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we thank you for being with us tonight. and for all of you, we wish you a very pleasant weekend and join us here monday. thanks for watching. good night from new york. next, campbell brown. tonight, here are the questions we want answered. will a presidential p.r. blitz save the obama agenda? not one, not two, three, four, five network interviews. >> there are people out there who don't like me because of race, i'm sure. >> reporter: tonight, cnn's john king fresh from his sit-down with the president on what was said and whether it will help get health care reform back on track. also, who's the real ray clark? >> this is a dear friend of ours. >> charged with killing yale grad student annie le. >> i can't say that i believe he's guilty. >> his friends can't believe it. >> this is not the raymond clark that i know. >> from good guy to murder suspect, the real raymond clark
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iii. plus, would you be a guinea pig for the h1n1 flu vaccine? what if you were pregnant? >> make me a little nervous. it's not just me. i have a baby. >> how do we know the vaccine is safe? tonight, a fact check. and the "saturday night live" crew hits the nail on the head. james carville watches james carville. our breakout, a moment you've got to see tonight. hi, everybody. those are the big questions tonight. but we start, as always, with the "mashup," our look at the stories making an impact right now, the moments you may have missed. we are watching it all today so you don't have to. and we begin with some breaking news in the terrorism investigation that has stretched from coast to coast this week. we saw raids in new york and denver and tonight authorities say one of the men being questioned has admitted he is connected to al qaeda.
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>> an administration official who's familiar with the matter says najibullah zazi has now admitted ties to al qaeda. he has been in the building behind me for three days talking to the fbi. the official who i spoke -- >> we're having some problem with that tape there, but the suspect is a 24-year-old colorado resident, an afghan national. sources close to the investigation tell cnn the alleged terrorist plot may have been targeting a major transportation center like a railroad or a subway station. there were apparently plans for an attack, possibly in the new york area. in washington today, a presidential round robin. five interviews, five tv networks, one goal for president obama, to turn the page, quiet the noise, get his health care reform effort back on track. but one issue proved inescapable. the matter of his race and whether that is a factor in the increasingly heated debate. the president spoke with cnn's
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john king. we'll bring you that interview in just a little bit. but here's how he tackled the race issues on nbc, abc, and cbs. >> i think that race is such a volatile issue in this society, always has been, that it becomes hard for people to separate out race being sort of a part of the backdrop of american society versus race being a predominant factor in any given debate. there are some people who still think through the prism of race when it comes to evaluating me and my candidacy, absolutely. sometimes they vote for me for that reason, sometimes they vote against me for that reason. i'm sure that was true during the campaign. i'm sure that's true now. part of what's different today is that the 24-hour news cycle and cable television and blogs
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and all this, they focus on the most extreme elements on both sides, they can't get enough of conflict. it's catnip to the media right now. and so the easiest way to get 15 minutes of fame is to be rude to somebody. >> again, john king's interview with president obama coming up. with the story of populous rage drowning out the story of a health care system, the white house clearly in damage control. press secretary robert gibbs insisted being angry at the president is an american tradition, nothing we haven't seen before. here he is today, on message. >> i think if somebody was standing up here in a previous administration, they might say that passions ran quite high. i think passions ran high. i recall passions running high around our involvement in iraq. we all have to check our emotions, despite the depth of our beliefs. >> we should note, gibbs has
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appoia point here. liberals spared no effort in trashing george w. bush. here's a sampling of some of the rage of yesteryear. [ crowds chanting ] now, that said, not many racist signs attacking president bush. can't say the same for president obama. a very busy day at the white house. the administration bringing out the big guns for the health care push. today, a very strong plea from first lady michelle obama, who is definitely in sync with her husband. >> under this plan, we can save lives and we can save money.
