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new orleans. >> i can hear it and it sounds bizarre. apparently has a facebook fan club and loves monty python and he's always a little loopy. i guess this wasn't too out of the ordinary, but certainly got a lot of attention. >> loopy enough he has a facebook page with 3700 fans. >> that will grow by the hour. that's it for "360." larry king starts right now. >> larry: tonight breaking news exclusive michael jackson's father joe is here and is lashing out and slapping the face publy. >> it's not enough.
>> larry: plus jenny sanford rips the lid off the sex scandal that ruined her marriage. her husband cheated on her and lied about it, and now south carolina's first lady is coming in loose, moving on. she let us the public in on a very personal pain in a primetime exclusive next on "larry king live." >> larry: couple of a program notes. we're in new york tonight and tomorrow night in washington with first lady michelle obama and then wednesday night in washington with the vice president of the united states, joe biden. michael jackson's doctor, conrad murray, was officially charged today in connection with the death of the pop star. the one count of involuntary manslaughter alleges that murray did unlawfully and without malice kill michael joseph jackson. dr. murray entered a not guilty plea, released on bail. joining us are the singer's father, joe jackson, and joe's
attorney, brian oxman. what do you make of those charges, joe? >> i don't like those charges. he got off too easy in court today. you know, a lot of things that went on behind it that's not illustrated as to what's been going on. >> larry: things that you know about? >> well, i know that i'm looking for justice for my son. to me, he's just a fall guy. there's other people, i think, involved with this whole thing, but i think that he's interrogated -- he would come clean and tell everything he knows. >> larry: did you want him charged with homicide or murder? >> i was looking for justice, and justice to me would be a murder charge. >> larry: because your son, jermaine, said the charges were not enough, and i guess you agree with. >> yes. we all. larry, we all --
>> larry: go ahead, joe. >> we all agree that it was not enough. even the fans all over the world agree that it wasn't enough. believe me, it was not enough. >> larry: brian, involuntary manslaughter means that the doctor was not there to kill him, and while he may have used something -- i'm gathering this -- that shouldn't have been used, it certainly was he didn't intend for him to die, so it had to be accidental. isn't that the only charge he could bring, brian? >> no. larry, i'm heart-broken by these charges. everyone in the family is heart-broken by these charges, because you got a reckless endangerment of a human life here. this doctor is giving this drug, this propofol, like it was some kind of sleep-ease or a pill for sleep. it is an anesthesia. it's dangerous when you do it outside of a hospital, and you don't have the resuscitation equipment, you don't have the necessary monitoring of the heartbeat and the pulse and the oxygen level in the body.
i'm sorry. as a parent, i wouldn't let my child receive this, and i'm sitting here next to joe jackson. i'm sorry. this is what his child received. it is dangerous. it raises to the level of implied malice, and that is murder two. >> larry: we have a he quote by the way from latoya. the quote is -- >> larry: we should remind you that dr. murray has only been charged. he's pled not guilty. in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. do you know what your daughter means by other people and other things they did? do you know what she's referring to? >> i think she was referring to
people that were behind all of this. it's not just dr. murray himself. >> larry: what people? >> all of the people involved with michael. i don't know exactly what all of them's names are, but there was a whole slew of them. if he was interrogated enough, they would find out everything from dr. murray. >> that's right. >> larry: why do you believe, joe, that other people were involved in your son's death? why do you believe that? >> who is paying dr. murray? michael's not paying him because he's not here. who is paying all these other people that's involved? frank deleo, all of those guys are no-good guys as far as i'm concerned. and dr. toomey is another guy that has all of michael's memorabilia. he's out there with it. we can't find him. we're looking for this stuff, because it bonelongs to the kid. >> larry: are you saying, joe, that these people wanted michael
