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in the words of one supporter, i like the way she likes to screw with their stupid heads. >> number three, when doubt, wink. no that's something the left wing and the right can applaud. careful. we wouldn't want this kind of behavior to rub off. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. and that's it for us. thanks for joining us. "larry king live" starts right now. >> larry: tonight michael jackson's father is here and is lashing out and slamming the state publicly for the first time since facing the doctor charged today with manslaughter in the death of the pop icon. >> it's not enough. >> generalgy sanford rips the lid off the sex scandal that ruined her marriage. her husband cheated on her and lied about it, and now
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south carolina's first lady is coming in loose, moving on. she let us the public in on a very personal pain in a primetime exclusive next on "larry king live." . >> larry: couple of a program notes. we're in new york tonight and tomorrow night in washington with first lady michelle obama and then wednesday night in washington with the vice president of the united states, joe biden. michael jackson's doctor, conrad murray, was officially charged today in connection with the death of the pop star. the one count of involuntary manslaughter alleges that murray did unlawfully and without malice kill michael joseph jackson. doctor murray entered a not guilty plea, released on bail. joining us are the singer's father joe jackson and joe's attorney brian obsessionman. what do you make of those
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charges, joe? >> i don't like those charges. he got off too easy in court today. you know, a lot of things that went on behind it it that's not illustrated what's been going on. >> larry: things that you know about? >> well, i know that i'm looking for justice for my son. to me, he's just a fall guy. there's other people, i think, involved with this whole thing, but i think that he's interrogated -- he would come clean and tell everything he knows. >> larry: did you want him charged with homicide or murder? >> i was looking for justice, and justice to me would be a murder charge. >> larry: because your son, jermaine,ed that the charges were not enough, and i guess you agree with him. >> yes. we all. larry, we all --
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>> larry: go ahead, joe. >> we all agree that it was not enough. even the fans all over the world agree that it wasn't enough. believe me, it was not enough. >> larry: brian, involuntary manslaughter means that the doctor was not there to kill him, and while he may have used something -- i'm gathering this -- that shouldn't have been used, it certainly was he didn't intend for him to die, so it had to be accidental. isn't that the only charge he could bring, brian? >> no. larry i'm heart-broken by these charges. everyone in the family is heart-broken by these charges, because you got a reckless endangerment of a human life here. this doctor is giving this drug, this propofol, like it was some kind of sleep-ease or a pill for sleep. it is an anesthesia. it's dangerous when you do it outside of a hospital, and you don't have the resuscitation equipment, you don't have the necessary monitoring of the
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heartbeat and the pulse and the oxygen level in the body. i'm sorry. as a parent i wouldn't let me child receive this, and i'm sitting here next to joe jackson. i'm sorry. this is what his child received. it is dangerous. it raises to the level of implied malice, and that is murder two. >> larry: we have a court, by the way, from latoya. the quote is -- >> larry: we should remind you that dr. murray has only been charged. he's pled not guilty. in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. do you know what your daughter means by other people and other things they did? do you know what she's referring to? >> i think she was referring to people that were behind all of
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this. it's not just dr. murray himself. >> larry: what people? >> all of the people involved with michael. i don't know exactly what all of them's names are, but there was a whole slew of them. if he was interrogated enough, they would find out everything from dr. murray. >> that's right. >> larry: why do you believe, joe, that other people were involved in your son's death? why do you believe that? >> who is paying dr. murray? michael's not paying him because he's not here. who is paying all these other people that's involved? frank deleo, all of those guys are no-good guys as far as i'm concerned. and dr. toomey is another guy that has all of michael's mechanic biel memorabilia. we're looking for it. it belongs to the kids. >> larry: are you saying, joe, that these people wanted michael
