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stunning discovery. an fbi search at president trump's home leads the fbi to highly classified material. >> upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. >> were national security secrets at risk and did president trump break the law? the top republican on the house intelligence committee, congressman mike turner, ahead. and across the finish line. democrats pass their climate and tax bill on a party line vote.
>> this is historic and it is cause for celebration. >> as it heads to president biden's desk, will americans struggling with inflation feel any relief? i'll speak to cabinet secretary jennifer granholm next. plus, making the case. the spotlight again on former president trump, as his party looks ahead to the midterms and democrats make inroads on their agenda. how will voters respond? arkansas republican governor asa hutchinson is coming up. hello, i'm brianna keilar in new york where the state of our union is wondering just how secure the storage rooms at mar-a-lago really are. house leaders are requesting a briefing and a damage assessment from top intelligence leadership this weekend after unsealed court papers revealed the fbi found highly classified documents in an unprecedented search of former
president trump's florida resort on monday. the fbi recovered 11 sets of classified documents including some of the most highly classified government information. and the warrant revealed the search was executed under three federal statutes. potential violations of the espionage act, obstruction of justice and the criminal handling of government records. the revelations follow months of efforts by the government to recover classified information from mar-a-lago. new this weekend, two sources tell cnn that in june, a lawyer for the former president signed a letter asserting there was no more classified information stored there and that was clearly not the case. for his part, the former president has said he did nothing wrong and lashed out at attorney general merrick garland and the fbi over the search. attacks echoed by many of his supporters. just yesterday in phoenix, armed protesters demonstrated outside an fbi field office and the fbi is warning about new violent threats against its own law enforcement officers and
government facilities. joining us now is the republican congressman, mike turner of ohio. he is the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. sir, thanks for being with us this morning. >> brianna, thank you for having me. >> now that you have seen the level of classification we're talking about in these documents at mar-a-lago and you've learned the doj is investigating possible espionage act violations, are you concerned donald trump was keeping these highly classified documents at his resort? >> well, we have a number of concerns, brianna. one is whether or not the raid itself was justified. we have this list from the fbi, but we don't have conclusive as to whether or not this is actually classified material and whether or not it rises to the level of the highest classified material. on a bipartisan basis congress is saying, show us the goods. we want to know, one, what did the department of justice and the fbi tell the judge that they were going to find and what did they find? there's nothing in those boxes that members of the intelligence
community and the committee itself don't have the ability to see. if it rises to the level of an immediate national security threat, which is what it would take to actually raid the president's home. because, as you know, they had a number of options available to them, including just going to court and asking for the court to enforce the subpoena that they had. now, clearly, no one is above the law. donald trump is not above the law and attorney general garland is not above the law either. congress has the powers of oversight. he needs to comply. we've seen material like this before. we've seen materials that have been submitted to courts for warrants. this is not unprecedented. his actions are unprecedented in history and he has a lot of questions to answer. >> you are familiar with special access programs and the level of classification that is. why are you casting doubt on how classified this information was if you see the property receipt and it's very clear this was sci
information, some of it? >> but what that receipt shows is this material was marked as such. it doesn't mean that it currently is. i can give you an example -- zawahiri. we were given briefing materials for the hunt for zawahiri, all finding zawahiri, how they found zawahiri. today you know that information. it's been broadcast on your own news channel. but yet if you go down into the skiff of the intelligence committee, we'll still have materials marked classified tsi. similarly the anti-russian satellite weapons, we have classified materials marked as classified but you yourself have broadcast those. these are materials that are two years old. we don't know what they are. we don't know if they rise to the level of being a national security threat. but the fact you have here the attorney general, who is going after the -- president biden's political rival, whose own personal career was derailed on the way to the supreme court by
donald trump himself. and unequal application of the law between hillary clinton and donald trump, and the fact you have the fbi previously submitting in warrants materials that were bogus, that were politically motivated that targeted donald trump. there's a high level of skepticism. we don't have to speculate. we have the clearance. we have the oversight ability. attorney general garland needs to provide these materials. you have bipartisan calls to do that. put the materials in a room. let us see them and we can tell you what our answer is what our discernment is of whether or not this is a true national security threat or whether or not this is an abuse of discretion by attorney general garland. >> do you take home documents marked special access? >> no. >> and yet you're casting doubt -- >> quite frankly -- >> on whether or not -- i'm sorry. go on. >> i've been in the oval office with the president. i'd be surprised if he has actual documents that rise to an immediate national security threat.
