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amazon.com yesterday at number two. so we're really happy about that. >> larry: well, emgoing to be the first one online tomorrow. thank you, guys. i salute you all! >> thank you, larry. >> happy anniversary. >> larry: we owe you -- thank you we owe you a great debt. 4troops, on an exclusive with t.i. is tomorrow night, mick jagger is here tuesday. right now it's anderson cooper and "ac 360." thanks. the arizona uproar, this time over what school kids are learning allegations that latino pupils are taught to resent other races and to even overthrow the u.s. government. does it sound absurd? well, state legislators says the threat is real enough to pass a new law against it. the question is do they have a shred of evidence? we're keeping them honest. also tonight for the first time in your face pictures what a 5,000-a-day barrel oil spill looks like. why are calling their backup plan clogging the leak with golf balls and junk. worse than a bad joke.
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a crime story that isn't what it seemed. apletes sergeant shot patrol. he blamed a black man in a neighborhood but he was lying. the truth was something entirely. first up though, keeping them honest. politicians in arizona now targeting ethnic studies classes in schools. first it was that make president obama show his birth certificate bill which failed and then the law giving police broad discretion to stop suspected illegal immigrants that passed, and now house bill 2281, this a copy of it right here. arizona's governor jan brewer signed it very quietly late yesterday. i want to show you some of what this new law says over here on the wall. as i said it's hb-2281. it bars any school district or charter school from including in its curriculum kidnap courses or classes that, one, promote the overthrow of the united states government, promote recent toward a race or class of people, or designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals. now, certainly the first two
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seem pretty straightforward, not have a i mean who wants a class that teaches kids to overthrow the united states government or resent a race or group of people? but is design a class for kids of a particular ethnic group wrong? is advocating ethnic pride or solidarity wrong? well, arizona's superintendent, a public education tom horne, this man right here, says the bill was aimed at tucson's chicano mexican-american studies program, which he says, is teaching kids that they are victims, and that they should be "angry and rise up." he says it's teaching "destructive ethnic chauvin. i." tucson school board president says the school board does none of that and what the bill outlaws. superintendent horne's going to join us in just a moment and so will socialiologist michael dyson. before that though the fact is whatever you think of this law and the new immigration law, arizona's paying a price for their recent laws. just today the los angeles city council passed a boycott resolution barring l.a. from doing business with arizona till the immigration law's repealed.
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a law, it's resolution calls racial profiling. arizona's governor now strongly disagrees. california's governor, meantime, kind of take a swipe over at arizona today. listen. >> i was to go and give a commencement speech in arizona, but were worried were going to deport me back to austria. so i canceled that idea right away. >> all right let's dig deeper now in this fight over ethnic studies with tom horne whom we mention a moment ago and also socialiologist michael eric dyson. i appreciate both of you beings with. tom why shouldn't black literature, chicano literature, specific courses designed to introduce kids to other point of views be taught. >> the standards that we prommel gate require that all social studies classes teach different cultures. we want all kids to be exposed to a lot of different cultures but what i'm opposed is dividing kids up so they have raza
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studies for the chick an open kids. means race in spanish. asian studies for the asian kids. >> but what's wrong with that? if an african-american kid wants a class that you know has a focus on african-american studies, what's wrong with that? >> what's wrong with it is it divides students up by race and i believe that one of the principle ideas of the american public school system is we bring kids together and we treat -- teach them to treat each other as individuals. what matters about a person is, what does he know, what can he do, what's his character or hers? not what race was he born into. and one of our important functions to teach kids from different backgrounds to teach each other as individuals, and not to infuse them weapon ethnic chauvin. i about a particular race and teach them narrowly just about the background and culture of the raceta they'd been born into but teach them about different cultures, races and traditions and not divide them up by race i think that's really backwards. >> michael you've taught a course like this at georgetown. mr. horne's basically saying
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look, these classes are teaching these kids that they'd been oppressed and it creatings anger and hatred he said. >> it's ironic, to me, first of all mr. horne doesn't see the contributions in terms because he's targeted this law towards it chicano studies so he's targeted a racial subgroup and racial group. for this program. number two what's interesting is that ethnic studies are rife are in american studies. polish, irish, italian, white, european, western and eastern european identities that are the basis of ethnic identity and what constitutes american history. if there was an integration of chickana studies of african-american studies of latino studies of gay and lesbian studies into the broader curriculum there would be no need to have these subgroupings and these subcultural paid for these particular formation. thirdly, i teach classes all of the time at georgetown and before at depaul university and most of my students happen to be
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non -- people who are not students of color. so they happen to be african-american, but they also have to be latinoa, asian-americans and white americans. i think that white americans benefit from chickana studies. i think that white americans benefit from chickana studies. and finally, if we're talking about american history and shying away from the history of oppression we're not talking about american history. i live in washington, d.c., right next doort governor of virginia failed to mention that slavery was a critical part of the civil war. this is why we need these area studies to remind us the true history of america and i think that mr. horne would agree that when we tell the truth about american history the blood, the glory, the hardships and all of that needs to be told along with the great celebration of american democracy. >> mr. horne, a to respond to. i've got to take a quick break. gentlemen, stay with us. continue the conversation on the other sisted break. live chat up and running right now at ac360.com. join in on the conversation. suddenly the obama white
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the republican party today chose tampa, st. petersburg florida, for its 2012 presidential convention over salt lake city and phoenix. rnc chairman michael steele denying that immigration law played a part in the decision. other organizations, though, making it very playing, citing the new law, the climate they say creates and taking business elsewhere. all in all, according to the arizona hotel and lodging
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association, 23 meetings, worth about $10 million worth in business, have so far been canceled because of the immigration law and now in curriculum law. tom horne, arizona's superintendent, public instruction and socologist michael eric dyson. you said chicano studies teaching kids making them oppressed, and angry. shouldn't kids learn that. >> well, let me say that i didn't say that i was quoting former teacher who said that. we have testimony from a number of teaches and former teachers about the radical separatist agenda that the raza studies program has. >> you did say -- you did say that actually in your arguments that you published as an open lert to the people of tucson. >> yes, i was quoting a teacher. so it wasn't from -- i wasn't just asserting it. we had quotations from a witness that -- >> but you believe that. why do you believe that? i mean, shouldn't -- shouldn't -- if there has been a history of oppression which most people say there has, why shouldn't that be taught. >> the textbook they use called
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the prodigy of the oppressed. a well-known communist. i've read the book. and these kid's parents and grandparents came to this, this country most of them legally because this is the land of opportunity an they trust their children to our schools and we should be teaching these kids that this is the land of opportunity and if they work hard they can achieve their dreams and not teach them that they're oppressed. in fact one of the girls from it's they setup. >> so is there no racism today? i mean -- and is that something that should not be discussed. >> that's not predominant atmosphere of america. america's the land of opportunity and we should be teaching the kids that this is the land of opportunity and not teach them the downer that they're oppressed and that they can't get anywhere. they should be angry against their government. they should be angry against the country. there's what the teaches are saying, their observation is going on in this raza study's program. in fact i brought a picture that you might want to show that shows the revolutionary guard that they were when they protested against bilaw with masks, sunglasses, beret, brown
