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the news continues. time for casey hunt and "cnn tonight." >> john, thank you so much. i am kasie hunt. it's the biggest case to attack our capitol. will the u.s. government be able to prove that the far right militia growth, the oath keepers, is guilty of seditious
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conspiracy theory. opening statements were delivered for stewart rods in a courtroom today. they're accused of plotting to overthrow our government by force on january 6, 2021, among other crimes. all five have pleaded not guilty. three other members of the oath keepers have pleaded guilty to the sedition charge, as part of plea deals. two more sedition trials are scheduled to take place this year. but this is the first time in over a decade that federal prosecutors have argued that americans plotted to violently oppose the u.s. government. they're opening statement featured videos capturing the oath keepers' actions at the capitol that day, along with messages and other communications among the defendants. stewart rhodes himself never entered the building on january 6th, but he was videoed on the capitol grounds. the doj has a recording from
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rhodes from four days after the attack saying his only regret is that the oath keepers should have brought, rifles, end quote on january 6th. rhodes did say publicly that he had people armed on standby to help keep trump in power. >> we have men already stationed outside d.c. as a nuclear option in case the attempt to remove the president illegally, we will step in and stop it. we're inside d.c. we'll also be outside d.c. armed prepared to go in. >> the oath keepers leader is expected to take the stand himself at some point during this trial. his lawyer told jurors earlier that the story the government is trying to tell is, quote, completely wrong. so, what does rhodes' es stranged wife think? tasha adams married stewart rhodes 25 years ago, and she joins me now.
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>> what do you believe his objective was? >> i believe the objective was to overthrow the u.s. government and to start as much violence as he possibly could. >> do you have -- is there any doubt in your mind about that reality? can you take us inside based on what you know about how his mind works? >> every day, every minute, every second, every moment he wasn't personally terrorizing us as a family, he was preparing to terrorize the rest of the nation for the last ten years. he had always been difficult to live with. but for the last ten years, ever since he started oath keepers, really, it has been nothing but a plan to create mayhem, to create war, to kick it off, like he liked to say. he attempted that during -- and it didn't take off the way he wanted. this was much more to his
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liking. and this fit what he was looking for all along, i believe. >> so, what's it like to watch this man that you were married to for so long stand trial for this? >> it's -- it's a moment i never thought would come. just to see him face consequences. a lot of people now can see how tricky he is and how capable he is of walking finely the line. it took a year to get him arrested. and that's how he was in the house. every moment was about manipulation. every moment was about controlling the fear and faining emergencies. what an incredible and also scary moment to see this, to see him, i hope, finally facing consequences. i still have that shadow of doubt that maybe he was tricky
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enough. but i don't think so after seeing what i've seen today. >> you mentioned the fine legal line. he is a graduate of yale law school. what role did that knowledge of the law play, in your view, in his decision not to actually enter the capitol building on january 6th? >> yes. he was never going to go into that capitol. and yet he remained at a pretty interesting pivot point, able to say, i'm with you guys, i'm with you, keep going, let's go, let's go, and yet also able to deny that he went in. so, he was there to the anoint the team. he was there to pick his sides and make sure he won no matter what and stayed out of prison no matter what. that's very much how he does things. >> what do you think we will see from him if he does, in fact, take the stand in his own defense?
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>> and i'm 100% positive he will. he will fire his lawyers if he can if they try to stop him. he will take that stand. he has made a lifetime study out of manipulating crowds, tactics of -- even group hypnosis, as crazy as it sounds. but he's studied those things and he studied body language. and he grew up in a family of ministers and motivational salespeople. and this is his forte. and he really truly, truly believes that he can control people with his voice when he gets in front of them. i think he has not a clear picture of the audience he's speaking to. he has always been able to control the audience he speaks to. choosing people to tend to be gullible. the d.c. jury -- the jury pool is not gullible. they are not gullible.