>> well, the documents, just to be clear, several sets, and you're aware of that because you've seen the property receipt. you're casting doubt, you want to have information on which to base that conclusion at this point, but you yourself would not take home documents marked special access. you would not take home this sensitive compartmented information? >> remember what i'm casting doubt on. it's not -- these are labeled that. we don't know whether or not these are classified and rise to the level. the second thing we don't know is are they a national security threat? attorney general garland could have gone to court to enforce the subpoena -- >> do you know they're not? sir, do you know they're not? >> demanding donald trump deliver the materials to the court. instead, he spent nine hours in his home. that rises to the highest level. we give them authority to be intrusive and invasive -- >> but do you -- they had concern -- -- >> -- other options available to him. nine hours in trump's residence.
they're going to have to justify that. >> they had concern this could be a national security threat. when you cast doubt on that, do you have evidence that this was not a national security threat? or that this was known to not be a national security threat? >> we're to the point -- i'm sorry. you're breaking up a bit for me. we don't have to speculate. we have all the clearance. congress has all the powers of oversight. all attorney garland has to do is comply with the laws, provide this information to us. let us look. show us the goods. bipartisan basis people are calling for the attorney general garland, show us the goods. we need to determine, is this a national security threat. as we all determine that, was there abuse of discretion by attorney general garland. >> you're awaiting that information you would like to get from doj. you mentioned hillary clinton. i would like to read a couple things you said about hillary clinton's emails in 2016. you said, quote, in may of that year, hillary clinton would be an awful president as she has shown a blatant disregard for our laws. you said former secretary of
state clinton has shown a disregard for classified information. in october you said, i believe her actions as secretary of state were not in accordance with the law. some of your comments were said before it was even clear what was in her emails. you're not holding donald trump to the same standard. why? >> well, there are -- there's a significant difference here. one, there was active transmission of ongoing diplomatic classified communications that were traveling through hillary clinton's server in her residence which are innately and inherently going to be a risk. these are two-year-old documents in the president's residence. we don't know what's in them. they're not ongoing -- certainly now, which they waited two years -- >> do you have evidence -- do you have evidence -- sir, do you have evidence they are not ongoing? >> -- on going communications you had in hillary clinton's home. this is why -- this is why garland has got to answer these questions. it's unequal application of the law. they did not -- >> sir, how do you know that they're not --
>> they spent nine hours in his home. >> sir, i just want to be clear. how do you know they're not ongoing? you haven't been briefed on what you want to be briefed on. how do you know that? why are you saying that -- if you don't know it. >> according to the receipt -- according -- we do know and even you know. you and i can agree the inventor itself lists papers taken from his home in boxes. papers are static. they're not ongoing data communications and transmissions of data, which is what was going through hillary clinton's server. they did not raid her home. they raided his home -- >> you're talking about the information -- but what you are talking about is the information itself and whether it is still classified or whether it is still a national security risk. >> no. i was not talking about that. i was talking about the manner of transmission and the timeliness, what it represents as classified information. now, as you know, also what you didn't report, donald trump says
he declassified these materials. no one questions the president -- former president would have had as president the authority to declassify that material. it is possible that you, yourself, can see all this material. and i know cnn will be demanding, i'm sure, as you demanded that the warrant and the affidavit be released to you, i'm certain if it's declassified, which is a fact-based issue that's going to have to be resolved, you yourself will want to see these documents. how do they rise to the level? you have to agree, when the fbi chooses the most intrusive, the most invasive process of invading a man's home when they have available other options -- >> i want to be clear, these are classified documents -- >> -- the fact that they choose the most invasive, has to be of concern to you, also. >> there are a number of steps they took before. we have a graphic to show people of the timeline of the other steps they took leading up to it. i just want to be clear. they didn't jump from nothing to going to this search and seizure. just to be clear, are you saying where they were kept was secure?