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shirts. this is a revolutionary program which is an absolute abuse of taxpayer money to do that in public schools. and we had -- there was a girl -- they set up a bunch of students who testified at legislateaur the girl was testifying and the state senator said count learn these things in other courses and she said no now that i took the course i realize that i'm oppressed. >> michael, what about this. >> well this is ludacris. the correct pronunciation of the philosopher talked about the pedogoggy. you can talk about michelle, a frenchman. many people who talk about oppression and the release from oppression. in effect, anderson, the history america is to seek relief from the oppression of the british so we could establish this country, so we're teaching relief from oppression when we talk about the relief from the british. but more specifically, this is ludicrous it assume that the entire history and culture of a people can be reduced to
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responses to white supremacy, social injustice and inequality. we've fought those battles but we've made america better. when martin luther king marched, that should be taught. because he fought against the principles and practices of prejudice so that the ideals of democracy could become real. cesar chavez when he fought for the worker's rights there in california, needs to be -- that that story needs to be told so that americans can understood. >> but michael, when people see that picture you know kids dressed up in khaki garb, that's going to concern some people. >> i understand that. i don't eye don't mind people being crit calf certain aspects but that's like saying the tea party movement that's out now that's thats had racist portrayals of president obama should be wiped out altogether. and i'm sure that people say no, legitimate points to be made but those racist elements must be dealt with. i understand why it would be problematic but radical separatism has been pradby american government. the most radcally separatist
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organization in this country has been the american government. so now we want to -- not deny the legitimacy of telling people the truth, we want to say, bring the truth in the open so we can understand the greatness of this country but we can't do so by pretending that the ugliness did not exist. >> so, tom, what about that? i mean are you throwing the baby out with the bathwater? and why not change the curriculum. >> you know i was on that march in washington in summer of 1963 just graduated from high school where martin luther king gave his famous speech. and that has been my most fundamental belief my entire life that we are individuals. we are not exemplars of the race we were born into, and this philosophy that's preached by this program in tucson and by your other guest that's a race-obsessed philosophy and it's a downer philosophy. teach people oppressed, make them angry, make it so that they don't have hope for their future. >> let me finish -- let me jump in. let me jump in too. i'm saying it's not about you. you keep saying downer. look a downer that people are oppressed, people that are people are depressed, a downer
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that people suffer injustice. >> you should not be teaching then. >> hold on. we have to deal with -- how many stories have we told about benjamin frankin. how many stories have we told about the founding fathers and brothers? and tell the truth about thomas jefferson. a great american, he wrote the declaration -- i mean the declaration of independence -- also one of the authors and also a slaveholder. let's tell the truth about the downer to sally hemings and tell the full truth about thomas jefferson and the full arch of philosophy. and first oppressed and then we get mad when say oppressed. and then we deny them. this is part of american history. >> tom, response. >> american history to all of the kids and we can show both sides of issues when we teach history to all of the kids but don't divide them by race and teach the black kids black history, the chicano kids chicano history the asian kids asian history. they should all be exposed to the history. >> absolutely. >> should be kept out of our schools that kids should be put in courses where they only learn
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about the history of the race they happened to be born into. the wrong philosophy. >> if you had been demoralized and degraded and your history had not be taught why do we need a special class? deal with the profound and sophisticated contributions of chicano people to american society. once that happens -- >> we have that in our standard. >> wait a minute a. >> all of the kids -- >> once that happens and then when we integrate the full arc of the contributions of demoralized and degrated peoples into the curriculum and then we won't need that and until that time. >> i have to jump in here. tom, a lot of your critics say look this is about politics. you're running for attorney general. your term is up as superintendent. is that true that you're running for attorney general. >> yes that's true i'm running for attorney general. i've served eight schools and that's all that's allowed. >> trying to appeal to potential voters. >> i've been fighting if thlaw for four years and this is among my most deeply held beliefs. i mentioned that march in washington where martin luther king gave his speech.
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i believe very deeply that people are individuals. they're not exemplars of the race they were born into. and this race-obsessed philosophy that your other guest is expounding. >> sir. >> going on in tucson is wrong for the american i believe. >> it's not racist and first of all you repeated that statement earlier and it's a great line. the reality is martin luthir king say -- continue to shake the foundation of this nation. full citizenship rights. he talked about the bitter leg avenues white supremacy before he began to talk about that dream and then he said that in america it's an ideal toward which we shall strive but in the meantime we should adjust to the reality that we have some negative realities that we should adjust to and that we should address and i think that martin luther king jr. cannot be used to justice xeno phobic and racist passions that are designed up. >> i would say that the xeno phobia and racist is on your side. >> no, i don't want to keep anybody out. i want. >> you want to divide kids by race. >> no, i want white kids to learn about chicano people.
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i want white kids to learn about african-american. >> inspired us all by saying judged by the content of our character and not by the color of our skin and that's what we should be teaching in our public schools. >> one at a time because bothates time and no one's going to lift seen in michael, finish up. now you must raise them up. martin luther king jr. cannot be taken out of context and you cannot use one speech as if froze nim1963 as if what he said in 1968 where he was bitterly opposed to the practices of what america was doing in the name of freedom and democracy. that's tradition i think that the people who support chicano studies in arizona are carrying forward. >> tom, short and then we have to go. >> okay it's not out of context to say he's inspired us with the idea that we should be judged as individuals. what can k we do? what is our character? not race were we born into. don't divide kids by race. don't propagandized. >> right. >> teach them this that this is
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the land of opportunity where if they work hard they can achieve their dreams and teach them american history. tom, just for accurate sake, anyone can take the classes. >> anyone can take the classes but designed primarily for the african-american, the chicano. >> tom horne, michael eric dyson. look at this new video released today by bp showing the leak blasting oil into the gulf of mexico. the truth is bp has no idea how to shop anytime soon. planning to shove golf balls into the valve. it sounds far fetched. we'll also talk with congressman ed markey who had blasted bp for their lack of planning. one of the violent outposts in afghanistan. what he saw and sees for the war ahead. the
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well 2 thedays after the explosion that caused the gulf oil spill bp released video today finally giving the world its first look at leaking well a mile under water. take a look. 210,000 gallons per day looks like. efforts to stop the spill with a four-story-tall containment dome
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that failed last week. since then bp which owns the well, offered a bunch of ideas for stopping the leak and frankly they seem half-baked. some are calling the junk shot which involves shooting old golf balls, tires, rubber, cement into the leak. talking about golf balls and tires. so that got us thinking if that's best bp can do, maybe you can do better. so we posed the question on our blog, what some of you came up, some solutions. gayle in massachusetts writes -- gayle, it's a good thought actually and going to hear in a moment they're actually going to try to use hair to soap up the oil on the suffer us. mary from philadelphia says "i suggest creating in essence giant robotic pliers that would squeeze the leak closed."
