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murdaugh's home that are like the murder weapons they seized a 300 blackout rifle, seize add shotgun, but that ballistics expert is now saying he's not sure if those are the weapons he can't say they are or aren't, we know that the weapons had similar correctives to the murder weapons but they can't for sure, haven't received official information they had those murder weapons. > > anderson: appreciate it. thank you. there's much more ahead on this busy friday night, we'll get an update on the second chinese balloon over latin america according to the pentagon. what happens and if the tries to shoot it down, we'll look at that and breaking news coverage continues. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone.
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. breaking news two suspected chinese spy balloons over the americas late tonight the pentagon said a second is crossing latin america right now in addition to the one being tracked over the united states. also late tonight, defense official told us that u.s. northern command is now coordinating with nasa to determine what the domestic abuse field would look like what it would be if the balloon were actually to be shot down. in a moment we'll talk to former
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top china analyst at the cia what he thinks this may lead up to, first or rent lieberman >> i have no idea >> a chinese spy spy balloon drifting across the united states, pentagon calls it an unacceptable violation of u.s. air space and international law. >> we know this is a chinese balloon and that it has the ability to maneuver. >> it's definitely moving. >> balloon is headed east at 60,000 feet will be over the u.s. several more days depending pentagon says, officials no the currentlying the location. >> certainly has ability to look up in the sky and see where the balloon is. >> the balloon made its way from where first spotted in montana on wednesday, down through the middle of the country and sightings in missouri slow almost scenic route across the heart of america. with current jet stream condition, the balloon could continue eastward along roughly this trajectory in the coming days. in a rare friday night statement, china apologized saying it was an off course
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weather balloon according to the chinese foreign ministry, it is a civilian air ship used for research, mainly meteorological purposes affected by the westerlily and with limited self steering capable it deviated far from its planned course, it's an explanation the former director of intelligence james clapper finds compelling. >> i don't think the chinese would expend the political gives them all the intelligence they need. >> we heard the science excuse breanya from it claimed it was a routine space craft experiment. >> they have a massive he is bean nach campaign, this is like tiktok, did anybody trust china? of course not and good reason, no one trusts china >> it has spy satellites one thing they can't do is loiter over one area, pentagon said it
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will continuously track the balloon make its way across america, the u.s. response so far on diplomatic front with secretary of state antony blinken >> we concluded conditions were not conducive for a constructive visit at this time, decision to take this action on the eve of my planned visit is detrimental to the substantive discussions we were prepared to have c for now, the pentagon said they don't have the plan to shoot this down partially because of the risk to people and property below, if you shoot this at 60,000 feet, something the size of three school busses could create quite a large debris field so there is that risk. but they are continuously tracking its movement if they decide the surveillance risk of that us continuing to pass over the u.s. increases they retain the military option. >> more now on the diplomatic with china and what the pentagon plans to do cnn joins it,
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blinken delayed the trip what else did he say. >> the secretary of state, he was clear in saying that he believes that this was deliberate on behalf of china, he said this was action they chose to take ahead of his visit, and what that means is that the united states does not at all buy the argument by china this was accidental this came into the united states, it went off course and came over u.s. territorial air space, they believe that china was doing this sort of provocatively and so he took down the trip calling what they were doing unacceptable just listen to what he said. >> china's decision to fly a surveillance balloon over continental united states is both unacceptable and irresponsible. that's what this is about. it's a violation of our sovereignty, it's a violation of international law. >> what he also said is he wants to make this trip to beijing, they plan to reschedule what he
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didn't say is what conditions have to be met in order for that to happen. and state department officials you know, said they want to go ahead with it but right now, what the u.s. government. is really focused on the secretary said that today, is making sure that this balloon gets out of u.s. air space, then of course, we can turn back to what the diplomatic conversations look like but this is not good time for this to be happening >> is it clear u.s. wants to let it leave the air space and let it disappear? we talked to somebody in the last hour said the u.s. should not let this get away, it should be studied at the least >> a lot of different opinions -- what u.s. officials are looking at is the reward and risk assessment. because if they shoot it down, it could be rewarding in some senses to make sure that china doesn't get this intelligence, that this spy balloon was collecting, you know, traveling from montana to the eastern coast of the united states, but
