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thanksgiving eve. >> happy birthday! >> larry: thank you! why are we yelling? where did the ring go? now time for "ac 360." i almost lost it. >> my wife's going to kill me. >> larry: good night. thanks very much for watching. tonight, members of congress playing politics with children's futures. 1200 kids, orphans, being adopted by american families. they've been waiting for months for crucial vote in congress that would make them u.s. citizens. the bill has overwhelming bipartisan support. republicans and democrats, but a vote has been mysteriously delayed. are lawmakers using these orphans to advance their own agenda? we're keeping them honest. and politics over the patdown, the outrage over screening procedures is real but are all the attacks on the tsa fair? tonight one congressman is calling to get rid of the tsa altogether, even he admits that wouldn't affect the tough
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screening procedure. why is he calling for it? we'll explain. we've talked about dogs, dolphins, apes. tonight, lemurs. they don't like to gamble. who knew. scientists say that actually may be a clue into human evolution. we'll explain that ahead. we begin as always keeping them honest. tonight, members of congress playing politics with the lives of orphaned kids. we're talking about 1200 children, haitian orphans, who are here in america right now in the process of being adopted by american families. now, we all remember the images of haitian orphans after the quake. americans opened their hearts and wallets desperate to help these kids. flying down to haiti to rescue plane loads kids. the u.s. government expedited the process for these orphans but now it seems some politicians have forgotten them. there's a bill for the orphans called the help haiti act. it's easily passed the house
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back on july 20th. 15 days later on august 4th it was amended and passed in the u.s. senate by unanimous consent. republicans and democrats, unanimous consent. because there were some changes in the senate bill, the house needed to vote on it again. and that is where politics have come into play. it has been four months now since the house got the amended version of the bill and it has still not been voted on. it was supposed to be voted on this past monday, in fact. on sunday night the help haiti act was the third item on the agenda for the next day. you see it right there. they were going to vote on it. on monday afternoon at 2:14 when an updated schedule was sent out, it was still on the agenda for later that day. but then about four hours later when another updated schedule was sent out at 6:03 p.m. the bill was gone, removed from the agenda along with several other bills. there was no explanation. someone just took it off the list. turns out our elected officials don't have to reveal who decided to remove it or even why they did it.
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they can do this sort of thing to 1200 children, to 1200 orphans and remain nameless. that was monday. they thought, maybe they're going to add it back to the agenda on tuesday. or on wednesday. or on thursday. or even on friday. after all, the house was in session all this week. but the help haiti act was never added to the agenda again. you might just say, well, look, they were very busy. they had a lot to do this week. no doubt. but since monday they've made time to vote on a number of other bills including resolution 1715 congratulating joe paterno on his 400th win as penn state football coach. the house also approved resolution 1475 which congratulates the town of tarboro, north carolina, on its anniversary. also recognizing brook lynne bow tannic gardens on its 100th anniversary. no disrespect to penn state football or the residents of tarboro, north carolina. we congratulate them all. but there are 1200 kids and
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families in limbo, scared their kids have no rights, no citizenship, no clear path to get it. republican congressman of nebraska who sponsored the help haiti act can't even get an answer as to why the bill was removed from the schedule. but get this, democratic sources say there's talk of attaching a highly controversial dream act to the haiti bill, and the vote would happen later this month. the dream act would give amnesty to legal immigrants brought into the u.s. as children and go to college and serve in the armed forces. democrats could have a tough time getting the dream act passed when republicans gain control in january so some hope to get it voted on in this way instead. if republicans vote against it democrats can say look republicans don't care about orphans. in other words, it's politics. they're gambling with the lives of these orphans, possibly stalling a piece of legislation so they can add on another piece of their agenda. they're playing politics with kids. joining me, congressman thorntonberry and rebecca woods, whose daughter is one of those 1200 children waiting for word.