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>> save money and save lives. when i was running for president -- >> during the campaign -- >> i never said change would be easy. >> change is hard. >> change is hard. >> the status quo is unacceptable. >> i will not accept the status quo as a solution. >> it is unacceptable. >> we had a slogan -- >> fired up. >> fired up. >> ready to go. >> ready to go. >> fired up. >> fired up. >> ready to go. >> ready to go. let's go change the world. >> the first lady made a strong pitch for women's support in the health care battle, saying that women are disproportionately affected by the crisis. expect to see a whole lot more of her in the coming weeks. over now to iran and another day of massive protests. anti-government activists clashing with supporters of president mahmoud ahmadinejad. take a look. >> tens of thousands of people heading towards tehran university. there, president ahmadinejad made another searinging speech targeting israel and washington. . >> reporter: today's marches were supposed to be
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government-organized rallies against israel. president mahmoud ahmadinejad once again declared the holocaust a lie and said confronting israel is a national and religious duty. >> with ahmadinejad coming to the u.s. next week, the u.s. said today iran now faces a choice. cooperation on the nuclear issue or defiance and isolation. >> the white house spokesman called ahmadinejad's comments about the holocaust ignorant and hateful, saying that they would only isolate iran further from the rest of the world. back here on the home front, another high-profile job for one of the bush twins. jenna bush-hager delivered her first report on nbc's "today" show. she interviewed dalton sherman, an 11-year-old dynamo who has wowed thousands with his inspiring speeches. take a look. >> since i said i'm really new at this and kind of nervous, give me some tips. >> say the words clearly so people can understand them.
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splat. >> splat. >> hat. >> hat. >> sat. >> sat. >> what grade do you give me? >> an a plus. >> amazing. >> you gave this huge speech in front of all of the dallas schoolteachers, right? >> yes. i believe in me! do you believe in me? >> what were you thinking when you were standing on that stage and saw 17,000 teachers below you? >> i was thinking, daddy, this is a lot of people. >> reporter: his interests include hanging out with friends and playing basketball. so i challenge him to a little one on one. i'm going down. >> told you! >> good one, d. >> not as easy as it looks. the tv job is part-time for jenna bush-hager. her other gig is schoolteacher. former president clinton is dishing on some of his recent meetings with world leaders. just monday he grabbed lunch with president obama here in new york. he talked about it last night on
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"the daily show" where jon stewart asked the money question. >> i was, first, honored that he called and wanted to have lunch and he was down on wall street, so we ate down there, had a wonderful meeting. >> who paid? >> we split it. i didn't know we split it. i intended a treat. but i read in a paper that we split it and the press is never wrong, so that's why i -- >> next week, a big one for the former president. the clinton global initiative hosts dozens of current and former world leaders right here in new york. and that brings us to the punch line tonight. this is courtesy of the "saturday night live" crew on weekend update thursdays, am poehler, seth myers back at anchor desk. really? >> real, you interrupted someone again? really? >> really. >> it's interesting when you spoke out about president bush and hurricane katrina, less, though, when you're standing up for beyonce and the single lady's video, really. >> you know who else is rude? joe wilson.
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>> really. >> yelling, "you lie," would be bad. >> serena williams, you threw your rack et down it bent in half. >> if you're going to go after people, maybe pick better targets. no one is impressed when you take your stands against 19-year-old girls, tiny asian ladies, or the u.s. president. >> really! >> rude, really! >> amy poehler and seth myers, everybody. and that is the "mashup." we are on top of this hour's breaking news for you. a source telling cnn the man at the center of an alleged terror plot targeting new york admits he has ties to al qaeda. jeanne meserve is talking to her sources and is going to bring us up to speed in a live update coming up. and cnn's "state of the union" anchor has wrapped up a one-on-one interview with the president. what does he think of his
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president obama has just wrapped up an interview with cnn anchor john king for our sunday program, "state of the union," and john king is joining me now for a preview. john, all week the white house has been trying to stay above the controversy as to whether the intense opposition foth has been based partly on race. and you asked him about that. what did he say? >> i did, campbell. i put to him what former president carter said, that the "you lie" from the former house of representatives, some of the signs at the rallies around the country, swastikas with obama's picture on them, signs saying beware of afrosocialism. do you believe this is because of racism? >> are there people out there that don't like me because of race?