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there's also a risk there, i mean, you her or en talk about the earlier you shoot something down big as three bus that is could harm hundreds of americans, the pentagon said today, so we know that these discussions are still ongoing, they haven't decided if they're going to shoot it down, it is still an option on the table. >> thanks so much. joining us dennis wilder formally cia, currently a professor a at cool of foreign service, four star general supreme court allied commander. professor wilder what do you make of this second spy balloon? it under cut china's claim that the first aircraft was a weather balloon that regretly entered u.s. air space >> i think it does. the first balloon was unprecedented, we've never seen anything like this before china sailing something over the united states spy mission like
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this over the continental united states but to have two of them at the same time, when we've never seen anything like this in our hemisphere really leads me to believe that this was very much a planned operation. now, the question is who planned it in china? and i am of the opinion that there's a case to be made that this is a chinese military operation that may not have been very well coordinated with civilian leadership. >> is that possible? i know there have been cases in the past people in the liberation army doing something wasn't necessarily sanction higher do you think that's what's happened. >> i think there is, i've been watching the pla 36 years. i've seen this happen before, where they want to do something, they're very stove pipe system in china, the chinese maryland is hard lined as anybody in china on the united states, they have very much disliked our
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recognizance missions near their coastline be they've been irritated by those, this may be a sense a pla pay back for what we've been doing. >> general, the balloon was first seen floating over montana, obviously the state, home to part of the nuclear try ad and white man air force base in missouri home of the stealth bomber fleet, what do you think the value of the maryland intelligence in china could be gaining from this balloon is compared to spa satellites. >> they can gain photographic imagery but they can gain electronic emissions and this could be more important. the spy satellites that are orbiting even in lipty cal orbits are there and gone be this balloon is loitering. we don't know exactly what he emissions they're collecting presumably they're collecting
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all kinds of microwave other electronic emissions radiation signatures on the ground. there's a variety of things they could pick up, anderson >> how serious do you think this is? . >> i think it's very serious if we have a situation where the chinese military is doing things on their own, and people like the chinese foreign ministry i have no idea what's happening. china needs to get ahold of its own system. i also think that before the secretary reschedules his visit to beijing we need to lay down markers and have some assurances from the chinese that this kind of thing isn't got happen again. >> so professor you don't buy that this is a provocative act by the chinese government. in order to, i don't know, embarrass the u.s. or something like that? >> no, anderson, i don't, i'll tell you why. the fact that the chinese government. came out very quickly and apologized for this, that doesn't make sense in the
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context that they were trying to send a big signal to the united states. it's clear that chief really wanted to visit secretary blinkin he's on a charm offensive right now with the world trying to say that china reopened for business, he wants american businessmen back in china, not diverting their supply chains away from china while china's economy tries to get back on its feet. so there were all kinds of reasons why he wanted this visit, and the fact that china movie very quickly to apologize, which is extraordinary, china doesn't apologize. that's just not in their dna. >> general clark, what do you think about that? >> you know, i think it's possible what the professor says but i will tell you from my personal experience, anderson, when we were under going the crisis and i was nato commander and they were trying to infiltrate forces and take the airbase, the russian foreign ministry apologized they had no
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idea what was going on. but it was a planned operation. so it's very possible that the chinese foreign ministry is sincerely apologizing. so it's possible that they're simply not in the loop on what's actually going on and why. >> general clark, do you think it should be shot down or somehow collected >> i do, i think we need to take it down. now, how we do it and where we do it, that's a military decision, people are looking at it. if it were up to me i'd be taking it down over the when it clears the coast line and use navy assets they could do the better and more safely but anderson you got something if it's as big as we think it is this weighs several tons a heck of a pay load, no telling what's inside. we'd like to see what's there. >> professor wilder, do you think, is there -- professor do
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you think there's a lot of value in whatever is in that pay load of getting access to it >> i think it would be very interesting i also think that if we see the pay load, we, of course, will know immediately whether or not it is a spy satellite, and we'll be able to take that evidence back to the chinese government. and again, extract some conditions and promises on that. so i actually think it's important to get that pay load. >> fascinating, thank you, earlier clark, thank you. next what republicans may do next now that they control the house, we'll hear from the jewish democratic congressman who spoke out against elon omar for anti-semitic comments george conway joins us and addressing the homelessness in los angeles where the size and scope has been growing for years. been growing for years.
