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on the three objects shot down by the u.s. military over the weekend. this as more details are emerging from the chairman joint st chief of staff. the military may never be able to recover the debris. we learned the first missile fired at the object over lake huron missed its in we may never get satisfying answers as to the mysteries in the sky. >> reporter: after days of uncertainty about the flying objects in north american air space, the white house put forward the leading theory, balloons for benign purposes following a classified briefing on capitol hill, senators from both parties feel at ease but blasted the biden administration for not being transparent about the objects. >> again, i'm not unnerved by anything. i'm confident this wasn't an attack on the country. i don't think it will be proi served the country well to have the president explain what's going on. >> there is a lot of information presented to us this morning
that could be totally without any harm to sources or methods or our national security. >> reporter: the shootdowns revealing new complications like what happens if a fighter jet misses its target? the top u.s. general confirming the first missile a side winder missed the object over lake huron. >> the missile landed harmlessly in the water of lake huron and tracked it down and we made sure that the air space was clear of any commercial, civilian or recreational traffic. >> reporter: new audio authenticated by the air force from the pilots trying to figure out what that object was over the great lakes. >> some kind of dark object. we can see something strange down below it. can't tell anything. >> reporter: the u.s. and canada having not yet recovered debris from the last three objects shot down and senior biden administration official says it's possible they may never be able to. >> very difficult terrain.
the second one off the coast of alaska is up in some really, really difficult terrain in the arctic circle with very, very low temperatures in the minus 40s. >> blast one. coi one. >> reporter: audio of the moment an f-22 shot down the chinese spy balloon. >> the balloon is completely destroyed. >> reporter: the u.s. military has recovered a significant portion of the balloon. >> divers were able to get in the water and recover a significant amount of debris including structure and electronics. >> reporter: what we are hearing more of is what you heard there from senator lindsey graham. a call for president joe biden to come out and address the public. first, to say what is known and second, perhaps also to calm everyone down whether there is any threat here or any concern here but so far, the white house has said although biden remains engaged, there is nothing in the schedule suggesting he will make
public statements about this. let's bring in the top democrat on the house armed services committee. congressman from washington adam smith. congressman smith, you said china almost certainly launched objects shot down in recent days and you think this is a case of china trying to come up with ways to spy on the united states. is that just a hunch or do you have evidence beyond that chinese spy balloon that was the first of the four objects? >> i would amend that slightly. we know china has been using these balloons, you know, here in the u.s. and also elsewhere for sometime. we also know that they represent a gap in our surveillance, a gap that had existed for a number of years as we've gotten reports about after the fact determining this had happened, gaps we closed and that's part of the reason we see so many objects more often is because well, our radars in the u.s. we're primarily looking for incoming missiles and jets.
a slow-moving balloon was apparently more difficult to track now that we're tracking, we see them. the main thing is there is a lot of reasons why balloons could be up in the sky. but typically, if that happens, if it's a research balloon, if it's a weather balloon, the people or person that owns that balloon, first of all, lets you know they're going to send it up and second of all, if it got shot out of the sky you would presume they said hey, you shot down my balloon. i want to let you know here is what it is. that's not happened. whatever these things were, they were up there for something other than legitimate purposes. so what would that be? you know, the only evidence we have is china has done that so that is certainly possible. but i think i did over state the case. but it certainly seems like something that was not supposed to be there. >> they said it's not extra
terrestrial. he thinks the biden administration has information not available to us yet unquote. do you agree? >> i haven't seen evidence of that. you don't know what you don't know to quote. i suppose that's possible. i think the biden administration is pretty transparent about this. they saw these three objects and they were in an area, you know, i think between 20,000 and 30,000 feet where they could have been at risk to commercial traffic so they made the decision to shoot them down but they don't know for sure what they were or are. i don't know and i've had some classified briefings on this, i don't know of evidence that suggestions that we know more than that. i don't know the biden administration is holding out. i don't think we have specifics. >> the white house is putting john kirby out front and center to address media questions on this. do you think that the president should talk about this?