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>> i guess we're about to find out. tasha adams, thanks very much for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. cases like this are very rare. and a big part of that lies in the fact that we've never seen something like january 6th. for the most recent guilty verdict in a seditious conspiracy case, you have to go all the way back to 1995, when islamic militants plotted to bomb new york city landmarks. the last time new york tried a seditious conspiracy case, in that case the government failed to prove the members went beyond just talking about a rebellion. my next guest was the defense attorney in that case, meaning he is one of the lawyers in this country to defense a case like this. thanks so much for being here. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> so, one of the defenses we saw in court today was similar
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to your case with stewart rhodes' story saying it was free speech and bravado. so, where is the line between speech and sedition? >> well, that's always been a question. it's always been a problem with the sedition act is that it's very vague and it's not well-defined. it's clear that merely talking is not good enough, that steps have to be taken to actively oppose the government. here, the prosecution has made a claim that they will be able to establish facts that show that these individuals were, in fact, trying to oppose the government. >> so, i want to just clarify for our audience. we're going to walk through one-by-one the various arguments that the rhodes team is likely to make to try and argue that they're client is not guilty of this. so, one of those critical pieces is the insurrection act.
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does their belief that they expected that trump would declare an insurrection offer any defense? >> well, the insurrection act authorizes the president to bring into activity, military, national guard, and militias. their belief that they're a militia may or may not play well with the jury. militias are fairly well-constructed and fairly established institutions. the idea that donald trump could reach into his pocket, wave a magic wand, and suddenly declare a group of people a militia, does not seem to be established
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anywhere in american tradition. >> okay. fair. so, let's move on to another part of their expected argument. they say that they had no park in the bulk -- that's a quote, no park in the bulk -- of the violence. does it matter that stewart rhodes' lawyer says that the evidence will show the oath keepers had no part in the bulk of the violence. does that hold up? >> i'm not sure if that was stewart rhodes' attorney or another attorney that said that, but in a conspiracy case, it doesn't matter. if the activities are foreseeable, part of the agreement, then you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound. >> okay. so, another defense attorney pointed to the so-called quick reaction force. that's what they had. we heard stewart rhodes talk about that a moment ago in the show -- that they had only stock piled weapons in case of emergency. does it help their case that
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they were prepared for january 6th to be worse? i struggle to wrap my head around that? >> well, you know, the prosecution's position is that this is all of a piece that was part of a plan, whether rigid or vague, to oppose the government. by taking the initiative and saying that it was merely a defensive posture, the defense may have overstepped and created an expectation in the jury that the defense would prove that this was a defensive position. you know, the prosecution has made much of, this is a long-planned proceeding. and the prosecution's going to be able to try to build their case brick by brick.
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but that building could be problematic for them. if they miss with any bricks, then the jury could say, well, they were positioned, but they didn't do anything. and therefore it's a defense. >> so, very quickly, yes or no. do you think that the government is likely to win this case? >> i don't -- i don't say yes or no. if they can prove their case. you know, the prosecution has made a lot of claims. and if they can establish their claims, then they've overcome the case. if they swing and miss on any, or a significant number of their claims, then the defense is gone in defense. >> thank you for bringing your expertise tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. and new audio has surfaced
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others. i was not watching television. i didn't have the sell vision on. >> you weren't? okay. >> i didn't usually have the television on. i would have it on if there was something. i later turned it on and i saw what was happening. >> so that claim is in direct conflict with what witnesses told the january 6th committee under oath. >> i think he was watching the tv. >> it's my understanding he was watching television. >> when he was in the dining room in these discussions, while the violence on the screen on the television. >> yes. >> so, there you have it. joining me now, cnn political analyst margaret -- former adviser to then-vice president pence olivia troye and scott jennings. scott, let me start with you. clearly the former president was lying to maggie, it seems to me.
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>> yeah. i mean, of course. what's noteworthy is he wouldn't talk to the january 6th committee because he would have to do it under oath. you can lie to a journalist when they're interviewing for their book. this was the worse day in his history and it will be the lead sentence in his obituary. and he knows it. he's trying to make excuses about it. >> olivia, you were working for the vice president at the time of this or you had been in his circle. let me play this for you. congresswoman elaine lauria explained the president's afternoon on january 6th during the committee hearing this past summer. and it was a stark description accompanied by visual aids. take a look. >> the dining room is connected to the oval office by a short hallway. witnesses told us that on january 6th, president trump sat
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in his usual spot at the head of the table facing a television hanging on the wall. we know from the employee that the tv was tuned to fox news all afternoon. here you can see fox news on the tv showing coverage of the joint session that was airing that day at 1:25 p.m. other witnesses confirm that president trump was in the dining room with the tv on for more than two and a half hours. >> so, again, these people testified to the committee under oath. does this seem accurate? who do you believe? the january 6th committee and their witnesses or the former president? >> i believe the people that i worked with in the trump administration who were witnesses to this firsthand, the people who were going in trying to get him to call off the ugly mob, the people who were doing everything in their power figure out how to get him to stop these people. as we saw, witnesses said during the committee hearings that he knew they were there for him.