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my friend ilhan omar worked together to the values i treasure as an american jew and that she treasures as an american member of the islamic woman. the only one on the foreign affairs committee. that is the third largest religion in the world. and we -- in the united states of america, i am just furious, we have seen all kinds of anti-semitism from the other side of the aisle. >> i spoke to her earlier tonight. >> congress woman, i appreciate you joining us speaker mccarthy said the move of representative omar was not a tit-for-tat because republicans removed her from one committee while democrats represent marjorie
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green from all committees, is that a fair comparison. >> first of all thank you for having me, it's ridiculous. marjorie taylor green was -- the hypocrisy is overwhelming, this is a person who had advocated violence, was talking about jewish space lasers that were causing fires in california and the vote to take her off the committees was bipartisan. i don't know what the speaker now is talking about, the hypocrisy is just overwhelm. >> have you received feedback from constituents about your support for representative omar? >> oh, lots of feedback about a million people now had seen what i said on the floor of the house and i would say the vast majority has been popular. people have agreed with me.
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they think it is wrong for this woman, ilhan omar to be removed from her committee. especially after we have seen the anti-semitism from the other side of the aisle and now they're saying that she has not -- is not worthy of serving on the foreign affairs committee. the only muslim person on that committee, the only muslim woman, of course, on that committee, for the last two years without any problems. >> a couple house republicans said that the move was made not because of her race or religion, but because of solely her past anti-semitic comments point to according to man schiff were also removed from committees, do you believe them that race and religion did not play a role here. >> i don't think there's any question that a woman of color a muslim woman, that they don't want her on the committee. and the accusation of being anti-semitic after we have seen certainly former president trump
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talking about how fine people on both sides were in the anti-semitic rally, where a woman was killed, when we have seen several members including the current whip, the new current whip of the house, according to man emmert saying that jews have paid for elections, and even kevin mccarthy himself who said that he thought that rich jews were really buying the congress. >> is this a sign what is to come the next two years? is this just the beginning for you? i don't think there's any question that this republican majority wants to find the games they can play that are going to try and put democrats in a bad position but i think most people see this is really fake and phony and that what we have seen over and over from the
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republicans advocating for violence, advocating for insurrection, and now they're going to blame this woman who apologized unlike any of them, ever apologizing for anti-semitic remarks. to take her off her committee where she has served well for two terms in congress. >> thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. now what republicans have done with the house majority so far and what that suggests the next two years might look like, we're joined by conservative lawyer and columnist george conway. council woman said omar was removed out of revenge. a lot of republicans pushed back. do you think that's the case? it certainly seems that way, because it's, if there are certainly not applying a new tall standard, we have more jurorry taylor green who talked about jewish space lasers start,
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wild fires in the west and wants an covid measures to the holocaust -- and she said green is on the home land security committee and believes that she wants asserted that 911 was a setup >> the pentagon didn't happen. >> the notion that she should be sitting on committees and indeed one of the most powerful members of the house of representatives today and that omar should be removed is absurd, they weren't great things, she apologized, but the last people to be throwing people off committees for saying things are the republicans at this point. >> yet, mccarthy was able to get even pretty moderate members of his you know, of his party to go along on this, what does that tell you about what the next two
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years >> i think the problem is really legislate. they don't have a legislative program. this is all performative >> and that's what it will be. >> that's what we'll see the next two years. because they really don't have anything constructive to do, they like to talk about they had a vote today about whether you support socialism, ok, nobody supports socialism. what's the point? they're talking about the budget and spending, a quarter of federal debt was run up during the trump administration, they didn't say much then, it's all just performative and it's sad. >> the george santos thing kind of a side show and craziness but speaks to mccarthy's need to you know, keeps as much support as he can. >> they got him somehow to quit some of those committees but the the fact of the matter is this is man who got his office and