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i'm sure there are. that's not the overriding issue here. i think there are people who are anti-government. i think there are -- there's been a long-standing debate in this country that is usually that much more fierce than during times of transition or when presidents are trying to bring about big changes. the things that were said about fdr, pretty similar to the things that were said about me, he was a communist, a socialist, things that were said about ronald reagan when he was trying to reverse some of the new deal programs. you know, were pretty vicious as well. >> and so cautious language from the president there. is it racism? yes, in part, he says. he also tries to deflect it to the deeper anxiety, opposition to his policies, campbell. the president acknowledging some racism, but clearly not wanting to stoke this debate much further. >> and john, i know it was a wide ranging interview. give us a sense of what other topics you covered with him.
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>> it was a fascinating conversation. we asked the president, might he have to break his pledge not to have to raise taxes on the middle class. we talked about the momentous decision he'll face about sending more troops to afghanistan and whether he might be delaying that decision because of the politics here at home. we talked about a letter he received this week from seven former cia directors saying, please stop the justice department investigation into bush-era interrogation tactics. and we also spent a little time how the obama family, not as president, but as a parent how he's helping his family prepare for the h1n1 flu virus. >> cnn chief national correspondent, john king there. you can see his entire interview with president obama on cnn's "state of the union" this sunday, 9:00 a.m. eastern time. and we have breaking news tonight in an alleged terror plot against new york city. a source telling cnn that a man being questioned now admits he is linked to al qaeda. we have new details on this coming in right now when we come back. which is why eggland's best... are the only eggs for me.
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breaking news. tops tonight's download. let's get right to erica hill. >> we're continuing to follow breaking news into the investigation into an alleged terror plot that may have been targeting major transportation centers right her in new york. cnn homeland security correspondent jeanne meserve is in denver right now with the latest. hi, jeanne. >> reporter: erica, an administration official who is familiar with the matter says that najibullah zazi has now admitted to officials that he does have ties to al qaeda. this after days in which zazi and his attorney both denied that they had any links to terrorism. in addition, this official says the government is now exploring what charges it might be able to bring against zazi and the official says that down the
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road, a plea agreement of some sort is possible. now, we don't know exactly what zazi is telling the federal government. he's been in there, being questioned by the fbi for three days. but we have been told that an unclassified homeland security note is going out tonight to transit authorities and also law enforcement. dhs issued a statement about this, saying in part, while dhs and fbi have no information regarding the timing, location, or target of any planned attack, we believe it is prudent to remind transit authorities to remain vigilant. authorities have said for days that they believe this case was the real deal. this would indicate they were right. erica, back to you. >> jeanne, you mentioned that zazi's been meeting with the fbi for three days, or been questioned for three days. i know he's been there this morning according to a spokesperson for his attorney, since 9:00 a.m. do we know at all if he's actually under arrest? >> reporter: well, we have been advised, the media out here, not to stick around, that we won't see anything of him leaving tonight, but we've also been advised not to speculate on what exactly that might mean.
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erica, back to you. >> jeanne meserve live for us in colorado. jeanne, thanks. campbell? >> erica, thanks. what could make someone so mad at a coworker that he would commit murder? tonight, a closer look at the cop's theory in the killing of a yale grad student. plus, for the first time in weeks, they are back. protesters out in force once again in the streets of iran. [ crowd chanting ] i want to give them a card that's going to be useful in their wallet. we have a program right now called add it up. add it up is a way for a customer to shop online and earn extra cash back. we do have a power rewards program. where you earn points for that cash back to be automatically put back into your checking account. every purchase that you make, you're going to be earning points back. so, i mean, we find ways to help customers save money. that's my bank of america card. that's the one i want to use.