to die? >> michael told his mother he would be killed. he was afraid to even do all of these shows because he was afraid that he wouldn't get a chance to finish all of the show. he couldn't do all those shows back to back. even his kids say that he had told them that he would be murdered. >> larry: joe, do you know the doctor? >> no, i don't. >> larry: brian, are there any civil lawsuits going to come out of this? >> oh, absolutely, larry. sure enough. you've got liability on the part of a physician who is giving this drug on a regular, ordinary basis. and what latoya is talking about and i've talked to her a great deal about this, is that all the people around michael, they knew of the danger. i warned of the danger. i'm sitting here going i saw it, and i said, look, people. this man's going to die from the
administration of these drugs. the family, latoya was shunned, mr. jackson was shunned. everyone in this family was told, hey, we have it under control. no, sir. they did not have it under control. >> larry: what was the purpose, brian? >> it was reckless and irresponsible. >> larry: you don't think they intended to harm him, do you, or do you? >> i think they intended to take a superstar, a megastar and have him do what they wanted him to do. one of the ways to do it was to give him every drug that he possible could ask for. the one thing we don't do in this society is say to people addicted to medications, here, have everything you want. that is reckless and dangerous, and frankly, larry, anyone who says to a drug addict, here, let me give you what you want, and then they die, i'm sorry. if their name isn't michael jackson as the victim, they're going to be charged with murder
two. >> larry: we'll have you both back very soon, and joe we'll talk more about the foundation. that's joe jackson and brian oxman on the news today that michael jackson's doctor, dr. conrad murray, is charged it the death of the pop star. we, of course, have no proof that any of the people our guests mentioned are involved in any wrongdoing, that's one thing to cover. now, what's it like hearing your spouse tell the world that his soul mate is somebody other than you? we'll ask jenny sanford, who lived it, next. okay, class, our special guest is here -- ellen page. hi, ellen! hi, ellen! hi, ellen! hi, ellen! we're going on a field trip to china! wow. [ chuckles ] when i was a kid, we -- we would just go to the -- the farm. [ cow moos ] [ laughter ] no, seriously, where are you guys going? ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao! ni hao!
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>> larry: jenny sanford is the first lady of south carolina, she's divorcing the governor mark sanford after 20 years of marriage and they have four sons together. he publicly admitted to adultery. that was after telling his staffers he was hiking on the appalachian trail when he was nin fact visiting his lover. jenny sanford is the author of "stays true." there you see the cover. the book has just been published. did you think of putting the title "getting even"? >> i'm not trying to get even, really. >> larry: why did you right it? >> i feel like i struck a chord with a number of folks around the country who are surprised that i didn't crumble, and i'm hopeful i can help some other women. >> larry: do you see it as a retribution or some sort of
catharsis? >> catharsis, yes. it's an honest account of the values i hold dear and the things i turn to in times of crisis or in a busy political life to keep myself very solid and grounded in my faith, my values. you know, i looked to my faith and my god and my friends and my relationships with my family. >> larry: was it hard to write? >> it was hard, but it was all cleansing. >> larry: you have four children, right? three teenagers and one 11-year-old. >> yes. >> larry: did you talk to them about writing it? >> i talked to them about writing the book. they were all in favor, yeah. >> larry: did they read it? >> they haven't read it yet. you know, i'm not so sure -- it's not really a children's book. >> larry: i would say. >> i've read to them parts of it to make sure they were okay with it. my hope is in time when they're ready each of them in their own time will read it. i hope they learn in time and when they're ready the things that mean a lot to me and what
got me to this decision. >> larry: isn't it difficult, jenny, if i can call you jenny? >> yes, please do. >> larry: isn't it difficult to talk about pain? >> it's difficult to talk about pain and things that are very, very personal. i've always considered myself very private, but i didn't make this public. as a matter of fact, if you read the book, you'll see i spent a good long time from being very private and from becoming the spectacle that it became. >> larry: you knew about it a lot longer. >> i did everything i could to keep it private and protect the family, but once it became public, i just figured there's so many women out there that connected me and say they admired the fact that i stood up without losing a sense of who i was. i hope that if i can even help a couple women out there, it will be worth while for me. >> larry: you were a career woman on wall street, right? >> right. >> larry: what was the attraction? >> i had been here in new york from 1984 through 1990.