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gened his office through basically fraud. he pretended to be someone who he wasn't. and the notion that he was seated at all and that he was cultivated so that mccarthy could get the speakership is an embarrassment. >> the kicking of schiff off, the argument that kevin mccarthy was making was that integrity matters and yet it goes >> integrity, swalwell, there's never been an accusation of wrongdoing in connection what they're talking about, and schiff, the real, beef against schiff was that he ran the impeachment, the first impeachment, and you know, he was a patriot in doing that. and on her we have mccarthy talking about honesty he lied about what he said to his own caucus about january 6, and has -- i mean, completely deceptive
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about -- about what. >> nothing, gets done, it will be disperformtive theater. >> certainly seems that way. >> george conway appreciate it. coming up while americans watch the sky tonight with the chinese fly balloon still over soil, there's security concern much closer to our home, former fbi inside john miller investigates the surge in attacks in the nation's power grids, former federal official showing white supremist groups among them them spreading the life-threatening violence next. life-threatening violence next. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry. ♪ let's go! ♪
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> > anderson: reported earlier on the millions of americans cope wig extreme cold tonight, that's not the only extreme risk that the electricity providers have to worry about, the attacks on power grid is disturbingly easy to carry out and stopping them difficult. >> all of a sudden about 8:4520 shots fired off across the street. >> december 3rd, someone shot at two power substations in moore county north carolina, tens of thousands of homes and businesses were left in the dark. >> gotten heat we don't have a fireplace >> it took days to get the lights back on and so far, no arrests. >> the power system is inherently vulnerable, and it may not take all that high tech an approach to cause physical disruption that could have very large consequences. >> 163 reports of suspicious
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activity vandalism, sabotage and physical attacks on power facilities reported across the country last year >> this is in the the boogie man, a number of individuals and extremist groups online right now have already signaled this is part of their play book. >> this is one of those play books with a swastika on cover. the main thing that keeps the anti-white system going is the power grid the document reads, this is something that is easier than you think, peppered all over the country are power distribution substations, sitting ducks, worthy prey. it's part of a would it power philosophy called accelerationism, which wants to destroy society and replace it as they see fit with the power off when the lights don't come back on, all held will break loose, making conditions desirable for our race to once again take back what is ours they write, dve, stands for
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domestic violence extremist dream of striking right spots which government reports say could cause a domino effect and black out huge parts of the country. >> if you were to target eight or nine very key nodes throughout the united states, you potentially could have a collapsing effect. >> cross country power lines and substations are usually in out of the way places that are hard to protect. an experts say to keep the lights on, the grid needs to be more resilient to attack, key kidney needs to be better protected and utilities need to be better prepared to fix damaged equipment. but that is not easy. >> what's inherently very difficult to harden or protect tail. >> no one at the moment has author to deal with the entire system and we need to get that situation fixed. >> the responsibility has spread between federal authorities, states and power companies. >> we woke up 5:30 and the power
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was out. >> amanda clark found out how real the threat was christmas morning. >> we had primary rib, ham, baked potatoes 12 people coming. >> police say these two men broke no four steaks outside her home cutting fences and leaving fire burning to cause a blackout that would not just kill the lights but also a burglar alarm to empty the cash register at a local business, so many other attacks on power stations remain unsolved and power infrastructure remains in the cross airs of domestic extremists. >> no doubt in my mind that 2023 this year we're in now is probably going to be the most catastrophic when it comes to the uptick of dve attacks on electricity infrastructure. >> john miller joins us again, any idea how many groups targeting those things >> a growing number, they're the
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core groups fire creek division, damn, the german today's intimidation, more generic names, the base, white supremacy, neo nazi collapsed society, restore white power, and the grid has become their obsession. >> so what's the benefit of having blackouts? the beginning of the white power renovation. >> this goes back to charlie man son, there will be chaos and the race war will start, and they have kind of adopted that to if we can cause circumstances that will bring mayhem, people will fight in the streets, they will lose confidence in their, and they're survivalists, got their weapons, ration, water, they're
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. > > anderson: want to spend to him now visiting a story refocusing on city's attempts to curb rying homeless populations or in the case of a san francisco shop owner we were reported on arrest last month after video showed him spraying water on a homeless person what happens when the problem has been >> shows recently made an effort to clear way tent encampments on city streets, part of her program call-ins safe, the homeless are them housed in motels the city just recently received a 60 million dollars federal grant to help those homeless but the cost of dealing with the problem is huge, and there are questions about how many motel beds and suitable housing is available in a city where thousands of people live on the streets.