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to die sf. >> michael told his mother he would be killed. he was afraid to even do all of these shows because he was afraid that he wouldn't get a chance to finish all of the show. he couldn't do all those shows back to back. even his kids say that he had told them that he would be murdered. >> larry: joe, do you know the doctor? >> no, i don't. >> larry: brian, are there any civil lawsuits going to come out of this? >> oh, absolutely, larry. sure enough. you've got liability on the part of a physician who is giving this drug on a regular, ordinary basis. and what latoya is talking about and i've talked to her a great deal about this, is that all the people around michael, they knew of the danger. i warned of the danger. i'm sitting here going i saw it, and i said, look, people. this man's going to die from the
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administration of these drugs. the family, latoya was shunned, pl jackson was shunned. everyone in this family was told, hey, we have it under control. no, sir. they did not have it under control. >> larry: what was the purpose, brian sf. >> it was reckless and irresponsible. >> larry: you don't think they intended to harm him, do you, or do you? >> i think they intended to take a superstar, a megastar and have him do what they wanted him to do. one of the ways to do it was to give him every drug that he possible could ask for. the one thing we don't do in this society is say to people addicted to medications, here, have everything you want. it's reckless and dangerous, and frankly, larry, anyone who says to a drug addict says let me give you what you want, and then they die. if their name isn't michael jackson as the victim, they're going to be charged with murder two. >> larry: we'll have you both
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back very soon, and joe we'll talk more about the foundation. that's joe jackson and brian obsessi oxman on the news today dr. conrad murray is charged in the death of pop star. we, of course, have no proof that any of the people our guests mentioned are involved in any wrongdoing, that's one thing to cover. now, what's it like hearing your spouse tell the word that his soul mate is somebody other than you? we'll ask jenny sanford, who lived it, next. i was just in town for a few days, and i was wondering if i could say hi to the doctor. is he in? he's in copenhagen. oh, well, that's nice. but you can still see him! you just said he was in... copenhagen. come on! that's pretty far. doc, look who's in town. ellen! copenhagen? cool, right? vacation. but still seeing patients. oh. [ whispering ] workaholic. i heard that.
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>> larry: jenny san forford is first lady of south carolina, she's divorcing the governor mark sanford after 20 years of marriage and they have four sons together. he publicly admitted to adultery. he was visiting his lover. jenny sanford is the author of "stays true." there you see the cover. the book has just been published. did you think of putting the title "getting even"? >> i'm not trying to get even, really. >> larry: why did you right it? >> i feel like i struck a chord with a number of folks around the country who are surprised that i didn't crumble, and i'm hopeful i can help some other women. >> larry: do you see it as a retribution or some sort of cath sis? >> katharsis, yes.
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it's an honest account of the values i hold dear and the things i turn to in times of crisis or in a busy political life to keep myself very solid and grounded in my faith, my values. you know, i looked to my faith and my god and my friends and my relationships with my family. >> larry: was it hard to write? >> it was hard, but it was all cleansing. >> larry: you have four children, right? three teenagers and one 11-year-old. >> yes. >> larry: did you talk to them about writing it? >> i talked to them about writing the book. they were all in favor, yeah. >> larry: did they read it? >> they haven't read it yet. it's not really a children's book. >> larry: i would say. >> i've read to them parts of it to make sure they were okay with it. i hope when they're read each of them will read it. i hope they learn in time and when they're ready the things that mean a lot to me and what
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got me to this decision. >> larry: isn't it difficult, jenny, if i can call you jenny? >> yes, please do. >> larry: isn't it difficult to talk about pain? >> it's difficult to talk about pain and things that are very, very personal. i've always considered myself very private, but i didn't make this public. i he spent a good, long time trying to keep it very sxrooift from becoming the spec kel it became. >> larry: you knew about it a lot longer. >> i did everything i could to keep it sxrooift protect the family once it became public, so many admired the fact i stood and stood up without losing my sense of who i was. i hope that if i can even help a couple women out there, it will the worthwhile for me. >> larry: you were a career woman on wall street, right? >> right. >> larry: whachs the attraction? >> i had been here in new york from 1984 through 1990.
