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150,000 people died in liberia, a conflict through which charles taylor, trained by gadhafi, is now in the hague for. this man had a horrible effect and was never held accountable. his war crimes were ab solved by the west with crude oil. >> the end of a man. wolf blitzer has more on this breaking story. "the situation room" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- happening now, breaking news. the death of gadhafi sparking wild celebrations in libya. a joyous victory in a bloody revolution. cameras were rolling at the secretary of state, hillary clinton, learned of gadhafi's fate. you're going to see her reaction to this stunning news. and what's next for libya now that gadhafi is dead? we'll hear from senators john mccain, lindsey graham and more. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world.
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i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." gunfire, honking horns, celebrations in cities across libya, marking the death of gadhafi. we're following all the breaking news this hour. the man who ruthlessly ruled the country for 42 years was killed today outside his hometown of sirte. he was 69 years old. president obama said his death marks the end of a long and painful chapter for libya. >> one year ago, the notion of a free libya seemed impossible. but then the libyan people rose up. and demanded their rights. and when gadhafi and his forces started going city to city, town by town to brutalize men, women
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and children, the world refused to stand idly by. faced with the potential of mass atrocities and a call for help from the libyan people, the united states and our friends and allies stopped gadhafi's forces in their tracks. there will be difficult days ahead. but the united states, together with the international community, is committed to the libyan people. you have won your revolution. >> let's go straight to the libyan capital right now where dan rivers is in tripoli for us. dan, we're about to show our viewers of video of a bloody moammar gadhafi after the capture while he's still alive. what do you know about gadhafi's final moments? >> reporter: well, this video does shed some light on it. it's tough to watch. but i think it's important to
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have a look at this. you can clearly see that gadhafi is alive when you look at this footage. he is being led away. he looks like he's got a lot of blood on his face. but he is clearly alive. at this point. it seems then that at some point between this video being taken and a subsequent video being taken that he clearly died. now, whether he died of his injuries he sustained when shot, some sources have us believe or whether he was literally beaten to death by this mob of ntc troops sort of pistol whipped to death, we don't know. but clearly here, he seems alive. you get a real visceral sense from this footage of just how roughly he was handled here. naturally perhaps one can imagine that the passion is running so high, but also, i have to stop for that shooting there. but also a sense that you know,
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he clearly had been injured when they got him and at some point between that video being taken and then the subsequent shots of him dead on the ground, he died. we have no results on whether he died from a gun shot wound or beaten to death. >> reuters suggesting that he died from a gun shot wound to his head. we don't know if that's true or not and i suspect, dan, people are going to be taking it very, very close at all of the video, all of the still pictures to try to get a better sense. the bottom line though, he died one way or the other. we don't know if he died in the incident or subsequently execute ed with a gun shot wound to his head, but go ahead. people on the street i assume, they're still celebrating. >> and how they are celebrating. i don't know if you can make out behind me all of those twinkling
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lights in the background. this is a massive traffic cue people held up people firing their weapons into the air. there are huge crowds in mart r square as they call it now. you can hear is screech of tires as people spin their cars around in celebration and delight. but there is also poignancy and sadne sadness, from some people remembering their loved ones who were killed as part of this revolution. their loved ones who were killed at the hands of gadhafi's regime, but i think no one here will ever forget the 20th of october 2011 in libya. it will be a day of great historical imimportance. they will be naming streets and plazas after this date for many years to come. we haven't gotten the fine detail as to how gadhafi was killed. we're getting word of a nato air strike involving french jets and
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a predator drone we're told that took a shot at his convoy. saying they believe gadhafi survived that strike. we then see from the footage out of sirte that he was apparently hiding in a concrete tunnel under the road, a drainage ditch, and that's where he was found. apparently found alive according to that footage. we don't know quite how he died or who killed him then or whether he just died f o the injuries he sustained in the gun battle. >> that celebrate gunfire, people are are firing their weapons into the air. what do we know about gadhafi's burial? >> it's going to be incredibly sensitive, wolf. what do they do with that body? they don't want to create a shrine to gadhafi loyalists anywhere in this country, but
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religious tradition would dictate they have to bury that body within 24 hours of him being killed, so whether they decide to put it in an unmarked grave in the desert or bury it at sea, i don't know. that is going to have to be something they deal with. we understand his body was taken to a mosque in misrata. we have no word on what's happened there since then. there is footage floating around one of the ntc websites, the february 17th website, which apparently shows the body arriving in. >> michele: >> and the sons, there was a picture shown on libyan television showing he was killed in the operation. there are conflicting reports about the other son. very well-known in libya outside of libya. what can you tell us? what hard information can we have about the state?
