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top priority. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> take care this black friday and throughout the holiday weekend as you hit the stores. i'm fredricka whitfield. "cnn newsroom" continues with a grinning and very happy tony harris. that's every day. >> thank you, fred. are you going shop a bit? >> no. no. >> are you going wait for cybermonday? >> i should do that. yeah. >> have a good weekend. >> take care. >> let's get going here. it's november 27th, 2009, here are top stories for you for this friday morning. ready, set, save. door buster deals lure large black friday crowds. retailers are hoping holiday shoppers open their wallets and wide. it's beginning to look a lot like christmas. the obama family first christmas at the white house big christmas tree arriving today and the troop buildup in afghanistan. president obama is looking for a sizable nato contribution. will america's allies deliver? good morning. i'm tony harris. you're in the "cnn newsroom."
so here's the deal. shoppers got started at midnight at some stores and are still at it. it's black friday. the day retailers supposedly reach profitability for the year. but this is no ordinary year. we go to macy's flagship store there in manhattan. what time did the doors open there at macy's and if you would, describe the scene over the last few hours? >> reporter: we've been here since much earlier than the doors opened. the doors opened at 5:00 a.m. and at that point that we could see at the entrances where we could see, we saw hundreds of people waiting to come in. macy's ceo estimates 5,000 people waiting to make their way in and since that moment it's been a steady flow of people. i'm thinking you can probably
see right there we have revolving doors and people are constantly coming in. the crowd is picking up. it's getting more and more crowded. people are starting to bump into one another. everyone here waiting for the deals. we have ashley here visiting from iowa. ashley is here doing what? >> we are out shopping for black friday just out for the great deals. my brother is in town from iowa. we're just out having a good time. >> reporter: what time did you get here and have you been finding what you came to look for? >> we got a late start. we started at 8:00 this morning. we found what we came for. great coat. great boots. so it's been successful. >> reporter: have deals been impressive? >> very impressive, yes. we found 30 to 50% off everything. it's been great. >> reporter: thank you for being with us. tony, this is an important black friday. we're still in the middle of recession. according to the national retail federation, they expect that 60% more shoppers will hit the stores but they're waiting
for -- estimating a 1% decline in overall sales for the entire holiday shopping season. this in comparison to last year. slightly better. they registered 3.4% decline in sales last year. so they are hoping for a stronger season. consumers are still cautious. they plan to spend less. they are thinking maybe 3.2% less money than they spent in previous years. stores have actually managed to in anticipation of a slow or weak holiday season they have cut inventories and started sales earlier. we'll see what happens after the real numbers come. we'll see if the numbers in fact turn from red to black. tony? >> what i hear folks saying is more shoppers but just spending less and that one woman you were speaking to talking about discounts of 30%, 40%, 50%, maybe what you should do here is send your producer out and find some of those great deals and
share them with us on the air when we talk to you next hour. all right? is that a deal? she can't hear. i'm sorry. i had an entire plan for her. let's get to some of the other day's big stories on the cnn wire. stock markets are taking a bit of a hit this morning because dubai can't pay its bills. that's right. as you can see, the dow jones industrials average down 109 points but off of session lows. the sell-off began in asia. europe tumbled but has mostly recovered. the persian gulf emritz said it can't make payments on its $60 billion debt for six months. glamorous but no threat. the virginia couple that crashed a state dinner did not pose a danger to the president but the agency says it is looking into a possible criminal investigation.
aspiring reality stores michaele and tareq salahi have spent a lot of time in court. named in 16 civil suits in virginia either as plaintiffs or defendants. the "atlantis" made a perfect landing in florida. the weather at the kennedy space center was sunny and clear. look at these pictures. beautiful. the crew delivered key spare parts to prolong the life of the international space station. getting more boots on the ground in afghanistan. nato is apparently willing to beef up its forces once president obama lays out his plan for a troop surge. that is according to nato's general secretary speaking to cnn. >> it's too early to speak about concrete troop numbers but i feel confident that all allies will step up to the plate and follow suit once president obama has made his announcement. >> that announcement comes on
tuesday. cnn's elaine quijano is at the pentagon with what we can expect once the president reveals his plan. >> reporter: we now know that the first wave of additional u.s. forces to afghanistan is set to deploy in late december. according to a u.s. military official. shortly after president obama makes his announcement on his new afghanistan strategy on tuesday, defense secretary robert gates is expected to receive paperwork to deploy some 1,000 marines from camp lejeune, north carolina. those marines will be the first of what's expected to be roughly 34,000 additional u.s. troops to be sent to afghanistan over the next year. now, it's going to take some time for those forces to get there. why? a number of reasons particularly the tough conditions on the ground there. afghanistan is very remote terrain. there's a lack of roads and infrastructure so the u.s. relies on helicopters to move
people and equipment around. on top of that, there is a very brutal winter in afghanistan that forces are going to have to contend with and so for all of those reasons it's going to take a while for forces to actually get into the country. once they do get there, an immediate priority is going to be securing population centers particularly in the south and in the east. that's where a lot of the fighting has been. it will be military's goal really to try to take back some of these taliban strong holds like the city of kandahar in southeastern afghanistan. another priority for the military is going to be ramping up training of afghan security forces. so that one day afghans themselves will be able to assume security responsibilities. tony? >> appreciate it. thank you. the president will make his strategy speech regarding afghanistan next tuesday at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. cnn's special coverage starts at 7:00 eastern and we'll carry it live on cnn. we would like to make a personal
appeal to you to watch the speech and share your thoughts with us. you can go to my blog cnn.com/tony and leave thoughts there or you can send us an i-report. a large portion of our newscast wednesday will be devoted to your reaction to the president's decision. the tree fit for a president. the obamas get ready to welcome their first white house christmas tree. and jacqui jeras is tracking weather for us for those out and about in stores today. she'll have the shopping forecast with a vikings christmas tree there. take a look at where we are. the new york stock exchange dow down 89 points and that represents, my friends, a bit of a rally. we'll get the latest numbers and follow these numbers throughout the day until the markets close at 1:00 p.m. eastern right here in the "cnn newsroom."
live pictures of the space shuttle "atlantis" astronauts as they get off the shuttle. they landed safely about an hour and a half ago. one of the astronauts by the way a new dad. welcome back to those guys. and welcome back to the "cnn newsroom." i'm cnn meteorologist jacqui jeras watching weather in florida there because of the threat of wind. we're concerned about that impacting the landing but it stayed below criteria and everything was a-ok. we'll have blustery conditions in the northeast as we head into the evening and overnight hours even tomorrow through midday. a strong area of low pressure right now that's bringing in some light to moderate rain showers making the roadways on the slick side. however, as our low pressure system moves up to the north it will intensify a bit as it moves closer to an area of high
pressure so winds will kick in tonight and we could see gusts beyond 50 miles per hour. that could cause some power outages as tree limbs begin to break. in the west, wet weather here. a storm front making its way onshore could get light showers in san francisco. l.a. doing okay right now. we could see some isolated thundershowers late tonight and into tomorrow. travel delays are nonexistent as we speak but we could see some in the northeast and south florida and san francisco before the day is done. that's the latest forecast for you. tony is back in the "newsroom" right after the break. what do i get my boyfriend?