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i he met mark in 1987. he was a breath of fresh air. i'm a solid midwestern girl. i found him refreshing and hone honest. kind of a breath of fresh air. >> larry: he didn't have much experience in the dating game? >> he really didn't. i found that refreshing, but it brought with it different challenges. a couple things he would say weren't what the normal guy around the block would say like right before we were getting married when he said, you know, there's -- your priest gives you a menu of different vows. he said with all due respect i'd rather not use a vow that uses the world faithful in it. i said you have to be kidding me. after that we had a very honest, frank conversation. >> larry: why did he want that out? >> he said -- i took it as an honest assessment of the things he was nervous about. marriage is -- everybody has doubts before they marry, because it's a commitment for life if you take it seriously. he just said, i don't know. i don't know if i can stay, you know, with one person for --
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>> larry: didn't that throw you? >> it did throw me, but i said, you know -- we had a serious conversation. marriage is much more than the word spoken in a vow. maj marriage is a commitment to one person. we spoke about it and are you saying you don't want to get married, because it is a vow of fidelity. he was like no, i want to get married. he was fully committed. so i took it at the end of the conversation and we revisited the conversation a couple times. i had my own doubts about mark. fidelity was the last thing i was woerd about. >> you had a very successful career, did you not? >> i did. i was doing investment banking. >> larry: major firm. >> what was mark doing? >> he was an intern at goldman sachs and getting his business degree in virginia. >> larry: any interest in politics at that time?
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>> we sat down at a restaurant one night, and he was very goal oriented. he had a couple of pages worth of goals. there was maybe one flin there about one for being a senator or something. otherwise, it was not really something he discussed. it was not really -- i wasn't very political. not at all. >> larry: we'll be right back with jenny sanford, the book is "staying true," a guaranteed best seller. we'll be right back. trées... and an appetizer or a dessert to share. ends red lobster.
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>> larry: we're back with jenny sanford. you were catholic and your husband was not. was that hard? >> yes, it is hard. i think marriage is a meshing of two lives, and there are bound to be a number of things different among the two. in our case religion was different. i considered him a very good christian, and you know, many times you'll see a jewish person marry someone else of a very different faith. the christian tradition in general cathism is different, but our values were the same. i find that, you know, marriages
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that are centered around core sets of values have a better chance of, you know, weathering the ups and downs. at some point in our marriage, he lost sight of his values. he stayed true to a set of political goals, but maybe the trent it took to do so caused him to lose sight. >> larry: do you go to the catholic church? >> no. right now we go to a christian community church. >> larry: how long have you been separated now? >> i asked him to leaf in june before he went to argentina, so we've been separated since then. >> larry: how close to divorce? >> maybe at end of the month. >> larry: it's hard for the catholic, it's against the religion? >> yes. >> larry: are you asking for special -- >> we'll see. >> larry: it's hard to anull when you have four kids, right? he's in congress -- he's in washington for six years, right? >> yeah.
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i was a bigger fan of term limits than he was for different reasons. >> larry: half the time you spent in south carolina. >> i stayed in south carolina. >> larry: was that hard? >> it is hard. i'll say a couple of things. i think that there are not enough people in this country that understand and appreciate the effort that goes into, you know, the political life, if you will. when you're a congressman that has a young family, you know, you have to be in d.c. and have to be home campaigning every weekend. you can't necessarily afford to share -- schultz your family back and forth. so if your family moves to d.c., you're home campaigning in the weekends in skrur district because you're up every two years. if your family doesn't move to d.c., it's easy to lead fairly separate lives. he starts the life of the immediate stroking that becomes with being a congressman and the immediate -- everybody -- the busy heness. everybody wants a piece of your team. you're scheduled in five-minute increements. it can be straining if you stick
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to your guns and don't go there to go along to get along. you're constantly pawed at to compromise and move. you have a wife with four babies. you have some cham lengs in it terms of maybe beinging sure you stay on the same plane. >> larry: there was some hip krasy here in other areas. he was one of the leaders against bill clinton. >> uh-huh. >> larry: that was hypocritical, wasn't it? >> it was. it saddens me because i believed in him and a he number of people believed in him. he believed what he was saying. in other words, i still believe he was a good person. i still believe he believed in the things he professed. somewhere along the lines he got off track. he can get back on track, but too late for the marriage. >> larry: do you think this was the only woman? >> you know, he admitted to having, you know, dalliances or whatever he calmed it with other