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and cathy wondered what about the shamwow. i'm not sure that the shamwow guy is really ready to do that. i think he had ran into problems a while back. found this video online showing how a hay soaks up oil added to a pan of water, so well that maybe hay might look. take a look. >> that's pretty -- >> what kind of grass. >> hay grass. just regular hay. it's hay that farmers can use. >> okay. >> that we can use. >> okay. >> don't pay any attention to what is on the echlkt bowl. now look at this water. look at this water. >> wow. >> awesome. maybe -- maybe someone should show bp the oil. top executives were back on capitol hill today along with officials from two other companies involved in the spill. congressman ed mark from massachusetts pressed hard on all of the companies. i talked to him earlier. congressman, bp is now talking
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about shoving a bunch of rope and rubber and cement and golf balls into a valve to try to plug the leak. i mean, it would -- it sounds almost like a joke, but it's obviously deadly, serious. it kind of makes one think, do these guys really have any idea what to do. >> i think that they're making it up as they go along. i think that most people believe that this is a very sophisticated industry with a r very deaf command of technology, but in fact as they think about old rubber tires and golf balls to be shot down into this leak, we realize that we're really not talking about m.i.t. here. we're really talking about the pga. i mean they're doing things that you would think someone out on the backyard would be thinking of doing. not an industry with the level of revenues and research capacity, which obviously has not resulted in a system of safety being put in place which
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can guarantee that this leak can be shutdown. >> yeah, i read something,u said something like you expect it to be like the "apollo" project but it's more like "project runway." >> it is more like "project runway." they are now take nylon stockings and beginning to fill them with hair as a way of sopping up the oil out in the gulf. and i think most people would have thought at this late date, that it would be more like the "apollo" project that it wouldn't be nylons and hair and i think it's very discouraging obviously for the people who live down in the gulf, but it's dismaying i think to every american to think that this is the level of response to such a catastrophic event that the oil industry can provide. >> how much of this was a failure of oversight on the part of government officials? >> i think that there was an assumption that an accident could not happen.
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i think that bp kept saying, don't worry, an accident cannot happen. and in this instance, boosterism led to complacency and complacency told a disaster. >> and clearly yesterday we saw in testimony, i mean they're all pointing fingers at each other. bp at transocean. transocean at halty burton. halliburton back at transocean. transocean back at bp. do you believe what these guys say? i mean were you satisfied with the testimony yesterday? did they seem apologetic enough? did they see humble at all to you? >> i did not detect the level of humility, which i think they should have. and they're each saying the same thing in terms of who is ultimately culpable as far as this historic mess. >> i mean what happens now? i mean, when do you think this oil's going to stop leaking? can anybody say that the point? >> no one has any idea when this leak is going to ultimately be plugged. if the golf balls don't work, if the rubber tires don't work, if
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this new top hat which the they're trying to lower down into the ocean doesn't work, it will be months before a new drill can reach this pipe and cut it off but that's months from now if none of these interim, temporary emergency measures continue to fail. >> it's -- it's stunning and just incredibly -- incredibly -- well it's incredibly stunning. congressman ed markey i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you, sir, thank you for having me on. still ahead, what's behind a wave of gruesome deadly attacks on school kids in china? the attackers armed with knives, even a cleaver. what's being done to stop them. and plus the big "ac 360" interview. we found another kind of perfect storm. ♪
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horrific story out of china tonight where a man with a kitchen clever stormed a kindergarten killing a teacher and seven students, five boys, two girls, another 11 kids were wound. police say the attacker went home and killed himself but death toll continue to mount. the teacher's mother also
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wounded in the attack. later died at the hospital. senior international correspondent john vause joins us now from -- from lincheng village in china are this took place. stormed the classroomt, killed all of these people including a number of kids. he went home and killed himself. what would be the motivation behind this attack and it's not the first one that china has seen, right? >> yeah, that's right, anderson. look we've spoken to neighbors who were in the same street as the kindergartener and they say the morning of the attack, wu huanming seemed perfectly fine. he lived on the same street just a few doors up. there is a preliminary police report which indicates there is some kind of dispute between wu and the owners of kindergartner. he wanted him out of building at end of april because their lease was up. they wanted to stay until the end the school year until july but hardly that seems like enough motivation to hack five little boys, two little girls
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and two women to death, anderson. >> and again this is not the first time this has happened. happened several times already. i mean it's kind of an unthinkable crime and to have it done multiple times, what's being done about it? >> reporter: yeah, this is the sixth time, an attack like this has happened. all across china since march 23rd. there are similarities. the attackers are being middle-aged men, through them according to state media suffering some kind of mental illness but a bigger narrative in all of this, that some kind of problem within chinese society. a society which is widely seen as being corrupt. if you have a problem, a grievance you can't go to the courts because you won't get justice. there's no voting here. you can't protest. there's no freedom of expression. and so there's this frustration and this anger build. there's no way to vent. there's no pressure valve and so people will snap and they can't target government or party officials because they're surround by too much security. so that leaves women and children and you find women and children at kindergartens and at
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elementary schools and middle schools and they're just self-targets, anderson. >> anything being done? are they putting police if all of the schools? probably don't have enough manpower for that. >> reporter: well, this country does have a lot of manpower and in recent weeks the central government has ordered a big ramp-up in security at all schools across mainland china. this was a privately run kindergarten so it appears no security guard in place. officials here in this county have ordered a review of security at all schools starting today. but what's also happening is that government sensors have clamped down this story ordering all state-run media on mainland china to only run with the official count coming out of xinhua news agency and the reason for that they're concerned that any widespread media coverage on the attacks like this may incite copycat attack, more attacks on kids at schools across the country, anderson. >> just stunning. john vause, i appreciate report. thanks, john. coming up sebastian.
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the author/journalist followed a single platoon in one of afghanistan's most dangerous outpost. tonight he's the first "360" bull ten. >> a 10-year-old dutch boy is the sole survivor of a plane crash today that killed 103 people in tripoli. the libyan jetliner crashed minutes before landing after a seven-hour flight johannesburg. the boy is recuperating. walmart today pledged $2 billion to food banks to fight hunger in the u.s. government reports show nearly 15% of all families lacked adequate nutrition in 2008. the highest level in more than ten years. south carolina governor mark sanford today confirmed reports he spent last weekend in florida with his argentine lover. while he didn't mention the woman by name, sanford admitted he was trying to rekindle that love affair that recked his marriage and nearly cost him his office. the affair was discovered last june when sanford disappeared
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meeting in washington today president obama and afghan president hamid karzai played down reports of tensions between them, to say the least. mr. obama's says he's confident to meet its self-imposed deadline to withdraw troops from snaun july 2011.
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but he also said the united states is there for the long hall. >> we're not finished with afghanistan. in fact to the contrary part of what i've tried to emphasize to president cars y and the afghan people but also to the american people is this a long-term partnership. >> in its ninth year has fallen since 2009. americans are now basically split on the issue with about half in favor and half opposed. author and journalist sebatian has watched the war play out up close in his new book "war." platoon duty in one of the most dangerous regions in the count row. spent months with him. i spoke with sebastian young for tonight's "360" interview. what was so unique about this place in the valley that you knew you wanted to writes a book about it. >> the first time that i was with one unit. the five one-month trips over the course of the year and i became accepted into this platoon.