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>> well, in short, we have no hard information on whether he's alive or dead. there's lots of swirling rumors. the prime minister talked of his convoy being involved in a fire fight, but we've had no confirming whether he is alived or captured. lots of suggestions that he may have been killed. no word officially yet. we've heard from one defense official confirming that watson was killed in sirte. that's one source. i've got to be cautious on this because of the misinformation given out in the past by members of the ntv. one is the son's national security adviseadviser, a man w helped to lead the final fight in sirte was killed and as well as some sources suggesting that the head of intelligence here was also killed.
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>> the ambassador in washington, the libyan ambassador saying that yes, this defense minister was also killed. dan, stand by. we're going to get back to you. i know there's a lot more to get into. some additional details about the role that nato and the united states may have played in the actual death of gadhafi. barbara starr is working this part of the story for us, so what are you learning about how this went down? >> well, let me pick up on what dan rivers was talking about. u.s. and nato officials are saying this began to unfold earlier today on the ground in sirte when nato warplanes struck a convoy. multiple vehicles moving through the area that they said posed a military threat. now, what we know subsequently is they have confirmed that a french warplane and a u.s. predator drone, french and u.s., both fired weapons against that convoy. gadhafi was in that convoy. he did not die by all accounts
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as a result of that air strike, but as you saw, somehow, excited the vehicle and then died with the rebels and other fighters in sirte. how he died still remains to be absolutely confirmed. did he die at the hands of the rebels in in some fire fight as the fighting was going on around sirte? but we know that the u.s. military fired a missile from a predator drone as well as a french mirage warplane, so there was heavy action against the convoy, but it turned out he was traveling in. >> is the nato mission about to wind down? >> by all accounts. the secretary general putting out a statement indicating that. what we expect to happen in the next couple of day ss there will be a recommendation to nato ministers from the military side
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of nato. that they can terminate. they can essentially end this military operation nato has been conducting since march. that they will find that essentially, the now emerging government forces, the transitional national council has sufficient powers, authority, that they can control the security situation in the country. there still will be fire fights from loyalists. holdouts in certain areas, make no mistake, but that basically, the finding will be that the job of nato is now down and you should expect to see a special session of nato's north atlantic counsel convened in the next few days to take that vote to end this, wolf. >> we'll see if this does serve as a precedent. maybe syria will have more on this story. thanks very much. other new details are coming out about gadhafi's death. several media reports suggesting
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that he was carrying his so-called golden gun with him when he was captured and that a young libyan man used the gun to kill gadhafi. cnn has not been able to confirm these reports, but we're continuing to dig deeper. we'll bring you any new details as soon as we get them. there, you see the golden gun that according to a lot of reports, was used. gadhafi's own golden gun to actually kill him. more coming up on that. as you know, president obama spoke out directly about gadhafi's death. just a little while ago, two hours or so ago, brianna keilar is at the white house with more. president spent about five minutes in the rose garden at the white house making his statement. >> he did, wolf. and now, white house officials are facing a lot of questions about whether the death of moammar gadhafi justifies the u.s. military involvement in the
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operation in libya. this is something the president addressed a little bit, but the white house line, the line from president obama is that this is a victory for the libyan people, although listen to what he said and you'll notice he's taking some cautious credit. >> without putting a single u.s. service member on the ground, we achieved our objectives and our nato mission will soon come to an end. >> so now the question is what about u.s. involvement perhaps in other nations that have faced similar transitions or uprisings. for instance, syria. in libya, we saw more u.s. direct involvement initially in the no fly zone. eventually as u.s. officials would pit, they took more of a support role, more of a financial contributions came from the u.s. and you'll hear the white house and president obama tout over and over that there were no u.s. service members on the ground in libya. what about this approach somewhere else, wolf? you mentioned it perhaps in
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syria, where the u.n. is now estimating that 3,000 civilians have been killed in clashes with government forces. the answer to that question is very unclear, but it was joe biden who really spoke most in a specific way. here's what he said earlier this morning. >> america spent $2 billion total and didn't lose a single life. this is more of the prescription for how to deal with the world. >> i asked jay carney if the president agrees with that and he basically said that this was the right strategy for libya, but largely stuck to the white house line, wolf, that we've heard, which is that each of these countries where there had been uprisings must be dealt with in a case by case basis and when it comes to syria, he
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really didn't go there. >> other officials are speaking out. we'll have more on this part of the story. thanks very much. senator john mccain is congratulating britain and france for their role in the revolution, but he's still critical of the obama administration. >> if we had declared a no fly zone early on, we would have never had gadhafi would have fallen at the beginning. >> here's a question. does the president deserve any credit? i'll ask senator mccain. the breaking news coverage continues after this. there's only one bottle left ! i've got to tell susie ! the vending machine on elm is almost empty.
