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>> good evening, this was already a sad and difficult day for survivors at marjory stoneman douglas high school. , 17 young people murdered five years ago today in parkland, florida. today, parkland is back the news but not as an example of how far we've come in making such massacres a thing of the past. instead, it's a reminder that the sister and brotherhood of mass shooting victims and survivors is always growing. today's, loved ones of three michigan state university students join that number, after a gunman opened fire last night shooting eight students country them. it is near the first nor the 61st shooting this year. it. according to the gun violence archive it was a 67th mass shootings with four more people shot or killed. in fact, number 68 happened today, with four wounded outside a high school in
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pittsburgh. before we talk about the larger school though, here's what we know about who was killed in michigan. alexandra verner was in a junior year, and came from the small town clawson, her high school principal told us she was an excellent student in addition to playing three sports and taking part in school leadership groups. he says her kindness was on display every second you were around. he says she waseverything you want your daughter friend to be. bryant frasert was a sophomore from the suburb of grosse pointe woods. a five delta faded to tell to fraternity. he says their family is not ready to speak. but he doesn't want their family forgotten calls brian alight in their lives brian fraser. arielle anderson was a junior, also from the same school system as bryant fraser. her family tells local station w xyz that she love children and want to be a pediatrician. per grandmother tells the free press that arielle was kind,
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comparing, compassionate, and driven. more now from the shooting from cnn's adrienne broaddus. >> there are multiple, multiple ambulances. >> the gunman first opened fire on the campus monday just before 8:30 pm. >> oh my god! >> there are still people down there, trying to get out. >> shooting at two locations, the first, inside a classroom at burkina hall. >> while the officers were managing that scene, at berkey all, we began receiving additional reports of another shooting at the msu union building. >> i'm coming down. 13, with seven. people >> it video shows students hiding in a classroom, reacting to a knock while on the phone with police. >> get the [bleep] down! i said don't open the door! >> one witness to the shooting says his fight or flight response kicked in.
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>> ran outside the, class and i talked down. and he came in and shot 3 to 4 times in our classroom. >> police released a photo of the suspect, taken from campus security cameras, and a callers tip sent them to, lansing michigan. >> it's going to be a suspect wearing red shoes and a backpack. >> the search ended just before midnight. >> clear, shots fired, 20 3:49. >> police say the gunman shot himself during a confrontation with police, and died. >> we have absolutely no idea what the motive was at this point. we can confirm that the 43-year-old suspect had no affiliation to the university. he was not a student, faculty, staff, current or previous. >> according to police, they are now investigating a two-page note found in the gunman's backpack, saying he is going to, quote, finish off lansing, and that there are, quote, 20 of him who will carry out shootings, according to a
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source familiar with the initiation. law enforcement now investigating a local residents, where the gunman's father says he lived with him, and two weapons. the shooter purchased two handguns in michigan in 2021, a law enforcement source tells cnn. >> we do have at least one rifle. >> the gunman had been arrested before. he was released from probation in may of 2021, after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor for possession of a loaded firearm. and i see students now dealing with what is next, after spending hours hiding from a gunman. >> we took heavy furniture from around the library, and just essentially barricaded ourselves into a study room, to make sure we were safe. >> i was, like, shaking in the bathroom. and it was just terrible. just like, preparing myself for the worst thing ever. >> despite the tough circumstances, there is one greeting among msu spartans that still unites them. >> go green!
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>> you guys smiled instantly. >> and as horrible and tragic and disgusting as that was, we are all in this together. everyone is here for each other. >> adrienne broaddus joins us now from the campus in east lansing. we should point out that, you know, the greeting from your end of your piece, you're an alum of msu. what more are you learning about the shooter's background? >> yeah, that greeting, anderson, is something every freshman learned during orientation. four words that connect people. and behind us, you will see the rock. this is where students come to address their concerns and complaints. and on the rock, it says how many more? that's the question students are asking tonight as they learn more about that 43-year-old shooter. he spoke, the shooter's father that is, spoke with cnn. and his father told us that his son changed over the last two years following the death of his mother, who died following complications from a stroke.