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time for the obamas first white house christmas tree arriving this afternoon. dan lothian following the festivities. >> we got to figure out how to get this loaded. >> reporter: for eric and gloria sunback, this is a holiday tradition. growing a christmas tree fit for a president. >> you're helping make it christmas for the whole country. >> reporter: the west virginia couple both in their 80s have grown four presidential christmas trees. one for jimmy carter, two for ronald reagan, and now this 18.5 douglas fir destined for the
obama white house. >> what we really like this year is it's going to a family. the children are there. the family is well knit. >> reporter: to provide the white house tree, a farmer has to be crowned by the national christmas tree association and then white house officials make a visit. >> they're looking for trees that have good form and for trees that have stronger branches because they use a lot of decoration. >> reporter: it takes a lot of hard work to grow that perfect presidential tree. careful pruning, experimenting to get the right mix of characteristics and a little tough love. >> she had a word with the seed bed when she gets up in the morning and get going, well, fellas, you want to be a christmas tree now or are you going wait until later and be toilet paper? and that gets the tree growing. >> reporter: these college sweethearts have been growing trees for 50 years are hoping to shake the obamas hands when they
drop off this holiday gift but then it's back to work. >> you want to let it go to your head because you have to come back out and work again. >> that's right. you're right in the season. >> reporter: they say they're happy knowing their gift will bring joy to the first family. >> we hope they enjoy it as much as we've enjoyed christmas as kids. the tree is good and they enjoy it, that's what it's about. >> reporter: the tree will be decorated and displayed in the blue room where it will take center stage to a host of white house holiday celebrations. dan lothian, cnn, the white house. how about this? a georgia man finds himself in a tough spot. he tells our affiliate he went to the bank to cash his paycheck and got 600 bucks in bogus $50 bills. >> now i'm behind on my child support. my power bill, stuff i wrote checks for i don't know if they're going to bounce or not. >> now he says the bank won't take the fake money back. we are embedded with troops in
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>> reporter: a little more than six months ago, we were with the fourth engineer battalion when they first touched down in kandahar. air lifted directly from iraq to southern afghanistan to help bolster the war effort against a resurgent taliban. one of those making the move, private first class hkimball ha. >> reporter: he was killed on october 23rd when a roadside bomb struck his vehicle. his was not the only casualty this unit has suffered. the unit has lost 11 men in just over six months here in afghanistan. most of them to improvised explosive devices. 17 soldiers have suffered so-called life changing injuries like losing limbs. >> not only mentally but
physically it's exhausting to know that someone you were working with went down and there was nothing you could do about it. >> reporter: one thing they can do is train on how to evacuate the wounded after a strike of the the hidden devices are the number one killer of soldiers in afghanistan and some in this unit had a hunts them is the only way to change it is to put more boots on the ground. >> more presence. makes it safer. they don't have enough time to place ieds. >> reporter: the bomb that killed han was a charged packed with several hundred pounds of explosives. >> they've been prepared. we've all done the training that's necessary to accomplish the mission we have. >> reporter: making that mission less treacherous will be a challenge. one of the most critical challenges in this eight-year long war.
let's get you caught up on top stories now. the u.n. nuclear watchdog agency scolded iran today. members called on iran to stop work immediately at this nuclear site. the vote a day after the agency's director said iran was stone walling. a military angle to iran's nuclear program can't be ruled out. a massive manhunt for a suspected killer this morning. a thanksgiving gathering at this home in jupiter, florida, ended with four people dead last night. police say two of the dead are the suspect's twin sisters. a 6-year-old girl and a 76-year-old woman were also killed. the obesity epidemic will feed an explosion of diabetes in the next 25 years. that conclusion in a study today from the university of chicago. it predict the number of americans with diabetes will double to 44 million. the cost of treating the disease will triple. your money in the markets and malls. we get the latest from london on an overseas debt crisis sending
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hoping to rebound after last year's disappointing sales. the national retail federation predict 134 million people, more than a third of the country, will shop this weekend for some the day is as much a tradition as leftover turkey. >> got here at 2:00 a.m. she wanted to bring us out here big old black friday for her. she never misses. third one in a row. i'm trying to get a jacket and she wants to buy everything in there. >> a diamond bracelet is what we're hoping to find. that's worth the effort. >> for $99. >> we're looking for shoes, handbags, clothes and we're here for the excitement of the atmosphere. >> uncertainty of the global financial crisis has made consumers a bit skittish. that was brought home today when the persian gulf emritz of dubai said we can't pay our bills. give us six more months. investors fear the debt may lead
banks exposed to another round of losses. what do we have here? the dubai miracle built on shifting sand imploding a bit here. isn't this the latest example of greed and excess run amuck? >> absolutely. i couldn't have -- i'm seriously concerned when i'm agreeing with you in such terms, tony. the reality is dubai spent and built. it spent and built. it continued to spend. it spent money it didn't have. but as long as it was perceived to be backed by abu dhabi and wealth people were happy to lend money. some extraordinary technological feats were built. the big building. it's even got the largest building in the world now.
eventually it came to grief. what we saw in the last 24 hours, 48 hours, is the government of dubai saying to all its little children subsidiaries we're not going to bail you out. we're not going to provide the money you need. >> so, richard, in the grand scheme of things here, the dubai mess, and it's a mess, isn't this really just the financial blip that -- let's be honest here. we're making a huge deal of it because we're in the holiday slow news cycle and if it's more than that, explain it to me. >> no. no. no. no. once again you managed to go off, tony. the markets in asia, europe and the united states have been looking for a reason to correct. we've seen that. we've seen it. there's been an unease that something had to give. dubai had given it that reason
to correct. we saw one day of falls in europe and today europe is flat or just up a tad. what it does mean and where this is serious is for dubai. this is a thumping great big reputational crisis for dubai which they will have to deal with. what it did, let me just very briefly say that what it did was it said on the eve been a holiday, hey, guys, we won't pay debts of $60 odd billion. we want to extend that. we would like you to take a debt moratorium for six months and we'll see you next week. that you cannot do if you have aspirations to be a world class financial center. >> wait a minute here, richard. what about abu dhabi, the capital of the uae, could dubai's problems be abu dhabi's problem soon? >> the relationship between the two is fundamentally
fascinating. what worrying about the way this incident was handled is we have been led to believe that abu dhabi would bail them out again. they were going to pay the bills. they were going to take the teenager's credit card, rip it up, but still pay off the debt. this has been leading markets. when they didn't do this, that's when we got this hiccup and storm in the tea cup. i have little doubt whether it is abu dhabi, saudi arabia, or whichever other gulf country comes to the rescue, they will not let dubai go under. the amount of shame and embarrassment that would cause would be so huge. that's why people are saying this isn't lehman brothers all over again. you and i are not going to find our atms stopped working. this is a nasty gulf
reputational issue. >> happy holidays. >> and to you. we have much to be thankful for. >> we do. great point. investors in the united states aren't so pleased with what they're hearing either. stocks on wall street followed the lead of asian markets. look, we expected a sell-off but stocks have rebounded a bit and are now off session lows. >> reporter: they have. they are off session lows. i tell you what, the day after thanksgiving is typically a slow one on wall street where all we talk about is shopping on black friday. not the case. much like world markets we are seeing a sharp sell-off here at the nyse. dow down in triple digits. investors not happy with what they hear out of dubai. it is a big shock to confidence on wall street especially if you consider that the market has really been able to shrug off any negative news we've gotten over the last few weeks.