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women. this is the only one he says he had a real affair with. >> larry: how did you find out? >> i found a letter that he had. >> larry: from? >> that mark had written to his lover. >> larry: didn't he send it? >> for some reason he had a he copy of it for goodness sakes, i don't know why that was. i was looking for financial records at his request, so i wasn't doing anything i shouldn't have been doing. >> larry: this was how long ago? >> this was last january, a year ago. >> larry: you opened this letter. it's written to this woman? >> right. >> larry: what hits you? >> oh, it's awful. >> larry: what did you do? >> i literally was in shock. my stomach was -- felt punched. i was he shaking. the thought went through my mind. i was literally stunned. what do you do? i don't know. i really believed in this man. i had seen signs that something wasn't right in the last year, but he just wasn't himself. he was frustrated and anxious. he was losing weight. there were things that weren't right about him, but i never
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suspected anything like this? >> larry: angry? >> no. i he went through a couple of stages where i was angry, but that wasn't my initial response, no. he came in 10 minutes after i found the letter. >> larry: what did you say? >> i was still kind of stunned. you know, i didn't -- i didn't -- i didn't have a -- i looked at him quietly and said can you tell me about this? what is this? i felt in some respects like we had lost something that we'd never get back, and from my gut was to forgive -- my gut once he said, oh, yeah, it's nothing, it's nothing. we decided we needed to talk about it. the children came up the stairs, so we had to continue the discussion. but my initial gut was to forgive, if he could make an honest effort towards reconciliation. i did believe you can make your marriage stronger and recover from something like that. i felt like there was something
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that was lost that you'd never get back. >> larry: more of the incredible story of generalgy sanford in the book "staying true." we'll be right back. cheeseburger mac... how 'bout some after the show? hamburger helper. one pound. one pan. one tasty meal. (announcer) not just sinus headache... ahhhh! but pressure... and congestion. introducing new sudafed pe® triple action™. for more complete relief from the sinus triple threat. new sudafed pe® triple action™.
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>> larry: were you angry -- we're back with jenny sanford. were you angry with the miss fres
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tress in argentina. you referred to her as his -- he defended her. >> in that discussion i used that world, but maybe i shouldn't have, but it caused a reaction which led me to believe he had real feelings for her. >> larry: he got mad? >> he said, she is not. so i didn't use the material again, but it did open my eyes a little bit to the fact that there was real feelings there. >> larry: did you ever think is it something i did? >> the thought went through my mind soul-searching, how could i have known and done differently? at the end of the day, i have not dwelled on that. in some respects i really -- when i look back over our lives, i see the stress and strain that came with the political world we were in and a see a number of different factors that maybe coincides with his life at one time to just make him -- to make him maybe lose sight of who he really was. that was saddening to me. it was -- it saddened me. it didn't make my angry.
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>> larry: after he admits the affair, this is one of the shocking points in this incredible book, he asks your permission to go visit with her again. you write he requests to leave his lover, was frantic about seeing her. did he need permission? >> near the end before he actually went to argentina, he kept asking for permission. he had to see her and something in his heart to figure it out. i he never saw him like this ever in his life. he was talking about love in different ways about just -- he just was lost frankly, and there was nothing i could do to wake him up. >> larry: did you accept the fact, hey, he's in love with this woman? >> what was funny -- i would have accepted if he said i'm in love with this woman, and this is what it is. it was like he didn't know. he had to see her to find out. >> larry: but he wanted you to sfa? >> he wanted me to stay and didn't want to give up what he had. that was painful. >> that's called gall, right? >> he said it in a way that
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was -- that was -- he was almost oblivious to the pain he was causing. >> larry: double he was hiking the appalachian trail? >> i had my doubts, but i was hopeful he was. i had kicked him out of the house. i had asked him to leave, because he was begging to see his mistress, and it was ripping me up. so i said, you need to leave. i was hoping by starving him of kwakt with the family for 30 days, he would wake up to what he might lose. i said please have no contact with the boys or i and i asked him to tell you the boys he would go. from the first week i knew from people in his office he was in colombia and we weren't speaking. then he disappeared. the only information i had was through people in his office. i had my doubts, but i was hoping that's where he was. >> larry: let's watch that now famous clip from june 24th where he publicly admits having an
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affair. watch. >> the bottom line is this. i've been unfaithful to my wife. i developed a relationship with a -- what started as a dear, dear friend from argentina. it began very innocently, as i suspect many of these things do, in just a casual e pamail back d forth advice on one's life there and advice here. but here recently over this last year it developed into something much more than that. >> larry: you watch that? >> uh-huh. >> larry: what went through -- >> it's not something you want to watch on national television. >> larry: a lot of wives appear with their husbands, they stand back a little and sort of look sad. did you think of going to that? >> no, never crossed my mind.