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ms. woods, if the house doesn't pass this bill, your daughter's future is in limbo because the clock is ticking. she's 16 and after 16, these kids can't become citizens. is that correct? >> well, it's my understanding that we had to file a certain form, an i-600 prior to her 16th birthday which was two days ago. we did it twice, once in port-au-prince and it was lost. all of her paperwork was lost. so we have had to readopt her here. it is my understanding that, you know, a number of these families almost 1100 families are suffering from this problem. we just want a clear path to citizenship for our children. you know, we want a clear path -- >> why do you think congress has failed to act? >> i don't know. i'm not a politician and i don't know. but i think it's unconscionable that somebody's playing with these children's lives, with my family's life.
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my daughter is 16. she wants to be a productive american citizen. she wants to get a part-time job. she wants to learn to drive. she can't do any of those things. she can't get a social security card. it's terrible to say, but my daughter will tell you that she does not exist. my daughter will be the first one to tell you, i don't have a country. i'm not a haitian and i'm not an american. she says i'm not even a person. i don't exist. how sad is that? >> congressman, it seems there were a bunch of politicians tripping over themselves in the wake of the earthquake to be seen helping the orphans, some even flew down in planes, now it seems no one's paying attention to this. did anyone tell you why this thing wasn't voted on on monday or on tuesday or on wednesday or on thursday? >> well, i think mrs. williams said it perfectly, it's unconscionable. this is a very simple bill that would help the haitian orphans who are caught up in the tragic aftermath of the earth quake who had to be evacuated quickly to the united states, it would
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define their legal status and they're currently in legal limbo. as you mentioned, it's passed the house, the senate, it has wide bipartisan support because it was amended in the senate it's come back to the house. we fully expected this on monday to pass. it could be law by now, and these families who have opened their hearts and their homes to these children should have the assurance that their legal status is in good order. it's just inexplicable. and if it is the result of partisan politics, these children are being used as partisan pawns for more controversial immigration measures we suspect and that's simply wrong. >> speaker pelosi's office, when we reached out to them, they say this kind of stuff happens all the time. we just ran out of time. they hope it will be voted on. do you buy that, this is a question of running out of time on monday? >> well, you went over the legislative calendar. i voted to acknowledge joe paterno's 400th win, congratulations. i'm a nebraska cornhusker.
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if we had time to do that and not answer the questions in the minds and hearts of these american families who have opened their homes to these haitian orphans, to me that's just bad process. and i think it's part of the reason that americans are so cynical about the way in which congress operates. this is simply a bill that would help haitian orphans who are now in the united states. >> ms. williams, if it's true that members of congress, democrats, are considering using the help haiti act as a way to push through the former controversial dream act, i mean, do you feel like your child is being used? >> yes. yes. definitely. and i feel like our family is being dragged through this just limbo status, you know, interminally. it's just -- i don't know. we just want a clear path to citizenship. other children who come in as adoptees from other countries are given citizenship once their adoptions are complete.
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my daughter has a florida birth certificate. what doesn't -- what makes her not a citizen? she's -- you know, plays -- she's a cheerleader. she plays soccer. she's part of her church family. she's trying to be a productive person and getting a part-time job. what part of that doesn't make her an american citizen? my husband and i are both retired military. you know? we are an american family. one of the first things she did was attend a motorcade for a fallen airman here at macdill air force base and she proudly flew her american flag that day thinking at that time she was an american citizen. how sad is it you have a person who lives in america who thinks she doesn't exist, she's not a person. she will tell you that. >> and congressman, correct me if i'm wrong, if this is attached to the dream act and for political reasons that fails to get passed because it's far more controversial, not as popular as this is, then basically this all starts from scratch again. this would have to be redone, rewritten, reintroduced.
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>> that's correct, and you -- or we could bypass this process and if somebody wants to introduce the dream act on their own, have a debate about it and let the legislative body work separate from this, fine. but this bill should be released. you heard mrs. williams and my mind she's an american hero and her daughter deserves better than what they're getting now. this bill has been tied up for months and months. there's no reason it shouldn't go through now. and if it's attached to a much more controversial measure for which there is no consensus in the congress or any consensus across this country, for that matter, it may stall this legislation and we may have to start over. but what worries me more deeply is it's another sign of the dysfunction of congress, that we can't get a simple bill through that would help these haitian orphans define their legal stat us and give their families assurance. that's what we need to do and do it now. >> congressman, appreciate your time tonight and best to you and your daughter and i hope things work out for you soon. >> thank you so very much.