we've heard gordon chang was on the show saying it's important justin trudeau spoke to the people and president biden should talk about this, too. what do you think? >> i don't know it rises to that level at this point. there is no evidence this is any particular grave threat to the u.s. there is considerable evidence there had been these types of objects, you know, floating up over the u.s. and canada for sometime that perhaps we didn't notice and perhaps have a legitimate purpose. i don't want us to over blow this situation in terms of what it is. so i wouldn't call for the president to make a statement on this at that level. i would certainly call for administration to keep us regularly informed about what they know and what they are learning. >> today the chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley confirmed the first missile fired at the fourth object over lake huron missed its target initially. general milley says the first
missile landed harmlessly in the waters of lake huron. this does raise the question if the u.s. is more aggressive about shooting down unidentified objects, does the inaccuracy of the first missile concern you? >> yeah, no, absolutely. we have to be careful. going back to the very first balloon and the biden administration's decision to wait to shoot it down, the more we learn the more we know that was the absolute right decision. shoot first and ask questions later is never a particularly good approach. take time to understand it and there is risks. if you fire a missile at something over the continental united states or canada, there is risk. best to be cautious and secondarily as we've heard, because they waited to shoot down the balloon we know is from china in a place where they wanted it to, we were able to recover it because we shot it down in a recoverable spot. we're learning a lot about that and certainly there is risk. people say just shoot it down.
no, let's be cautious and understand and balance these risks, which i think the biden admione a od job of doing. >> so senior officials say that in the administration say it's possible xi jinping and other senior leaders in china were unaware of the first balloon mission over the u.s., the chinese spy balloon. if that is true, what does that suggestion about china's government right now? >> well, i think it's alarming. the lack of transparency coming out of the chinese government is very concerning. right up to the point where they don't seem to want to talk to us about it, about what's going on here. china up. balloon we they didn't get back to us for 48 hours to even offer an explanation. maybe it took them two days to come up with the lie that they came up with but they need to be more transparent with us and also as has been reported, there are similar balloons floating over other parts of the world and they're not being transparent with those countries, either. we don't know exactly what is going on in china and they could
be enormously helpful if they would be more open and honest with not just the american public but with the world about what they're doing. it's distinctly plausible that president xi didn't know about it. >> the top democrat on the house armed services committee. thanks so much. coming up, details emerging about the michigan university mass shootings. what investigators say was written on a note the shooter left behind and then, they responded to hurricanes and war zones but these volunteers from the l.a. county sheriff's office say they have not seen the devastation like this in the earthquake from turkey. stay w with us. (man) for our not-so-small businesss too. (vo) get internrnet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon..
>> we're back with the national lead, the gunman that killed two and injured five others had a note about other mass shootings. they say he had no apparent connection to the university and they remain unsure of any motive. cnn miguel marquez is in east lansing where the first victims of the horrific attack are being identified. >> reporter: students fleeing.
a shooter this time on the campus of a major university, michigan state in's lansce east >> i was shaking in the bathroom. it was terrible. preparing myself for the worst thing ever. >> reporter: the shooting started around 8:30 p.m. in a classroom just as the last class of the day was wrapping up. >> i booked to the far side of the class and ducked down and he came in and shot three to four times in our classroom. >> reporter: the shooter 43-year-old anthony dwayne mcrae with no known connection to the school made his way from a classroom to a union building. two killed in the classroom, one at the student union. >> we had officers wiin the building within minutes and in the building they encountered several students who were injured. >> reporter: across the university of some 50,000 students, panic. >> myself and a few others with
me, we took heavy furniture and essentially barricaded ourselves into a study room to make sure we were safe. >> reporter: the dead alexandria verner a junior from michigan and sophomore brian frasier and junior arial anderson from grass point. ally a senior at the school watched the shooting in response unfold unable to believe what she was seeing. >> every time i think all of us hear a loud noise, we freak out. this isn't thoughts and prayers. we need change and change now. how many times do we have to watch my students die or friends die? please, like, just something needs to change. >> reporter: students, staff and residents now coming together to pray and cope with how this could happen here. the shooter's father tells cnn his son grew bitter, reclusive and angry after the death of his mother two years ago. the shooter was charged with carrying a concealed weapon in
2019. he pled guilty to a misdemeanor. his probation ended in may of 2021. ms us home to the spartans and here on campus and the statute is a makeshift memorial and a place for students and others to come and reflect on what happened here. on the body, the backpack of the shooter they found a two-page note in which he made mention of finishing off lansing, also seemed to threaten schools in new jersey where he grew up and still unclear tonight, jake, whether the two guns he had on him were purchased legally. jake? >> miguel marquez with another heartbreaking story of another mass shooting at another american school. thank you so much. coming up, the oldest member of the u.s. senate announced she will not seek a term next year and nikki haley is officially running for president. what donald trump's reaction to her announcement might tell us.