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in iran today, something we haven't seen in weeks. demonstrators in the streets, this time turning the tables on president mahmoud ahmadinejad. he allowed public rallies today and gave a speech bashing israel. but his critics seized the moment to take him on, and all of this on the eve of ahmadinejad's visit here next week as he prepares to address the u.n. >> taking to the streets once again in iran. this protests in tehran, an annual pro-palestinian rally. among them, thousands of green-clad supporters of the opposition movement. >> witnesses tell cnn government opposition supporters gathered near the city's revolution square while they chanted anti-government slogans on one side of the street, supporters of president mahmoud ahmadinejad chanted pro-government slogans, on the other, they were chanting death to america and death to israel. a line of police stood between the two groups. >> street protests in iran and new anger directed at a president accused of rigging his
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own re-election. [ crowd chanting ] >> what you hear is chants of "death to the dictator." this is amateur video posted on youtube and believed to have been shot today in tehran. >> some perspective now on the new rallies and next week's visit. i sat down just a short time ago with cnn chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. so this is the first time in two months that we have seen the opposition out on the streets. what's going on? >> it's significant. because everybody wondered what would the opposition do after really being beaten back in july. so many people arrested, so many people with allegations of torture, so many people killed during the opposition marches. so would they come out? and would the leaders come out? and they did. not in huge, huge numbers that we saw right after the elections, but nonetheless, significant numbers. plus, mousavi, former president,
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and this is a big deal. >> in advance of his trip here to new york, ahmadinejad has been doing a number of interviews. several reports now quoting him saying yet again, the holocaust is a myth. the holocaust is a lie. false pretext for the creation of the state of israel. what do you make of the timing of this? >> well, look, this was -- this was quds day, which means jerusalem day, it is a 30-year tradition in tehran, since the islamic revolution, that they come out in support of the palestinians. and any opportunity he gets, ahmadinejad is always questioning the holocaust. he is now a notorious holocaust denier and he's being sharply reprimanded by just about everyone in the rest of the world. it does appeal to certain people. but here's what's interesting. iranians on the streets today could be heard saying, not gaza, not lebanon, we give our lives for iran. and even though the protesters were out, big, big groups of pro-government people were out too, they were allowed to come out, they were bused in, they
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were organized. there were big protests. >> our ambassador to the u.n., susan rice says that president obama will not meet with him, with ahmadinejad when he comes in for the u.n. general assembly, but give us an update on where things stand right now in terms of talks with iran or plans for talks with iran over the nuclear issue? >> well, it's not surprising that the presidents won't meet. we will wait to see whether they're in the same general assembly room when each other speaks. and apparently they're scheduled to speak on the same day, wednesday. the united states has sate that despite all of this, it plans to stick to the administration's promise of trying to have negotiations with iran. so they've decided to join bilateral talks, join the p5 plus 1 on october 1st for the first time. so we'll see where that leads. >> tomorrow night, kristichrist joins us at 8:00 p.m. eastern time tomorrow night.