despite current sell-off, one analyst tells cnn.com that dubai's world impact is not that huge but good to have a wake-up call that there is a certain level of risk involved in any investment. a good lesson to all of us who have investments. let's take a check on numbers now. dow industrials down 138 points. the nasdaq off about 26. we have just 90 minutes left in trading day. market closes at 1:00 p.m. eastern time for a shortened session today. tony? >> just how big a blow is this dubai issue? does it have potential to impact the u.s. recovery? >> we could see more reaction to come in the next couple days and analysts say that it could take a couple days for the u.s. market to digest this dubai debacle. >> good to see you. thank you. eat too much turkey and fixings yesterday? don't worry. we have just what you need to
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considered herself obese. >> i battled weight but never thought it was a significant amount of weight. maybe, 5, 10. >> when a neighbor mistakenly called her pregnant, she immediately decided to join weight watchers and became a lifetime member. now 31 pounds lighter and a meeting leader herself, rosemary and the entire weight watcher family is giving back in a meaningful but ironic way. >> if you have lost a pound, you bring in a pound of food to symbolize that weight loss. what we do in turn is turn it over to city harvest which in turn donates to the 10 or 12 groups in our local area. >> reporter: lose for good campaign as it's being called is now in the second year and delivering some remarkable results. >> this year in seven weeks members have lost over 400 million pounds of weight. they've contributed over 2 million pounds of food. >> reporter: an astounding amount of food but for rosemary it just makes sense.
>> we have opposite ends of the same rainbow. we're dealing with obesity and these people are dealing with how will i pull a meal together with what i have in the cabinets. >> reporter: for organizations receiving the food, it's a welcome helping hand in a difficult economy. >> we can pick it up in the morning and on someone's table this evening so really that's an immediate result and we can't ask for anything better during this time. >> reporter: dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. killings at the canal army tapes coming up exclusive investigation into the deaths of four iraqi detainees and three u.s. soldiers who were charged with the murders. it's a story you'll see only on cnn. i love winter.
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disclosed nuclear facility. a government official in the philippines tells cnn 100 more suspects including police officers could face arrest in the killings of 57 unarmed civilians. the alleged architect of monday's massacre was charged today. officials suspect the murders were politically motivated. it's a story about what can happen in war and the difficult decisions soldiers are forced to make every single day. it's about three decorated army sergeants who killed four iraqis execution style on the battlefield. they were convicted of premeditated murder. they are all serving long sentences at ft. leavenworth but as you see in war nothing is cut and dry and opinions vary widely on what the soldiers did, why they did it and whether the price they're paying for it is fair. you'll have a chance to decide for yourself. was this a case of battlefield justice or cold blooded murder? cnn exclusively obtained 23 1/2 hours of army interrogation
videotapes with a confession and details of the killings. here's abbie boudreau of our special investigations unit with part one of our report, killings at the canal, the army tapes. >> reporter: the army does not want you to see this. hours and hours of videotape obtained by cnn you'll see how army interrogators carefully coax out a confession. the tapes part of the case that convicted three army sergeants of murder on the battlefield. private first class joshua heartson was there that day. he was not charged with the crime. the army only prosecutored the three sergeants for murder though he believes their actions were justified. >> nobody knows what we've all been through. watching people die.
i think people should show respect to these guys to anybody that serves over there. just they are american heros. and nobody will ever understand it unless they've been there with them. >> reporter: this is the canal in baghdad where it all happened. nine months later this is part of sergeant leahy's confession. it was march 2007 in iraq. first sergeant john hadly was the trusted leader of alpha company 118. his third combat deployment. on this particular day sergeant
first class joseph mayo and sergeant michael leahy, both now 28, were helping lead what began as a routine mission. >> clear sky. no clouds. sun was right on top of everybody. >> reporter: joshua hartson was 19 when he served under hadly who he considered a father figure. that day he says they were on patrol when someone started shooting at them. that's when they found four suspects, four iraqi men. nearby they found a small cache of weapons. >> there were rifles, machine guns, aka-47s, night vision goggles, duffel bags filled with ammunition. >> reporter: did you think these were the men firing upon you? >> yes. >> reporter: by all accounts the soldiers blindfolded the iraqis. zip tied their hands and loaded them into the back of a bradley fighting vehicle. it was just you and them. >> yes.
>> reporter: did any of them speak english? >> one on my right did. >> reporter: did you try talking to him? >> i talked to him. >> reporter: what did he say? >> i asked him if he killed americans, made bombs and he laughed about the questions. >> what did that tell you? >> yeah, he did. apparently it's funny. he enjoys it. >> reporter: the army has a strict policy on detainees. at the time the rules called for soldiers to drop off detainees at the detainee housing area but that didn't happen. my first sergeant comes up to me and pulls me away from everybody and asked me if we take them to the detainee facility, they'll be right back on the streets doing the same thing in a matter of weeks. he asked if i had a problem if we took care of them and i told him no. >> reporter: what did he mean by that? >> to kill him. >> reporter: how could you be okay with that? >> they were bad guys. if we would have let them go or take them in we risk the chance
of them getting out and killing us, killing other people. >> reporter: so in a convoy of three vehicles, 13 soldiers holding four iraqi detainees headed down this dusty road leading to the canal. first sergeant john hatly was in charge. at the edge of this canal the soldiers lined up men in their custody. the three leaders put their 9 millimeters pistols at the back of the detainees heads and shot and killed them. they left their bodies in the canal. a year later divers could not find the bodies. for nine months the soldiers kept the murders a secret. but in time the truth came out. earlier this year first sergeant hatly, first class mayo and sergeant leahy would be convicted of premeditated murder and conspiracy to commit
premeditated murder. all three are in prison at ft. leavenworth. this is part of sergeant michael leahy's taped confession. the tapes also show the army knew this could become a pr nightmare. >> reporter: the murders at the canal also shine a light on that army policy on what to do with detainees. some say it led to the murders. months after the convictions, private first class joshua
hartson left the army still confident they did the right thing but haunted by what happened. >> family doesn't really know about it. i would like to explain to them why it happened but nobody can understand unless you were actually there. >> reporter: do you think your mom or dad know about this? >> my dad served in vietnam. i'm sure he experienced his own stuff. when everything first started happening was a week after, maybe a week or two weeks after he passed away. that's when i was first approached for it. it would have been nice to have him to fall back on but -- >> reporter: the support. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: he would have understood? >> he would have. >> wow. our special investigation into
the killings at the canal continues. coming up, a soldier convicted of murder. you'll hear why and how he and two other army sergeants gunned down four iraqi detainees in baghdad. the victims shot execution style. and here's what we're working on for the next hour of "cnn newsroom." we'll break down the global impact of dubai's debt problems and we'll take a look at where things stand with iran after the head of the u.n. nuclear agency says efforts to determine if tehran's nuclear program is peaceful are at a dead end. stay with us. [ male announcer ] the day you give someone a lexus is just the first of many memories you'll make with it. [ squeals ] ♪ [ tires screech ] [ tires screech ] ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event, with some of the best values of the year. special lease offers now available on the 2010 es 350.