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thank you. before we leave the topic of haiti, i want to give you an update on someone we met, actually good news out of haiti. we like to bring you that when we can. we met a little boy right after the earthquake, johnny. we came across him in the pediatric tent. we did a story about him, he wasn't speaking, couldn't speak, he had no clothes. he was wearing a crude cast on his lower leg even though doctors said it was his femur that had broken and both his parents died. we learned an orphanage had taken johnny in. they sent us pictures and he looked much, much better. he was smiling, making new friends, and we were obviously thrilled for him. just this week even more good news. the orphanage discovered johnny's parents are actually alive. they'd been living in a relief camp, they saw his picture on a red cross posting. they thought he was dead. mom, dad and johnny were brought together again.
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their lives are certainly tough. they now still live in a squalled camp like thousands of haitians but at least they are together and they are alive. join the live chat right now underway at patdown outrage, a lot of travelers say they're being groped. calling on airports to stop using tsa agents and use private screeners instead, would that really change anything? we'll talk with congresswoman sheila jackson and the raw politics tonight. plus keeping them honest, president obama says he is setting a new course after his party's losses in the midterm elections. a lot of fellow democrats say he needs to step up more, show more leadership. we'll talk to james carville who had this message for the president this week. >> is he a wimp or being the right tone. >> if hillary gave him one of her balls they'd both have two. how can you get pain relief without taking pills around the clock?
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obviously millions of us are going to travel by air this holiday season, that means we're all going to be subjected to tougher security procedures in airports. i'm in l.a. tonight, the patdowns, full body scanners, and growing anger about those patdowns and the enhanced screening machines. take a look at these photos from the denver post. this is what patdowns look like, a lot of travelers say they feel like they've been groped. any traveler who decides they don't want the full body scan, which is their right, will definitely get a patdown. >> if you can't grope another person and if you can't x-ray people and endanger them with possible x-ray, you can't take nude photographs of individuals, why do we allow the government to do it? we would go to jail.
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if an individual, he'd be immediately arrested if an individual citizen went up and did these things and yet we just sit there and calmly say, oh, they're making us safe. >> he went on to say every member of congress in the executive branch should get a patdown, maybe then he believes they'll listen to the travelers. john pistole, head of the transportation security administration, the tsa, who has had a patdown testified about it in a hearing this week, defends them saying patdowns are needed to keep the flying public safe. the tsa blog says of the nearly 2 million passengers a day who are screened, very few actually get a patdown but it's not the primary screening procedure, it's a secondary one. some are also raising safety questions about the full body scanners, about the radiation that may be used. medical and science professors at the university of california san francisco even wrote to the obama administration expressing concerns. we're writing to call your attention to serious concerns about the potential health effects of the back scatter x-ray security scanners. this is an urgent situation as
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these x-ray scanners are rapidly being implemented as a primary screening step for all air travel passengers. they're concerned about the effects of the radiation, especially people over 65, cancer patients, kids, teens and pregnant women. it's important to point out many in the scientific community don't share those concerns. this week janet napolitano had this to say. >> these things, yeah, they've been examined six ways to sunday. the fda, johns hopkins university, the u.s. science and standards association have all measured the radiation involved in an ait. it's almost immeasurable, it's so small, maybe two minutes of being in flight. you're exposed to radiation when you fly in a plane anyway. so these things are really miniscule.