i met mark in 1987. he was a breath of fresh air. i'm a solid midwestern girl. i found him refreshing and honest. kind of a breath of fresh air. >> larry: he didn't have much experience in the dating game? >> he really didn't. i found that refreshing, but it brought with it different challenges. a couple things he would say weren't what the normal suave guy that's been around the block would say. like before we were getting married, the priest gives you a menu with different vows. he said with all due respect i'd rather not use a vow that uses the world faithful in it. i said you have to be kidding me. after that we had a very honest, frank conversation. >> larry: why did he want that out? >> he said -- i took it as an honest assessment of the things he was nervous about. marriage is -- everybody has doubts before they marry, because it's a commitment for life if you take it seriously. he just said, i don't know. i don't know if i can stay, you know, with one person for --
>> larry: didn't that throw you? >> it did throw me, but i said, you know -- we had a serious conversation. marriage is much more than the word spoken in a vow marriage is a commitment to one person. it is a vow i fidelity. we spoke about it and are you saying you don't want to get married, because it is a vow of fidelity. he was like no, i want to get married. he was fully committed. so i took it at the end of the conversation and we revisited the conversation a number of times. i was absolutely certain. there's no question, i had my own doubts about mark. fidelity was the last thing i was woerd about. >> you had a very successful career, did you not? >> i did. i was doing investment banking. >> larry: major firm. what was mark doing? >> he was an intern at goldman sachs and getting his business degree in virginia. >> larry: any interest in politics at that time? >> we sat down at a restaurant
one night, and he was very goal oriented. i thought that was refreshing. he had a couple of pages worth of goals. there was maybe one line in there about one for running for a senator or something. otherwise, it was not really something he discussed. it was not really -- i wasn't very political. not at all. >> larry: we'll be right back with jenny sanford, the book is "staying true," a guaranteed best seller. we'll be right back. protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the cadillac cts sport sedan.
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and protestantism. but our values were the same. i find that, you know, marriages that are centered around core sets of values have a better chance of, you know, weathering the ups and downs. at some point in our marriage, he lost sight of his values. he stayed true to a set of political goals and i continue to praise him for that. maybe the strength it took to do so so caused him to lose sight of his personal values. >> larry: do you go to the catholic church? >> no. right now we go to a christian community church. >> larry: how long have you been separated now? >> i asked him to leave in june before he went to argentina, so we've been separated since then. >> larry: how close to divorce? >> maybe at end of the month. next couple weeks. >> larry: it's hard for the catholic, it's against the religion? >> yes. >> larry: are you asking for special -- >> we'll see. i don't know. fist thing's first. >> it's hard to anull when you have four kids. he's in congress -- he's in washington for six years, right? >> yeah. i was a bigger fan of term limits than he was for different
reasons. >> larry: half the time you spent in south carolina. >> i stayed in south carolina. >> larry: was that hard? >> it is hard. i'll say a couple of things. i think that there are not enough people in this country that understand and appreciate the effort that goes into, you know, the political life, if you will. when you're a congressman that has a young family, you know, you have to be in d.c. and have to be home campaigning every weekend. you can't necessarily afford to shuttle your family back and forth. so if your family moves to d.c., you're home campaigning in the weekends in your district because you're up every two years, right? if your family doesn't move to d.c., it's easy to lead fairly separate lives. he starts the life of the immediate stroking that comes with being a congressman and the immediate -- everybody -- the busyness. everybody wants a piece of your team. you're scheduled in five-minute increements. it can be straining if you stick to your guns and don't go there to go along to get along.