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>> larry: did he ask you to go? >> no. >> larry: how do you think he handled himself there? >> from a personal stand point as a wife, not very well and from a political standpoint not very well. >> larry: shut out on both sides? >> uh-huh. >> larry: we'll be right back with jenny sanford. the book is "staying true." don't go away. rethinking what pain reliever you should be taking? fact: for over 25 years... in test after test, advil has been shown to be safe and effective when taken as directed. get the facts... go to
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>> larry: back with generaljenn sanford, as soon as that press conference was over he asked you for a critique? >> how did i do? >> larry: what did you say? >> i was stunned. what do you mean? you said little of me and the boys. frankly, i'm not sure what else i said after that. i wanted to get off the phone. >> larry: how about when he told you that she was his soul mate? >> i think he told the world that, but that one didn't feel very good either. one of my boys told me later on he said she was a soul mate. i think that's kind of cheesy. i can't think of a better term. >> larry: what do your boys think now? >> you know, they're obviously disappointed, but they want our family back. they want the family back together. they want mom and dad together.
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mark and i weren't the type that fought all the time. we never fought. we were very compatible, so i think to some extent they're bewildered at the turn of events and how the world changed. having said that, the kids are resilient and we're back at home settling into a new, normal routine. i feel like they're going to do great. >> larry: let's take a call for jenny sanford from florida. hello. >> caller: i have a he question for mrs. sanford. do you have less trust in men after this experience, and do you think that marriage will be in the future or you just don't think of that right now, it's too soon? >> you know, i don't know that i do have less trust in men. i think, you know, everybody in this world is prone to making mistakes or dissending or falling off of their grounding or, you know, falling away from the values or the things that they hold dear. i still have faith that mark's a good person and will get it back. it will too late for the marriage. i think i could trust another
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man, and i think i could get married again. we'll see. it depends on, you know -- it depends on who the person is and, you know, what kind of trust develops. i'm totally open. >> larry: where does he stand with the woman now? do you know? >> larry, i got to the point i don't want to know. i don't even ask. i'm just moving on. i want to stay happy and positive and raise the kids to the best of my ability. >> larry: any chance after all of this to save the marriage? was there any counseling? >> we had counseling at a number of different stages along the way. nobody takes a 20-year marriage and sdis in a snap minute to throw it away. came to the decision very prayerfully and carefully over a number of months, and it was a process, if you will. i got to the stanl whege where decided there's no going back. >> larry: how did you tell him you wanted a divorce? >> i told him before he went to argentina if he went to see her i would divorce him. i was clear a number of times that those would be the ramifications, it was not
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allowed and i he went anyway and i gave him another shot when he came back. it was pretty easy to say, this is it. i'm ready to move on. >> larry: why did you stay a day? >> because we have four children, and i believe in marriage. i believe that if god blesses us with children. >> larry: it could never be same, could it? >> it could never be the same, but i do believe -- i do believe people can rebuild themselves. i believe people can repent and have a humble spirit and really make -- i believe that with work you can make it better, yeah. >> larry: he was listed at times as a presidential possibility in the sweepstakes. now with his career ruined, where does he go from here? he's going to finish his term apparently. there's to impeachment, is there? >> no the xwreechlt is passed. it sounds like he will finish his term through the rest of the year. i don't know what his future holds. he has a lot of soul-searching to do. i hope he gets back to his grounding and he figures some
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things out if for no other reason than the sake of our kids. boys need to see their dad make amends and make things right. >> larry: did you have a good financial settlement? >> we're still working on that and keeping that private. >> larry: that's your own business. why didn't he resign? some say you helped him stay in office. i want a quote from south carolina's newspaper "the state." quote, jenny stepped to his defense by publicly saying she was willing to forgive him and privately assuring key lawmakers the sanfords could get past their problems while the governor finished his term. you helped him stay in office. why? >> i don't know that that's necessarily a correct assessment. i put out a statement that i was going to forgive him, but i don't know that i privately spoke and encouraged lawmakers. i was dealing with my own personal situation with the kids. i believe i spoke to two close