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the celebration continuing on the streets of libya. throughout the country. we're following the breaking news this hour. the death of the libyan dictator, moammar gadhafi. i talked about it earlier with john mccain, the ranking member of the senate armed services committee and i asked whether the obama administration deserves any credit. >> i congratulate the british and french for their leadership and their effort and so, it's been a significant success and we should celebrate today. >> but the u.s. played a significant role in this nato operation. not just the british and the french, senator mccain. the first two weeks in particular, u.s. tom hawk cruise missiles. the obama administration from your perspective deserves a lot of credit for this, don't they? >> i think they deserve credit.
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if we had declared a no fly zone early on, gadhafi would have fallen at the beginning. the second thing is that if we had used our capabilities, the a10, this would have been over a long time ago, but i think the administration deserves credit, but i especially appreciate the leadership of the british and french in carrying out this success. >> what do you think the u.s. should do with the 30 or $33 billion in frozen libyan assets that have been held over these past several months? >> well, the libyans obviously, they are going to reimburse us and our allies for the expenditures that were entailed in this operation. they obviously are going to be a very wealthy country and again, if we send a hospital ship to tripoli to help them with their wounded, they have 30,000 wounded, wolf. we could send some of their wounded to our hospital in land. right now, this is one of their
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key requirements. we, senator rubio, kirk and graham and i went to the hospital there in tripoli. they don't know how to care for these kinds of wounds and people harmed in conflict and we could be of enormous help and generate enormous good will by helping out in that respect. >> are you saying that you have when you were in libya, received official confirmation from the transitional authority there, the interim government, that they will reimburse taxpayers approximately $1 billion that have been spent? >> they said they would seriously consider it. they did not make a commitment to me and nor should they have, but they certainly have showed a willingness to do so. >> i asked the question -- >> after desert storm. >> i remember when the kuwaitees basically paid for the liberation of their country.
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i asked the question, because there's been some suggestion before the u.s. were to transfer back that $33 billion in frozen assets, it deduct a billion dollars for u.s. expenses and deduct other expenses that other nato allies like france, britain, italy may have had. would that be smart, legal, to simply deduct? >> i don't think it's illegal or smart. there are some nations that now have a government that's recognized basically throughout the world and i think it would gener generate enormous ill will if we carried out such activity. i don't know who would suggest such a thing. >> well, there have been those suggestions. among others, i've written about it myself, but that's just me. >> okay. >> so, for what it's worth on our blog. but that's just -- >> not a matter of money, wolf. it's their money that's been frozen. it's not our money.
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>> and the obama administration -- by the way, the obama administration takes the same position you're taking, that the u.s. shouldn't simply unilaterally eliminate or deduct some of the funds that have been spend, but let's get out to the bigger picture. >> could i just point out quickly, libyans right now are very grateful to us and there's enormous good will there and if we can help them succeed getting these weapons under control, helping them organize their government, with their wounded, there will be a lot of further good will here and that's important especially in that part of the world. >> you make an excellent point and if you look at the sweep of changes, it's breathtaking. you think a year ago what was going on over there and you take a look at how it's changed over these many months now. it's dramatic and no one has been more closely associated in watching what's going on than
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you, senator. thanks very much. any final point you want to make? zpl i think it's a great day. the administration deserves great credit. i had different ideas. the world is a better place and the libyan people now have a chance, but this is just the beginning. we know how hard democracy is. they're going to need a lot of assistance. not in money, but in other ways and i think we're should be eager to provide. >> we just heard from senator john mccain and let's now hear from gloria borger. has been praise for the president and administration. >> it was and look, he had different ways of doing this. he wanted us to go in unilaterally. but still, john mccain was a lot more generous than the other republicans we've heard from, the presidential candidates, wolf. instead, none of them said i give barack obama credit, which
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john mccain said. instead, they're talking about what happens in the future in libya, how do you deal with gadhafi's remaining stockpiles? how do you make sure they're on their way to democracy? but it was only john mccain who said he deserves credit. >> listen to joe biden because he seemed to suggest this could be a template for future u.s. and nato missions. >> in this terrible beauty, this all changed world, what happened? nato got it right. and guess what? libya, gadhafi, one way or another, is gone. whether he's alive or dead. he's gone. the people of libya have gotten rid of a dictator of 40 years who i personally knew. this is one tough not so nice guy. and guess what? they got a chance now, but what happened? in this case, america spent $2
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billion total and didn't lose a single life. this is more the prescription for how to deal with the world as we go forward. >> he's, i guess taking some credit for this, implicitly criticizing the previous bush administration. >> they don't want to come out and brag about it, but they do see that the alliance worked, that the united states provided the strategic support, which was considerable that it needed to provide and that this is the way you need to think of these actions in the future, wolf, as we look at the reductions we need to see in the military budget. what's even more interesting though, wolf, is the way the republican party is split on this. the democrats are united, but it's the republicans who are split. john mccain really is the last, one of the last remaining hawks in the republican party. of the presidential candidates.