>> no. i have no idea. these are questions attorney garland is going to have to answer. the question is not did they jump -- were they doing other things. the question is, what did they do in between? they had other options. certainly, you have to understand that going into his house, especially the former president, president biden's political rival, into his house for nine hours is the most intrusive and invasive and attorney garland has to justify that. congress has the authority of the power of oversight. he needs to tell us what is the justification. show us the documents. what is the clearance? show us the goods. >> the former president's social media network put out a push alert promoting a story from a conservative outlet that identified the fbi agents involved in this search. and this comes after an armed man tried to enter an fbi office in cincinnati with an ar-15 assault rifle. he was killed in the process of that. how is that not encouraging
violence against federal law enforcement officers in this climate to identify them? >> well, obviously, i don't know who you're referring to on social media, but resoundly, congress has condemned any violence -- and members of congress have condemned and i did and all of the republican members of my committee -- >> should trump? >> -- jointly, in a joint press conference condemned any violence against any law enforcement officers. >> should the former president? >> we greatly appreciate the service of all of our fbi agents, men and women who are serving their nation. >> should the president, former president? >> i think always, everyone should make it very clear that this is not an issue where violence is ever an answer. i think you should make it very clear. this is not something that should rise to the level of violence. this is an issue of show us the goods, attorney garland. you have to follow the law just as donald trump has to follow the law. congress has oversight. and the full ability to see
these documents. justify that you went into this man's house for nine hours. >> it was the former president's social media network. you asked what it was. it was the former president's social media network. >> i said who. i said i don't know who said that. what i said is i don't know who -- >> who said what. >> and i certainly -- you know, you're saying that someone on social media said that. i'm telling you what i have said. >> i'm saying breitbart reported it. his social media network put it out. >> my entire republican committee membership openly at the beginning of our press conference demanding -- as has bipartisan demands been -- >> which is separate from what i'm asking. which is not what i'm asking, sir. >> we did so by first openly condemning all violence against any law enforcement and by specifically saying we honor those men and women who serve in the fbi. we question the leadership attorney general garland who has raided the home of his boss,
president biden's political rival, who himself has had donald trump's kroer derailed on the way to the supreme court, which they have a history of unequal application of the law, where the fbi has a history before of using bogus information that even "the new york times" has reported it's bogus. the russia dossier, to obtain a warrant targeting donald trump. there's a history that attorney general garland has to pass the bar for, justify this. we have the clearance for it. there's a history of us seeing this document -- these documents and information before. show us the goods. >> sir, we really appreciate you being with us. thank you so much. we appreciate it. congressman turner, thank you. >> thank you. appreciate it. of course, lots of news this week. how is this going to affect the midterms this fall? we're taking a closer look ahead. plus, gas now costing less than $4 a gallon for the first time since spring. are prices going to keep falling? we have the energy secretary next.
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm brianna keilar. president biden is set to sign another of his big agenda items, the tax and climate bill that the house passed on try day. and this comes as average gas prices have dropped to below $4 a gallon for the first time in months. all of which are hoping will help them in midterm races across the country. joining us is u.s. energy secretary jennifer granholm. secretary, thanks for being with us. >> you bet. thanks for having me on, brianna. >> i want to talk about this bill in a moment. i know as cabinet secretary you frequently work with sensitive government information. are you concerned about learning that top-secret sensitive compartmented information was found at mar-a-lago? >> well, sure. >> you are, but you don't want to say more. i understand the administration is keeping their distance here. >> yeah, of course. you know, the president when he
appointed merrick garland as attorney general said to him, you work for the people, you don't work for me. we are all reading the news reports, but let's have any questions that are outstanding answered by the department of justice. >> there is a question for you that would be specific to the department of energy, though, which is that "the washington post" reports that the fbi was, in part, looking for classified documents related to nuclear weapons. your department, of course, helps oversee the safety and integrity of u.s. nuclear weapons. are you confident that this poses no threat to the nation's nuclear weapon security? >> you know, brianna, we don't know what's underneath this so, again, i can't comment on this. i just ask that all questions go to the department of justice. >> okay. i understand that. so, i do want to turn to some other issues. you heard gas prices mentioned there, which i know the administration is very happy to see this dip.