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i was at this outpost, named after the platoon medic, and it was very remote up on this ridge. attacked constantly. there were days when i was there, four, five firefights in one dayp but i think that the unit been the through something like 500 firefights in the year that they were there. it was very remote. airpower was 45 minutes away. the nearest base was two hours away by foot. you were on your own out there. >> some of the men theriled mean they would sleep with their rifle, sleep with their boots on the threat of attack was that constant. >> there were times when guys slept with their boots on. they always had their rifles near them. everyone was ready to go literally within 30 seconds but everyone out there knew that getting overrun and everyone killed at a small base was an absolute possibility and so everyone slept -- no one slept very well. >> we were in a marine patrol base called jaker in hel man province last september and that was small but nothing compared to the outpost that you were out and i don't think that people understand just the conditions that our troops are dealing with
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on a daily basis particularly in an outpost like the one that you were out. >> no running water no, cooked food no, internet no, phone. the men would go a month at a time without bathing. they would wear their uniforms until they literally fell thbody the and burn them and put on new uniforms. once a month they got to go down to the main base and call their girlfriend and take a shower and have a hot meal and they'd go back up and they did this for a year. >> one of the chaptners your book is called "love," and i mean you're really writing about the bond between brothers out in the field. >> a lot of these guys came from restrippo and it was a terrible place, right? and they all missed it. i think one of the things they miss it's not taranchulas and the heat and the flees and it's not the adlin of combat. i think what they miss is being necessary to other people and that really is kind of intoxicating. and that's essentially what my book is about. >> there's also something very -- i mean obviously real about what is happening when you're in an environment like that. i mean it's life and death. it's all stripped away. everything is stripped away.
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and it seems like for a lot of troops a lot of people who've been over there when you come back regular life is much more complicated. >> there aren't as many absolutes in civilian life. like if you don't tie your shoes you might trip, big deal. no one on that doesn't matter, right? up there i saw a private, acost another private, say, man tie your shoes. if we get hit ru no now and you trip i could get killed so tie your damn shows so when these guys come back from that they cannot tie their shoes, nothing has consequences. >> how is killing more complicated than we think. >> i think there's a moral revulsion of killing in humans. i mean this is just my opinion. that gets suspended when your friends are getting killed and when they killed enemy fighters they would cheer and i asked about that because it seemed like kind of an ugly sentiment. like i understood the need to kill but not the need to cheer and the guy said to me listen the guy that we killed an hour ago in the firefight that's not one guy who will not kill my best friend out here and that's
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what i'm cheering. i'm cheering that one of us will live not that he die. and when you put it like that, suddenly you understand this dynamic that keeps war going and of course the other side's doing the same thing. >> you focus on one -- one guy in particular a guy named brendon. why him? what was it about him that drew you. >> brendon o'beirne. he was a really good soldier. and he was also -- he had a pretty troubled background as a kid. the army kind of straightened him out, kind of saved him. he was a very, very good soldier. he thought about, like the right and wrong of the war, what it means to kill people, what it means to love people, like he really thought about those things. i had these really -- very -- very lengthy profound conversations with him about what it means to go to war, to be at war, to be in combat. he was also the only guy in the platoon who got out of the army. >> what was that transition like for him getting out? >> it was terrifically hard for him. i mean they came back -- the unit came back to vecina, italy
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where they were based. never in combat ordering these guys around who fought for a year and they absolutely hated that and that triggered a real crisis in brendon. he felt that the -- that their efforts were not honored with -- even within the military on the base that they were getting ordered around and by the -- by these very petty rules and so he really went into some very self-destructive behavior and i think he was -- i mean he's okay now but for about a year i would say he was probably in more danger to himself at home than he was in the valley. >> what you saw in the valley, did it change the way that you looked at the war in afghanistan? >> that's a complicated question. i mean i was not prepared for the amount of combat that i was going to see. i was not prepared for that. i didn't know that that was happening in afghanistan. >> right and most places you go they say look it's not as connecticut that's word that hey ten to use it's not as kinetic but there was it was. >> there it was the 1/5 it was taking place.
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in the korengal valley. 1/5. amazing. but it did -- you know the last time i'd been in a afghanistan was in '05, before that it was 2001 when the u.s. toppled the taliban. and i remember walking down the street in kabul getting hugged by afghans because i was american. that's changed. that goodwill has really diminished and the war's gone on too long, too many mistakes were made and the afghans are now i think souring a little bit, and that -- so i've seen that transition, and that's a very, very painful thing for me. >> the mission has changed stanley mcchrystal, much more protecting population centers and therefore the importance of korengal valley. >> the pullout was emotionally very complicated for the soldiers. it was very painful. i mean they don't want anymore americans to die there, almost 50 americans died in the korengal. it was also very painful for them to watch the video online on youtube of restrippo being destroyed by american force.
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brendan o'beirne said to some of his friends he said look it's a base, it's a military base. we all knew eventually the u.s. army would pull out of there. what we did up there was for each other. we fought and we riskd our lives and some of us died out there for each other. and you can't take that away. you can't erase that. in every war and this one included, there are nameless hilltops that don't have any obvious strategic value. and soldiers wind up fighting for those places, and not even knows why they're fighting for this little hilltop and what they do emotionally -- at least the guys that you i was with was they say to themselves maybe this hilltop didn't mean anything when we got here but we spent a year fight for example this, our brothers died for this place and now it has means we gave it meaning. >> the book is "war." thank you very much. >> thank you. >> you can join the live chat. still ahead a massive manhunt in philadelphia after a cop is shot but suspect never found. an investigators say they now
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tonight in "crime and punish am" shame of a philadelphia police officer who'd claimed he'd been shot but when the clues didn't add up the case got really ugly. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: it was 4:00 in the morning when philadelphia when the radio call came in. cop shot. a white police sergeant said he'd been shot by a black man. officers responded in force.
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an all-out search of the african-american neighborhood in philadelphia's 19th precinct, where sergeant robert roston said it all went down. the sergeant told the story this way. he'd come across two black men along the railroad tracks on the morning of april 5th. one ran away, he said. the other pointed a silver revolver at his head. he knocked it away, he said, but it fired anyway. and the bullet grazed his left shoulder. he also said he fired one shot, but wasn't sure if he'd struck the suspect. police gave thanks, their man had survived. tragedy averted, they said. the white cop described the shooter this way. dark skin, braided hair, and a tattoo next to his eye. but police never found the black shooter or anyone matching that description. and now more than a month later, we know why. the real story, the two black men that the cop said he'd encountered never existed. philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey says sergeant
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roston made the whole thing up. >> it was clear to us soon after it took place that this simply was just not true. just the evidence just didn't support the story he was giving. >> reporter: but wait, what about the sergeant's shoulder wound? the commissioner says sergeant roston actually shot himself. which may be why, he said, he got off one shot at the suspect. an explanation as to why his gun had been fired. >> a test was run on his shirt. the powder on the shirt matched the same kind of ammunition we use in the department. >> reporter: that's right, the gunpowder on the sergeant's shirt was the same kind his own weapon used. and there's more. the angle at which the bullet struck him didn't square with his story either, says the commissioner. we tried to ask sergeant roston to explain, but outside his home, he dodged our cameras and ducked inside. >> can you tell us why you did that, sir?
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>> reporter: neighbors called the sergeant's actions a sad statement. >> i can't believe that he would really do something like that, that's really uncalled for. ever since i've been listen he's really been antisocial around this area. >> reporter: what's unclear is why sergeant roston. would make up such a wild tale. did he finally admit he finally shot himself on purpose. the police commissioner says he may have done it for a job transfer or maybe for attention but that the sergeant didn't give a reason. the police commissioner calls this a "terrible and embarrassing chapter in the department's history." >> the fact that he stated the two african-americans involves in this i think inflames tensions in our community. something that we certainly do not need. >> reporter: sergeant has been suspended with pay. the commissioner says he will be fired. he was given immunity in exchange for his confession so
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he doesn't face criminal charges. but he'll have to pay for the massive manhunt to find his phantom suspects. cops are still adding up the cost. the days of calling sergeant robert raston a hero and crediting his quick actions for saving his own life, long gone. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> amaze. coming up arizona's latest controversy, this time it's a law targeting what kids learn in school. and next tonight's shot, something to make you smile before going to bed. a mama bear taking actions to help her cub.