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so, he wasn't worried about vice president pence's life at the time. he wasn't worried about the leadership of our country at the time. he was basking in the glory and taking it all in. so, i think it's fascinating to watch him sit there and lie to maggie. but depending on the day, that's who trump is and that's what he does. >> margaret -- i'm just a little -- i was at the capitol that day, so when i listen to him say this and think through what we know from other witnesses. it's -- i think maggie, when she was talking about this earlier today, called it startling, and not shocking. i guess i should call myself startled as opposed to shocked. she's also said trump is more calculating than people give him credit for. what's the calculation n your view, behind what seems to me like an obvious lie to her about what he was doing that day. >> it's so easily refutable and refuted so many times by so many people, not just before the
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committee, all of our reporting, all of your reporting. everybody was trying to get his attention. people were testing, saying, you have to stop him. call it off. of course he knew what was going on. to go out of his way to try to put that distance between himself and real time knowledge tells me that he understands his liability potentially for that day. and because we know from our coverage of him and we know just from living as americans here over the span of those four years that when donald trump wants to own something provocative, he just owns it. in fact, if he -- if he doesn't have total control over a moment but he wants to own it, he'll just take credit for it. >> he'll take it. >> he'll on to it. to go out of your way to put a gap there that doesn't exist and say, i didn't -- sometimes i watch tv, but i didn't know about that. and then he does a pivot where
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he says, and we didn't realize that the capitol police lost control, that they couldn't control things. it -- it -- you're watching him in realtime there. you're listening to him in real time saying, it wasn't me. it wasn't my fault. i think that's what he's doing in that interview. >> yeah, that makes sense. scott, while i have you here, i've got to ask you about something. and we're talking about donald trump. the president posted a message on truth social about someone you've worked very closely with for much of your career, mitch mcconnell. he wrote of mcconnell, he has a death wish, must seek advise from his china-loving wife. i'm not going to say what he called the wife. you can see it on the screen. suffice to say it was a racist label for elaine chao, who it was of chinese descent. what's your reaction? what are the implications to a post like this? why did he say this? >> i think why is an interesting
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question. i think he's insanely jealous of mitch mcconnell because mitch mcconnell gets up and goes to work every day because he doesn't. he has to live with the knowledge that mitch mcconnell is a better politician. so, i also think he lives with -- i think he gets very upset that mcconnell won't take the bait. he's been baiting mcconnell ever since mcconnell wouldn't go along with the january 6th stuff, wouldn't go along with the election lie stuff. he has his eyes on the ball and the ball is to get republican senate majority. i think it comes down to jealous. it looked like assassination instructions topped off with a healthy heaping of racism to me, and i think every republican ought to see it for what it is. it's bad for the party, bad for him, bad for the country, he ought to knock it off, and we ought to think about getting a new nominee in 2024. >> strong words from scott
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jennings. of course we do know that mitch mcconnell in many cases blames donald trump for losing two senate seats for republicans in georgia and control of the senate. olivia troye thank you so much for weighing in with the panel tonight. margaret and scott are going to stick around for the rest of the show. up next, five days after hurricane ian, the death toll keeps climbing and rescue efforts are still ongoing. what a son did to save his elderly mother trapped by raging flood waters in her florida home. >> we're looking at four feet of water, and i've been swiwimming forevever. oh, my g god. it's the grandma boat. >> we have that incredibly strong swimmer with us tonight, a hurricane survivor himself, also a hero coming up next.