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convicted of murder in his own words. you will hear why and how he and two other army sergeants gunned down four iraqi detainees in baghdad, the victims shot execution style. the americans charged with the crime have all been found guilty, but some believe they should be praised, not punish. as our special report continues, we will let you be the judge. cnn exclusively obtained the 23 1/2 hours of interrogation tapes, which include the confession you are about to see for the first time, and only on cnn. was it murder, or was it justice? here is abbie boudreau of our special investigation's unit with "killings at the canal, the army tapes." >> reporter: you're watching an interrogation. >> i'm not sure that is what happened. >> reporter: it would take hours and yield a chilling murder confession. in time, three u.s. army sergeants, including this man, sergeant michael leahy, would be found guilty of premeditated murder in iraq. >> he fired two shots, and we
shot them. how did you feel at that point in time? >> scared. he saved my life. i made a huge mistake in my life that i know i have to accept the consequences for it. >> reporter: he married jamie in his hasty deployments between iraq, but they wanted a traditional ceremony and set a date. jamie bought a dress. oh, wow, do you love it? >> i do. it was the most beautiful thing i had seen and it just looked wonderful on. >> reporter: did you ever have the ceremony and the reception yet? >> we haven't yet. because our plans were in february 2008. so -- but the investigation started in january. so --
>> reporter: as the investigation broadened, more and more men were interviewed. this man never charged. interrogators knew the murders would grow into a scandal. >> i don't know about you, but i wasn't at abu ghraib. but i can tell you half the time i'm walking down the streets, that's what people think when they're looking at us. oh, there's the damn americans that abused those poor prisoners. the frat boys will be calling it and that crap. but it's what the media made of it. what the hell you think they're going to make of this? this is going to be ugly. because it is. >> reporter: and this is how it all emerged. a pa toon was on patrol. someone in this neighborhood was shooting at them.
they took four suspects into custody. and instead of following army rules for detainees, 13 of the soldiers brought them to this canal, three of them, three sergeants, then executed them. for months, the killings at the canal were a secret. then one of the 13 talked. the investigation began. at this point in the interrogation, leahy had already admitted he murdered one detainee. but listen closely. he also admits he shot two times.
>> reporter: the interrogator pushes. something isn't right. remember, four iraqis were murdered, so what really happened if leahy shot twice? >> no reasonable person is going to believe that you shot and then fell back on you and your arm went at this angle. if you shot this dude, just say you shot him. just be honest about it, okay? >> he did fall on my arm. >> i don't doubt that the guy fell on you, but if you purposely shot this guy, mike, just say it. you've already manned up. you've already shown us what you're made of. i know it's hard. but -- i know that's what happened, dude. you weren't have so much question in your mind right now if you didn't know what happened. and i know it's hard. >> you're right. and it -- >> just tell us. >> i'm, like, 80% sure i turned and shot this guy, but i'm not sure. >> reporter: why would he admit to one murder and be unsure if he shot a second man as well?
was he hiding something? trying to protect someone? >> you're not a killer. you are not a [ bleep ]'ing murderer. you are acting way out of character and shot somebody. something that you would have never, ever done. it's something you'll never do again, and you would have never done it without that influence. that's something that's extraordinary in your life. it's something that will never happen again. >> i say, yeah, i shot. i shot the other guy, okay? >> all right, well, talk to me about exactly how it happened. what you remember. >> i shot. the guy did fall and i did turn and the other guy was right there in front of me and i shot again, and that guy, he didn't -- that guy didn't die right away. the guy fell down and he was still -- i don't want to say crying. he was making noises. >> gurgling? >> and i hate to point other
fingers, but later on, later on, the first sergeant came and shot that guy in the chest. now, that's what i know about the situation. >> reporter: leahy is actually saying he shot a second detai e detainee, but the man did not die. laically was tryi ining not to reveal that the sergeant shot him in the chest. did you think your husband was capable of killing like this? >> no, i don't. that's why i'm trying to understand what was going on in his head. what was going on around him. that could bring him to something, a situation like that. >> reporter: her husband, sergeant michael leahy, and first sergeant john hatley, were sentenced to life in prison. sergeant first class joseph mayo pleaded guilty and got 35 years. earlier this year, all three were granted clemency, their sentences reduced. michael leahy is now serving a 20-year sentence at ft.