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>> florida republican who is the ranking member on the house transportation committee and will likely become committee chairman in january, he sent a letter to john pistole, he's concerned about the patdowns and scanners, that the patdowns are overly intrusive and calms on the tsa to reconsider the procedures. also calling on airports to consider using private security companies instead of tsa screeners as federal law would allow them to do. let's talk about the raw politics. appreciate both of you being with us. congressman, first talk about the screening machines which many travelers think are too invasive. do you believe the machines are too invasive? >> well, yes. i was actually quite shocked when i found out just this week that what they've deployed doesn't have a filter on it. we've talked about these, and i advocate use of this technology
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not for primary screening, but for people who alarm the system or on a watch list or should be subject to further screening. but i was stunned, because i know this technology is available, they went out, and now they do have imagery that i think is unacceptable to be viewed. >> because what your critics say is back years ago under the prior administration that you were far more -- that you were basically a big advocate of these machines. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> let me just play for -- here you are in 2002 on cnn you were asked whether you thought the advanced scanners were too invasive, you said and i quote, i don't. not in an era of richard reids, when they can be detained, they can fit a profile. we have a new era of terrorism. concealing explosives within their bodies and i think we're going to need this equipment, i'm doing everything i can to get it online. have you had a change of heart?
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>> i was assured filters had been developed to block out personal private body parts, parts of the body that shouldn't be shown. the other thing, too, is i can't believe that they would deploy this equipment, buy this equipment and not consult with congress and let us know what they were deploying is in fact invasive. i support the technology but with caveats. >> so you're saying back then you thought -- you didn't know the machine -- they didn't show you, you were supporting this but hadn't seen what the machines were capable of? >> i saw the machines and my concern was again the privacy issue. and i was assured, and again, i checked it this week and you can buy filtering equipment to filter that out. they went ahead and without consulting us bought, to me, offensive equipment that should
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not be used and it does invade the privacy of people. we need this kind of equipment but it can be done the right way. tsa could screw up a two-car funeral. >> representative jackson lee, a traveler can opt out of going through these new scanners and will then get this extremely thorough patdown. i've had it done, it is intrusive. do you believe it's too much? >> first of all i take great issue with the definition or the description of tsa messing up a funeral, a two-car funeral, and frankly, anderson, i'd like everybody to be reminded that we might have wanted to have this kind of equipment on 9/11. we saw 3,000 or more americans lose their lives. this is a different america, and a different world. and so we have to confront issues head on. i'd like to say to my good friend congressman, who i look forward to working with. first of all, there are only 400 of these ait machines across america and they're certainly an opportunity as we review this,
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the homeland security committee was advised of this equipment. i viewed this equipment over the past couple of months, so we're testing it. we're determining what is the best approach to best quality. my understanding is the views of this particular image are hidden, away and there is a way of protecting the privacy of those who choose to use the ait. where we made our mistake, anderson, was not providing the broad-based information, the emphasis on privacy and the right to explain to travelers just what they would be choosing. now, patdowns are limited. if you go to a metal detector or opt for an ait, you go through and you're fine. if it is necessary for a patdown because you alarm or there are some other problems -- i was traveling this morning and one of the passengers said i need a patdown because i have a metal leg or some form of metal on my personal body.
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that person volunteered that. and so we have to be very much in context. what happened on 9/11? what happened on christmas day 2009? it's very important to emphasize that. >> congresswoman, you did write today, you co-wrote a letter to mr. pistole about the enhanced patdowns and you said for the stated reasons above, we respectfully request you reconsider. >> in fact, i was briefed by administrator pistole today as this letter was being written, the intent of that letter -- i'll be at my airport monday and tuesday, at bush intercontinental airport, both speaking to officials, watching what is going on. but -- >> but you do want to change protocols? >> no. we wrote that letter because we're listening to the american