you're constantly pawed at to compromise and move. you have a wife with four babies. you definitely have some challenges in terms of making sure you stay on the same plain. >> larry: in other areas your husband was one of the leaders against bill clinton. >> uh-huh. >> larry: that was hypocritical, wasn't it? >> it was. it saddens me because i believed in him and a he number of people believed in him. at the time i think he believed in what he was saying. in other words, i still believe he was a good person. i still believe he believed in the things he professed. somewhere along the lines he got off track. he can get back on track, but too late for the marriage. >> larry: do you think this was the only woman? >> you know, he admitted to having, you know, dalliances or whatever he called it with other
women. this is the only one he says he had a real affair with. >> larry: how did you find out? >> i found a letter that he had. >> larry: from? >> that mark had written to his lover. >> larry: didn't he send it? >> for some reason he had a copy of it for goodness sakes, i don't know why that was. i was looking for financial records at his request, so i wasn't doing anything i shouldn't have been doing. >> larry: this was how long ago? >> this was last january, a year ago. >> larry: you opened this letter. it's written to this woman? >> right. >> larry: what hits you? >> oh, it's awful. >> larry: what did you do? >> i literally was in shock. my stomach was -- felt punched. i was shaking. the thought went through my mind. i was literally stunned. what do you do? i don't know. i really believed in this man. i had seen signs that something wasn't right in the last year, but he just wasn't himself. he was frustrated and anxious. he was losing weight. there were things that weren't right about him, but i never
suspected anything like this? >> larry: angry? >> no. i he went through a couple of stages where i was angry, but that wasn't my initial response, no. he came in 10 minutes after i found the letter. >> larry: what did you say? >> i was still kind of stunned. you know, i didn't -- i didn't -- i didn't have a -- i looked at him quietly and said can you tell me about this? what is this? i felt in some respects like we had lost something that we'd never get back, and from my gut was to forgive -- my gut once he said, oh, yeah, it's nothing, it's nothing. we decided we needed to talk about it. the children came up the stairs, so we had to continue the discussion. but my initial gut was to forgive, if he could make an honest effort towards reconciliation. >> larry: that's really christian. >> i still did believe you can make your marriage stronger and
recover from something like that i felt like there was something that was lost that you'd never get back. >> larry: more of the incredible story of engine sanford and the book "staying true." we'll be right back. i'm george duran and this is the hunt's crash kitchen tour. these tomatoes are not my favorite. this, my friends, is what i am bringing to the table. hunt's flashsteams every tomato to keep that backyard garden fresh taste. isn't it time to take a fresh look at your tomatoes?
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>> he said, she is not. so i didn't use the term again, but it did open my eyes a little bit to the fact that there was some real feelings there. >> larry: did you every think when we're talking about catholic guilt here is it something i did? >> the thought went through my mind soul-searching, how could i have known and done differently? at the end of the day, i have not dwelled on that. in some respects i really -- when i look back over our lives, i see the stress and strain that came with the political world we were in and i see a number of different factors that maybe coincides with his life at one time to just make him -- to make him maybe lose sight of who he really was. that was saddening to me. it was -- it saddened me. it didn't make my angry. >> larry: after he admits the affair, this is one of the shocking points in this incredible book, he asks your permission to go visit with her again.
you write that at one point that he requested to see his lover. he was frantic about seeing her. did he need permission? >> near the end before he actually went to argentina, he kept asking for permission. he had to see her and something in his heart to figure it out. i had never seen him like this ever in my life. he was talking about love in different ways about just -- he just was lost frankly, and there was nothing i could do to wake him up. >> larry: did you accept the fact, hey, he's in love with this woman? >> what was funny -- i would have accepted if he said i'm in love with this woman, and this is what it is. it was like he didn't know. he had to see her to find out. >> larry: but he wanted you to stay? >> he wanted me to stay and didn't want to give up what he had. that was painful. that's called kutpah, gal, right? >> he said it in a way that was -- that was -- he was almost oblivious to the pain he was causing.