leavenworth. >> what do you want people to know? >> reporte >> that michael is a good person. that he has done a lot of good, he will continue to do a lot of good, no matter what happens to him in this life. >> three decorated sergeants convicted of murder on the battlefield. in the next hour of "cnn newsroom," meet the one soldier who revealed their secret. listen to his explanation, and then decide for yourself. did he do the right thing? if you want to see more on this special report or others like it, just go to cnn.com/specials. time now for your "top of the hour" reset. i'm tony harris in the "cnn newsroom." it is 9:00 p.m. in dubai, where a cash-flow problem for the gulf emirates is rattling stock markets around the globe. it is 8:00 in the evening in tehran, where a u.n. nuclear agency scolds iran for what it calls nuclear stonewalling. it is noon on the u.s. east coast and 9:00 on the west where
shoppers coast to coast are going gangbusters this black friday. let's do this. let's get started. let's begin with the debt crisis in dubai and its impact on global stock markets. stocks sank in asia but mostly recovered in europe after dubai told creditors it needed a six-month postponement on debt payments. investors fear massive losses across the financial industry if dubai defaults. what are the chances of that? dubai is one of seven persian gulf states that make up the united arab emirates. the city has boomed transforming -- we're talking about the desert -- into a sea of skyscrapers. more dependent on tourism than oil. let's talk about the dubai crisis with ali velshi with me in atlanta and richard quest in london. richard, let's start with you here. what's causing so much trouble for dubai? >> too much debt and an inability to pay it back when it should be paid. they borrowed a huge amount of
money, and although they are backed by some very big oil-rich parts of the region, they simply didn't have the cash to pay back the money when it was necessary. i think you need to understand here, tony, that this is not a global banking crisis. this is not going to take us all down with them. this is not round three of -- of lehman brothers and onward. this is a specific problem affecting dubai that has set off a round of nerves in the rest of the world. those nerves are slowly being soothed. it's been a nasty hiccup, but ultimately, it's not going to go much deeper than that. >> but, wait a minute here, ali. we've watched the asian markets tank. and, okay, so europe is rebounding a bit, and i guess we're off of session lows for the u.s. stock market. >> we were down 300 points on the dow and we're down 125 or so. >> what do you make of this? >> i think richard is entirely right. what you'll hear us saying through the course of the day
all of the same stuff, but both of pulled back from the briching, because the lesson that we learned as financial journalists, no one wants to say this is nothing. it is not a ton. it is -- it is a regional issue. what's happened is if you look at -- if you haven't been to dubai, part of the story's if you've ever been to dubai or you've seen pictures of dubai or abu dhabi, the construction boom, it's a disney, las vegas, phoenix, put it all together and you have buildings and massive infrastructure, all of this stuff, including growth in china and india, all of this stuff at sop point has to dial back and we are seeing the dialing-back of dubai, but we have memories of not being able to make payments and the influence that has on the world financial structure. and we are a little nervous, as richard says. markets have been surging along. we're hoping we're out of this recession and then to find out somebody can't pay its bills, makes everybody nervous. >> richard, the dubai miracle built on shifting sand, and the latest example of greed run amok! in all -- you can't get -- you can't get $100,000 to keep your
popcorn business going in chicago, but you want -- you want billions to build, what, ski slopes in the desert, we can make that ham for you, richard? >> do calm yourself. it isn't good for a man of your age. it's like me getting quite upset. look, of course, there is an element of stupidity about it. they've built -- they've got a ski slope in the middle of -- an indoor ski slope in the middle of the desert. they have built massive infrastructure projects when there is no real, fundamental industrial or other economic growth underpinning it. so, yes, but what has happened is that they have really -- there's been a coming home -- the chickens have come home to roost. >> oh, yeah. >> however -- however -- abu dhabi, saudi arabia, other big, oil-rich, gulf nations will ultimately stand behind them in some shame or form. and i suspect it will be sooner
rather than later. for dubai, to put it in boxing terms, it's had a bloody nose from what's taken place over the next 48 hours. >> but it's not going to be a knockout. >> do you buy this that abu dhabi will step in and save dubai? >> yep. but it's a complicated relationship between the two states. they're all part of the uae. everybody thought they would have already stepped in, they didn't. i think you will see it developing more next week. >> developing next week. what will happen with u.s. stocks, it's friday? >> most traders didn't go back to work today to start with, anything you have thin trading, everything gets exaggerated. if the dow were down 30 points today, you might see a dow down 125 points. if it would have been up, it would have been up more. don't worry what happens on a holiday friday here and combined with the fact that middle eastern market are all closed because it's eids in the middle east. >> richard, appreciate you,
seeing new london, happy holidays to you. and ali, you're filling in for mr. sanchez here? >> i am. >> see you a little later. let's get into black friday in full swing, right now coast to coast. stores are luring shoppers with deep, deep counts this season, hoping to rebound a bit after last year's disappointing sales. the national retail federation predicts more than a third of the country will shop this weekend. many retailers' profits, even survival, may depend on how much you spend this holiday season. new fallout to tell you about from a fatal air strike ordered by german forces in afghanistan. the former german defense minister and current labor minister resigning today over the incident. yesterday the army's chief of staff stepped down. the september attack in the northern kunduz killed 90 people, mostly civilians. nato secretary-general willing to increase its troop numbers in afghanistan.
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a soldier turned witness breaking his silence and revealing the secret that would lead to murder charges against three army sergeants. but did he do it to see justice served or out of self-interest? we will let you decide in an exclusive interview you will only see here, and it goes to the heart of our continuing
report in to the execution-style shootings of four iraqi detainees in baghdad. the defendants, decorated servicemen, have all been found guilty of the crime, and what their fellow soldier said may have sealed their fate. here is abbie boudreau of your special investigation's unit with "killings at the canal, the army tapes." >> reporter: you are watching a murder confession. this is the story of how, after nine months of silence, a dark secret came to light. >> reporter: slowly, the facts would begin to emerge. 13 soldiers were on the mission that day. they had taken four iraqi men into custody and brought them to this canal.
in time, investigators would learn three of the soldiers, three sergeants, killed them. this is sergeant michael leahy. >> reporter: it happened at this canal in baghdad in march 2007. but what exactly happened? and why? all 13 soldiers would be questioned. this soldier never charged, but all would be pushed to break down the bond of this band of brothers to get to the truth.
>> reporter: this man, jess cunningham, was also there. he was the first to reveal the secret. >> i did the right thing. and i'm not going to hide behind excuses. i'm not going to hide behind false brotherhood. >> reporter: but the former sergeant did not speak up for nine months. why didn't you report it right away? >> fear. >> reporter: fear of what? >> retaliation. fear of being alone. fear of being the only one that had a problem with it. fear of so many things could have happened to me. >> reporter: cunningham insists he finally spoke up because it was the right thing to do. and in time, that would lead to first sergeant john hatley, the sergeant in charge that day. earlier this year, hatley was convicted of premeditated murder and conspiracy to commit
premeditated murder. this man, david court, is hatley's attorney. >> sergeant cunningham did not come forward for any altruistic motive. he only mentioned it because he thought it would get him less punishment. he didn't do it because he thought i've got to blow the whistle. >> reporter: remember, cunningham waited nine months before coming forward. he was out of iraq and back on his base in germany. cunningham was facing disciplinary charges for assaulting sergeant michael leahy and for being disrespectful to another officer. that's when he told his own lawyer about the killings at the canal. you can see why some people might say, well, the only reason you came forward was because you didn't want to get yourself in trouble. you wanted to get out of that situation. >> no, that's not the case. i don't really care what other people think about me. i don't worry. i'm not going to lose any sleep. i did the right thing. i did the right thing that day. >> sergeant cunningham is making
himself look better than he was. it's a common human trait, but i'm not going to let it affect the image of john hatley. because john hatley did not force anyone to go to the canal. >> reporter: so, what are the facts? what was the motive? only weeks before the incident their unit, alpha company, lost two soldiers. one died when an ied exploded, a sniper killed the other. cunningham said the losses devastated first sergeant john hatley, who led the men that night. hatley believed the rules for detaining suspects were flawed. he feared the iraqis they'd taken into custody would be released, only to return and try to kill u.s. soldiers. >> i believe he knew right from wrong, and i don't have respect for him. >> reporter: you don't have respect for him? >> no, i don't. >> reporter: cunningham is no longer in the army.
he received immunity for testifying. >> i would -- if i were sergeant cunningham -- not be comfortable in a combat environment. >> reporter: why do you say that? >> i'd be worried about having broken the band, the brothers' band, something might happen to me. >> reporter: as the investigation unfolded, interrogators prepared for a public relations nightmare. >> we've got a hell of a lot of pretty damn concerned high-level people that are beyond my pay grade that are grabbing their ankles about what's bound to be an ugly damn mess, if it becomes a big drawn-out, public knife fight. >> uh-huh. >> when does a soldier cross the line from engaging the enemy to committing murder? we are taking a close look at that question, straight ahead. as we're offering. i've got some catchphrases that'll make these savings even more memorable. gecko: all right...