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we want to take a moment right now to clear up some misinformation being spread by the good folks over at fox news. look at what i saw when i opened my newspaper this morning. this is a fox news ad saying cnn, quote, missed last saturday's massive tea party protest in washington, implying we didn't cover it at all. well, that's just not the case. i was watching on saturday, our team was all over that story. we had four reporters there, there were two live trucks and more than a dozen staffers. heck, we even sent the cnn express. check it out. but, wow, this is a big ad. fox wouldn't have just made this up, right? or would they? hmm. >> the tea party express in today with a march on washington. >> we are at freedom plaza, just a few blocks from the white house. this is where they're going to gather, and late this morning,
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they're going to leave from here and march down pennsylvania avenue to the u.s. capitol. >> our political correspondent has got this thing covered for us today. >> oh, yes. we are in all corners of it on the nation's capitol. >> reporter: this crowd has been growing by the minute. in about an hour, they'll march down pennsylvania avenue to the capitol. they'll go to the west front, where kate balduan is. >> pardon if you can't hear me. >> this crowd is not just here about health care, but they're here about a lot of issues that they're obviously upset about it. right now they're chanting. they've been talking a lot to me. >> i'm proud to be here representing america, the constitution, and everything that we love so dearly. >> we are republicans, democrats, independents, who finally decided, enough is enough. >> i'm just proud to be a part of this. >> the crowds keep getting larger. >> i got a question. >> if most of the people that are there are for low taxes,
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less government control, but there really is an element that got these kind of outlandish conspiracy theorys about death camps and about the takeover people comparing president obama to hitler. and it really is a sizable threat. it's not just a couple of people on the edges. >> these folks are tired of being taxed, they're tired of this government, and they're not too happy about some of the big health care reform plans out there and they're letting their voices be heard. >> well, what do you know about that, apparently, cnn was there. still, we can understand the confusion over at fox. it may be tough for them to recognize actual reporting. sometimes they do forget there is a difference between covering an event and promoting it. saturday's march was a major news event. cnn covers major news events, it's what we do, it's why we're here. so to think that we would, quote, miss something, that big is just ridiculous. let me also add, the fox ad sends a false message that we at cnn are not listening to a whole lot of people out there, that
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their views somehow don't matter to us, and that their events don't merit our attention. and that's also just not true. when we cover a story, we try to present all sides of an issue. we approach our coverage without bias and tell you what you need to know, not just what we think you want to hear. and that's why we're all over those protests on saturday. and right now i do want to bring in three of the cnn journalists who were there, who reported the day's event, kate balduan, jim spellman, lisa dayherjan. >> you opened it up and at first i laughed. it was just wrong. and then i looked for an asterisk, honestly, to see it say, oh, wait, we were all over it. i mean, we were reporting it. i was there starting at 9:00 a.m. my live shot started at 10:00 a.m., throughout the day. my last live shot was after the rally was over and people had left and i did a follow-up piece the next day. we can talk about whatever we want to talk about, but the
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simple fact is, the ad was wrong, and as you mentioned campbell, so prominently placed, such a massive ad, it's just disappointing and frustrating from our perspective as journalists when we're reporting a story to see that misleading print be out there. >> and kate, you were actually standing right next to a fox crew for most of the day, weren't you? >> absolutely. we were on the podium, we were in the crowd, and for part of the day, right next to the fox crew. so i'm sure if whoever was behind us would have spoken to their crew on the ground, they would have gotten exactly what the truth was. we were there, many people were there. as you said, this is a big story to cover, that's why we were there. big concerns being talked about. health care, people concerned about big government spending. that's why we were covering and it's misleading to say that we weren't just there. it kind of makes me giggle, even now. >> and jim, you were out with the so-called tea party express bus for more than two weeks. you've been to dozens of their rallies. why was it important for you to cover them? what was your goal as you set off on that trip?
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>> reporter: campbell, and i covered across the country in the bus with them, sitting right next to a fox news correspondent as well. so i agree that it's quite frustrating. but, you know, beyond just a march on washington, it's a really important story. this is where all of the dissent, all the people that are frustrated with what's happening with the obama administration, health care, the bailout, this is really the tea parties are aware, this is all coming together out there. they don't really have a leader to rally behind. they're often as frustrated with republicans as the democrats. the tea party movement is where they are voicing their concern, campbell. and that's why i was out there covering it. >> and lisa, i know you filed more than eight reports on the -- saturday's protest for cnn radio. you also spent all day out there. and i want to play one of the memorable moments on television. take a look. >> reporter: can ask you guys something? let me ask you guys something. i've got a question. i've got a question. i want to bring this all together. you guys are on air right now.