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the death toll in the wake of hurricane ian has risen to at least 105 people tonight across florida and north carolina. five days since the monster storm hit, more than 1,600 people have been rescued across central and southwest florida in a state that's been reeling from so much devastation and loss. there still are, however, stories of hope and survival, like this man, johnny lotter of naples, florida, who swam nearly half a mile to save his
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85-year-old mother who uses a wheelchair. in a panicked call she told him water was rushing into her home and up to her chest. he documented the trek for his family. watch. >>er we're looking at four feet of water and i've been swimming forever. oh, my god. we're arriving to grandma's -- or i'm arriving to grandma's. i don't know what time it is. 3:41. >> wow. he got there just in time because this is how he found his mother. look at that. her expression says it all. wow. but the story is far from over. >> i have an update for the family. it's now 6:30. it's the aftermath of ian with my mom. i got her wrapped up on the table so she doesn't go into
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hypothermia. she only has one leg so it's going to be difficult to get out of here. she basically lost everything. i live closer to the water, so i know everything is gone as well. >> john lauder joins me now. johnny, wow. before we talk about how you got out, let's go back to the first video we showed, the half-mile swim. what was that journey like? what was going through your mind as you were trying to reach your mom? >> you can't let stuff go through your mind. i just wanted to get there. i knew time was of the essence. she was running out of time. and you've just got to stay focused and dig and dig and dig. and of course if you let your thoughts get into your mind, it will slow you down, you hesitate, you won't make it. so, i just tried to push it all to the side. >> yeah, i mean how lucky is your mother that you're a former police officer and rescue diver with the skills to do something like this. i mean, when you got there, we
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have this photo of your mom, as you arrive. the water is up to her chest. i mean, what was that moment like for her? >> it was a sigh of relief. as i was approaching the house, i couldn't get through the front door. the water was up to the windows, and i heard screaming inside. and she was actually on the phone with my youngest son, who was giving status updates to her. and it was a scare and a sigh of relief, scare thinking she might be hurt but sigh of relief she had air in her lungs. >> a savior arriving for her in you. when the water did finally start to recede a little bit, you helped pull your mother out, apparently had a little bit of
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help doing that. how did you manage to accomplish saving her? >> well, we only stayed behind because my mother's a little stubborn. she's very special. we'll put it that way. but she refused to go to a shelter. and my oldest son lives maybe four blocks from her. me and my two sons decided to stay here because we knew if things go bad, i would be close enough to get to her time-in time. my youngest son knew when the water was halfway down, to start making his way to grandmas. he made it there. we were able to put her out of the wreckage. but we had a long journey. the water was to our thighs but to her it was her chest. we had to push her back up the trek and try to get her to dry land. at the same time, i don't have footage of it, but there was another woman there. she was haitian and i understood
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she couldn't walk too well because of arthritis. and she had her belongings in a trash bag. my mom pushed my mom, i put that woman over my arms, and . we had to push mom back through the water to goat my son's house. >> how is your mom doing now? >> my mom has a condition on her skin where soars appear. she has blisters and open wounds, and it started after a shingles shot. doctors really can't figure it out. but we knew after the ordeal -- when i got there, first thought was to get her out of the water, prop table on top of table. i grabbed flotation devices i found along the way, and i got her out of the water because she was shaking very, very bad. i know from my training what the onset of hypothermia wasn't going to happen. i found the only thing dry in
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her whole house was a sheet set on the top shelf. and i grabbed the sheets, and the first thing she said was, not my good sheets. don't get those wet. wrapped her up and kept her warm. but i knew that she'd been in the water for too long. and we needed to bathe her. so, me and my son made the trek back to the house to get her special bench that goes in the bathtub so she can clean herself. and it was just kind of gut wrenching seeing the aftermath knowing she lost everything. when we got her home, we bathed. but we weren't aware there was a boil notice. so, we called ems. they came and got my mom, took her to naples community hospital. and as we expected and suspected, she did is have some infections, bacterial infections. but they're treating her for it. she's warm. she's safe. that's all that matters. >> she is incredibly lucky to
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have you. and our hearts go out to both your mother and you as well. your family has set up a gofundme account to help with the recovery. you can see the site here on the screen. you know, if you'd like to help. johnny lauder, thank you so much for your time tonight, sir. we really appreciate it. >> thank you for sharing my story. >> of course. meanwhile, we saw florida governor ron desantis and president biden puput aside popolitical differences once before during a tragedy in florida. can they take the high road again? that's next. um, because now i can bundle in space. watch this. i still don't get it. save up to 25% when you bundle home and auto with allstate. click or call for a quote today.