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it's time for a new generation of leadership to rediscover fiscal responsibility, secure our border and strengthen our country, our pride and our purpose. i'm nibkki haley and i'm runnin for president. >> former u.n. ambassador during the trump administration and south carolina governor nikki haley announcing her campaign for president today. she becams the first major challenger to donald trump for the republican presidential no, ma'am -- nomination and kylie
atwood is with us. governor haley is expected to enter the race tomorrow. what are we expecting her message to be? >> reporter: well, listen, jake, nikki haley is clearly in this video casting here seself as th future of the republican party. noting some ideas in the video such as securing the border and fiscal conservatism but also someone who has the lived experiences and the personal story that can attract a wide swath of voters. she talks about growing up to indian immigrants here in south carolina, not being black. not being white. the alcohochallenges with that with that experience and leading this state after that awful shooting in 2015 at the church here in charleston and also, she talks to her experience on the global stage when she was ambassador to the united nations but also speaks to the pitfalls that the republican party has run into in the past and why she as a female is well positioned
to take on the challenges of the future. listen to what she said in the video. >> republicans have lost the popular vote in seven out of the last eight presidential elections. that has to change. joe biden's record is abysmal but that shouldn't come as a surprise. china and russia are on the march. they all think we can be bullied, kicked around. you should know this about me, i don't put up with bullies and when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. >> now we heard a response from former president trump who is her only other contender for the nominee at this moment saying he wishes her luck but noting in the past she said she wouldn't run if he was running, as well. we should note, jake, she doesn't even mention president trump or being in the trump administration in the video rollout and we're expecting her tomorrow to also lean into her story who she is as a person
when she launches her campaign officially here in charleston, south carolina. >> let's discuss with my panel. abby, so much to chew over here. let's start with the fact she says she stands up to bullies. i think there are some people in the never trump ranks of the republican party that would say not necessarily. you worked for donald trump and defended him many times. >> she worked for trump. she criticized him obliquely and then supported him. it's been a lot of back and forth with her. i've actually had the same question i ask people around her. what is she going to do about that? the response is she'll cross the bridge when she gets to it. she's like a lot of other republicans planning to be running like pompeo and desantis who are basically figuring they will deal with the trump factor when they have to and i don't think others are in the same position and so that's fine. she's not alone.
not like she's the only person. ron desantis ran on trump as trump often says when he ran for governor the first time. mike pompeo wants to run. she won't be alone there. at some point they have to answer for it. >> i mean, the biggest question i have is what2022 cycle go towards trump and trump's candidates and when he's actually the one running, where exactly is she pulling from him? there is nothing in the rollout that i saw that sounded as though she was really differentiating herself policy wise or any issue from trump. >> so she said in that video that republicans have lost the popular vote seven out of the eight last presidential elections. donald trump would not agree with that statement because -- >> sure. >> -- he is delusional or lying or whatever but he thinks he won
the popular vote twice and a sizable percentage of the votvoters think that. she said we need to do a better job of appealing to the majority of voters but here is what she might run into when you told me as a pollster, a lot of people don't agree with her presenting facts. >> i think she knew exactly what she was doing. >> you do? okay. >> i think she and her strategists have to know there is a third of the republican party with trump no matter what and they're the folks that will have the reaction to the sentence you just noted. but there is a good two-thirds of the party even if they don't love the way the 2020 election went, that's not going to be the thing that turns them off. if she goes sort of fully attacking donald trump, i think that will cause a bigger problem. i think that will mean there are some republicans that they like trump but they're still available to someone else and
th treading that needle will be hard. don't talk about president trump is smart. he's a gravitational force pulling on this race and you need escape velocity or you'll get sucked in and this is her chance to escape. >> she's from south carolina which knows from dirty politics but usually it's other people who launch the personal smears. i think it's very likely that donald trump himself personally will attack her if she does actually become a threat. >> that's been his m.o. from day one. >> right. >> and, you know, i disagree, and i may be wrong. it's your party, not mine. i think primaries are like prison. you want to be the bull goose of cell back r, you go up to the biggest, baddest guy there and punch him in the nose and don't tell me you're tough on bullies if you can't talk on donald trump. the very fact that she seems appealing to a lot of people like me suggests she's a politician with a great future behind her. because republicans want angry and they want -- they want