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ron paul, jon huntsman and michele bachmann, all of them said we should not have been in libya in the first place, which is why they're not about congratulating barack obama. >> so, the president of the united states on his watch, bin laden killed, anwar al awlaki killed. gadhafi killed. is it going to be beneficial on his re-election day? >> if it is, it's going to be at the margin. this is a white house that probably wishes foreign policy is going to be as important in this election as it was in 2008. take a look at these polls. we asked how the president is handling both foreign affairs and the economy. foreign affairs, 47%. the economy, 36%. the election is not going to be about foreign policy. even though he rates better on it, so if the president didn't get a substantial bounce out of
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the killing of osama bin laden, he's not going to get a substantial bounce out of this. >> hold on a minute because we're just getting this report in from reuters. the acting libyan prime minister citing what he says is a forensic report now providing details on the death of gadhafi. he says this. gadhafi was taken out of a sewage pipe. he didn't show any resistance when we started moving him, he was hit by a bullet in his right arm and when they put him in a truck, he did not have any other injuries. this is what he is quoted as saying and reading from the frenzy report. he says when the car was moving, it was caught in cross fire between the revolutionaries and gadhafi forces in which he was hit by a bullet in the head. the forensic doctor could not tell if it came from the revolutionaries or gadhafi's forces. gadhafi was alive when taken from sirte, but died a few
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minutes before reaching the hospital. this according to the prime minister. i suspect we're going to be getting a lot of information. some will be contradictory. some will be made up. some will be accurate. it's all just the beginning. >> but he's clearly making the point this was not an outright assassination and that somehow, gadhafi was caught in the cross fire here. we're not sure who hit him, but i think the key point is here that we didn't assassinate him point-blank. >> that's what the libyans are saying. there will always be suspiciouses, conspiracies and we're learning more about the u.s. and nato role in hitting that convoy, especially with that predator drone. don't go too far away as well. the arab spring movement claims the life of a dictator. two experts on the revolution tell us what's next for libya, the middle east. stand by. it does something to your heart. i think what people like most about the grilled food is the taste. the flavor comes from that oak wood.
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got everybody here. i'm happy, so happy. >> lots of happy people there celebrating in libya with the death of moammar gadhafi, the arab spring certainly has taken on more meaning. it's taken on its latest leader as well. joining us now, two people who have been closely following these revolutions. nick kristof is the columnist
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from "the new york times" joining us from new york and arwa damon. all of us only a few months ago had high expectations. you are in cairo. you've been to libya. in egypt, it hasn't worked out the way so many of the young egyptians wanted. at least not yet. what do you expect to see in libya over the coming months? >> you know, there are a lot of very smart people who are very weary of how things are going to go. they point out that libya is a tribal society. doesn't have tradition of a civil society. i'm more optimistic. i think that the amount of money that libya has from oil, the good will that it has from the west, the relatively small population are all going to work in its favor. i was just really encouraged when i was in libya last month to see the degree to which ordinary libyans are willing to forgive the pro gadhafi forces. instead of looting their homes and beating them up, they were willing to forgive them and move
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ahead. >> what about you, arwa? you've spent some quality time in libya as well. you as hopeful at nick is? >> well, it's very difficult to actually gauge that, wolf, because and i will go wak to what one young woman in tripoli said. she said back then, was asked if tripoli was falling, she was saying we've got rid of gadhafi, but we have to get rid of gadhafi's mentality. the country has to move past this mentality of trying to build up military police state institutions, has to move past ruling by the gun. and we have this ongoing issues, these tribal issues that are existing. the fact that misrata appears like a break away city. what it is really going to boil down to right now is exactly what sort of sacrifices are the libyan people willing to make. are these various groups willing to make for the sake of their
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country. >> nick, the white house just released the statement, president obama just completed a video conference call with chancellor merkel of germany, sarkozy of france, cameron of the united kingdom and at the end, they say they welcome the end of the gadhafi regime and agreed it is an extraordinary day for the nato-led coalition and above all, for the libyan people. this nato-led mission, which was successful in libya, is it a precursor for what could happen elsewhere in the region? specifically referring to syria. >> no. i frankly don't think it is. there are a lot of places where governments try to massacre their own people. i think it's going to be rare that the conditions come together as they did in libya, that are going to allow an international coalition to intervene in this way. in syria, you don't have a
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local, you know, rebellion in some corner of syria that outsiders can support and in addition, libyans basically wanted a nato intervention. syrians i think don't. so, i think it's going to -- there may in the future, but some instances where we can turn to libya as a precedent. i don't think that syria is one of them. >> arwa, you spent a little time in syria. you're one of the last journalists actually allowed in syria to see what's going on. we know according to human rights groups, what, 3,000 human rights groups have been killed, thousands more have been imprisoned and injured. do the syrian people in syria, do they want the international community through the un security council and nato to get involved? >> well, wolf, there isn't really a unified voice that speaks out of syria.