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entirely and now the punishment is much less than anyone expected. "crime and punishment" tonight. first up though, keeping them honest. politicians in arizona now targeting ethnic studies classes in schools. first it was that make president obama show his birth certificate bill which failed and then the law giving police broad discretion to stop suspected illegal immigrants that passed, and now house bill 2281, this a copy of it right here. arizona's governor jan brewer signed it very quietly late yesterday. i want to show you some of what this new law says over here on the wall. as i said it's hb-2281. it bars any school district or charter school from including in its curriculum any courses or classes that, one, promote the overthrow of the united states government, promote recent toward a race or class of people, or designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of pupils as individuals. now, certainly the first two seem pretty straightforward, right? i mean, who wants a class
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that teaches kids to overthrow the united states government or resent a race or group of people? but is design a class for kids of a particular ethnic group wrong? is advocating ethnic pride or solidarity wrong? well, arizona's superintendent, a public education tom horne, this man right here, says the bill was aimed at tucson's chicano or mexican-american studies program, which he says, is teaching kids that they are victims, and that they should be "angry and rise up." he says it's teaching "destructive ethnic chauvinism." tucson school board president gsz the program doesn't do none of that and none of what the bill outlaws. superintendent horne's going to join us in a moment and so will george town university sociologist michael eric dyson. before that though the fact is whatever you think of this law and the new immigration law, arizona's paying a price for their recent laws. just today the los angeles city council passed a boycott resolution barring l.a. from doing business with arizona till the immigration law's repealed. a law, the resolution calls racial profiling. arizona's governor now strongly disagrees. california's governor, meantime,
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kind of taking a swipe over at arizona today. listen. >> i was to go and give a commencement speech in arizona, but were worried were going to deport me back to austria. so i canceled that idea right away. >> all right let's dig deeper now in this fight over ethnic studies with tom horne whom we mentioned a moment ago and also sociologist michael eric dyson. who teaches at georgetown university. i appreciate both of you beings with. tom, why shouldn't black literature, chicano literature, specific courses designed to introduce kids to other point of views be taught? >> the standards that we promulgate require that all social studies classes teach different cultures. we want all kids to be exposed to a lot of different cultures but what i'm opposed is dividing kids up so they have raza studies for the chicana kids. raza means the race in spanish. african-american studies for the african-american kids. asian studies for the asian kids.
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>> but what's wrong with that? if an african-american kid wants a class that you know has a focus on african-american studies, what's wrong with that? >> what's wrong with it is it divides students up by race and i believe that one of the principle ideas of the american public school system is we bring kids together and we treat -- teach them to treat each other as individuals. what matters about a person is, what does he know, what can he do, what's his character or hers? not what race was he born into. and one of our important functions to teach kids from different backgrounds to treat each other as individuals, and not to infuse them about an ethnic chauvinism about a particular race and teach them narrowly just about the background and culture of the race that they'd been born into but teach them about all different cultures, races and traditions and not divide them up by race i think that's really backwards. >> michael, you've taught a course like this at georgetown. mr. horne's basically saying look, these classes are teaching these kids that they'd been oppressed and it creates anger and hatred he said. >> it's ironic, to me, first of all mr. horne doesn't see the
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contribution in terms because he has targeted this law towards chicana studies so he's targeted a special racial subgroup, an ethnic group within the large pan opel onny of american identities for this program. number two, what's interesting is that ethnic studies are rife in american history. but the ethnicities happen to be -- polish, irish, italian, white, european, western and eastern european identities that are the basis of ethnic identity and what constitutes american history. if there was an integration of chicana studies, of african-american studies, of latina studies, of gay and lesbian studies into the broader curriculum there would be no need to have these subgroupings and these subcultural paid for these particular formations. thirdly, i teach classes all of the time at georgetown and before at depaul university and most of my students happen to be non -- people who are not students of color. so they happen to be african-american, but they also happen to be latina,
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asian-americans and white americans. i think that white americans benefit from chicana studies. i think that white americans benefit from chicana studies. and finally, if we're talking about american history and shying away from the history of oppression we're not talking about american history. i live in washington, d.c., right next door the governor of virginia failed to mention that slavery was a critical part of the civil war. this is why we need these area studies to remind us the true history of america and i think that mr. horne would agree that when we tell the truth about american history the blood, the glory, the hardships and all of that needs to be told along with the great celebration of american democracy. >> mr. horne, a lot to respond to. i've got to take a quick break. gentlemen, stay with us. continue the conversation on the other side of the break. live chat up and running right now at ac360.com. join in on the conversation. also ahead tonight -- suddenly the obama white house saying the situation in afghanistan is overblown. the big "360" interview.
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the republican party today chose tampa, st. petersburg florida, for its 2012 presidential convention over salt lake city and phoenix. rnc chairman michael steele
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denying that arizona's new immigration law played a part in the decision. other organizations, though, making it very playing, citing the new law, the climate they say creates and taking business elsewhere. an african-american fraternity convention in july, and arts society conference next spring. all in all, according to the arizona hotel and lodging association, 23 meetings, worth about $10 million worth in business, have so far been canceled because of the immigration law and now this curriculum law. let's dig deeper back now with tom horne, arizona's superintendent, public instruction and sociologist michael eric dyson. tom, you said chicano studies teaching kids making them opregnancied, angry and unruly. shouldn't kids learn that. >> well, let me say that i didn't say that i was quoting former teacher who said that. we have testimony from a number of teachers and former teachers about the radical separatist agenda that the raza studies program has. >> you did say -- you did say that actually in your arguments that you published as an open letter to the people of tucson. >> yes, i was quoting a teacher.