>> larry: did you believe he was hiking the appalachian trail? >> i had my doubts, but i was hopeful he was. i had kicked him out of the house. i had asked him to leave, because he was begging to see his mistress, and it was ripping me up. so i said, you need to leave. i was hoping by starving him of contact with the family for 30 days, he would wake up to what he might lose. i said please have no contact with the boys or i and i asked him to tell you the boys he would be gone and he'd have no contact with him. they didn't understand it. he was gone from the first week i new from people in his office he was in colombia, but we weren't speaking. then he disappeared. he told people in his office he was hiking the appalachian trail. the only information i had was through people in his office. i had my doubts, but i was hoping that's where he was. >> larry: let's watch that now famous clip from june 24th where he publicly admits having an affair. watch. >> the bottom line is this. i've been unfaithful to my wife.
i developed a relationship with a -- what started as a dear, dear friend from argentina. it began very innocently, as i suspect many of these things do, in just a casual e-mail back and forth getting advice on one's life there and advice here. but here recently over this last year it developed into something much more than that. >> larry: you watch that? >> uh-huh. >> larry: what went through -- >> it's not something you want to watch on national television. >> larry: a lot of wives appear with their husbands, they stand back a little and sort of look sad. did you think of going to that? >> no, never crossed my mind. >> larry: did he ask you to go? >> no. >> larry: how do you think he handled himself there? >> from a personal standpoint as a wife, not very well, and from
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>> larry: back with jenny sanford, as soon as that press conference was over he asked you for a critique? >> how did i do? >> larry: what did you say? >> i was stunned. what do you mean? how did you do? you talked more about her and cried for her and said little of me and the boys. frankly, i'm not sure what else i said after that. i wanted to get off the phone. >> larry: how about when he told you that she was his soul mate? >> i think he told the world that, but that one didn't feel very good either. one of my boys told me later on he said she was a soul mate. i think that's kind of cheesy. i can't think of a better term. >> larry: what do your boys think now? >> you know, they're obviously disappointed, but they want our family back. they want the family back together. they want mom and dad together. mark and i weren't the type that fought all the time. we never fought. we were very compatible, so i think to some extent they're bewildered at the turn of events and how the world changed. having said that, the kids are
resilient and we're back at home settling into a new, normal routine. i feel like they're going to do great. >> larry: let's take a call for jenny sanford from florida. hello. >> caller:. hi. i have a question for mrs. sanford. after this experience do you have less trust in men, and do you think that marriage will be in the future, or you just don't think of that right now, it's too soon? >> you know, i don't know that i do have less trust in men. i think, you know, everybody in this world is prone to making mistakes or discending or falling off of their grounding or, you know, falling away from the values or the things that they hold dear. i still have faith that mark's a good person and will get it back. it will too late for the marriage. i think i could trust another man, and i think i could get married again. we'll see. it depends on, you know -- it depends on who the person is and, you know, what kind of trust develops. i'm totally open.
>> larry: where does he stand with the woman now? do you know? >> larry, i got to the point i don't want to know. i don't even ask. i'm just moving on. i want to stay happy and positive and raise the kids to the best of my ability. >> larry: any chance after all of this to save the marriage? was there any counseling? >> we had counseling at a number of different stages along the way. nobody takes a 20-year marriage and decides in a snap minute to throw it away. so i think i came to the decision very prayerfully and very carefully over a he number of months, and it was a process, if you will. i got to the stage where i decided there's no going back. i'm really ready to move on. >> larry: how did you tell him you wanted a divorce? >> i told him before he went to argentina if he went to see her i would divorce him. i was clear a number of times that those would be the ramifications, it was not alloyed. and he went anyway, i gave him another shot when he came back. it was pretty easy to say, this is it. i'm ready to move on. >> larry: why did you stay a day?