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the father told us his son became bitter, isolated, and angry. he also says his son struggled with mental health issues, anderson. >> adrian brought us, we appreciate the report. thank you. a new analysis by the washington post finds that more than 338,000 kids in this country have been exposed to shootings at some point from kindergarten through 12th grade since 1999. 338,000. we're joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. andrew, obviously a lot we don't know about this latest shooter's motivation. we do know he pleaded guilty to a firearm charge back in 2019. law enforcement source tells cnn he purchased two weapons in the state of michigan in 2021. does it strike you as odd that he was able to make that purchase? >> yeah, anderson, it's really at this point, we don't have quite enough facts to sort through this thing perfectly. but what i can tell you is on the federal level, is firearms conviction for a misdemeanor
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would not have prohibited him from purchasing a firearm. the disqualifier in the brady act is having him convicted of a felony. and he was initially arrested for a felony, but later pled that down to a misdemeanor. so that would not have stopped him. the question is whether or not he violated any michigan state lost. there is a requirement for anyone purchasing a pistol in michigan to have a pistol purchase, or purchase license, that's issued by your local sheriff or some other official. and it's not perfectly clear to me whether or not that misdemeanor conviction would have disqualified him on that grounds. >> the shooter had a rambling no in his backpack that referenced other mass shootings, it mention two schools in new jersey, also claiming they were, quote, 20 of him. you and i talked about this many times before. often these shooters have studied other mass shootings, or they look up to other mass shooters, or they're disturbed and sort of drawn to this. >> there is no question about
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that, anderson. we've seen it time and time again. the fact is among this community of mass shooters, you oftentimes see them conduct, like, assiduous research on other mass shootings, they look at other mass shooters tactics and techniques, sometimes they copy each other's manifesto's. you've seen the infamous christchurch shooter, the mass shooter in new zealand, that served as kind of an inspiration for many, particularly racially-motivated mass shooter. we saw his words echoed by the el paso shooter. it goes on and on. and of course dylan chalybeate, harrison plebe old, the shooters in columbine years ago. it was a disgusting inspiration to shooters ever since. they feed off of each other's infamy. >> the msu campus, it's like 5300 acres. there's 400 buildings. a college campus like, that really any college campus, it
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is a difficult area to secure something that large. >> it's basically -- [silence] you would have to essentially turn the entire place into what amounts to a prison, a completely lockdown kind of close down area, which is not, you know some conditions everyone would subject or college students to. the fact is if somebody decides to arm themselves and go in and commit a mass shooting, you are behind the curve as law enforcement. the law enforcement response last night appears to have been textbook by just about every measure. and yet, they always arrive after the shooting has taken place. it's almost impossible, unless you just happened to be in the room that the mass shooter chooses to enter. it's almost impossible for law enforcement to be there soon enough to stop the killing. >> yeah, andrew mccabe, i
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appreciate talking to you though. i wish we didn't have to under the circumstances. breaking news tonight in the mar-a-lago documents case. cnn has learned that federal prosecutors are asking court to compel one of the former presidential lawyers, evan corcoran, to talk in despite of attorney client privilege. their argument that the present might of you zoom in furtherance of a crime, which would negate the attorney-client privilege. the very latest now from kaitlan collins, elie koenig, cnn analysis and former prosecutor. so, caitlin what are prosecutors asking for here? >> basically, they want to talk to evan corcoran again. he's one of trump's top attorneys. he's already actually spoken to the grand jury. he did so for about four hours recently, i am told, in addition to two other trump attorneys. but i want to speak to him. again so, they have this motion to compel further testimony from evan corcoran. and the reason that it matters is they're trying to overcome that shield of attorney client privilege, which he did you'd, we are told, in the last time we met with a ground jury. they're tried overcome. that so, what they are alleging,
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prosecutors in writing to this judge, is that they believe that the former president has used his attorney, evan corcoran, in further it's of a crime or fraud. that is this crime fraud exception that would allow them to overcome the attorney-client privilege. and basically, force him to answer questions that typically he would not have to. but we should note, we don't actually know how this is going to end up. it's going to go to a judge. they estimate, they make a decision based on the merits here. >> elliott, let me. ask you so, a judge has to decide whether a crime was actually committed? >> exactly, anderson. so, prosecutors here bear the burden of going to a judge. and they're trying to pierce or get through the attorney-client privilege. one of the ways you can do that is if you can convince a judge that the communications at issue had something to do with furthering an ongoing crime. now, the standard here is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. that's what you would need to prove to a jury in order to get a conviction. here, you would have to prove to a judge, by a preponderance of the evidence by clear and convincing evidence, more likely than not, essentially,