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so it wasn't from -- i wasn't just asserting it. we had quotations from a witness that -- >> but you believe that. why do you believe that? i mean, shouldn't -- shouldn't -- if there has been a history of oppression which most people say there has, why shouldn't that be taught? >> the textbook that they use called the prodigy of the oppressed. a well-known communist. i've read the book. and these kid's parents and grandparents came to this country most of them legally because this is the land of opportunity an they trust their children to our schools and we should be teaching these kids that this is the land of opportunity and if they work hard they can achieve their dreams and not teach them that they're oppressed. in fact one of the girls from they set up some of the kieds -- >> so is there no racism today? i mean -- and is that something that should not be discussed. >> that's not predominant atmosphere of america. america's the land of opportunity and we should be teaching the kids that this is the land of opportunity and not teach them the downer that they're oppressed and that they can't get anywhere. they should be angry against
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their government. they should be angry against the country. there's what the teachers are saying, their observation is going on in this raza study's program. in fact i brought in a picture that you might want to show that shows the revolutionary guard that they were when they protested against hezbollah weapon masks, sunglasses, beret, brown shirts. this is a revolutionary program which is an absolute abuse of taxpayer money to do that in public schools. and we had -- there was a girl -- they set up a bunch of students who testified at legislature the girl was testifying and the state senator said can't you learn these things in other courses and she said no now that i took the course i realize that i'm oppressed. >> michael, what about that? >> well this is ludicrous. the correct pronunciation of the philosopher talked about the pedagogy. you can talk about michelle, a frenchman. there are many people who talk about oppression and the release from oppression. in effect, anderson, the history
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america is to seek relief from the oppression of the british so we could establish this country, so we're teaching relief from oppression when we talk about the relief from the british. but more specifically, this is ludicrous to assume that the entire history and culture of a people can be reduced to responses to white supremacy, social injustice and inequality. the reality is we have fought those battles but we have made america better. when martin luther king jr. marched, that should be taught. because he fought against the principles and practices of prejudice so that the ideals of democracy could become real. cesar chavez when he fought for the worker's rights there in california, needs to be -- that that story needs to be told so that americans can understand that they were history of the people who were oppressed -- >> but michael, when people see that picture you know kids dressed up in khaki garb, that's going to concern some people. >> i understand that. i don't -- i don't mind people being critical of certain aspec aspects. but that's like saying the tea party movement that's out now
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that racist portrayals of president obama should be wiped out altogether. and i'm sure that people say no, legitimate points to be made but those racist elements must be dealt with. i understand why it would be problematic but radical separatism has been practiced by american government. the most radically separatist organization in this country has been the american government. so now we want to -- not deny the legitimacy of telling people the truth, we want to say, bring the truth in the open so we can understand the greatness of this country but we can't do so by pretending that the ugliness did not exist. >> so, tom, what about that? i mean are you throwing the baby out with the bathwater? and why not change the curriculum? >> you know i was on that march in washington in summer of 1963 just graduated from high school where martin luther king gave his famous speech. we should be judged by the quality of our character and not the color of our skin. and that has been my most fundamental belief my entire life that we are individuals. we are not exemplars of the race we were born into, and this philosophy that's preached by this program in tucson and by your other guest that's a race-obsessed philosophy and it's a downer philosophy.
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teach people oppressed, make them angry, make it so that they don't have hope for their future. >> let me finish -- let me jump in. let me jump in too. i'm saying it's not about you. you keep saying downer. look it's a downer that people are oppressed, people that are people are depressed, a downer that people suffer injustice. >> you should not be teaching then. >> hold on. if we don't deal with the downers, how many stories have we told about benjamin franklin. how many stories have we told about the founding fathers and brothers? and tell the truth about thomas jefferson. a great american, he wrote the declaration -- i mean the declaration of independence -- also one of the authors and also a slaveholder. let's tell the truth about the downer to sally hemings and tell the full truth about thomas jefferson and the full arch of democracy. this kind of ostrich approach where we deny -- and first oppressed and then we get mad when say oppressed. and then we deny them. this is part of american history that we need to tell. >> tom, response. >> american history to all of the kids and we can show both sides of issues when we teach
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history to all of the kids but don't divide them by race and teach the black kids black history, the chicano kids chicano history the asian kids asian history. they should all be exposed to all the history. >> absolutely. >> should be kept out of our schools that kids should be put in courses where they only learn about the history of the race they happened to have been born into. the wrong philosophy. >> if you had been demoralized and degraded and your history had not be taught why do we need a special class? for curriculum studies? deal with the profound and sophisticated contributions of chicano people to american society. once that happens -- >> we have that in our standard. >> wait a minute. >> all of the kids -- >> once that happens and then when we integrate the full arc of the contributions of demoralized and degraded peoples into the curriculum and then we won't need that curriculum and until that time -- >> i have to jump in here. tom, a lot of your critics say look this is about politics. you're running for attorney general. your term is up as superintendent. is that true that you're running
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for attorney general? >> yes i'm running for attorney general. that's true. i've served eight schools and that's all that's allowed. >> trying to appeal to potential voters. >> i've been fighting this law for four years and this is among my most deeply held beliefs. i mentioned that march in washington where martin luther king gave his speech. i believe very deeply that people are individuals. they're not exemplars of the race they were born into. and this race-obsessed philosophy that your other guest is expounding -- >> sir. >> -- going on in tucson is wrong for the american i believe. >> you repeated that same line earlier and it's a great line. the reality is martin luther king say -- continue to shake the foundation of this nation. full citizenship rights. he talked about the bitter leg -- legacy white supremacy before he began to talk about that dream and then he said that in america it's an ideal toward which we shall strive but in the meantime we should adjust to the reality that we have some negative realities that we should adjust to and that we should address and i think that martin luther king jr. cannot be used to justice xenophobic and racist passions that are
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dressed up as desires to reform the curriculum. >> i would say that the xenophobia and racism is on your side. >> no, i don't want to keep anybody out. >> you want to divide kids by race. >> no, i want white kids to learn about chicano people. i want white kids to learn about african-american people. >> martin luther king inspired us all by saying we should be judged by the content of our character and not by the color of our skin and that's what we should be teaching in our public schools. >> be trur to what you said on paper. >> one at a time because both at a time and no one's going to listen. michael, you finish up. >> now you must raise them up. martin luther king jr. cannot be taken out of context and you cannot use one speech as if frozen in 1963 as if what he said in 1968 where he was bitterly opposed to the practices of what america was doing in the name of freedom and democracy. that's tradition i think that the people who support chicano studies in arizona are carrying forward. >> tom, short and then we have to go. >> okay it's not out of context to say that he's inspired us with the idea that we should be
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judged as individuals. what can we do? what is our character? not race were we born into. don't divide kids by race. don't propagandize kids that they are oppressed, no future, be angry at this country. >> teach them this that this is the land of opportunity where if they work hard they can achieve their dreams and teach them american history. >> tom, just for accurate sake, anyone can take these classes? >> anyone can take the classes but designed primarily for the african-american, the chicano. >> tom horne, michael eric dyson. guys, i appreciate your time. good discussion. look at this new video released today by bp showing the leak blasting oil into the gulf of mexico. the truth is bp has no idea how to stop this anytime soon. planning to shove golf balls and rubber into the valve to try to plug leak. it seems far-fetched. have any better ideas in tell you wa they came up with. we'll also talk with congressman ed markey who had blasted bp for their lack of planning. one of the violent outposts in afghanistan. author, filmmaker sebastian
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well, 23 days after the explosion that caused the gulf oil spill, bp released video today, finally, giving the world its first look at leaking well a mile under water. take a look. 210,000 gallons per day looks like. i will say it again 210,000 gallons of oil per day. efforts to stop the spill with a four-story-tall containment dome that failed last week. since then bp which owns the well, offered a bunch of ideas for stopping the leak and frankly they seem half-baked. most surprising, some are calling the junk shot which involves shooting old golf balls, tires, rubber, cement into the leak. talking about golf balls and tires. so that got us thinking if that's best bp can do, maybe you can do better. so we posed the question on our blog here's what some of you came up with, some solutions. gayle in massachusetts wrote --