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public. the protocols that i want to have changed is to articulate the privacy right of our traveling public, to listen to the traveling public, and to be able to modify those protocols according to the needs of the traveling public. when i say that, to make sure that those protocols are used when it is appropriate, meaning the more extensive ones. i don't want them to stop. do i want the public to be informed, i want to make sure children are not pat downed >> i've got it. congressman michael, let me ask you about that. you want the tsa, you've written to a number of airports saying they should go to private screeners not using tsa which is under the guidelines it's totally legal, but even private security contractors would still have to use the exact same tsa methods because the tsa sets the federal guidelines. what's the advantage of going to
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private contractors? >> there are many advantages. i happened to draft the legislation and we already -- while we set up five airports initially with private screening under federal supervision and when i had an independent analysis done and we compared apples and apples, we found out, not by my estimation, but by, again, independent evaluation, that the private screeners under federal supervision -- and again we have that in place -- perform statistically significantly better. >> do you have proof of that? can you release proof of that? >> oh, yeah. i'll be glad. i'll give you a gao study that compared that. but it's beyond that. tsa in my opinion is out of control. i have 3,000 -- 3,590 administrative personnel making on average over $105,000 just in washington, d.c. i never intended when i wrote
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the tsa law to have that kind of bureaucracy or another 8,000 out in the field and 67 growing to 67,000 people. it's a massive bloated bureaucracy. it feeds to be trimmed and tamed. >> we're way over time -- >> the average salary is from $30,000 to $60,000. >> yeah. >> i don't think we want to go back to pre9/11. i do believe that congressman mike is right, we can always assess the excessive overhead administrative cost, but we don't want to go back to a privatized system of protecting the nation's airports and air travelers. we don't want to -- if you will, go back to the opportunity of more terrorism and terrorist acts. we've been lucky the last eight, nine years and let's not forget what happened on 9/11. >> we'd love to have you both back on. >> it was the government that failed on 9/11. they never set the program. >> congressman and congresswoman, appreciate your time. still ahead, democrats and progressives beginning to send a blunt message to president
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covering a number of stories tonight. let's check in with susan hendricks with the news and business bulletin. more dramatic testimony in the kidnapping trial of brian david mitchell, accused of abducting elizabeth smart in the summer of 2002 when she was just 14. his estranged wife, wanda barzee told jurors he manipulated her saying he had divine law.
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and no theory on the killing of ronni chasen. she was gunned down in her car tuesday. earlier the mayor said the slaying was targeted. wesley snipes is heading to prison. a florida judge today denied an appeal by him. he ordered the actor to begin serving a three-year prison sentence for tax evasion. and a whopping midnight debut for "harry potter." fans spent $24 million to see the midnight screening early friday morning. part two, the finale is due out next july. and anderson, fans were camping out around the country to see part one. >> yeah. i must say i want to see it. it looks kind of good. >> i just want to know when he grew up. >> i know. they're all so old now. which of course means we're all getting older, i guess. >> exactly. >> susan, thanks. james carville saying he's not sorry for what he had to say about hillary clinton and president obama and a certain slang word for anatomy.
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well, you may remember just after the midterm elections this month and his party's losses, president obama started spreading this message. >> moving forward, i think the questions going to be, can democrats and republicans sit down together and come up with a set of ideas that address those core concerns. i'm confident that we can. i'm doing a whole lot of reflecting and i think there are going to be areas in policy where we're going to have to do a better job. and so, you know, one of the things that i've got to take responsibility for is not having moved enough on those fronts. and i think there is an opportunity to move forward on some of those issues. but i do think that, you know,
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this is a growth process. and an evolution. >> so the president, who's of course the leader of his party as well, says he's ready to move forward. this week mr. obama came out of a closed-door meeting with congressional democrats with nothing much new. plenty of fresh complaints from those present saying he wasn't offering enough passion or leadership. we should point out none of those critics would speak on camera. the feedback came in anonymous quotes. meeting going around talking about going around the president and raising cash for the 2012 presidential campaign, similar to the groups karl rove, like karl rove's backed american cross roads group that provided a lot of cash for republicans in this year's elections. the thing is president obama is against these third party groups. the huffington post reports billionaire george soros who was at the meeting says liberals need to pressure the president and if they won't budge they should promote their agenda on their own.