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nick watt has more. >> nearly 30,000 people live on the streets of los angeles, more than any other city in america, among them, >> i've been raped a couple times i've had a gun pointed to me, a knife pointed to me, been vandalized. >> this is bad for the unhoused and for the housed. who live amongst them. >> i'm a caretaker for my mom, and we, we're locked inside >> la's new mayor day one on the job declared this a state of emergency. she has a plan. tear down the tents, move the people into motels for an indefinite stay, provide them services and eventually permanent housing. within two weeks of bass taking office, these notorious venice streets are cleared. before, after. >> much safer today. much safer. i was thrilled. >> the fact that these you know,
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encampments we started soon after you took office makes me concerned that perhaps the back end and the actual permanent housing hasn't quite been thought through, so you're getting people off the street because it looks good. >> you know what? i'm going to tell you something, i'm not going to leave people on the street while we're building. we have got to get people die on these streets. ? the psychologically damages you. >> how long were you on the streets >> i never had my own place. >> now he has a motel room after decades in prisons and on the streets. >> do you have any kind of time frame as to when you might move into a place permanent. >> should be soon waiting documentation, guy was supposed to bring back my id. >> it's a complicated process >> robert and were also moved from a venice sidewalk no a motel. >> they walk look at you like you were nothing, dehumanize,
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less than. the out, brushed off but the rushing you hear about. with that resentment in my heart. turns me into somebody i don't want to be. >> there is a, to get a motel room you must let the city destroy your ten. >> when do you think you might actually get somewhere permanent to live. >> i don't know. it's a scary thing to think about. >> why scary. >> no tent. ? the point is you're not going to need a tent. >> but i think that some people feel scared giving up what is their only safety net. >> i absolutely understand that. we'll have to examine that. >> there's another condition. >> you can only take a couple of bags of possessions with you to the motel. >> socks >> everything else is trashed. >> some are getting move 12 miles across town, some getting moved into motels that don't
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have blankets don't have towels. i'm glad you mentioned that. again, all of this you're watching something being born. ok? so i want to now say to angeline know's, let's help these people instead of blankets warm on the streets give them blankets and towels and hygiene things moving into motels >> she didn't live in a tent. . >> the first night i was in a tent, a gay member sliced it with a knife and i said ok, i can't live like this, so i created this over here. ? it's warm in here. >> it's warm because of the tarp. >> and now, she's very happy to give it up. >> you will be glad to get into that motel. >> yes. heat, walls, a door. shower? >> fielding is as optimistic and determined as the mayor to make this work. >> good luck. >> she gets a motel room and the locals get their bike path back. >> the problems though are so
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chronic for many of the people who have been on the streets so long, they're dealing also with you know, substance issues, alcohol issues, you know, mental health issues, are those services provided to them at the hotels or the motels regardless of whether they're still using or not. >> anderson, that is the plan, as karen bass said this is a plan in motion, they are figuring it out, parts of it. as they go, listen, plenty of people tried and failed to do this in the past. karen bass said she's going to succeed because she knows people she can stop all the bickering and buck passing 2018 government agencies get a unified approach and also she said that in some ways la has become the own worst enemy so many hoops and retape to build affordable housing but she said with the emergency declaration, she can cut through all of that. she is determined, she said she didn't run for congress to come back here and get this done she
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told me on her priority list, homelessness is one, two and three, if studies, she will win an place in the history of this city, people are questioning whether she can, when i was peppering her and the pessimistic questions she said don't be so negative we can do this, her plan, anderson in the first year, she said get 17,000 people off the streets, and she told me that she's going to get the first batch of people actually into permanent housing within a couple of weeks. so we'll be watching and seeing if she really can make this work. anderson. >> appreciate it, thank you, program, news a cnn film on the opioid epidemic premiers sunday a unique look at the opioid crisis in america and attracts the rise and fall of two brothers identical begins who ran one of the most opioid empires in the country, called american pain, 9:00 on.
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. another wanted italian march of boss arrest. last month italy most wanted man arrested avar three decades as a fugitive now woven captured in france some now him as an authentic pizza maker. >> anderson, here we have another arrest of a march of yo so, he had taken on a rather peculiar role. >> his name is caught after 16 years of aiding italian justice, despite being on italy and interpoll wanted list for allegedly killing two brothers with iron bars and dissolving their bodies in acid living under an alias and working as a pizza maker in france. >> i passed him every morning i passed his restaurant every morning, every lunchtime evening, he always had a little
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smile >> he was featured in a local newspaper and posted selfies on social media. his i go leading to his downfall. greco's arrest follows that of super boss messina denaro last month, journalists and author has been living police protection since his box was, about the mafia was published in 2006 he is tells us it's normal for these bosses undercover to still want attention ukraine look at el chapo when he was working he wanted to meet shawn penn he wanted to make a movie, al capone wanted to go to the movie set of scar face. >> but despite these high profile arrests, there are still dangerous in highing, this man has been convicted of murder in
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mafia association in sicily been on the run since 1998. this man of the camarora been on the run since 2002 after convicted of murder workups charges and extortion, they're working around the clock to find those still in hiding, and to make sure those recently convicted of mafia crimes don't get a chance to get away. >> here in italy anti-mafia police say they will not stop until everyone who's on the run is behind bars. anderson? >> fascinating. thank you, now the best news of the week, friend and former associate producer and his wife marianne are parents, meet selene. she is beautiful. according to selene's mom and admitted her favorite past time is eating right then and there the clock makes sense, she and her mom are doing great and like
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