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gayle, it's a good thought actually and going to hear in a moment they're actually going to try to use hair to soap up the oil on the suffer us. mary from philadelphia says "i suggest creating in essence giant robotic pliers that would squeeze the leak closed." sort of what they had already but didn't work. and cathy wondered what about the shamwow? doesn't that solve everything. i'm not sure that the shamwow guy is really ready to do that. i think he had ran into problems a while back. found this video online showing how a hay soaks up oil that's been added to a pan of water, so well that maybe hay might look. take a look. >> that's pretty -- >> what kind of grass? >> hay grass. just regular hay. it's hay that farmers can use. >> okay. >> that we can use. >> okay. >> don't pay any attention to
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what's on the edge of the bowl. now look at this water. look at this water behind it. >> wow. >> awesome. maybe -- maybe someone should show bp the oil. its top executives were back on capitol hill today along with officials from two other companies involved in the spill. congressman ed markey from massachusetts pressed hard on all of the companies. i talked to him earlier. congressman, bp is now talking about shoving a bunch of rope and rubber and cement and golf balls into a valve to try to plug the leak. i mean, it would -- it sounds almost like a joke, but it's obviously deadlyly serious. it kind of makes one think, do these guys really have any idea what to do? >> i think that they're making it up as they go along. i think that most people believe that this is a very sophisticated industry with a very deft command in technology. but in fact as they think about old rubber tires and golf balls
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to be shot down into this leak, we realize that we're really not talking about m.i.t. here. we're really talking about the pga. i mean they're doing things that you would think someone out in the backyard would be thinking of doing. not an industry with the level of revenues and research capacity, which obviously has not resulted in a system of safety being put in place which can guarantee that this leak can be shutdown. >> yeah, i read something, you said something like you expect it to be like the "apollo" project but it's more like "project runway." >> it is more like "project runway." they are now taking nylon stockings and beginning to fill them with hair as a way of sopping up the oil out in the gulf. and i think most people would have thought at this late date, that it would be more like the "apollo" project, that it
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wouldn't be nylons and hair, and i think it's very discouraging obviously for the people who live down in the gulf, but it's dismaying i think to every american to think that this is the level of response to such a catastrophic event that the oil industry can provide. >> how much of this was a failure of oversight on the part of government officials? >> i think that there was an assumption that an accident could not happen. i think that bp kept saying, don't worry, an accident cannot happen. and in this instance, boosterism led to complacency and complacency led to a disaster. >> and clearly yesterday we saw in testimony, i mean they're all pointing fingers at each other. bp at transocean. transocean at halliburton. halliburton back at transocean. transocean back at bp. do you believe what these guys say? i mean were you satisfied with the testimony yesterday? did they seem apologetic enough? did they see humble at all to you? >> i did not detect the level of humility, which i think they should have. and they're each saying the same
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thing in terms of who is ultimately culpable as far as this historic mess. >> i mean what happens now? i mean, when do you think this oil's going to stop leaking? can anybody say at this point? >> nobody has any idea when this leak is going to be plugged. if the golf balls don't work, if the rubber tires don't work, if this new top hat which they're trying to lower down into the ocean doesn't work, it will be months before a new drill can reach this pipe and cut it off but that's months from now if none of these interim, temporary emergency measures continue to fail. >> it's -- it's stunning and just incredibly -- incredibly -- well it's incredibly stunning. congressman ed markey, i
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people in tripoli. the libyan jetliner crashed minutes before landing after a seven-hour flight johannesburg. the boy is recuperating after multiple surgeries in both legs. walmart today pledged $2 billion to food banks to fight hunger in the u.s. government reports show nearly 15% of all families lacked adequate nutrition in 2008. the highest level in more than ten years. south carolina governor mark sanford today confirmed reports he spent last weekend in florida with his argentine lover. while he didn't mention the woman by name, sanford admitted he was trying to rekindle that love affair that wrecked his marriage and nearly cost him his office. the affair was discovered last june when sanford disappeared for a weekend telling staff he was hiking the appalachian trails. so now i guess it's all out in the open. >> the old hike in the appalachian trail. >> yeah. >> john, thanks. still ahead the big "360" interview. i'll talk to author and journalist, sebastian junger about the months that he sent in afghanistan for a new book.
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meeting in washington today, president obama and afghan president hamid karzai played down reports of tensions between them, to say the least. mr. obama's says he's confident to meet its self-imposed deadline to withdrawing troops in afghanistan till july 2011. but he also said the united states is there for the long hall. >> we're not suddenly as of july 2011 finished with afghanistan. in fact to other contrary, part of what i've tried to emphasize to president karzai and the afghan people, but also to the american people is this is a long-term partnership.
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>> among american opposition to the war now in its ninth year has fallen since 2009. americans are now basically split on the issue with about half in favor, and half opposed. author and journalist sebastian junger has watched the war play out up close in his new book "war." he describes a single platoon's tour of duty in one of the most dangerous regions in the country. spent months with them. i spoke with sebastian junger for tonight's "360" interview. what was so unique about this place in the korengal valley and that you wanted to write about it. >> the first time that i was with one unit. the five one-month trips over the course of the year and i became accepted into this platoon. i was at this outpost named restrepo, named after the platoon medic. and it was very remote up on this ridge. attacked constantly. there were days when i was there, four, five firefights in one day but i think that the unit been the through something like 500 firefights in the year that they were there. it was very remote. airpower was 45 minutes away.
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the nearest base was two hours away by foot. you were on your own out there. >> some of the men there i mean they would sleep with their rifles, sleep with their boots on the threat of attack was that constant. >> there were times when guys slept with their boots on. they always had their rifles near them. everyone was ready to go literally within 30 seconds but everyone out there knew that getting overrun and everyone killed at a small base was an absolute possibility and so everyone slept -- no one slept very well. >> we were in a marine patrol base called jaker in helmand province last september and that was small but nothing compared to the base where you were at, the outpost that you were at. and i don't think that people understand just the conditions that our troops are dealing with on a daily basis particularly in an outpost like the one that you were out. >> there was no running water
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no cooked food, no internet no phone. the men would go a month at a time without bathing. they would wear their uniforms until they literally fell and burn them and put on new uniforms. once a month they got to go down to the main base and call their girlfriend and take a shower and have a hot meal and they'd go back up and they did this for a year. >> one of the chapters in your book is called "love," and i mean you're really writing about the bond between brothers out in the field. >> a lot of these guys came from restrepo and it was a terrible place, right? and they all missed it. i think one of the things they miss it's not taranchulas and the heat and the flees and it's not even the adrenaline of combat. i think what they miss is being necessary to other people and that really is kind of intoxicating. and that's essentially what my book is about. >> there's also something very -- i mean obviously real about what is happening when you're in an environment like that. i mean it's life and death. it's all stripped away. everything is stripped away. and it seems like for a lot of troops a lot of people who've been over there when you come back regular life is much more complicated. >> there aren't as many absolutes in civilian life. like if you don't tie your shoes you might trip, big deal.
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no one -- up there that doesn't matter, right? up there i saw a private, accost another private, say, man tie your shoes. if we get hit ru no now and you trip i could get killed so tie your damn shows so when these guys come back from that they cannot tie their shoes, nothing has consequences. >> how is killing more complicated than we think? >> i think there's a moral revulsion of killing in humans. i mean this is just my opinion. that gets suspended when your friends are getting killed and when they killed enemy fighters they would cheer and i asked about that because it seemed like kind of an ugly sentiment. like i understood the need to kill but not the need to cheer and this guy said to me listen the guy that we killed an hour ago in the firefight that's one guy who will not kill my best friend out here. and that's what i'm cheering about. i'm cheering that one of us will live not that he die. and when you put it like that, suddenly you understand this dynamic that keeps war going and of course the other side's doing the same thing. >> you focus on one -- one guy in particular a guy named brendon.