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i want to ask the crowd -- i want to ask you -- >> let them speak. we don't need to be like this. let them speak. >> i want to ask you, what do you think of congressman joe wilson? [ cheers ] so there are people that strongly support congressman wilson, and many of them are right here. >> lisa, you've been to a lot of the tea party rallies right now. you've covered a lot of them. how does saturday's event compare? what did you hear from the people that you spoke with? >> this was easily the largest rally. i could tell the crowd right away, you are a massive crowd. you know, i have to say, though, at that rally, i saw more of your middle ground signs about spending, liberties, freedom. the most popular thing you saw was the revolutionary banner. i didn't see as many signs as i had seen at town halls that obama is hitler, those kind of things. i actually have to say, honestly, i saw fewer of those at this rally. as for this fox ad, i think we're in a dangerous position as
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the media. what you saw there at the crowd, saying tell the truth, tell the truth, to me, there is so much mistrust of media. and i think the fact that we even have to go through this right now, cnn versus fox, and you know, everybody versus fox in that ad, it takes away from time we could be spending doing real stories and it adds to that mistrust, unfortunately. which is a real problem. >> an excellent point. lisa, appreciate it. kate and jim, thanks so much, guys. appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks, campbell. a buddy, boyfriend, teammate. that's the ray clark his friends know, but police say he is a killer. tonight, we're going to talk about the two sides of the man suspected of murdering a yale grad student when we come back right after this. i started this job, i admit, i had some doubts. probably a lot like you. but i like what i found. i think you will too. car for car, when compared to the competition, we win. simple as that.
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new developments tonight in the killing of yale grad student annie le. last sunday, the day her body was found strangled and stuffed behind a wall in a lab building, the man now charged with her murder was playing softball as if nothing had ever happened. tonight, two strikingly different portraits have emerged of accused killer ray clark iii. take a look. >> the police chief himself,
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james louis, was saying that they collected something like 300 items of evidence. so that tells us that they pretty much believe, you know, they have their man. >> ray to me has been a long-term friend of mine that i've known forever and now everybody who has only known him for the past week has now considered him just a cold-blooded killer. >> a law enforcement source tells the "hartford courant" newspaper that a lab tech saw him trying to hide the cleaning equipment. >> we've heard neighbors say he's extreming controlling of the woman he's with. >> i've never known raymond to be a violent person at all. this is not the raymond clark that i know. and, honestly, at the time being, i can't say i believe he's guilty. >> so who is the real ray clark and dear friend, as you heard there, or cold-blooded killer. cnn's randi kaye has been covering the case and joining us from new haven.
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psychoanalyst bethany marshall is also with us. and here in new york, a workplace violence specialist. randi, what can you tell us? >> reporter: authorities have interviewed 150 different people, including the people who were employed in that lab where annie le worked. and after doing that, they really became focused on ray clark, in part because of the videotape taken from the security cameras in that lab build, from that security system there. authorities viewed more than 700 hours of videotape and a source close to this investigation with good knowledge of this investigation told me that they saw on that video ray clark leaving that building after someone, possibly him, pulled the fire alarm and they said that he had his head in his hands and he looked distraught. also, that same source telling me that clark's dna clearly connects him to the murder scene, indicating that the
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victim's dna was found on the suspect, on ray clark. i can also tell you that they have been tracking ray clark since before annie le's body was found, as you mentioned, on sunday, the day that her body was found, ray clark was playing softball and i've learned today that detectives were in the crowd watching his every move, there on the bleachers there. and also that at the beginning, they didn't want him to know that they were watching him, and then, campbell, as the tracking went on, as they continued to tail him, they decided to change their tactics and they did let him know. they stood around his apartment, outside, clearly showing their badges, hoping, maybe even playing a game with him, that he would come outside and talk to them. campbell? >> and randi, there are also been these reports that police might be making a second arrest? can you shed any light on that? >> reporter: i actually asked the chief of police here in new haven about that today directly in his office, and i said, what about all these reports, and all along he said that he has been saying this is a one-person investigation, a one-suspect
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investigation. he said, sure, the investigation has to proceed, may take them to someone else, may lead them to someone else. they're still talking to people and interviewing people, but right now there is nobody else that they are focusing on. >> all right. bethany, we heard raymond clark's friend saying that they're just stunned by this. he's a good guy, he's got a girlfriend, he's got a steady job. but you also heard what randi said there, that police think they've got the killer. how do you explain this? >> well, i think there are several reasons. they may not have seen the homicidal part of him. he may have had a more consolidated sense of self around his friends, who he perceived as loving him, admiring him, respecting him. but the second is that killers often wear what we call the mask of sanity. they know that they don't really think and feel like the rest of society, so they learn to look and act normal. but the third, the biggy, is that the psychopathology that leads to murder is that the killer often feels what we call
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purse katory distress. the only way they can restore their psychic equilibrium is to wipe out the victim. and friends and family members, they just hear this as complaining, complaining about the victim. they don't hear it as murderous intent. >> okay. we should be clear, though, that you haven't examined him, obviously, so what we're doing here is very much speculative at this police have said that there's no personal relationship between the two of them. that they believe this is an example of workplace violence. you're an expert in this stuff. does this sound right? >> i think the issue is not workplace violence, campus violence, the broad issue of violence, i think the real issue is how do we examine this, how do we observe this and what do we do to prevent it? and as i travel around the country, i work on campuses, i consult with companies. there are ways that you can train people to pick up on the red flags, on the high-risk behavior. >> so what are they?