trump. the one-third you're right he can't lose but the two-thirds can be divided up among ten people like last time. trump will steam roll her like a lot of nice governors he ran against the last time. huckabee and bush and christie and gilmore and kasich, scott walker. i just think she's going to be on the whole history. >> the difference between 2016, there is two differences. people that don't want donald trump to be the nominee will get the moment memo quickly. we seen in 2016 and those who didn't want donald trump to win, last time donald trump was the unknown. he was the exotic, the different, the this might be exciting in a field of 15 others that like we knew what that was, right? this time now republicans have other options like nikki haley and ron desantis and people they like. i know what donald trump is but i also know what ron desantis is i think and i like him to. they have more options i think
they like in addition to donald trump no longer being an unknown anymore. >> the one thing about nikki haley, if you make your tag line to the point about kicking bullies in the face, it has to actually ring true. if people go huh? that doesn't make sense. that's a real problem for her in terms of identifying what she's really about as a candidate. the generational argument i think strikes true but this idea that she's standing up to people like trump without naming trump i don't think is going to really ring a bell for voters who know. i mean, they're not -- voters aren't stupid. it takes a quick google search to find she worked for trump. >> if you win the popular vote, which she noted republicans haven't done, you have to have center right leaning voter whose left the republican party in the 2020 election. >> where is the fertile territory for the non-trump republicans? who are the people they should try to appeal to? >> they should be looking to appeal to folks if we're looking demographically, college
educated republicans in particular, ones that maybe did financially well under donald trump and liked his economic agenda quite a bit but are turned off in terms of style and my polling you can look at groups like evangelical voters that gravitated towards donald trump because he said i'll appoint the judges you want et cetera. non-college educated evangelicals is a big space but college educated evangelicals need to be peeled away. >> are there enough of them you think? >> no. because he's so dominant with non-college educated voters. when he won the new hampshire primary, he won non-college educated republicans by a field of 11. nobody else got more than 14. the next one in nevada, he won by 37 non-college voters and famously said and i'm quoting him here, i love the poorly educated. one of the great trump-isms ever. >> he has a point.
one last bit of business, diane feinstein of california announced she's not going to run for e reereelection. adam schiff and katie porter have entered the race. congresswoman barbara lee is expected to join. do you think anyone is a favorite? >> right now, i'm not sure one of those three is. we know katie porter and adam schiff are great at fundraising and they are power houses in that, at getting attention. schiff is running more on his january 6th committee experience whereas katie porter will be running a campaign statewide. no matter what as paul and i were talking earlier, it will be a more progressive candidate and emerges ultimately than feinstein was. >> nancy pelosi endorsed schiff so the democrats are lining up in their camps pretty early in the race and barbara lee is making the case. that's one of the senate seats in california used to belong to a black woman now the vice
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in our world lead, the death toll from the earthquake in turkey and syria has surpassed 41,000. a number so big it's hard to understand and yet, we're also still seeing and hearing stories about people being found alive in the rubble. this remarkable video shows the moment a survivor trapped in the rubble made contact with rescuers by waving at their
camera and two brothers ages 18 and 20 were pulled out in the same city a few hours later, a 35-year-old woman was rescued alive. many rescue teams from around the world including here in the united states are bringing much-need kpdexperience to this humanitarian crisis. >> reporter: deep in the heard of turkey's disaster zone, these americans are on a mission like no other they've known. as soon as the earthquake hit, volunteers from the los angeles county sheriff's department say they just knew they had to be here. >> the type of thing that we feel strongly about because we volunteer to do search and rescue back in america and so it's one of the things that just is burning in our heart to get out there and help people if we can. >> reporter: they do mountain rescues, have responded to hurricanes and even traveled to ukraine. they never seen anything on this scale before. >> i mean, the destruction here is incredible.