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friends that are associated with the legislature, but that's not in any way, shape or form urging the legislators. i stayed out of it, and i know i made a couple of very bold comments to the notion that, you know, his career was not my concern. my family was, and the character of my children. i stand by that. >> larry: more after this. [ female announcer ] introducing carefree® ultra protection™ liners. it feels like a liner, but protects like a pad. because it absorbs 10 times more. there's nothing quite like it. carefree® ultra protection™. feels like a liner, protects like a pad™.
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we're back with jenny sanford. i asked if she liked being first lady. you said no. >> you're going to get me in
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trouble back in south carolina. first lady is an interesting job. it's a job that, you know, you don't get paid. you can't be fired, although i guess i'm about to fire myself by divorcing my husband. it comes -- there's some parts of it that are wonderfully enriching and gratifying because so many people write you notes, they see you and support you in anything you do, but there are a lot of expectations. i'm not a southerner. there's a -- you oversee the governor's mansion. there's a lot that comes with the house. you support your husband in whatever he does. we have a tight budget. you have to manage the budget. >> larry: do they feel they own you? >> a lot of people feel they voted for your husband and the event is very important, and when you're juggling four kids it can be a lot. >> larry: can get to you after a while. >> it's a real job. the flipside is there's opportunity to do great things. you show up at a charity event or you stop by the local children's hospital or, you know, help out at a homeless
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shelter, and they're so happy you're there. or you can talk about things that are near and dear to your heart, and actually make a difference. that part of it is gratifying, but it's a juggle especially at my stage in life with young children. >> larry: you got to see a lot of racy e-mails he sent, right sf. >> i saw the same ones in the paper that everybody saw. >> larry: what did that do to you? >> it ripped me up, if for no other reason, you don't want your children reading that either. >> larry: did they? >> they did, yes. if the world out there knows this kind of stuff and kids in their class are reading it, i'm not so sure i should keep them from reading it. i believe letting them be aware what's out there to deal with. i remember seeing two of them reading some of those on the web, and i said read them and turn it off and go outside and play. >> larry: you're supposed to not knock your spouse to your children in a divorce. that's the general advice, right? >> right. mark and i are getting along beautifully right now. i don't knock him in front of the kids at all, but at the same
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time they were reading the e-mails he wasn't around. i don't think you can keep that from him. >> larry: what does he think of the book? >> he hasn't read it yet, so i don't know. >> larry: one would think he would have been the first one to read it. >> perhaps he knows the story. >> larry: good line. your parents are living? >> they are. >> larry: what do they think of this? >> they're heart-broken. nobody wants this for their little girl or their big girl. i mean, it's just -- they were believers in mark. the sad part of all this is mark had a serious falling. family, friends, people all across our state and he was gaining a following in our nation. he is a stalwart and a stalwart and taken a strong stance against run away government spending, debts and deficits. he's been that way for 15 years. it's rare to see a politician stick to his guns in that manner, and he attracted a following and people were
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disenheartened by this. >> larry: he was extraordinarily frug gal. he made you return a diamond necklace. he didn't feel it was workth worth it. >> he was in congress so he ordered it from a friend through the phone. when he came home, he must have envisioned he bought me the hope diamond based on what he spent on it. when he saw it on my neck and said i hope you kept the box and he took it back. when he was in d.c. he called and faxed clues to the basement and the kids went on a scavenger hunt around the house. it was sweet. because i know how enganled in him this stuff is, we were married a number of years, i didn't take it personally. he's frugal to the core. >> larry: isn't that hard to live with? >> you learn to fight the battles you really care about. as long as i can peacefully coexist with him without him getting into every financial decision i made, we got around it. it worked out fine.