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what are those red flags? >> they're mannerisms, they're things that people say, there are gut feelings that you can get. you can get this feeling that someone, something's off. someone is not right. and in addition to observing that, you need to set up a process within the organization to be able to take that information to people who are in authority, who have the ability to act on this. prevention is really what you want here. >> randi, let me bring you in so we can put the relationship in context. explain to me what we know about the work the two did together in the lab, what their responsibilities were, and how they may have been in contact. >> reporter: well, we know that ray clark wasn't a student, he actually just worked in the lab as a lab technician. and really, campbell, that's viewed as the low man on the totem pole. he was in charge of maintaining the animals' caging, taking care of the animals being used for research at the yale lab here, and he reportedly even texted the victim in that case today to
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discuss the condition of the cages regarding the mice that she was working with. annie le, on the other hand, was much more than a lab technician. she was there doing research, she was a student. she was doing medical research with her team, working on research having to do with cancer and diabetes. so as far as their working relationship, we're told by the faculty members here that they really didn't have much of a working relationship. it's unclear, really, how much they had to do with each other or saw each other. we know from the faculty that they certainly passed each other in the hallway, but how much they actually spoke to each other, it's very odd that he was texting her, if that is the case, according to media reports. so still a lot of that in question tonight. >> a lot of questions still unclear. randi kaye, thanks very much. randi, and to carolyn and bethany as well. appreciate your time. we're going to have much more on this case, we should mention, at the top of the hour with dr. phil, who is sitting in for larry tonight on "larry king live." swine flu, scary enough, but pregnant women have something else or someone else to worry
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new developments tonight on swine flu. the centers for disease control says vaccinations will be ready in a week, but it will be a nasal spray, not available for pregnant women. some pregnant women are already taking part in h1n1 vaccine trials. one of the first to sign up talked to cnn senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen. >> reporter: amy wolf is off on a historic medical mission.
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she's about to become one of the very first pregnant women ever to receive the new h1n1 flu vaccine. >> my first gut reaction was, oh, no, what's she up to now? i love you. >> reporter: amy's husband isn't the only one who has reservations about the experimental vaccine. eight months into her pregnancy, amy's not 100% sure either. but, still, she makes her way to the study at vanderbilt university. >> arm pain, tenderness, maybe some fever, maybe feeling achy. >> reporter: going through all the waivers and all the medical things you have to sign, you almost feel like your signing your wife a little bit. so i will say that that made me a little bit nervous. and it's not just me. even though i have a baby. >> reporter: amy, who works at vanderbilt, signs the forms and get the h1n1 shot. so why'd she do it? >> she said, you're not doing this because you're getting paid for it.