>> because we have four children, and i believe in marriage. i believe that if god blesses us with children. >> larry: it could never be same, could it? >> it could never be the same, but i do believe -- i do believe people can rebuild themselves. i believe people can repent and have a humble spirit and really make -- i believe that with work you can make it better, yeah. >> larry: he was listed at times as a presidential possibility in the sweepstakes. now with his career ruined, where does he go from here? he's going to finish his term apparently. there's no impeachment is there? >> no, the impeachment has passed. it sounds like he will finish his term through the rest of the year. i don't know what his future holds. he has a lot of soul-searching to do. i hope he gets back to his grounding and he figures some things out if for no other reason than the sake of our kids. boys need to see their dad make amends and make things right. >> larry: did you have a good financial settlement?
is that all that taken care of? >> we're still working on that and keeping that private. >> larry: that's your own business. why didn't he resign? some say you helped him stay in office. i want a quote from south carolina's newspaper "the state." they reported the following. quote, jenny stepped to his defense by publicly saying she was willing to forgive him and privately assuring key lawmakers the sanfords could get past their problems while the governor finished his term. you helped him stay in office. why? >> i don't know that that's necessarily a correct assessment. i put out a statement that i was going to forgive him, but i don't know that i privately spoke and encouraged lawmakers. i was dealing with my own personal situation with the kids. >> larry: so that item is wrong? >> i believe i spoke to two close friends that are associated with the legislature, but that's not in any way, shape or form urging the legislators. i stayed out of it, and i know i made a couple of very bold
>> larry: we're back with jenny sanford. i asked if she liked being first lady. you said no. >> you're going to get me in trouble back in south carolina. first lady is an interesting job. it's a job that, you know, you don't get paid. you can't be fired, although i guess i'm about to fire myself by divorcing my husband.
it comes -- there's some parts of it that are wonderfully enriching and gratifying because so many people write you notes, they see you and support you in anything you do, but there are a lot of expectations. i'm not a southerner. there's a -- you oversee the governor's mansion. there's a lot that comes with the house. you support your husband in whatever he does. we have a tight budget. you have to manage the budget. >> larry: do they feel they own you? >> a lot of people feel they voted for your husband and the event is very important, and can you please be at their event. when you're juggling four kids, it can be a lot. >> larry: can get to you after a while. >> it's a real job. the flipside is there's opportunity to do great things. you show up at a charity event or you stop by the local children's hospital or, you know, help out at a homeless shelter, and they're so happy you're there. or you can talk about things that are near and dear to your heart, and actually make a difference. that part of it is gratifying, but it's a juggle especially at my stage in life with young
children. >> larry: you got to see a lot of racy e-mails he sent, though, right? >> i saw the same ones in the paper that everybody saw. >> larry: what did that do to you? >> it ripped me up, if for no other reason, you don't want your children reading that either. >> larry: did they? >> they did, yes. you don't really believe in -- if the world out there knows that kind of stuff and kids in their class are reading it, i'm not so sure i shouldn't let them read it. i believe letting them be aware what's out there to deal with. i remember seeing two of them reading some of those on the web, and i said read them and turn it off and go outside and play. >> larry: you're supposed to not knock your spouse to your children in a divorce. that's the general advice, right? >> right. mark and i are getting along beautifully right now. i don't knock him in front of the kids at all, but at the same time they were reading the e-mails he wasn't around. i don't think you can keep that from them. >> larry: what does he think of the book? >> he hasn't read it yet, so i don't know. >> larry: one would think he would have been the first one to read it. >> perhaps he knows the story.
