgrounds. people older than you, people living paycheck-to-paycheck. you learn a lot more about how the real world works and how the economy works when you're outside of school than you are when you're within it. >> here's a critique. a self-described professor said. what curriculars teach, sports, making an effort, dealing with de defeat, music, learning hard, playing in the band or orchestra on a team, and crafts, art, writing poetry, building rockets, anything of the things that take effort, produce results and enhance one's life. the key line, not flipping
burgers. can you speak in defense of flipping burgers or i have to? >> i never flipped burgers. i did scoop ice cream. i did work as a cashier. i worked as a hostess and a wai waitress. and i think there's a lot of value to doing that kind of work, including, for example, basic respect for all of the other people who end up doing that work for you. when you work in a service industry, you learn that the customer is always right. you're always outward facing. you often have to suppress your own needs and desires because you are representing a company. and i actually think those are all vols. values. it's really important to have respect and understanding of the hard work that flipping burgers involves. >> to the extent this is a problem and i believe it is, you
and i are kindred spirits on this issue. and i think there's an easy solution. a claire oncall from college admissions offices, that says, we respect the kind of jobs that pamela paul had at your station in life. isn't that part of what's driving this? >> i think there's a misunderstanding. i think that more colleges, more college administrators value this than we assume they do. i think that certainly, for kids who have to work, they understand that these kids are incredibly responsible. they are contributing to their families. and it's a sign of good character that you would choose to be responsible for your own support rather than relying on a parents' allowance, even if you can afford not to work. i think that colleges do respect that. i think that maybe it's us parents who are often assume wrongly that that's not valued by universities.
>> i hope you're right. you're living proof. all those jobs that you held in college to the detriment of the extracurriculars and it worked out well for you. brown, not too shabby. >> well, i had no talent with musical instrument or sports. i was lucky not to have competition at my time. >> thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> thank you very having me. checking on the social media reaction. twitter, youtube, facebook, what do we got? david, when i was in high school, i couldn't follow my dreams because i had to work. maybe now my generation is raising kids and making sure they have the chances we couldn't have. here i am so prideful, as many are in what i did when i was in my teens. and yet, do i walk the walk and talk the talk with my own kids? not always. somehow, it's like we've lost the lessons that we gleaned from
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and video screens in the shape of a cross. why waters tour differs from classic rockers. stones or members of the beatles, it's more a trip down memory lane than a current show. the activism is a key to the whole thing. as a long-time fan of waters music, i wanted to ask about his mix of performing and preaching. things got a bit animated. so, here's the quote, as i understand it to begin the show. >> if you are one of those, i love pink floyd but can't stand waters politics, you might do well to [ bleep ] to the bar right your. >> you might do well to go to the bar right now. the outset of the show?
because? >> it's a really good way to start the show. it sets a few things straight. >> namely? >> well, it encourages people that come to the show. they have listened to everything i've written since 1965 or whenever i started writing. they do know what my politics are. they do understand what my heart is. they understand why i'm there. maybe it gives a message to people that don't want to be there. them efing off to the bar is probably not a bad idea. except that you never know. those people, if they sit in a community like my audience is, on these shows of this is not a drill, there is such a great feeling of communication in that room between me and the audience and between us combined, with
all of our brothers and sisters, all over the rest of the world. if this is not a drill or a message, it's that we have to communicate with one or another. >> to the guy that says, shut the ef up, play the hits, as long as he doesn't shout it out, do you want him in the arena? >> i don't not want him there. so long as he doesn't annoy the people that do understand what's going on in the arena. >> do i have to buy in? does a person in the crowd have to buy in to the message? i have always loved the music. some of the messages i can buy into and some i can't. >> i only got one message. two strangers passing in the street and if the glances meet, if i am you and what i see is me, that's my message. and that was in 1970.