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let's get you caught up on our top stories now. concern over dubai's ability to pay its bills is driving stocks down today. asian markets fell 2% to 4%. dubai told creditors it needs a six-month reprieve on $60 billion worth of debt payments. investors are worried a possible default could spur more massive bank losses. a new study has sobering numbers on diabetes. a university of chicago report predicts the number of americans living with the disease will nearly double, topping $44 million by 2034 and the cost of treating them will triple to more than $330 billion. and take a look at this, shuttle "atlantis" coming in for a landing at kennedy space center in florida. mission control called it a picture-perfect end to the crew's 11-day supply mission to
the international space station. another check of your top stories in 20 minutes. chances are you've seen the art of ernie barnes and didn't even realize it, it's what we're talking about in our "what matters." barnes was a former pro football player, turned artist, who died in april. his distinctive style earned him fans from all walks of life and his art was even featured on the sitcom "good times." fredricka whitfield has the story of the most incredible artist you've never heard of. ♪ good times ♪ good times >> reporter: it is this painting that was perhaps america's first glimpse of the work of ernest eugene barnes jr. featured in the cbs show "good times." a piece of art called sugar shack. ♪ the same painting graces the cover of the legendary singer
marvin gaye's "i want you" album. that was in 1976, and the demand for his work blossomed. that's former abc "good morning america" anchor ernie hatman. >> we met 40 years ago in los angeles, and i was mesmerized by a painting i saw, which i couldn't afford. and kept thinking about it all night. went back the next day and tried to buy it. and he happened to be standing there. i didn't know he was the artist, and he said, well, i'm sorry, that painting is sold. and i was heartbroken. because i wanted that painting. and he said, well, would you like me to paint you another one sort of like it? and i thought, oh, my goodness, you're mr. barnes. so, that began our friendship over the last 40 years. >> reporter: barnes, whose specialty was colorful, elongated human figures, would become known internationally for two types of paintings. sports images and scenes from black america.
both inspired by his own history. he explained in a 1990 cnn interview. >> we all have one thing, the image of the ghetto, as bringing only crime, filth, and illiterates, and there are people who live in deprived circumstances who have ambitions and dreams, and they have taken the worst of times and transforming them into the best of times. >> look, i don't know anything about art. i just know that when i look at his paintings, i get it. >> reporter: it is that gift to reach people, says "good times" creator norman leer, that inspired him to use the artist's work in the hit show. >> there aren't that many artists who catch motion, who make snapshots of life. and barnes is one of those people. >> reporter: the desire to paint sports images came from barnes' days as a college and professional football player.
six years as an offensive lineman in the old american football league. an artist, he said, trapped in an athlete's body. >> i know that that was something i had to do in order to get to where i am now. >> reporter: 35-year-old artist richards said it was barnes who inspired him to paint. >> ernie tried to show the world, and show, you know, what was going on in the world, and i kind of do the same thing with, you know, a slight different technique and things. but he want -- he shows the soul of humanity. and i wanted to the same. >> reporter: that comes as no surprise to north carolina central chancellor charlie nelm. >> he considers himself more of a teacher than an artist, but he taught through his art. and he was able to touch the spirit and the soul of people through his art without using words. he was able to do it through images, and i think that's what made him a professional and an artist. >> reporter: six months after barnes' passing, his alma mater
held a memorial. barnes would become one of the most respected artists of his generation. his accomplishments, too numerous to mention here. more album covers, art shows, hosted by the rich and famous, spanning generations. like eth kennedy, congressman jack kemp, representative john conyers, donna brazile and actor charlton heston. and in 1984 barnes was appointed the official sports artist for the olympic games in los angeles. later, the 1987 basketball champion los angeles lakers would commission him to paint a piece called "fast break." the family of actor will smith wanted this oil of his two sons, and the list goes on. >> ernie barnes' work crossed all racial, society, educational levels. it appeals to everyone. >> reporter: luz rodriguez his personal assistant for 21 years
said all barnes wanted to do was inspire us all, like he did with artist akili richards, who specializes in digital airbru airbrushing, a process not available when barnes became an artist, but if it were -- >> it would be breathtaking. this is the use of the human form. it just says a lot. he has a painting called "victory in overtime" a photo -- or it's a picture of an overtime of a football game, and without showing any faces, you can tell the emotions on the different players' faces -- bodies by using the body's movement instead of necessarily seeing their faces. so, you know, he knew how to use the body magnificently. >> reporter: that another barnes trademark. most of his characters cannot see. >> i tend to paint everyone, most everyone, with the -- their eyes closed, because i feel that we're blind to one another's humanity.
so, if we could see the gift, strength and potentials within every human being, then our eyes would be opened. >> reporter: ernie barnes, an artist who used blindness to help us all see. fredricka whitfield, cnn. ♪ >> we should tell you there is a new exhibit featuring the last works of ernie barnes in the planning stages right now. organizers tell us it will be called "liberating humanity from within." for more you can go to erniebarnes.com. the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog is sending a strong warning to iran about this recently disclosed facility. will words be enough? welcome to our mcdonald's. yours? really?