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>> larry: did he complain about a credit card you might use? >> he would complain about overall -- i learned to get him to focus on the bigger picture. the overall household spending instead of every little bill, and it worked. >> larry: what do you think he's going footo do? >> i don't know. it depends on what he does to get himself back in touch with his values. i believe he's focused in the right way in terms of finding a path going forward. i don't know what that path is. nothing would surprise me. i he wouldn't be surprised if two years from now he's driving a tractor and i wouldn't be surprised if he was traipsing the country with pork and barrel, twot bhe two pigs. nothing would surprise me. >> larry: would it rock you if he married the argentinian? >> it probably wouldn't, because i come to peace with myself. >> larry: would you want your boys to know her? >> i can't answer that, because i don't know her. i don't hold her in very high regard given what's happened here. so i'm not so sure that i'd be
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pleased with it, but i would certainly accept it. >> larry: we're back with jenny sanford. i don't think there's anyone like her. the book is "staying true." we'll be right back. it doesn't take much;
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his he way, that he's lost his values, that he must be confused. i'm just wondering, as hard as it may be to accept, are you just saying these things to make yourself feel better? in other words, that he just must be crazy? i guess my question is, is it fobl for possible for a man or woman to fall out of love with their spouse and fall in love with someone else, and maybe that's the case here? if it is the case, should a person stay in a marriage if they've been married 20 years and have four children? >> no. i actually agree with you that it is -- i think it is possible for a man -- i think it's certainly possible that he just felt completely out of love with me and fell in love with somebody else. but the honorable thing to do would be to say i'm not in love with you, and i'm going to marry this other woman. that's not what he said. so he's asking for permission,
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and then i want to stay married to you is not really -- that's -- it's the sign of somebody that -- i'm saying that he's lost because i believe that. it's really on an emotional level. i've als been asked does he has the capacity to continue to govern, and i believe does. i don't think he's lost his way at all in the things much more straightforward to him. i used the term in the book i watched him become empty inside, and that's something that maybe happens to politicians over time. you spend so much time speaking in sound bites and ripped up by your political enemies and ripped up by the press and seeking what comes with theagelation that comes with certain members of the press or aspec aspects of the press. compartmentalizing your feelings can make you feel confused. i'm not saying it in a derogatory way. >> larry: let's check in with anderson cooper back in haiti. he'll host "a.c. 360" at the top of the hour.
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why are you back? >> well, larry, there's still so much going on here and there's been so much attention over the last week. we were part of it. focusing on ten american missionaries. it's a fascinating story. there are new developments about it tonight. disturbing developments we'll tell you about. the real story happening in haiti, a story which is largely going unreported and has dropped out of the headlines is what is still happening here on a daily basis. there's still nearly half a million people here living on the streets tonight. many of them are hungry. just a few blocks from here a few moments ago we found a young girl who has some sort of infection. she's burning up. we're told if she doesn't make it to a hospital she could die within the next 48 hours. so it seems like much the world has moved away from what's happening here. the situation here remains dire and desperate and there are so many people in need here. so sanjay gupta and i decided to come back and continue focusing and continue telling the story of what's really going on here, larry, every single day.
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>> larry: you'll cover that at the top of the hour. anything else you're on top of? >> we are also looking at sarah palin's comments this weekend. we'll talk to james carville and marry matalin, too, about the remarkable super bowl. our focus is on haiti, the situation on the ground and the reality of what people here are facing right now. >> larry: that's anderson cooper, amazingly enough on top of the scene in haiti at "a.c. 360." 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific. back with more moments with jenny sanford after this.