there is -- we're in one city right now where there is, you know, we could go to each and every building and know there is someone that needs help there and there is not enough people to help them even though there is over 100,000 rescuers, they would need a million and this is just one city in a very large picture of turkey. >> reporter: on monday, they helped rescue a 17-year-old boy, the third life they've saved this past week in hard hit areas but there is just so much to do here. >> we're looking at a pile of rubble the size of this building behind me and we're standing there just on a pile of rocks. we knew there were hundreds of people underneath us and getting to them is just near impossible. >> issues where we feel helpless and because so much devastation is being witnessed, it breaks our hearts. there is times where, you know, complete happiness and joy because of people being found. so it's a roller coaster of emotion. >> reporter: the group says
they're only here to support the people of turkey reeling from their deadliest earthquake. >> the people of turkey are doing the hardest thing they've ever had to do. they're having to unbury their own community, their friends and loved ones. some of the people we're working with lost their entire family and they're helping -- >> their still out here. >> their helping to dig out other people's families. >> reporter: there is no giving up. everyone here is searching for a 70-year-old grandmother, just one mission in one city in one massive earthquake zone. and jake, when the team came out here, they didn't really know what they were going to be doing. they are emts and thought they would be setting up in a field hospital but diverted towards search and rescue because this is where they were needed the most. they tell you they don't do urban serarch and rescue and don't have the right equipment but their work made a difference
as has the work of other teams around the world and we saw neighborhood how much people. jake? >> thank you so much. as we said, even though the earthquake happened more than eight days ago, rescuers are finding survivors until the rubble miraculously. san joy gupta is on the ground in turkey. how do people survive so many days later trapped without food and without water? >> reporter: it is pretty remarkable. people that died, 41,000 that is hard to get your head around. there is some 85,000 people who have been injured in need of medical care. they are the survivors and it's pretty extraordinary. typically, when you think about the needs of somebody who's trapped under the rubble, water,
100 hours maybe without. that would be the max and one of the things that's happening here is because it's so cold outside, it's dropping below freezing. that's a double edged sword, jake. it reduces the need one may have for water but makes it difficult with the overall conditions. i will say 90% of people typically are rescued within the first 24 hours. if you start to look beyond that, the maximum time to rescue after that is about 6.5 to 7 days. we're beyond that now. we'll see the rescue mission continue. sometimes people have pockets of water we dithat can help but ths different conditions. >> tell us what you're seeing in turkey. >> reporter: well, when you talk about as you heard the scale of things, so many people in need of medical care many of the hospitals in the area were
destroyed, as well. one of the largest trama centers is here and part of the reason we're here. they have seen some 5,000 patients over the last seven days. this is nothing like they've ever seen before. i had a chance. they gave us this incredible access to talk to the chief of staff in the hospital asking basically how they were coping and what they were seeing. here is what he said. have you ever seen anything like this? has the hospital ever been this busy before? >> in the covid pandemic in this hospital two years ago and again, our staff is very successful for managing the pandemic situation. >> that was busy for the pandemic but there is -- >> the pandemic, i called it now pandemic and it's -- it will be
more difficult than covid pandemic. >> reporter: just a few minutes into our conversation they were all paged to go to the helepad because there was a 26-year-old woman coming in. she had just been rescued a couple hours earlier. she had a classic crush injury meaning her limb, her leg was pinned underneath the rubble and when that happens, all these toxins can build up in the limb and when you take the pressure off, those toxins can sweep into the blood supply so you have to get care right away. i.v. fluids and in her case, dialysis. that happened while we were there. we are day eight. the rescues are continuing. many of those patients are coming to the hohospitals like w there. the government says the area around a toxic train derailment in ohio is perfectly safe but why are there reports of
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it's been nearly a week since the evacuation order was lifted in east palestine, ohio where a train carrying hazardous chemicals derailed on february 3rd. three days later fearing an explosion, authorities controlled what they call the controlled release of the toxic chemicals and burned off which created a massive black cloud over the town and while the epa has tried to reassure the public that the air and water in the area are safe, not all residents are convinced and they are incredibly concerned about the long-term potential impacts both on the environment and economy. jason carroll is in east palestine, ohio. ohio governor dewine gave an