and my message hasn't changed. i recognize your humanity and i recognize the russians and the chinese and the ukraine ians an the palestinians. >> are you an equal offender on this tour? i remember the last tour. i came and watched. very much about trump. in the current show, a montage of war criminals to you, and a picture of president biden that says, just getting started. what's that all about? >> joe biden is fueling the fire in the ukraine for a start. that's a huge crime. why won't the united states of america encourage zelenskyy to negotiate, making the need for this horrific, horrendous war. >> you're blaming -- >> we don't know --
>> you're blaming the party that got invaded. you got it reversed. >> any war, when it start? you can look at the history. you can say it started in 2008. okay? it's -- this war is this war is about the action and reaction of nato pushing right up to the russian border, which they promised they wouldn't do when gorbachev negotiated the withdrawal of the ussr from the whole of eastern europe. >> when you say this, then i have to say what about our role as liberators? you of all people -- >> you have no role as liberators. >> world war ii. >> you got into world war ii because of pearl harbor. you were completely isolationist until that sad, that devastating, awful day. >> i would argue we were always going to get in and that pushed us in, but thank god the united states got if, right? you lost your father in world
war ii. thank god the united states -- >> thank god the russians had already won the bloody war almost by then. don't forget 23 million russians died protecting you and me from the nazi menace. >> you would think the russians would have learned their lesson from war and wouldn't have invaded ukraine, fair? >> you with all your -- i would suggest to you, michael, that you go away and read a bit more and then try to figure out what the united states would do if the chinese were putting nuclear-armed missiles into mexico and canada. >> the chinese are too busy encircling taiwan as we speak, okay. >> they're not encircling taiwan. taiwan is part of china! that's been absolutely accepted by the whole of the international community since 1948. and if you don't know that, you're not reading enough. go and read about it. >> okay. did we solve anything here today? >> no. well, yeah, we did.
i mean, no, we didn't because you're believing your propaganda, your side's propaganda. >> you're defining it as propaganda. >> taiwan, you can't have a conversation about human rights and you can't have a conversation about taiwan without actually doing the reading. >> roger, if you are having a conversation about human rights, at the top of the list of offenders are the chinese. why is it always the western world -- >> at the top of your -- the chinese didn't invade iraq and kill a million people in 2003. in fact, as far as i can recall, hang on a minute, who have the chinese invaded and murdered, slaughtered? >> their own. >> bullocks, that's absolute nonsense. complete nonsense. you should go away and read, but read some proper -- >> hey, my problem is i spend too much reading your liner notes. thank you for doing this. >> thank you for talking to me. >> i appreciate. >> it is always a pleasure. >> is it? okay. oh, my god.
you're such a troublemaker. >> please don't call me that. >> what? >> my god. still to come, more of your best and worst tweets and facebook comments, and we will give you the final result of the poll question. by the way, now that you have watched the roger waters' exchange, it crystallizes this week's poll question. do you support entertainers even when you disagree with their politics? go vote. they release medicicine fast for fast pain relief. and now get relief without a pill with tylenol dissolve packs. relief without the water.
by the way, when you go to the website register for the daily newsletter. he will enjoy it. the question: do you support entertainers even when you disagree with their politics? i'm thinking about my summer concert season. i have seen dead and company, john anderson with the paw green rock academy. going to see them again, and roger waters. the politics, if i had to analyze dead and company, john anderson and roger waters and decide if i'm going to buy the tickets, i can't imagine what show i would end up going to. you know how i'm voting. give me the result. let's see. do you support -- whoa! are you kidding me? do you support entertainers even when you -- two-thirds of you saying nope, that's it. like if you just heard what roger had to say to me about ukraine, about russia, about the legacy of the united states and world war ii, that is it, i'm not going to go hear him do "sheep" or "another brick in the
wall part iv." i'm surprised. here is some of the social media reaction that came in this week. what do we have? don't know about the using their platform part of it. one reason, not the only one, for example, i lost interest in the oscars. interesting. because it was just too activism. you know, it is funny -- but here is a great example. i wouldn't stay away from a movie because of an actor or actress, but if the presentation at the oscars is over-the-top i can understand why that would cause ratings to tank. but when you are watching the film or when you are listening to him play the bass and sing those songs, you are not thinking about the politics. some more social media reaction. what do we have? i tell you what happened to summer jobs. colleges, the requirements to get a scholarship. no one wants student loans. my children are busy with sports and music requirements to get scholarships so that they can attend college. yeah, the escalating price, i'm sure, but you would think -- it is kind of contradictory because you would think if money is the factor, then all the more kids
would be out there getting a summer job. i think that the word needs to go out from the schools that says, minimum wage employment as you are applying to school is just fine with us, we respect it. one more, catherine, if i have time for it. what do we got? social interaction is necessary for society to grow. i feel truly the rich getting richer an poor getting poorer is happening. true loss of the middle class. well, one solution to that is you rise those who are poor out by having them foster relationships, extend a hand and establish real relationships. one more real quick. go ahead. let's see it. go ahead. you really need to save the last ten minutes of your show to answer comments. john, i keep saying that. i will see you next week. ♪edicin e fast for fast pain relief. and now get relief without a pill with tylenol disissolve packs. relief without the water. the thing that's different about a vrbo vacation home. you always have the whole place to yourself.
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