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i said, i don't even know if i'm getting paid for it. >> reporter: but she said she wanted to get the shot because she's scared of swine flu. and what really clinched her decision. on monday she found out her neighbor's son got h1n1 and now he's in the hospital. >> it terrified me. i was scared to death. i mean, pregnancy hormones and all, i just started to cry. >> reporter: amy wants to protect herself and her unborn baby. amy just got her h1n1 vaccine. will that vaccine protect her child from h1n1 once he's born? >> we're wanting to vaccinate children early enough in their pregnancy so they can give that antibody to their unborn children. >> reporter: so in the end, amy got the swine flu vaccine for both of them. >> i hope it's the right thing to do. i will never forgive myself if it isn't, but i think it's the right thing to do. >> reporter: elizabeth cohen, cnn, nashville, tennessee. >> like a lot of pregnant women, amy is afraid of swine flu, but still nervous about the vaccine.
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joining me from los angeles, dr. jorge rodriguez, a board certified internist. and the cdc as made pregnant women priority candidates for the swine flu vaccine. >> we can only surmise why pregnant women are more at risk. some people say it's because of the abdominal girth of being pregnant, that the lungs can't expand. all we know is that 6% of the people that died from swine flu were women, which is only 1% of the general population. so that's a huge increase in the incidence of pregnant women. so definitely at higher risk. >> and how can -- i mean, this is a tough question to answer, but how can the government and doctors be sure of its safety and effectiveness? we do know that it is being fast tracked and it's not getting as much testing as other vaccines have in the past. >> you're right, campbell. and we cannot be 100% sure. but this vaccine is being created in the same form as the
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regular seasonal flu vaccine. and that has been found to be extremely safe for pregnant women for fetuses, and for newborn children. so in extrapolating from that, we do assume, with really good reason, that this is going to be a very safe vaccine for pregnant women. >> and so far, we're also assuming that there won't be any adverse affects for the baby down the road, at least from what they've seen so far? >> absolutely. and again, that's because this is being made in the same way as a seasonal flu vaccine. and actually, the protection of the newborn infant, the best protection they can get, is to get antibodies from the mother who has been vaccinated prior to the birth of the baby. >> so when, if a pregnant woman is getting the vaccine, when should she do it? you heard the doctor talk about, you know, trying to get it early enough so that the baby would get the antibodies as well. >> well, the cdc recommends that a pregnant women get this vaccine as soon as a vaccine is available. that means in any of the three
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trimesters of birth. the first trimester -- as a woman gets along in her pregnancy, her immune system becomes weaker. so it is actually better to get this vaccine earlier during the pregnancy than later. so don't wait, if you're going to get this vaccine, get it as soon as it's available. >> dr. jorge rodriguez, appreciate your time. so many questions about this and so many concerns at this stage. it's helpful to hear your perspective. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. it is not even the weekend yet, but "saturday night live" is back and last night they took aim at a member of our own cnn family. see what happens when james carville meets his match. >> what do you make of the argument that there are moderate conservatives in the -- >> no, seth, there aren't no moderates in the tea party. they some seem moderate because they're surrounded by the super crazies. it's like when a midget stands next to a smart car. you ain't tall, midget, you're just clever.
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if you are a james carville fan, and even if you aren't, you'll get a kick out of this. comedian bill hader did a dead-on impersonation of the democratic strategist on nbc's weekend update thursday. even the ragin' cagin' himself was mighty impressed. check out his reaction today on "the situation room" with wolf blitzer. >> thank you, seth myers. >> so, james, what do you think
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of these protesters? >> do you see these people out there protesting, grown men dressed up as jokers and goblins and hitlers. these people are first-class crazy, and i should know, seth, because i'm as crazy as they come. i mean, look at me. i see this in the mirror every morning, and i think, yep, that's a good look. come on, i look a skeletor. >> well, surely they're not all crazy. i mean, what do you make of the argument that there are moderate conservatives -- >> moderates, no, seth, there aren't no moderates in the tea party. they're only seem moderate because they're surrounded by the super crazies. it's like when a midget stands next to a smart car. you ain't tall, midget, you just clever. >> he was wearing the same outfit that you were, the same shirt, same jacket, similar tie.

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