>> larry: good line. your parents are living? >> they are. >> larry: what do they think of this? >> they're heart-broken. nobody wants this for their little girl or their big girl. i mean, it's just -- they were believers in mark. the sad part of all this is mark had a serious following. family, friends, people all across our state and he was gaining a following in our nation. he is a stalwart and a stalwart and taken a strong stance against runaway government spending, debts and deficits. he's been that way for 15 years. it's rare to see a politician stick to his guns in that manner, and he attracted a following and people were disheartened with this. >> larry: he was extraordinarily f frugal. he made you return a diamond necklace. he didn't feel it was worth it. >> he was in congress so he
ordered it from a friend through the phone. when he came home, he must have envisioned he bought me the hope diamond based on what he spent on it. when he saw it on my neck and said i hope you kept the box and he took it back. i wasn't offended by it you have to remember bh he w to remember he called and faxed clues to the basement and the kids went on a scavenger hunt around the house. it was sweet. because i know how enganled in him this stuff is, we were married a number of years, i didn't take it personally. he's frugal to the core. >> larry: isn't that hard to live with? >> you learn to fight the battles you really care about. as long as i can peacefully coexist with him without him getting into every financial decision i made, we got around it. it worked out fine. >> larry: did he complain about a credit card you might use? >> he would complain about overall -- i learned to get him to focus on the bigger picture. the overall household spending instead of every little bill, and it worked. >> larry: what do you think he's
going to do? >> i don't know. it depends on what he does to get himself back in touch with his values. i believe he's focused in the right way in terms of finding a path going forward. i don't know what that path is. nothing would surprise me. i wouldn't be surprised if two years from now he's driving says a tractor and i wouldn't be surprised if he was traipsing the country with pork and barrel, the two pigs. he really wakes up passionate every day about government spending. nothing would surprise me. >> larry: would it rock you if he married the argentinian? >> it probably wouldn't, because i come to peace with myself. it's time for me to move on. >> larry: would you want your boys to know her? >> i can't answer that, because i don't know her. i don't hold her in very high regard given what's happened here. so i'm not so sure that i'd be pleased with it, but i would certainly would accept it it. >> larry: we're back with jenny sanford. i don't think there's anyone like her. the book is "staying true." we'll be right back. it can happen anytime,
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sanford today, and she's been saying in a number of different ways that her husband has lost his way, that he's lost his values, that he must be confused. i'm just wondering, as hard as it may be to accept, are you just saying these things to make yourself feel better? in other words, that he just must be crazy? i guess my question is, is it possible for a man or woman to fall out of love with their spouse and fall in love with someone else, and maybe that's the case here? if it is the case, should a person stay in a marriage if they've been married 20 years and have four children? >> no. i actually agree with you that it is -- i think it is possible for a man -- i think it's certainly possible that he just felt completely out of love with me and fell in love with somebody else. but the honorable thing to do would be to say i'm not in love with you, and i'm going to marry this other woman. that's not what he said. so he's asking for permission,
and then i want to stay married to you is not really -- that's -- it's the sign of somebody that -- i'm saying that he's lost because i believe that. it's really on an emotional level. i've also been asked should he sdaish does he have the capacity to continue to govern, and i believe he does. i don't think he's lost his way at all in the things much more straightforward to him. i used the term in the book i watched him become empty inside, and that's something that maybe happens to politicians over time. you spend so much time speaking in sound bites and ripped up by enemies and the press, and then seeking the stroking that comes with the add lags that comes with certain members of the press, the whole process can actually make you feel empty or confused. i'm saying that honestly, i'm not saying it in a derogatory way. >> larry: well said. let's check in with anderson cooper back in haiti. he'll host "ac 360" at the top