update a short while ago. what did he have to say? >> reporter: he did. he did. one of the headlines out of the update from the glove new york city -- governor, as well as well as state health officials, they are strongly recommending those who evacuated and returned home, some of those folks say you should drink bottled water unless further notice. this is especially true they say of pregnant women and women who are breast feeding. also included in that are folks who have private wells. so this announcement just coming out just a short while ago. they're saying that again, most of the contaminants have been contained but they want to wait for more testing to come back from the municipal testing that is still outstanding. so right now in terms of the cleanup effort, they're focused on four waterways. they do say that since the train derailment and since the controlled release, they said now an estimated 3,500 fish have
died from 12 different species. we spoke to a number of people here on the ground who are hearing about this information. they are extremely frustrated and quite frankly, really worried about their safety. the governor was asking about that. he said if he lived in the area, would he feel safe being at home? >> i think that i would be drinking the bottled water and i would be continuing to find out what the tests were showing as far as the air. i would be alert and concerned but i think i would probably be back in my house. >> reporter: again, state officials say the air quality is safe. they are still waiting for more test results on the water quality but a lot of people here feeling very unsafe at the moment. >> yeah, understandably so. the town is inviting members of the community to get-togethers tomorrow. what do we
>> from everything we've heard here on the ground expect a lot of fireworks. >> thanks so much. another person who's been following this disaster closely is consumer advocate and environmental disaster. the epa has tried to assure residents any immediate danger has passed but about 3,500 fish have died in ohio's waterways after the derailment when asked about those deaths and reports of people getting headaches and sore throats. the health director the state of ohio says it doesn't look like air quality is to blame. what do you make of all this? >> well, oh, my gosh. this kind of goes to show the delay of information that's getting out to the people and addressing their concerns. since this happened on february 3rd i've been hearing from the communities as early as february
4th about children having breathing issues, onset of as muattacks, rashes, projectile vomiting, getting evacuation orders, not wearing where to go, to shelter in lace. a lot of confusion, a lot of miscommunication if no communication. here we are ten days out, and now you're just hearing the governor as your reporter just stated, now there's an issue with don't drink the water. this is precisely what's concerning this community because all the information isn't in yet. look, it was a train derailment. ten cars with a hazardous chemical, vinyl chloride, that was set to explode that they put into a controlled burn, and the information isn't all in. so what anussurance are you goi to give this community that it is in fact safe, which has been their concern all along. and now we're hearing drink
bottled water. so this is a bad situation for this community, and they have every right to be concerned. and the reports go onto animals that have died, chickens, beyond the fish. so this is so mismanaged. and there's a systemic issue going on in all these environmental issues that aren't being addressed, and leaders need to show up at that town hall and be present and hear what's happening to that community. so it's very frustrating and concerning. >> the ohio epa says it's not sure how much of these chemicals spilled into the soil or the water. they also acinformationed the cleanup of the derailment site could literally take years. is this an indication that people should not live in east palestine, ohio, or the surrounding area? >> that's exactly what the community wants to know.
and as long as this information isn't given to them, full transparency whether you do or don't know something, you leave them in a horrible, vulnerable position to return to an environment that is unsafe. and that is absolutely unacceptable from local, state, and any federal authorities. look, this community wants to believe that the oversight is protecting them, but we're hearing way too many stories how long it could be for cleanup. we don't have all the data yet. don't drink the water. why would they want to live there? at this point i don't think there's faith or trust, jake, in what the government agencies are telling them. >> you've been call on the biden administration to be better about communicating with the residents of east palestine, ohio, who as you know feel as they've been left in the dark.
what should the biden administration, what should the epa do differently? >> show up and hear that community, see that community, listen to that community. go out there, find the dead animals, do the testing, start doing water testing, and being trance parent with them. look, by not showing up, by not addressing this, it's a national train derailment with very hazardous information, you do nothing but create a vacuum of an upset community, a misinformed community, a distrusting community, and it adds to rumors, speculation, losing trust and a lot of theories. show up and answer their questions, be present, act like you care about what's going on in your backyard in this country and be involved and not just sit there and give them a bunch of misinformation. and then you wonder why they're
frustrated. show up. >> what are you expecting at the open house, the town hall tomorrow? >> so right before we came on i heard they've changed that town hall which would be a format for the community to ask and get questions answered, it's been turned into an informational desk where you can go and get information, of which i understand norfolk railroad will be there. so the town hall isn't going to be as expected so i expect there'll be even more outraged and upset citizens who now aren't going to get their questions answered. rather the narrative will happen for them instead of us hearing their narrative of what happened to them. >> thanks so much as always. you can follow me on facebook, instagram, and
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