the national average below $4 a gallon for the first time since march this week. is the worst behind us? >> well, you know, some of it, as you know, gas comes from oil and oil is traded on a global market and global events affect the price of oil, but the president has taken unprecedented steps to try to moderate supply and demand by releasing 1 million barrels per day from the strategic petroleum reserve. our energy information administration has put out their short-term energy outlook and they are projecting, at the moment, without knowing what's going to happen globally, that the price in the fourth quarter of this year per gallon will probably drop to about $3.78. so, we hope that that's true. again, it can be impacted by what's happening globally. the president has done more than any president in history to make sure that the price, insofar as
he's got control, continues to decline and has included asking for increased production, both domestically and overseas. >> the inflation reduction act headed to the president's desk after it passed the house along party lines friday, there are three independent studies, though, that show it's actually going to have a minimal affect on inflation. many parts of the bill, obviously, don't even take effect until next year. some years later than that. so, what specifically will this bill do to lower costs for americans right now? >> oh, i -- this -- first of all, immediately, people will be able to lower the fuel costs in their home. there's a 30% tax credit you can claim in 2022 for installing energy-efficient windows, heat pumps, energy efficient appliances. that is right away. and on top of that, of course, if citizens want to install solar panels on their roofs so
they can generate their own power, that's another 30% tax credit. and, of course, there's the tax credits that are at the dealership for the automotive sector, for electric vehicles. and if you install an electric vehicle charging station in your home, you can also get a tax credit. so, there's many ways that this bill lowers the costs for everyday citizens. that's one of the reasons why it's anti-inflationary to lower the cost. in addition to that, lowering the cost of prescription drugs for people and capping the amount of out-of-pocket expenses that senior citizens pay for their prescription drugs, et cetera. let me just say, brianna, this president has been focused on everyday people throughout his presidency. there have been four bills that have been significant passed as part of his overall economic plan to lower costs and create jobs.
and this bill is the biggest action on climate that any administration has passed in the history of the united states. times ten. >> but, on the inflation -- on the inflation part of this, i mean, you're kind of making my point. when we're talking about drugs, negotiating directly, having medicaid negotiate directly, 2026 to 2029 are when those provisions kick in. when you're talking about a tax credit on solar panels, electric vehicles, energy efficient appliances and windows, people spending money on those things aren't the ones who are living paycheck to to paycheck and inflation is hitting the most. >> well, actually, no, people who are able to qualify, for example, for weatherization. there was a massive increase, billions of dollars, for people
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm brianna keilar. in case there was ever any doubt, donald trump is going to be front and center in this fall's midterm elections. and this week we saw republicans circling the wagons around the former president in a way we haven't seen since the last election. here now to discuss is the republican governor of arkansas, asa hutchinson. sir, we thank you so much for spending part of your sunday with us. this fbi search warrant that we saw revealed that investigators took multiple boxes from mar-a-lago. multiple sets of top secret documents, including some classified at the highest security level. you, just to put into context here, you're a former u.s. attorney, a former dhs official, you served on the intelligence committee when you were in congress. are you alarmed that the former president possessed this highly classified material at his unsecured resort? >> sure, i'm concerned about it.
and i understand the need to retrieve those documents. there's a lot of facts, as congressman turner pointed out that we do not have yet. and the biggest question is, why? and how? why were those documents there? why did the white house believe that they wanted them there, presumably if that was the case? and so those facts have to be determined? and so the american public is operating without sufficient information? i think we all have to take a deep breath and say, we're going to have to wait to see the facts that come out. there is some urgency in it because this is unprecedented. the search of a former president's home. the american public wants to understand that. and right now you mentioned the circling of the wagons around donald trump. it's simply because they see the establishment as going after donald trump and they question whether that was the right move and whether it's less intrusive
means to accomplish the same purpose. we'll have to be a little patient. the attorney general did the right thing by getting information out this week. some information. i actually encouraged him to release the affidavit in redacted form, but that would provide and shed more information on why this search might have been necessary and explain the probable cause the judge saw whenever he signed the search warrant. >> republicans, you've heard them, they have been also attacking the fbi over this investigation. let's listen to some of this. >> the fbi raid of president trump is a complete abuse and overreach of its authority. >> do i know that the boxes of material they took from mar-a-lago, that they won't put things in those boxes to entrap him? >> i will make sure these tyrants pay the price. >> the way our federal government has gone, it's like what we thought about the gestapo and people like that. they just go after people.
>> more recently trump's social network actually amplified a conservative report with the personal information of the fbi agents involved in the search. are trump and some republicans putting the lives of the fbi's men and women at risk? >> well, the gop is going to be the party of supporting law enforcement. law enforcement includes the fbi. as united states attorney, i work with the fbi, the dea, the federal law enforcement agencies. those folks on the ground do extraordinarily heroic efforts to enforce our rule of law, which is fundamental to the republican party and to our democracy. the fbi is part of that. so, yes, we need to pull back on casting judgment on them. no doubt that they've -- higher ups in the fbi have made mistakes. they do it.