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that you have evidence, that the evidence that we're talking about here went to an ongoing crime. it's fairly rare for prosecutors to use this exception, this crime fraud exception. and it's not assured, as you, say that they will win. but it tells me that prosecutors are squarely focused on the obstruction of justice issue. >> caitlin, is it clear to you what question spurred the attorney to invoke attorney client privilege? >> it's not totally clear. i mean, evan corcoran has been kind of one of the top attorneys on this for months now. he was there, you know, he was the one who actually draft that letter they gave to the justice department back in june, i believe. it wasn't signed by him. but he helped write it, say they conducted a diligent search of mar-a-lago. there were no more classified documents where they looked. obviously, that was not the case. because they showed up in august, found a lot more classified documents. but he didn't put his actual name on that. one of the other attorneys put her name on that. so, it remains to be seen. but obviously, that could be a possibility of why they want to speak to him. but this is a really aggressive move, maybe one of the most
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aggressive that we've seen yet from the special counsel jack smith, who is overseeing this investigation. >> and elie, what does it tell you but the justice department case, that are going down this route? and you agree with caitlin, that this is the most aggressive thing we've seen so far from him? >>, absolutely this is an aggressive move. it's rare that prosecutors do this. and it shows that they mean business. and it shows me, anderson, that these prosecutors are focused on tensely on obstruction of justice. and maybe even more so that any criminal issues than they relate to the actual mishandling of the documents. let's remember when fbi and justice department got that search warrant to go into mar-a-lago last august, one of the crimes they alleged that they had proof of probable cause of obstruction of justice. so, they went to a federal judge already ensure they had probable cause of obstruction of justice. also, let's keep in mind, the biggest differentiator between the trump documents near on the one hand, and the biden and pence scenario on the other's peers to be that obstruction of justice. and now, they're going to a judge and say you should let us
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break through the attorney-client privilege, which is a sacred privilege, because we think the communications here had to do with an ongoing client. that's dramatic, that's aggressive, and that's pretty rare. >> caitlin, and we can say for sure that this has to do with the classified documents side of the federal investigation? >> yeah, the special counsel is looking into both. but this is specifically about the classified documents. and we don't know how this will end with the judge. i think that's a really important part of it. that is going to be the next question here, of how they handle that. because evan corcoran did go through them for about four hours. so, he did answer some questions. we are told he invoked attorney client privilege there. but big question still about what they need to know, that they believe they can't know, because of attorney-client privilege. >> yeah, really big development, called, thank you so much elie honig as well, thank you. much more tonight, next, nikki haley. she attacked trump when he ran for president the first time and embraced him when he was president and said she would not run if he ran. today, she announced she is the former president's first major opponent for the 2024 nomination. we will show you how she's positioning herself and what
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and when you kickback, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels. i'm nikki haley, and i'm running for president. >> perspective now from haley supported keegan dawson, former chairman of the south carolina -- cnn saudi corners, the host of the assignment podcast, and stuart stevens, 2012 campaign adviser to mitt romney and author of it was all a lie, how the republican party became donald trump. jaden, what's your assessment of ambassador haley's first days of special candidate? and what do you see other? elaine obviously, she is now an opponent of the former president. not long ago, they were allies and she was pledging not to run if he did. >> sure, and you know, as i told someone earlier, she has the ability to change your mind and she did. and we encourage her to do that. i think the lane we are seeing right now is a little excitement we saw when there was marco rubio, nikki haley, and tim scott running against donald trump in south carolina. and we thought maybe the next generation was coming then. it wasn't, donald trump won.
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overwhelmingly, he became the president, and then lost the presidency. so, elaine that lucky haley has is the lane of the next generation stepping up. she certainly has been willing up to be the first one to go up against the president, and both presidents, really. obviously, joe biden is considering running again. so, we are excited about it. the bad part about this is i'm hearing the same stuff i've been hearing from years as a party chairman out of reporters today, anderson. i mean, do you think america is ready for a a woman, female president? do you think america will vote for an immigrant president? these sort of lines that i get, you know, we're sad and disappointing. but is there a double standard here? we're going to find out. i think the first female president of the united states will be a woman republican. but if it's nikki haley or not, i am not sure. but i'm excited about our chances. i'm excited about what she's doing and how hard she is
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working to put the campaign on the right track. >> adi, what you see is her lane? because if tim scott enters the race, if governor desantis enters the race, and obviously there's others, you know, pompeo, bolton, it could be quite a crowded field? >> i mean, having reported out of south carolina in the kind of primary periods, it's a very important state. it checks a lot of boxes in terms of constituency. and to the earlier point made, maybe the lane has widened for haley or even a tim scott. there is congresswoman nancy mace who is now in office. she is someone who has spoken very much against trump on january 6th and some other things and is trying to carve out a space for someone who is not sort of a hard-core trumpist. and i think nikki haley is kind of looking at that atmosphere and thinking maybe the support has softened a little bit. and you can hear a key argument is generational change.