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why him? what was it about him that drew you. >> brendon o'beirne. he was a really good soldier. and he was also -- he had a pretty troubled background as a kid. the army kind of straightened him out, kind of saved him. he was a very, very good soldier. he thought about, like the right and wrong of the war, what it means to kill people, what it means to love people, like he really thought about those things. i had these really -- very -- very lengthy profound conversations with him about what it means to go to war, to be at war, to be in combat. he was also the only guy in the platoon who got out of the army. >> what was that transition like for him getting out? >> it was terrifically hard for him. i mean they came back -- the unit came back tovechensa, italy, where they are based. suddenly you have officers behind desk who have never been in combat who are ordering these guys around who fought for a year and they absolutely hated that and that triggered a real crisis in brendon. he felt that the -- that their efforts were not honored with -- even within the military on the base that they were getting ordered around and by the -- by
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these very petty rules and so he really went into some very self-destructive behavior and i think he was -- i mean he's okay now but for about a year i would say he was probably in more danger to himself at home than he was in the korengal valley. >> what you saw in the korengal valley did it change the way that you looked at the war in afghanistan? >> that's a complicated question. i mean i was not prepared for the amount of combat that i was going to see. i was not prepared for that. i didn't know that that was happening in afghanistan. >> right and most places you go they say look it's not as kinnetic. that's word they end to use. it's not as kinnetic as it used to be but there it was -- >> there it was the 1/5 it was taking place. in the korengal valley. 1/5. amazing. but it did -- you know the last time it's last time i'd been in afghanistan was '05, before that it was 2001 when the u.s. toppled the taliban. and i remember walking down the street in kabul getting hugged
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by afghans because i was american. that's changed. that goodwill has really diminished and the war's gone on too long, too many mistakes were made and the afghans are now i think souring a little bit, and that -- so i've seen that transition, and that's a very, very painful thing for me. >> the mission has changed under general stanley mcchrystal. it's much more about protecting population centers, therefore the importance of korengal valley has changed because it's a pretty remote area. the u.s.' actually pulled out of the outpost that you were in. >> the pullout was emotionally very complicated for the soldiers. it was very painful. i mean they don't want anymore americans to die there, almost 50 americans died in the korengal. it was also very painful for them to watch the video online on youtube of restrepo being destroyed by american explosives. brendan o'beirne said to some of his friends he said look it's a base, it's a military base. we all knew eventually the u.s. army's going to pull out of there. what we did up there was for each other. we fought and we risked our lives and some of us died out there for each other. and you can't take that away.
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you can't erase that. in every war and this one included, there are nameless hilltops that don't have any obvious strategic value. and soldiers wind up fighting for those places, and not even knows why they're fighting for this little hilltop and what they do emotionally -- at least the guys that i was with was they say to themselves maybe this hilltop didn't mean anything before we got here but we spent a year fighting for this place. our brothers died for this place. and now it has meaning. >> the book is "war." thank you very much. >> thank you. >> you can join the live chat. ac360.com. still ahead a massive manhunt in philadelphia after a cop is shot but suspect never found. and investigators say they now know why. randi kaye has tonight's story in tonight's "crime and punishment" report.
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punishment" shame of a philadelphia the shame of a philadelphia police officer who claimed he had been shot, but when the clues didn't add up, the case got really ugly. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: it was 4:00 in the morning when the call came in -- cop shot. a white police officer said he had been shot by a blackman. officers responded in force, and all out search for the african-american neighborhood in philadelphia's 19th precinct where sergeant robert rolston said it all went down. the sergeant said he had come across to black men on april 5. one ran away, the other pointed a silver revolver at his head. he knocked it away, he said, but it fired anyway, and the bullet grazed his left shoulder. he also said he fired one shot but wasn't sure if it struck the suspect. police gave thanks their man had survived. tragedy averted, they said.
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the white cop described the shooter this way -- dark skinned, braided hair and a tattoo next to his eye. but police never found the black shooter or anyone matching that description. and now more than a month later, we know why. the real story -- the two black men the man said he encountered never existed. the philadelphia police commissioner says sergeant rolston made the whole thing up. >> it was clear to us soon after it took place that this simply was just not true. the evidence didn't support the story he was giving. >> reporter: but wait. what about the shoulder wound. the commissioner said he actually shot himself, which may be why he got off one shot at the suspect. an explanation as to why hid gun had been fired. >> a test was run on his shirt. the powder on the shirt matched the same kind of ammunition we use in the department.
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>> reporter: that's right. the gunpowder on the sergeant's shirt was the same kind his own weapon used, and there's more. the angle at which the bullet struck him didn't square with his story either says the commissioner. we tried to ask sergeant rolston to explain, but outside his home, he dodged our cameras and ducked inside. >> can you tell us why you did that, sir? >> reporter: neighbors called the sergeant's actions a sad statement. >> i can't believe he would really do something like that. that's really uncalled for. >> reporter: what's still unclear is why he would make up such a wild tale. only after hours of interrogation did he admit he shot himself on purpose. the police commissioner says he may have done it for a job transfer or maybe for attention, but that the sergeant didn't give a reason. the police commissioner calls this a, quote, terrible and
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embarrassing chapter in the department's history. >> the fact that he stated that two african-americans were involved in this, again, just, i think, enflames tensions in our community. something we certainly do not need. >> reporter: sergeant rolston had been suspended with pay. the commissioner says he will be fired. he was given immunity in exchange for his confession so he doesn't face criminal charge, but he'll have to pay for the massive manhunt to find his phantom suspects. cops are still adding up the costs. the days of calling sergeant rolston a hero and crediting his quick action for saving his own life, long gone. randi kaye, cnn, new york. up next, one simple thing to save computers and health planet earth. ie. - apple or cherry? - cherry. oil or cream? oil or cream? cream. some use hydrogenated oil. reddi-wip uses real dairy cream. nothing's more real than reddi-wip.
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have you ever thought about how many computers you'll use over a lifetime? have you thought about the toll those computers will make on the planet once you toss them out? one person has come up with the solution.
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. >> reporter: 16-year-old alex lind likes to go for impact. besides the rigors of a.p. lass r classes and competitive sports, the high school senior has made helping others while also protecting the environment an important part of his schedule. >> when you're throwing out hundreds of thousands of tons of computers it all adds up. each of those big monitors had between four and eight pounds of lead. that's a lot of lead going into our land fills, our ground and water. >> reporter: driven to find creative solutions, alex began w.i.n. with a galvanized group of peers. >> it takes a good amount of time. you have to be dedicated to doing something this big. >> i love helping people. . >> reporter: working with his hometown, he set up a place to recycle old computers and monitors. >> if we use it, we'll take it in to refurbish it. if not, we recycle it.
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most of the compute verse gone to students here locally. also we have a separate selection of the computers which have gone overseas to community centers. >> to places in kenya, cameroon, the philippines, mexico and sri lanka, where the computer center was named off the w.i.n. team. >> that was one of the most awesome parts of our project when we found out there was a place pretty literally half away cross the world that was named after our project. >> reporter: but w.i.n. wanted to do more, so they introduced an ordinance to ban electronics in westerly. >> we got the law passed statewide. hopefully we can get around the entire nation to where there's systems in place to properly dispose of electronics, just like aluminum, paper, and plastics. >> as alex heads to stanford university in the fall, he says he'll keep solving problems. >> reporter: i'll find something new or some