i've defended cases as well. and i've seen, you know, wrong actions. but we cannot say that whenever they went in and did that search that they were not doing their job as law enforcement officers. if you want to hold people accountable, it is the department of justice, it is the attorney general who said he supervised that. the fbi is simply carrying out their responsibilities under the law, lawful search warrant, that a magistrate signed off on. and they didn't go in there with fbi raid jackets. they tried to constrain their behavior, carrying out that warrant. so, let's be -- let's support law enforcement. let's stand with them, whether it's the dea, the fbi or your local law enforcement. that's critically important we do that because they're simply trying to do their job and to keep anarchy away from our country. >> i want to talk to you about abortion. arkansas has done something interesting. arkansas has an unenviable record on maternal care. but you've taken some steps.
to improve care like expanding medicaid coverage for pregnant women. if republican states are going to force women to have babies they wouldn't otherwise have had, do those republican-led states need to support them more? because many states are not doing this. >> well, the answer is, yes. and i hope that we're all looking at that because in arkansas, because we had a trigger law that we have reduced the number of abortions dramatically. last year we had 3,000. that means there's going to be 3,000 pregnancies in round numbers that might be unwanted or might be under difficult circumstances. so, we've got to provide the maternal care, the improved foster care. we've got to be able to provide increased adoption services. it's not because we've neglected
that in the past. it's because we do anticipate more live births, which is a good thing and something we support. so, here in arkansas, we have made progress in reducing teen pregnancy, but our infant mortality rate is not where it should be. that counts those infants that die in the first year after birth. so, we want to expand medicaid coverage, health care services for that mom with that young child in their home to increase the chances of survivability and better health outcomes, both for the mom and both for the child. >> i want to ask you about something in nebraska where an 18-year-old and her mother are facing multiple charges after allegedly conducting an illegal self-managed medicated abortion. police are obtaining private facebook messages which is raising concerns that law enforcement will use private information. complicated case, yes. but is that something that you would endorse in arkansas?
and do you think this is right? >> well, i'm not familiar with that specific case, but it's very important under arkansas law and that in all of the pro-life laws that we have that we say that it's illegal to perform an abortion and the penalties is after the provider. there's no punishment for the woman. that is not the target of what we have nor should -- >> the provider in this case would be -- it was self-managed. >> well, right. it's not -- >> it's a medication. so don't go after them, you're saying? >> yeah, don't go after the woman. that was not the target of that. if there's some provider or some internet provider that sent that medication in, that would be a violation of arkansas law, but there's no penalty, consequences for the woman. we have sympathy for her. we want to improve the health. we want to help them make the right decisions and to care for that child.
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oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word, confidential or classified. >> former president trump's standard for hillary clinton clearly one he does not hold himself to. our panel is here with me now to discuss. what a big week. and i know -- we know now the fbi found multiple boxes containing classified information at mar-a-lago, including some -- a set of documents that were classified at the highest level. congressman bowman to you, should congress investigate trump over this? >> absolutely. trump should be investigated for many things. we still have the january 6th hearings taking place. really looking forward to see what they continue to find in terms of his involvement with the insurrection. the fact that his home was seized. i mean, there was obviously a reason for it to be seized. he didn't comply. there was some information he may have lied. this is why they went in to seize the documents and they found classified documents that
shouldn't have been there. so, trump should be investigated from multiple angles. he's being investigated in new york as well. so, you know, america's going through a reckoning right now. part of that reckoning is going to be holding trump accountable going forward. >> politically, this could work for him. do you worry about that? >> i don't think so. i think the american people are tired of trump's antics and what he represents and who he is. i think, sure, you know, the trumpers and the maga supporters are going to galvanize behind him. i mean, we already saw some armed supporters outside the fbi offices in arizona. but, listen, he's dangerous. and the maga supporters are dangerous and many in the republican party are dangerous for not condemning him. it's important for him to be condemned and for us to move forward while holding him accountable. >> i agree. maybe democrats shouldn't have
supported some trump candidates in some of these elections because they are dangerous people who want to continue to overturn elections. i got an email this morning in my inbox from jim jordan, spam mail. the subject line was, they're coming for you. this is what republicans are -- and maga world is telling their voters. it's insane. if you believe that the fbi is coming to your house, it's probably because you committed a crime or you're delusional. but this is the conspiracy theory that the maga world is going to traffic in. it's convincing some people that this is going to make trump more powerful. i completely disagree. polling shows that most americans think what the fbi did was correct and that trump needs to be held accountable. >> i do think in the immediate aftermath of the raid, there was some polling done that showed him ticking up a few points among republicans because there is a reflexiveness with him, and i heard this from people even ready to move on from trump that, you know, we don't want to let them -- we want to take him out. we don't want to let them do it.