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it's not that trump was bad or the former administration did bad things, it's just kind of time, which is her way of politely saying that was great, but let's move. >> stuart, you wrote a piece in the new york times recently with the title nikki haley threw it all away. i want to read a quote. you said, no political figure better illustrates the tragic collapse of the modern republican party than nikki haley. can you talk about what you meant? obviously, the pushback is she is a woman of color, a former diplomat, she could be exactly what the modern gop needs. >> i would love to take that moment the chairman was referring to with her and tim scott and marco rubio and go back to that moment. i wish that when they were out there speaking the truth about donald trump, they stuck with that truth. nikki haley went out and said donald trump was everything she taught her kindergarten kids not to be. you can't really take that back. that's not a disagreement on policy. it's not like saying i think the capital gains tax ought to
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be this or that. that's a fundamental character assessment of someone who she proved to be probably a little bit more optimistic about donald trump then he turned out. so, i just wish nikki say -- nikki haley would say that person. her sort of collapse on this embodies what happened to the republican party. i just don't think the generational change means anything if you are still supporting donald trump. all these people say they will support donald trump if he is the nominee. >> kate, and what about that? she was very tough against all trump when it was marco rubio and she was running for president. >> i do campaigns and elections for a living. you know, it's not humorous to me. these are campaigns for offices, whether governor or presidency. they ebb and flow. i understand character and integrity is important, but if you read the polls, they are about eight or nine right now.
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looking for the future and looking through the front of the window, and not the rearview mirror is what i think electors are looking for. >> audie, do you see an advantage for haley jumping into the race ahead of the possible candidates? in the long run does that really matter? >> i don't know if it matters on the long run. to the point earlier about character. there have been so many people who've said things about donald trump who ended up firmly in his corner, just ask senator ted cruz what it's like to speak against trump. that doesn't matter. it is sort of the loyalty you reveal since. that's what matters to trump's and trump himself. i think the biggest question is who is the constituency for this particular candidate? because it is not clear yet who that constituency is out of a primary election. maybe the general, we have an idea. but in a primary, we have not seen evidence that there is support for a candidate, a non-trump candidate that doesn't end up splitting a bunch of votes. and really, that's what's going
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to make this primary season kind of so interesting to watch, the cause it's nothing less than what is the future of the party without trump? >> stuart, do you think haley has a shot? >> sure, she's got a shot. but look, this conversation kind of makes my head explode. because we're talking about politics as if there is some sort of normal moment here. and it's just the last president of the united states did not attempt to end the peaceful transfer of power. we are in uncharted waters here. their official position of the republican party is that joe biden is not a legally elected president in a fair election. which means he's an occupier of the oval office. this is not a normal time. and democracy is on the ballot. and look, i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the democratic party. but one thing about the democratic party is it still believes there is a democratic process in america, and we have a democratically elected president. and until the republican party comes along with that, i just
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don't think it's about ideology or anything else. it's about whether or not you believe in american democracy, and you do what it takes to sustain it. >> stuart stevens, audie cornish, katon dawson, think you, i appreciate it. coming up next, ex cnn's doctor sanjay gupta in the battle to save lives in the busiest hospital in turkey's quake zone. that is next. ♪ ♪ no two dreams are the same. but there is one van equipped to handle them all.
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the situation is, as you well know, these places, people rise up. they take care of people in extraordinary ways. i was at a hospital where since the earthquake people have not stopped working, operating rooms have been working constantly. what has happened in so many hospitals in the quake zone were damaged. some of them rendered an operational. the largest trauma center here in adana has been taking on a large percentage of patients from 5000 patients alone within this trauma center. how they have been able to do, it how they came together was something they wanted to share with us today. take a look. ♪ ♪ ♪ time is the great equalizer in hospitals all across turkey. and there isn't enough of it here in adana city, at the teaching and research hospital. >> patients come in with fractures, what sort of injuries?