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through international markets and leading to a fairly steep selloff globally. let's take a look at the numbers. the new york stock exchange in about the last half hour of the trading day, trading wrapping up early today, at 1:00 p.m. eastern time, as you can see, the dow is down 136 points, stabilizing in that range, certainly off of session lows. and the nasdaq at last check was down 33 points. a strongly worded warning to iran, the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog agency told the country to suspend construction of its once-secret nuclear facility. cnn's senior international correspondent, matthew chance, is in moscow for us. and, matthew, if you would, what are the specific concerns being voiced now by the u.n.'s nuclear watchdogs? >> reporter: well, tony, they've got a whole range of concerns that they've set down in a resolution that's been backed by two-thirds of the countries that take part in the u.n.'s nuclear watchdog agency, the iaea in vienna. first and foremost, that
secretly developed nuclear site that the iranians only declared to the international community and the u.n. back in september, it's located near the shia holy city. it's there to develop enriched uranium, and there are a great deal of questions it poses. it says -- the iaea says it doesn't do much to build international confidence in the idea that iran has fully disclosed all of its nuclear program, the report says, it raises questions about whether there are more nuclear sites that iran hasn't told anybody about across the country as well. and so a very critical report that has been backed not just by countries that have traditionally been critical of iran's controversial nuclear program, but also by countries like russia and china as well that have in the past provided some diplomatic support to iran over the issue, tony. >> well, matthew, mohamed elbaradei, as you know, who heads up the iaea, has been considered a bit soft on iran. now that he is leaving, are
things likely to change? >> reporter: it's not clear what the attitude of his successor, mr. amano, a veteran japanese diplomat, will be, but certainly this resolution in the words of -- or in the minds of perhaps governments like the united states and britain, who have been pushing for tougher sanctions against iran, they'll be encouraged by this resolution, because it does have the backing, as i mentioned, of russia and china. they'll be going to the u.n. security council in the new year. and if iran doesn't conform to its international obligations, they will be looking for tougher sanctions against the islamic republic. washington has already made it clear that's its intention, tony? >> already, cnn's matthew chance for us in moscow. matthew, thank you. let's try to get some more answers on the iran situation. joining me live from washington is the deputy director of the nonproliferation program at the carnegie endowment for international peace. and dede, good to see you.
thanks for your time. what will it take -- i want to cut to the chase here -- to get iran to suspend construction at the qom facility? >> well, i think that today's resolution from the iaea is a first step in trying to get to that, to that end game. and what that resolution did is that it sent a very strong signal to the iranians that the support that it has counted on in the past from states like china and russia and even from the nonaligned movement is no longer there. and what that really means is that the strategic context in which iran has been operating and trying to play negotiating games has really dramatically changed. so, it's -- >> do you really believe that? do you really believe this report, this censure, this scolding, is a game-changer? >> i -- i think it's very important. one of the -- one of the real issues that's happening in the broader nonproliferation regime is states are concerned that the system of rules are not working as well as they should.
so, this action by the iaea where iran is being called out for a major rule-breaking is an important signal, and that gives space to other countries, particularly iran's neighbor, that the rules can work. so, one step that's happened which is important is that the rule-breaking has been called out. >> right. >> now, whether there are consequences such as sanctions or things like that, you know, that's a separate question. >> why did iran back away from the qom reactor deal earlier this month? >> yeah, you mean the low-enriched uranium deal, right? >> exactly. >> i think that iran is encountering a lot of domestic disarray, and even though they should say yes, it is a great deal for them, they are just unable to say yes, yet. however, the signal that's sent to them where they don't have the coverve russia and china anymore, you know, we're hoping that those leaders and the regime will wake up. and in the meantime, if they don't, i think they're giving further fodder to the iranian people that the decisions of this regime, which are already in question after the june 12th
elections, you know, that they're just further delegitimizing themselves. >> yeah, matthew chance mentioned it just a moment ago. senior administration officials certainly are telling us now that the united states is prepared to push for significantly stronger sanctions on iran. what is your view of sanctions? will tougher sanctions work? >> right. and here it's important to remember that in all the debate about sanctions, the real purpose of it is to raise the costs of iran not talking and not negotiating. so, sanctions are a means to an end, and that end is to get them to the table. you know, i think what the hope is right now is that the threat of being called out, that their reputational costs to iran will get them to reconsider, accept the leu deal and really engage the major powers. >> how about the threat of a military strike on the qom facility? >> here the israelis have said they will hold off until the end of the year, and if the israelis
are doing is trying to raise the cost of iran, that's one thing, but i think we have to be honest and recognize that there is no military solution to this problem, and we need all the nations of the world who are engaged in this to do their best to get iran to the table. >> all right, great to see you. come on back and see us again on this issue. >> thank you. things may be heating up on the legal front for that couple accused of crashing a white house state dinner.
and let's get you caught up on our top stories now. the secret service now considering a possible criminal investigation of the virginia couple who crashed a white house state dinner. a spokesman says that's one reason why they haven't given details of what happened when the wannabe reality stars reached the security checkpoint. concern over dubais ability to pay its bills is driving stocks down today. asia markets fell 2% to 4%. dubai told creditors -- listen to this -- it needs a six-month reprieve on $60 billion worth of debt payments. investors are worried a possible
default could spur more massive bank losses. and space shuttle "atlantis" touching down this morning at florida's kennedy space center, and chad myers, look at this, mission control called it a picture-perfect end to the crew's 11-day mission to resupply the international space station. there was an earlier shot, i don't know if we saw it, chad, where the shuttle was coming in -- >> yeah. >> -- on final approach over what looked like maybe some wetlands. it was -- it was absolutely beautiful. the shot was great, and the landing, the touchdown. >> oh, yeah. >> was perfect. nice way to end it, huh? >> that whole area all the way from new smyrna, all the way down to melbourne is spectacular. and, you know, the water fowl, just really just great stuff down there. >> it was a terrific sight. it really was. >> and, you know, they're always on final approach, though, tony, they don't get a second one. >> and do you know what was interesting, someone was tell
telling me that it looked very smooth on television, but this thing is literally dropping out of the sky! >> it's like landing a plane on the deck of a carrier. >> yeah. >> it's that type of downward motion. >> that's terrific. >> let's hope none of the planes in the air today have to take that kind of landing. 5,100 planes in the sky right now, tony. yesterday, a few fewer than that, but wednesday at this time of the day, there were 6,800 planes in the sky. so, 1,700 fewer planes flying around right now. that means that the planes are probably doing a little bit better on timing. and, in fact, there's not one single airport delay to talk of. even in boston and new york, where you would think there might be a delay or two because of the wind, do you know what, tony -- >> yeah. >> -- don't the retailers always find something to complain about? >> yes, absolutely. >> it's too wet. >> yes. >> it was too cold. it was too warm. well, you know, obviously they've got something now. on the busiest day, it's raining in boston. it's windy in new york, oh, no. but isn't that -- don't they complain when it's too warm because nobody's buying coats?
you wonder where they come up with this stuff sometimes, don't you? >> no wonder. >> i hope you are out there and shopping and spending your money and all the retailers are doing really good out there as well. if you are going to be out there out and about today, make sure you have an umbrella for the northeast. but other than that the east coast is going to be just spectacular for the next few days. look at that at 1:00 tony. >> you're awesome. see you then, chad. >> see you then, buddy. .. ...no matter where you live. plus get free shipping on over 3,000 other prescriptions. call 1-800-2-refill for your free home delivery. save money. live better. walmart.
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when does a soldier cross the line from engaging the enemy to committing murder? we are taking a close look at that question with our continuing investigation in to the deaths of four iraqi detainees. gunned down by three army sergeants who have all been convicted of the crime. we went straight to the top for answers, talking to the general who oversees the treatment of detainees in iraq. here is abbie boudreau of our special investigation's unit with "killings at the canal, the army tapes."