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on wednesday, president biden is expected to visit florida to see the devastation that hurricane ian brought to the state firsthand. and while a meeting with republican governor ron desantis is still up in the air, one thing's for sure. both leaders have cooperated on response efforts in recent days, seeming to set aside their political differences for the people of florida. margaret talbot and scott jennings are back with us, and paul begala joins us as well. paul, let me start with you here, because it has been very interesting to watch how desantis handles this moment, as someone who is seen as a likely challenger to donald trump and who has engaged in pugnacious
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tactics. his critics call him a troll. he really has, by and large, seemed to set that aside in this moment. how do you see his performance, as governor of florida in this tragedy? >> it's good policy and good politics, right? he's got to take care of his people. he's got over 100 lives lost. he's got to coordinate with the president. the president's got to coordinate with the governor. this is their job. if you look at their paycheck, they're each signed by the american people and the people of florida, not the democrats and the republicans. the problems will arise when the water recedes, by which i mean, questions already being raised about evacuation orders. already we're hearing reports that property tax -- property insurance rates are going to skyrocket in florida. questions about why is he fighting culture wars, and why is he flying venezuelans out of san antonio, instead of evacuating people out of lee
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county. >> in fairness, this was much before that. >> he spent millions of dollars in taxpayer money to do that for some culture war thing. i think in time, this will help him and may help him through the re-election. he seems to be comfortably ahead. in times this is going to daunt him. he's going to have to answer hard questions. >> what's your take? >> politically if you look at hurricane sandy -- >> that's exactly what i was thinking about. >> that's where you want to go? >> right. >> i think chris christie's handling in that was both a lesson in how to do it and how not to do it depending where you are in the political structure and. i don't think . >> you're looking at chris christie with his arm around barack obama. let's take this back to when this was. it's the final days of the 2012 presidential campaign. mitt romney is republican nominee, chris christie thinking
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about his own presidential am bigs, worries about this. does this with the president, huge backlash from republicans. >> i was a much younger reporter. i was like. >> i was going. >> but ron desantis at the time was a brand-new elected member of congress or about to be elected member of congress. and in the months that followed, he said, no and voted no to giving that federal aid package. he voted no twice. does that make him a hypocrite for what's happening now? it makes him the governor for what's happening now. and of course he's doing the right thing in taking the federal money now. it just goes to show that that messaging about conserves going into debt is only messages you get to do when it's not your state. >> in the sandy thing, we should point out that the disaster relief had not really been a sort of partisan wedge until the
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sandy moment, when it really turned into one. and that's continued. >> the problem is when these things get tacked onto other spending that people don't want to do. what you'll hear republicans say is we'd love to vote for disaster relief. >> we'll just take the covid billions and kbuse some of it f what we're talking about here. our friends at politico did a great breakdown. >> i saw them today describe it as the president's wallet, as though this isn't paid for by the american taxpayer. >> let me say something nice about desantis and joe biden. i think they're both doing a great job. joe biden looks like he's doing a great job. his fema director looks like he's on top of it. desantis looks like he's on top of it. they're talking. we can have our political battles. when we have a major problem, it's what voters want to know. can these guys pull it together in a big problem. in this case, they are.
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it will help them both to continue that. in the aftermath, fema has to follow through. we've had this in kentucky where they've had to follow through. sometimes they're slow and somebody has to call and rattle the cage, and i'm sure desantis will have to do that. i think what americans want to see is these guys talking, working together, and they are. good on both of them. >> do we see a hug? >> we're not going to see a hug. it's asymmetrical hatred to tell you the truth. if donald trump were the president and there were a democratic governor in the state, the democratic governor would show up and shake his hand and pay no price for it. the maga extremists just -- i don't know why. but they're just consumed with grievance and anger and hatred. so, desantis does sort of have to walk that. but already val demings camp for senate has said desantis needs to call a special session on property insurance. this is going to be a
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catastrophe after the catastrophe. it's going to be a katz fee for all floridians. he's going to have to get out ahead of these insurance premiums. >> it's going to be a real ding in the argument. there's so many people moving to florida. but some of this property is going to become entirely unaffordable. paul and scott, stay with us, please. coming up, a new era begins and the highesest court in the land. but americans' trustst has plummeted to a new low. what the chief justice is saying about questions over the supreme court's legitimacy when "cnn tonight" returns.