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listen to this exchange about the president between a reporter and james carville at an event this week sponsored by "the christian science monitor". >> is he being a wimp or sounding on the tone and being on the right approach. >> i'm the one that, in the campaign, said that if hillary gave him one of her balls they'd both have two. >> i spoke to him earlier. so referencing your comment about the president's manhood i guess, this is the democratic president we're talking about here, the leader of your party, pretty tough words. do you stand by him? >> it was a joke i told during the campaign of 2008, it was reported in "the new york times," reported in "newsweek." i said i repeated it. to me, it's not that big a deal. i'm not sorry i told it, i don't apologize to anyone. the only thing i would feel sorry for is if someone
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offended, i was thinking the president should be tough on these banks and that's what it amounts to. i'm not going into rehab, i'm not praying with my priest, i'm not reconsidering my life. i'm not doing any of that stuff. >> it is, as you said, it's not the first time you compared the president's manhood unfavorably with hillary clinton's. here's how the president responded the last time this happened during the 2008 primary season before he was president. you know james carville is well known for spouting off his mouth without always knowing what he's talking about. i intend to stay stoke used on fighting for the american people because what they don't need is 20 more years of performance art, and what james carville and a lot of folks are expert at, a lot of talk and not getting thins done for the people of america. >> if somebody would have said something like that, i can understand he didn't much care for it. i understand that sometimes i
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say things that maybe rub them the wrong way but i'm a cable tv commentator, not a president or senator or congressman. >> there's obviously a lot of discontent and from what we're hearing, anger being directed to the white house by democrats, by senior democrats, democrats in congress. what is your advice? what do you think is going on, what needs to be done if one wants the democratic agenda to move forward? >> very good question. that's what i was addressing. i think that we obviously were forced to deal with the fact that american finance had come close to and maybe still has, will wreck the world economy, and i just don't think that they've been tough enough on these bankers. i don't think they've been tough enough in dealing with this. the think the policy has proven to be the only thing he can do when you have this kind of thing confronted with. i also was critical of the message that was coming out where they said the economic program was working as opposed to we're fighting every day against interest and interest in
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the republican party between the captains of banking, who have actually harmed this country, and we're fighting very hard against powerful interest to make what progress we can. i think that would have been a more effective message. but having said that, i contributed to this president, i voted for him, i support him, i still support him. if he runs again, i can't imagine that i would vote for anybody else but this president. but that doesn't mean that i'm -- can't be sort of critical of things when i see something. i'm doing my job. >> not being more partisan, for basically still talking about bipartisanship, some democrats are now thinking about -- i've read harold ickes and others are thinking of forming groups as others have done, like karl rove's group, to try to funnel money into, you know, for candidates and stuff down the road. which is something the president has actually on objected to in the past. >> yeah, and i mean i think a lot of people are going to go
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their own way and do things, and i don't have a problem with that, but i think there's a lot of things the president can do, and hopefully that he will do that will put him back in good speed with the american people. >> we haven't paused and maybe that's part of the problem, is it a public relations problem? or does it go deeper than that? >> some of it is. i think they could have explained to us what their strategy was and what they're doing. i just think some of it is that we should have been a lot tougher, we should have done something about compensation for these banks that got bailout money. we should have done something to show that we're really not very happy with what they did. i would have certainly had the attorney general be a lot more aggressive than, say, attorney general cuomo was in new york. so -- and i think the democrats paid a price because it looked like we were too lackadaisical
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about what happened during these bailouts and people thought that irresponsible behavior was being rewarded in this instance. and you really can't blame them. i don't blame people for being mad about this. it's something to be mad about. >> james carville, i appreciate your times. >> thank you, anderson. still ahead, our amazing animal series, what scientists are learning from lemurs' powerful brains. i didn't really know they had powerful brains, they seem to have very small brains, but apparently they have very good heads on their shoulders and a good head for numbers but cannot stomach gambling. and later, why is steven seagal lining up to be a lawman in yet another state? he makes our rediculist tonight. ugh, my sinuses... the congestion...