of the hour. why are you back? >> larry, there's still so much going on here, and there's he been so much attention over the last week. we were part of it, focusing on ten american missionaries, and it's a fascinating story and there's new developments tonight. the real story of what is happening here in haiti, a story largely going unreported and has dropped out of the headlines is what is still happening here on a daily basis. there's still nearly half a mill people here living on the streets tonight, many of them are hungry just a few blocks from here. a few moments ago we found a young girl with an infection and burning out. we were told if she doesn't he make it to the hospital second die within the next 48 hours. it seems like much of the world has moved away from what is happening here, but the situation here remains dire and desperate, and there are so many people in need here. so sanjay gupta and i decided to come back and continue to focus and continue telling the story of what's going on here, larry,
every single day. >> larry: you'll cover that at the top of the hour. anything else you're on top of? >> we're looking to sarah palin's comment this is weekend and talk to james carville and mary matalin about the remarkable super bowl. our focus tonight is on haiti, the swag on the groupd and the reality of what people here are facing right now. >> larry: that's anderson cooper, amazingly enough on top of the scene in haiti. back with some more moments with jenny sanford after this. [ male announcer ] this is nine generations
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>> larry: back with jenny sanford, our remaining moments. you must feel for elizabeth edwards sf. >> i do. >> fellow carolinian? >> yeah. nobody deserves to be put in this situation, and she's had a couple of knocks. my heart goes out to her. >> larry: would you call her? >> i would. i haven't. i mean, i'd be happy to. i think i'm going to send her a book. >> larry: you ought to. what is your future? what are you going to do? you're 47, right? >> i don't know. i still have kids at home, and this last year has been quite
mult y tumultuous for them. i'm going to spend the rest of the year, we have a senior graduating from high school and looking to get to college. >> larry: where's he going to go? >> i don't know yet. he wants to go to virginia. he got accepted at georgetown. >> larry: your school? >> of course, i'm pulling for georgetown, but i don't know. we might have to work on it. >> larry: would you like to see any of them going into politics? >> i would rather not, but they know politics. i'm always trying to teach them a little capitalism on the side. i'm trying to balance their world a little bit, but we'll see. you want your kids to do what's right for them. if they're meant to be in politics, i wouldn't stop them. >> larry: you came from the world of finance. would you go back to it? >> i would consider it, although i like living in south carolina. i think i'm going to think carefully about what i do next. i might slowly get into something. maybe i'll do a couple of little things in the next couple of years, and when they're in college maybe i'll get into
somebody full time. >> you're supporting someone for governor. >> i've endorsed an indian american woman. she's bright and articulate. she wants to reform the good old boy system that held mark back. in south carolina the governor is not very strong. a lot of things need to be reformed. >> is it a crowded group? >> there's a handful of folks. >> larry: maybe they wouldn't want mark's endorsement. >> i think he'll stay out of it. >> larry: you wouldn't get into politics? >> i have no interest. i think i've done my time. >> mrs. sanford i'm sorry for the pain you faced. i'm wondering, i never heard your opinion clearly. do you think he should resign? i heard you don't think he should, but when he pled for visiting the mistress, was that a plea for plural marriage?
i'm kind of unclear? >> i respect your question, but i have -- booiven in the asked in the past whether i think he should resign, particularly right when he came back from african-american. i'm staying out of that. my focus is my children and my family. i'm going to leave it at that. >> larry: but in shaming the marriage, he shamed the office, too, didn't he? >> he did shame the office, but you know, i'm not the one to judge whether he should resign or be impeached. i'm focused where my priorities are, which is where they should be. >> how do you like going on and talking about a book? >> you know, it's different. >> larry: how do you like talking about your life? >> it's very different. i didn't open the can of worms and introduce it to the country. since it's out there, if i can be helpful to others by being open and honest to inspire other women to get up and move in or gracefully deal with the damages in their lap and the values that matter then it will open up as a
success. >> have you heard from a lot of people? >> i have. i've been encouraged by a number of people who followed my story or even people who have read the book it's it's been out. >> larry: you have brothers and sisters? >> two brothers and two sisters. >> larry: now do they treat you and deal with all of this. >> you can't survive without family and friends. my parents and sisters have been there with you. everybody has been supportive, and you need that in any trial in your life. you need to keep good relationships with your family and lie on yir friendships and really close girlfriends and your faith. you need steadfast faith and cultivate those over the years. >> larry: they must have bitter feelings? >> some are more bitter than others. we want to be happy as we can so they're enveloped in a sense of love going forward. >> i give you a lot of credit. >> larry: jenny is still