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ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingrix today. the supreme court justices return to the bench today to begin with what elected to be another historic term on the docket. major cases on affirmative acts, and voting, free speech, and discrimination against a couples. the new term comes as public opinion in the court continues to decline. following the reversal of roe v. wade. just 40% of americans have proved of how the supreme court is handling its job. but trust in the court has fallen significantly. down 20 percentage points in just two years. paula scott are back with me and also joining us cnn's senior supreme court analysts, jones. thank you all. joan, thank you so much for being here with us. i want to start with the new york times editorial wars. which kind of captured a lot of
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the criticism that democrats, in particular, have been leveling at the court lately. they write over the past several years of court has been transformed into a traditional arm of the republican party. and the courts legitimacy has been squandered in service of partisan victories. do you think that criticism is valid? what kind of concern is there, at the court right now, about this legitimacy. >> you take the poll numbers, and then it is consistent with a lot of what we're hearing. -- and other commentators have said several similar things. for good reason. the supreme court reached out and its abortion rights decision when it reversed throw. it has been reaching out and several other cases to. but everything a sort of crystallized, and the jobs opinion. our first row. and we have seen the court then, not just today did last session. but already take up new cases. that it didn't need to hear. on -- affirmative action in college
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campuses. voting rights cases. all sorts of disputes that showed a very -- as one of the liberal the center said at one point -- a very restless majority trying to accomplish things. so, i do think that there is reason for concern. and i do think that the justices are noticing. but they're noticing in different ways. chief justice roberts, in a sense, in denial about this. he says people just feel like our bottom line. they should be questioning legitimate see. but it is not just the bottom line because people see the court rolling back precedents that are half century old. and voting so consistently along partisan lines. donald trump said he would appoint only people who would reverse roe, and those three new >> so glad you brought up te chief justice, john roberts. because his airport has indicated he actually tried, behind the scenes, to try to
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mediate the dobbs decision. and put it somewhere closer to where public opinion polls show the american people are. in terms of restriction on abortion. take a look at -- who can show exactly jones just summarizing. what the chief justice had to say about the course of just missing in the recent plots. >> the court has always decided controversial cases, and the decisions have also been subject to intense criticism. and that is entirely appropriate. lately, the criticism is praised in terms of these opinions, it calls into question the legitimacy of -- and i think it is a mistake to view those criticisms in that light. >> so, scott jennings, what is your take on this. because mitch mcconnell, you have worked for for many many years, has been a key architect of the court in its current form. and it has been something that
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democrats were very upset with how merrick garland's nomination has been handled. for example, among other things. do you think the way that mcconnell has conducted his efforts around this contribute to the legitimacy of the court. >> i think say the polling numbers don't have anything to do with how the cortes's job. i mean, the legitimacy, what you want the court be subject to the whims of the opinion of? that is now under there for. they're going to interpret the constitution. and to interpret the laws that congress passes. so, i, think right now people are questions legitimacy are just mad that they're not getting their way every night. and institutions legitimacy cannot be called into question just because you don't need to weigh 100 percent of the time. to me, it is very clear, it is considered court right now but it has not always been and will always be a free country. which is derived from the people. we are the sovereign, we don't have a king or queen. the supreme court has a majority of justices who are nominated there by president who first came to office without the support of the
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american people. they got into the left or college, that's fine, they did get the popular support. and then their centers from small states that represented a minority of the american people. >> -- if you need a fairytale, listen. the supreme court is not on the left. 60% republicans think they've done a great job, only 30% of independent and democrats -- won two thirds independents don't think the court is doing its job. that is a crisis of legitimacy. >> can i say something? some with the change soon, scott. when you settle up the up, it'll be down. the youngest member of this court, the newest justice, jackson. are all in their 50s. they're gonna be here longer than we will be here. price mitch mcconnell, and praised jesus, thank goodness. i just think these guys are not supposed to be reading polls.
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this was buried in constitution. >> there's blustery the constitutional right wing claptrap talking points. >> all right guys, we can go all night on this topic. unfortunately, we are out of time. paul mccullough, scott jennings, thank you very much for that. we will be right back. i paid, it followed me everywhere. so i consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $10100k. sofi. get your money right. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today. >> sgers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ hi, susan. honey.
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thanks so much for watching. i will be back with you tomorrow night. don't go anywhere, don lemon tonight starts now. hi, john. >> and i just naive to think that republicans would be speaking out loudly against the former president's attack on ghislaine zhao and mitch mcconnell? yes. exactly. >> you are making me put my capitol hill reporter hat back on. >> hello. >> i've explained over and over and over again that no republicans are not gonna say this, not this, time not next, i'm not the time of. that >> it's crazy. thank you, casey. i will see you tomorrow. thanks. this is -- we have got news on the stock with the former president took with him to mar-a-lago. i want to talk about the other story to.


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