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so when you think of super smart animals, lemurs immediately come to mind. right? probably not. probably don't even know much about lemurs, i certainly didn't. apes and elephants and dolphins are known for their big brains, their intelligence, but some scientists say lemurs also have impressive cognitive abilities. for instance, lemurs have a knack for numbers. did you know that? i didn't. they also hate to gamble. randi kaye tonight explains. >> reporter: the first thing you notice about lemurs are their eyes. they are big and wide and full of curiosity. there you go. you are just the sweetest little
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thing. what are you thinking? that's what we're here to find out. what's going on in that little brain of yours, huh? that's what scientists at duke university's lemur center are trying to figure out. so far they're pretty impressed. they say lemurs are deep thinkers who understand numbers and sequencing, even abstract thinking. here at duke they have the largest captive collection of lemurs in the world. lemurs have actually received a lot less attention than apes and monkeys when it comes to researching how they think. but the folks here at the duke lemur center are looking into how lemurs think because they believe they can offer some insight into how our primate ancestors actually thought about 75 million years ago. isn't that right? duke university professor elizabeth brannon heads up the lemur research here. >> hey, pedro. thanks for helping out today. >> reporter: she says lemurs are so sophisticated when it comes to numbers, they rival monkeys. and like human babies, lemurs
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understand numbers without actually understanding language. we got to see for ourselves how smart lemurs are. my jaw dropped as i watched these primates from madagascar take tests on a computer. this lemur has learned to recognize which square has more red dots. he uses his nose and if he picks the right one, which he mostly does, a sugar pellet drops down. lemurs love sweets. >> we're asking, can the lemur learn an abstract rule about number? can the lemur learn that he always has to choose the smaller number or the larger number. and apply this to pictures that he's had no training on. >> reporter: in this next test the lemur has to work from memory. before the computer test, the lemur was shown several pictures but he never saw all the pictures together. scientists want to know if he can remember which pictures came first in the sequence when he's shown just two of those pictures on the computer screen.
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in no particular order. can lemurs think abstractly and infer things they hadn't been taught directly? >> we're teaching him that one picture, picture a comes before picture b and that picture b comes before picture c and we want to know whether he can figure out the relationship between pictures a and c. >> reporter: professor brennan says this lemur successfully memorized the relationship between the pictures and still remembered it for this test. even though he hadn't seen the pictures in the last two years. >> for a long time it was thought lemurs weren't capable of doing a lot of things that other primates were in the cognitive domain. so in some ways this is surprising how well they're able to do in this task. >> reporter: what else surprised professor brannon? that lemurs, like humans, avoid risk. >> we figured out they really don't like to gamble. >> reporter: how does she know? because in this test lemurs are taught if they choose the
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photograph of the train they could get a bunch of sugar pellets as a reward or possibly no pellets at all. if they choose the safe option, the flag photo, they always get one pellet. brannon says lemurs are smart enough to make an association between the photograph and the outcome. there are exceptions. but even when the risky choice will sometimes deliver more treats, most lemurs prefer the safer option. the photo that guarantees them one treat. >> even if we give them six, seven or eight pellets in the jackpot, they still prefer a single pellet. even though the average payoff is much greater in the risky side. >> reporter: why does any of this matter? professor brannon says it can help humans figure out how our thinking evolved. >> what are the fundamental building blocks upon which complex human cultures and systems of knowledge are built. and by studying these kinds of thought processes in lemurs and
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monkeys and apes and other animals, we can begin to shed insight into that kind of question. >> reporter: and while professor brannon doesn't expect lemurs to be learning calculus anytime soon, she does believe we've only scratched the surface of their amazing intelligence. randi kaye, cnn, durham, north carolina. >> they are truly amazing looking. still ahead, steven seagal makes our rediculist. we'll explain why, ahead. [ male announcer ] an everyday moment can turn romantic anytime. and when it does, men with erectile dysfunction can be more confident in their ability to be ready with cialis for daily use. cialis for daily use is a clinically proven low-dose tablet you take every day, so you can be ready anytime the moment's right. ♪ tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications,
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tonight? actor and all around awesome lawman steven seagal. sheriff arpaio, 56 people have just been sworn into the immigration posse whose duties include searching for vehicles searching for illegals as well as spotting houses where they might live. you can agree or disagree with sheriff arpaio and his methods. steven seagal has signed up for this immigration posse. he's already signed up to protect the people of jefferson parish, louisiana. he has an entire show on it on a & e. "steven seagal lawman." if you've not seen, it you are missing something really, really special. >> today i'm going to teach these boys some new tricks. we can flip it like that. but from here you've got to be able to turn him over so that he
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