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>> patients are consistently limb lost, tissue crushes, tissue loss and brain trauma. >> this doctor's chief of staff here. within minutes, his trauma team is paged again. another helicopter is arriving. we are walking with the chief of staff of the hospital to the helipad. he tells me they've had some 5000 patients that have come here over the last seven days. the orthopedic surgeons, then our surgeons have been operating for seven days straight, basically. this is the largest trauma hospital in the quake zone. the doctors move fast. the goal? take care for this 26-year-old woman. her kidneys are failing from something known as crushed syndrome. too many toxins were released into her blood after her limb was finally freed. she will need emergency kidney dialysis. over and over again, patients from the quake zone thankfully making it here for help.
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one with the most remarkable story i have heard. this beautiful family of five felt the earth shake and then watched the unthinkable happen. >> [interpreter] our block of flats's seven stories high. >> they can do nothing but watch as eight month old baby was somehow hurdled from the window, five stories to the ground. then look what happened to their building. just flattened. somehow, they survived. after being trapped herself for almost 14 hours. she began to dig and scrape through the rubble for any sign, any sign at all that her baby girl was still alive. >> [interpreter] at that point, the fifth day, we thought we would be seeing her lifeless body. >> something astonishing happened then. someone showed them a post on twitter. at first, they were not sure that this baby girl looked very much like their daughter. >> [interpreter]
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you see, we had no idea she had been safe. >> the chaos, a good samaritan rescued the girl. she was flown here, broken and battered, left like shattered, skull fracture, small collection of blood on her brain. but yes, very much alive. >> such an incredible story, anderson. think about that building you saw there. she was asleep in a cot next to that window. had she been in that cot, she would have most likely died just by what had happened to the building. she was instead thrown out of the building and survived, as you saw, and taken to hospital. >> unbelievable. you mentioned the crush injury. i have never really understood that before. someone can actually survive and then get --
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you said platelets in the blood are released when they are no longer being crushed and that can harm somebody? >> what happens is if someone has, in this case an arm, that is sort of pinned, the muscle in the part of the arm that is pinned can start to release toxins and known as myaglobin. and they are sort of contained because the arm's been. as soon as you take, as soon as you release the arm, all those toxins can now get into the bloodstream and cause problems with other organs, including the kidney. you may remember this anderson, in haiti, they would find somebody is still alive, but before they would unpin them, they would start ivs, start getting fluids to try to prevent that problem from happening. they are doing the same thing here. they are giving ivs in the field to try to prevent that. the woman you saw there, she had that done but will also need dialysis to make sure her kidneys recover. >> you and i spent more than a month, i think, in haiti after the earthquake there.
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very different places, different building codes. how do you compare? >> there's a lot of similarities, anderson. i will tell you, one of the big differences is the climate. it's below freezing right now. in haiti, it was january, it was quite warm at that point in haiti. it was much more densely populated. here it is more spread out, the quake zone. the same sorts of problems with building codes, that pancaking of the building you saw. that is reflective of buildings that have not been built to the code of withstanding earthquakes. you are seeing the consequences of that. obviously, also northern syria, dealing with a country that has so much civil strife. it is so hard to get aid. up until yesterday, there was only one border crossing for people to get aid into syria, or that patients could come back across into turkey for medical care. you are dealing with a geopolitical situation and the climate differences. it feels very similar,
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>> congressman george santos today was adamant on twitter that he will remain in office, quote, let me very clear, he wrote, i'm not leaving, i'm not hiding, i'm not backing down. multiple ongoing investigations into his finances. he's told a long series of lies. one of numerous allegations -- in 2017, santos stole puppies from an amish dog breeder using bad checks. our gary tuchman went to amish country to learn more about the allegations. >> we've told this amish dairy farmer in pennsylvania will protect his identity. as a father of ten, who we will call fred, tells us the story of a man who came to his house over five years ago to buy puppies.
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fred breeds them as a side job. >> he seemed uncomfortable and nervous and fidgety. that's when i started getting suspicious. >> his instinct was correct. these are nine checks from november 2017. the name on each of them, george santos. the checks to buy puppies obtained by cnn were written to fred and other amish dog breeders. they totaled more than 15,000 dollar. fred says the man he then knew as george came with a female assistant. they cut their deal in this very room we are standing, in the milk house. he says the man wanted two german shepherds. >> he says, okay, we will take that puppy and that puppy. his assistant grabs the two puppies. he takes them out the door. he pulls out a check. i was like, oh no, is this guy going to pay me with a check? by then, i was very suspicious. >> you told me before, she put the dogs in the car, correct? >> right. >> before they paid? >> right. >> you are suspicious because he is going to pay with that check. you don't take checks.