>> reporter: this is the u.s. army interrogator trying to coax out the truth about four murders in baghdad. here, he's empathizing with first sergeant john hatley. he says he understands why hatley, and two other sergeants, murdered four iraqis, whom they had detained. >> i have no doubt in my mind, no doubt in my military mind whatsoever, that those guys were the problem, and frankly, i have no doubt in my mind that they're insurgents and they're shooting at our guys. i'm perfectly comfortable with giving them lead poisoning before they shoot any more of our guys up. >> reporter: they he never confessed, first sergeant john hatley, and two other sergeants, would be convicted of premeditated murder. their unit found four iraqi men they thought were shooting at them, they detained them. but rather than following military rules for detainees, they took them to this canal, and killed them, execution style. the interrogator said he
understood the motive. they were tired of detaining people only to have them released and shooting at them again. >> you guys suffered some losses, and one's never good and a bunch is that much worse. and -- and what i'm pretty damn confident that i know from all the guys we talked to, and we're going to hear from all the rest, is that at that time you all came up with -- you all recognized, we didn't catch these guys with the smoking gun in their hands, and we're going to end up cutting these [ bleep ] loose, and they'll be shooting our guys tomorrow like they're [ bleep ] pop-up ducks and arcade games. >> reporter: cutting the suspects loose only so they might be freed to shoot at soldiers again. at the time of the murders soldiers were order to handle detainees by the rules from this memo. the memo was drafted after the
response to the abu ghraib. >> we would bring a detainee to our facility and we would take them in, with little or nothing. >> reporter: the memo said that soldiers could no longer detain suspected insurgents simply because they were seen as a threat. they needed photos of physical evidence. photos of the detainee at the crime scene. and of the detainee next to the evidence. the memo also called for physical evidence. soldiers had to bring in illegal rifles or ied-making materials, and they needed a sketch of the crime scene, indicating place of capture and location of weapons, explosives, or munitions. the memo also required soldiers to gather statements written by eyewitnesss to the criminal activity. in other words, the burden of proof to hold detainees was high. you've said yourself, general, that there were many military operations where the focus was
not on evidence gathering. so, what happened in those cases? >> well, in most cases, if we don't have anything, they eventually are released. >> reporter: more than 87,000 detainees were captured during the war in iraq. quantock says the majority of them, nearly 77,000, were released for lack of evidence. >> we're asking them to take basic evidence, which they've been trained to do. again, we've got the greatest soldiers in the world, and i don't accept that that they can't take basic evidence off of a -- off of a crime scene. >> reporter: general, though, if it's so easy to collect this basic type of evidence, then why were so many detainees let out because of lack of evidence? >> well, i mean, it took us a while. i mean, it took us a while to realize. i mean, it goes back to my point about, you know, we were -- we're -- we're trying to make the fight fit the army as opposed to have the army fit the fight. and it took us a while to get after that piece about collecting evidence. i think a lot of times we
thought the insurgency two dissipate. we were working closely with the government of iraq. we were trying to improve the iraqi security forces. but at the end of the day, it didn't work out very well. we had to get better at taking evidence off the crime scene. >> reporter: as for the frustrations that caused some soldiers, this is sergeant michael leahy. of the three sergeants convicted of murdering the four iraqi detainees, only he confessed on tape. >> reporter: this is sergeant leahy's attorney, frank spinner. >> as it was, they had to take off their soldier helmet, put on their cop hat, take them to a civilian sort of police station, and show evidence that these were people that were shooting at them. and if there wasn't enough evidence, then they were going
to be released on the street. and -- but soldiers aren't trained to be cops, and they're not trained to collect evidence, and they're not trained in the ways of civilian criminal prosecution. >> reporter: a point even quantock concedes when pressed. you've talked quite a bit about this training that soldiers have received. we've talked to many, many soldiers who say that the only kind of training that they would get would be, you know, a 15-minute powerpoint presentation back in the states before they would go out on a -- out on a battlefield. >> yeah, that's exactly right. we don't give them extensive training. we are not trying to teach policemen, but we are trying to teach them enough, whether it's eyewitness statements, whether it's taking photographs, all of those can be used in a -- in a trial. however, we got to catch somebody doing something wrong. we've got to find evidence. >> reporter: once again, sergeant michael leahy.
>> reporter: with all due respect, general, what is the point of having soldiers in iraq fighting this type of war if they can't take alleged insurgents off the streets? >> you know, as we look at iraq, we look at iraq as a long-term strategic partner of the united states. the sacrifice is well worth it. what we're trying to do is build capacity and capability, for not only the iraqi forces, the police, the iraqi army, but also stand up the rule of law. to work better on pain than n tylenol 8-hour. so why am i still thinking about this? - how are you? - good, how are you? aleve. proven better on pain.
jam-packed stores have many retailers hopeful they'll be solidly in the black, but what do the next few months really hold for their bottom line? cnn international business correspondent maggie lake takes a look. >> we were here about six months ago in this very spot on fifth avenue, and you were telling me that we were in the throes of a retail depression. where does the sector stand now? >> right now, maggie, we're in a 1,000-day retail recession. there are 300 days left, and it's diskenesque, it's the best of times for wall street people, spending their big bonuses, it's the worst of times for 36
million americans. >> reporter: the holiday season is often make or break for retailers. are there any bright spots? i mean, they know things are bad. are they prepared? or is it going to be an absolute blowout wreck again? >> it's going to be another train wreck under the christmas tree. our strategic group forecast is that holiday sales will be down mine nud 2% to 2.9%, the retail industry is saying minus 1%. normally it's up 3% or 4%. >> reporter: i'm a little bit c confused, because we're hearing okay news from nordstrom, salk's, some of the higher end department stores actually seem to be okay. are things separating a little bit. is the luxury consumer coming back a little bit? >> the luxury consumer is coming back with a big bounce in the stock market. so, the luxury consumer feels comfortable spending and the suppliers are fulling funding the discounts for the luxury retailers. and they were down last year minus 20% or worse, so being down that dramatically last
year, they hoping they can do best this year. >> reporter: it's all relative to the hole they're bringing out of. when are you going to tell me good news from retail? >> 300 days from now, the end of the retail recession, we're going to see some great, great results from apple, to your point. nordstrom will be good, kohl's will be good. the better-run, more capable, best-capitalized retailers will do well, though. >> reporter: what about jobs, though? does the unemployment situation change that? 300 days no matter what, or if jobs -- if the unemployment rate stays subornly high, could that be extended? >> unemployment stubbornly high, as we work through that in the first two to three quarters of 2010, we'll go from the dark days to bright lights ahead, bright days ahead, both for retail and for the economy. and we are "pushing forward" now with the next hourp "cnn newsroom" with richard lui! >> thank you, sir, tony harris. this hour, so far, so bad. six months in afghanistan, 11