i do think temporarily that's helping him. i sort of felt this week like we're at the circus. we're all under the big top. this can only end one of two ways. he has to be indicted or merrick garland has to resign. you can't raid the president's house, the former president, and possible future candidate, say to the american people, we think he's violating three different laws, and then do nothing. so, this has -- to me -- >> was it justified? >> well, yes. if you think there are classified documents. i totally get, if you have top secret information, which we don't know what it is, by the way, if you have these documents and they're not supposed to be out in the open, absolutely. but this cannot end in any other way. how could it possibly end with just, well, okay, we got him back and it's over now. there's no going back now. >> you know, i -- this is unpopular for democrats to say. but we are giving trump way too much oxygen. and it really bothers me. it's not that i don't think he should be held accountable if he
breaks the law, but big surprise, trump's a hypocrite. he's saying something -- a different standard for himself than hillary clinton. the whole country knows he's a con man. they know he cheats on his taxes. they know he's lied multiple times. and that there was haphazard, you know, control over documents at the white house. so, none of this is new information. and so for us to over and over keep talking about this, in a week where democrats finally got on our front feet. that's how you know, by the way, for conspiracy theorists, that the white house had nothing to do with this raid. it totally stepped on joe biden's week. we have a lot of things going into this election that republicans -- there was not a single republican vote this week for lowering, you know, drug costs. you know, the republican supreme court has taken away rights that women have had for 50 years. we have a lot to talk about. i just want to stop talking about donald trump. >> you want to stop talking
about donald trump. >> he does not. he wants us to keep talking. >> because it's in his interest to have us keep talking about it. he was on the wane. fox news had stopped talking about him over the last couple of months, and now the party is around him again. >> you can start to feel like, well, maybe republicans were starting to feel like, okay, let's ease off from this. desantis was on the rise. there were state polls, a national poll showing him within single digits. then you did see a temporary snap back. i don't know if it's going to last. >> i hope we don't have a whole new set of hearings investigating donald trump. i hope we have a set of hearings about where we go with health care costs, what we do on the economy, what people are actually going through in their lives and to not do this again. >> three months until the election, so there's going to be a lot more news cycles.
>> i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> no, we can't. we've proven we can't. >> there's a way to hold donald trump accountable whether that's hearings or otherwise and still champion what we have been winning in congress over the past several weeks, the passing of the -- >> let the justice department do its job. >> the passing of the inflation reduction act, the passing of the c.h.i.p.s bill. there's a lot of things we can do to rebuild our economy, deal with inflation and respond to the needs of the american people. more work to do obviously, but there's so much to celebrate. >> let's talk about president biden because he's had quite a good stretch here, and it seems that democrats aren't sure they want him to run again in 2024. let's listen to what they're saying. >> should he run again? i think it's -- we'll take a look at it. >> do you want to see joe biden? >> i don't want to answer that question.
we have not -- i don't want to answer that question. >> too early to say. doesn't serve the purpose of the democratic party to deal with that until after the midterms. >> i don't believe he's running for re-election. >> congressman, do you want him to run again? >> well, i want us to keep winning as democrats right now in the house. we're talking a year or two away, i'm not thinking a year or two away. >> how about you walk and chew gum at the same time and tell us if you think he should run again or not. >> here's the most important thing we should focus on right now. we have to keep the house, which i think we have a chance to do. we have to win multiple seats in the senate, which i know we have a chance to do. and once we do that, we'll show our strength as a party which will make him stronger. and will help us as we enter 2024. >> there are numerous articles out this week about how he is aggressively planning his re-election campaign. >> good. >> so i think you should assume he's running. so i think what democrats want
to hear from you is are you ready to get behind the incumbent president of the united states for re-election right now? >> yes. if the president is running -- >> if? >> if he's running, i will support him. what's more important, in my opinion, is for us to continue to have victories in congress so the american people can see we're fighting for them. that's the most important thing. we've had those recently. >> democrats need to figure this out soon. because i think you either need to set expectations. >> it's 2022. why do we need to figure it out right now? >> because you don't have a bench because if you want them to consider somebody other than joe biden, you better tell us who it's going to be. >> we have to leave it there. it is a simple question. the answer is not so simple as you can see. thank you so much for being with us. coming up, tomorrow marks one year since the capital of afghanistan fell to the taliban. cnn takes a closer look at what's happening now.
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