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>> i told him i don't take checks, all i can take is cash. he said, would you expect me to carry enough cash to buy a bunch of puppies on a trip like this? i do not have cash. the only thing i can give you is the check. well, i thought to myself, it looks like i am done. >> i'm stuck. >> i'm stuck. >> the dogs are in the car. >> you thought they pulled a fast one? >> it was obvious to me by that time that he probably pulled a fast one. >> so you said, through the goodness of your heart, i take it, that you will take the check. >> i said, i decided the check is better than nothing. i will give it a try. >> the result of that try? >> the check bounced. >> then you were charged a fee for depositing a bounced check. >> right. >> have you gotten the money back? >> no. >> have you heard from anybody? >> no. >> mr. santos? >> just three days after these
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puppies were purchased, santos participated in an adoption event at a store in staten island, new york, according to a former owner of the business. that man, daniel alvasaro, tells cnn he wrote a check for a few hundred dollars to santos's pet rescue charity following the event, but he saw his check online and someone crossed out the charity name and wrote anthony devolder, another name santos has used. >> we have received no comment from santos or his attorney regarding all this. santos was ultimately charged with theft by pennsylvania authorities, but the charges were later dropped after santos made a claim somebody had stolen his checkbook, according to a lawyer who was a former friend of his. that lawyer, tiffany begoshin, says she no longer believes him. >> he's definitely, you know, not qualified to be where he is in congress. he should really be in jail. >> this is george santos? >> right. >> do you believe this is the man who bought your dogs and put them in the car and took him away?
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>> i feel it is, based on my memory, i would say yes, it is. >> fred loves dogs. he breeds others. he has tried his best to forget about being fleeced. but santos associate -- >> i'm disappointed a person like that would have a chance to get in the house of representatives. >> gary tuchman joins us. this is insane to me, that george santos, according to this amish farmer, wrote bad checks to him face to face and defrauded him. >> right. you know, the part about the dog. >> stole two puppies, you cannot make this up. >> that's the allegation. you heard him say that he believes that was george santos and the checks were george santos. what santos is inferring by saying the checkbook got stolen is somebody else took his checkbook and wrote nine separate checks to buy dogs. >> if you are going to steal a
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checkbook, i'm not sure the one thing you would do with those checks would be to go to amish country and buy dogs. >> exactly. important point here though, this farmer told us george santos put the dogs in the car before he paid for the dogs. he honestly, as you saw it -- >> classic santos move. >> he felt intimidated. he said, okay, i will take the check. he didn't want to take the check, he felt intimidated. he believes he was fleeced. >> he is stealing puppies, allegedly. >> you wouldn't do that? >> it's so bizarre, it's incredible to me. this whole thing, i cannot believe this is going on. >> a lot of it is quite a story. >> wow, thank you, gary. i appreciate it. new testimony in the alec murdaugh double murder trial from his wife sister, what she had to say about the night of the murder behavior, next. makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are.
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double murder trial -- south as the state nears the ends of its case, sources tell cnn that murdaugh's attorneys are considering putting him on the witness stand. murdaugh accused of killing his wife and youngest son in an legit effort to cover up his financial crimes. his wife's sister took the stand today testifying about her last conversation with maggie murdaugh and her so -- randy kaye has more. >> she loved her family, she loved her boys. >> reporter: maggie murdaugh's sister on the witness stand, feet away from the man accused of taking the lives of her sister and her nephew, paul murdaugh. marion proctor shared in court that maggie told her alec had specifically requested she and paul go to the family's hunting property that night. >> she said alec wanted her to come home that night. >> yes. >> what was your understanding of maggie's attempt that night? >> i was under the impression
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they were going over to meet at his parents. >> you encouraged her to go? >> i did. >> with at the time -- was that the last time you talked to her? >> yes. >> proctor shared how she felt after learning about their deaths. >> i just couldn't believe it. i didn't think it was true. >> maggie murdaugh sister testify about what she described as an odd conversation with alec in the days following the murders. when she asked him if maggie and paul suffered, he assured her they did not. and then this. >> i asked him, i said, alec, do you have any idea who stabbed them? i said we have got to find out who could do this. and he said that he did not know who it was. but he felt like whoever did it had thought about it for a really long time. >> did that strike you as odd?
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