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>> larry: back with jenny sanford, our remaining moments. you must feel for elizabeth edwards. >> i do. i do. uh-huh. >> larry: fellow carolinian. >> yeah. you know, nobody deserves to be put in this kind of a situation and she certainly has had a couple of knocks and my heart goes out to her. >> larry: would you call her? >> i would. i haven't. i mean, yeah, i'd be happy to. i think i'm going to send her a book. >> larry: you ought to. what does your future hold? you're 47. >> 47. uh-huh. i still have, you know, kids at home and this last year has been quite tumultuous for them.
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my first priority is to make sure they're settled. once i finish rolling this book out i'm going to spend the rest of the year -- we have a senior graduating high school and looking to go to college. >> larry: where is he going to go? >> i don't know yet. he wants to go to virginia. he got accepted to georgetown. >> larry: your school. >> my school. i'm pulling for georgetown but i don't know. >> larry: would you like to see any of them go into politics? >> i would rather not, but they know politics. i'm always trying to teach them a little bit of capitalism on the side. you know, i'm trying to balance their world a little bit. we'll see. you know, you always want your kids to do what's right for them. if they're meant to be in politics i wouldn't stop them. >> larry: you came from the world of finance. would you go back to it? >> i would consider it. i like living in south carolina. i'm going to think very carefully about what i do next. i might slowly get into something. i might do a couple little things. as the boys move on to college,
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i might get into something full time. >> larry: you support someone for governor? >> i endorse an indian-american woman in south carolina. she's bright, articulate and holds the same kind of fiscal conservative values as mark sanford and wants to reform the good old boy system that's held mark back. in south carolina the governor is not very strong. a lot of things need to be reformed. she's picked up that same platform. >> larry: is it a crowded group? >> a handful of folks. >> larry: is mark going to endorse -- maybe they wouldn't want mark's endorsement. >> i'm not so sure. i think he's probably going to stay out of it. >> larry: you wouldn't get into politics? >> i have no interest. i think i've done my time. >> larry: let's take another quick call. long view, texas. hello. >> caller: hello and good evening mrs. sanford. i'm sorry for the pain you faced at the hands of the governor's hypocrisy and waste of taxpayer dollars. i've never heard your opinion. do you think he should resign? i inferred you think he should.
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was that a plea for plural marriage? i'm kind of unclear. >> i respect your question but i've been asked in the past whether i think he should resign. particularly when he came back from argentina. i said, i'm staying out of that. my focus is my children and my family. i'm going to leave it at that. >> larry: he did shame -- in shaming the marriage he shamed the office, too, didn't he? >> he did shame the office, but, you know, i'm not the one to judge whether he should resign or be impeached. i'm focused where my priorities are which is where they should be. >> larry: how do you like going on and talking about a book? >> you know, it's different. >> larry: how do you like talkitalk ing about your life? >> it's very different. i didn't open the can of worms and introduce it to the country. my husband did. if there's a way i can be helpful to others by being hopeful and honest, inspire others women to get up and move on and gracefully deal with the challenges in their life by sticking with faith, friendships and relationships and values that matter it will have been a
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success. >> larry: have you heard from a lot of people? >> i have. i have. i've been encouraged by a number of people who have followed my story or people who have already read the book since it's been out. >> larry: brothers and sisters. >> two brothers and two sisters. >> larry: how do they treat you? >> the wonderful thing about family and friends is you can't survive without them. my sisters and my parents have been right there with me. my brothers have been supporters. everybody's been supportive. you need that in any trial in your life. you need to keep good relationships with your family. you need to rely on your friendship, really close girlfriends and need your faith. steadfast faith. >> larry: they must have bitter feelings about mark. >> some are more bitter than others. we're working on being as happy as we can be so the kids can be enveloped in a sense of love going forward. >> larry: give you a lot of credit. >> thank you. >> larry: great meeting you. >> nice to meet you too. >> larry: the guest, jenny sanford. still the first lady. >> at least a few more weeks. >>ry


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