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there is a voice pretty much of those who oppose the regime, but there is a division as to what the next step should be. what we have however been hearing even more of is a very angry call for some sort of military intervention, especially from activists inside syria. even the few months ago, people were very strong against saying they were too fearful this was going to lead to more bloodshed to civil war. n now, it seems more people believe they have no choice than to see that take place, but as nick was pointing out, the dynamics, the situation in syria, is different from that that existed in libya, plus, the opposition outside of libya is still trying to maintain a fairly peaceful movement, saying they want to see things happening like greater ploliticl pressure. so, we're seeing this division within the syrian opposition itself and plus, you have a
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situation on the ground that quite simply would not allow for a nato-style intervention nor is there the appetite for it. >> we're getting in new video. i haven't seen it myself. all three of us, let's watch it, then we'll discuss. all right, you see this al
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jazira video. arwa, what was the announcer saying? >> he was basically giving an over view of how this was the fate of a man who ignored the calls of his people. the people looking for freedom, democracy. this is basically the same rhetoric we have been hearing throughout all of this. of course, one of the big questions this has raised, had these various dictators acted differently at the onset of demonstratio demonstrations, could they have prevented this type of fate. at this point, the libyans and other countries, if the governments had initially in fact listened to the people, they could have perhaps saved themselves. but it's very interesting to note that time after time after time, these various governments to egypt to libya to syria, they
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have continued to crack down in such a way that the people have gone from asking for regime reform to change. >> one final question to you, nick. you see the video. some of this is very graphic. gadhafi being bloodied and now this, being dead. is this good or bad that the whole world is watching gadhafi in this situation like this, that libyan authorities are allowing us to see for that matter, i want your perspective like me. we always like more information, but what do you think in terms of the reaction that will unfold by allowing us to see all these pictures? >> well, they're grizzly, but i think the main reaction is going to be in other dictatorships and people are going to focus more on the fact that what had seemed impossible at the beginning of this year, that a man who had ruled for 42 years would not but not only out of power, but
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actually dead. earlier today i tweeted that this was going to be reverber e reverberating through and getting moral support through protesters in syria, yemen. got a barrage of tweets back from bahrain, us, too. i think it is going to have that effect in every place where there is a dictatorship. >> not only the middle east and north africa, but elsewhere, maybe even in a place like north korea. that may be a little farfetched. >> and china. >> and nick says maybe in china. guys, thanks very much. they know this region well. meanwhile, america's top diplomat gets the news of gadhafi's fate. we're going to show you how hillary clinton reacted. she spoke with our own jill daugherty moments after she found out more of the breaking news right here in "the situation room." i'd never ride without one now. and since my doctor prescribed lipitor, i won't go without it for my high cholesterol
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these are live pictures from misrata, 10:45 p.m. local time. people are celebrating. they're going to be celebrating in libya, towns and cities and villages throughout the night. that's because the former leader of libya, moammar gadhafi, is now dead. secretary of state hillary clinton is traveling throughout the region right now. she learned of the death of gadhafi while in kabul, afghanistan, when an aide handed her a blackberry with the news. look at this. look at her r reaction. >> wow. unconfirmed. yeah. unconfirmed. no. unconfirmed reports about gadhafi being captured. unconfirmed. yeah.
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we've had too many, had him captured a couple of times. >> let's bring in jill daugherty. she's traveling with the secretary. they're now in islamabad, pakistan. jill, you had a chance to sit down. you interviewed secretary clinton shortly after she learned the news about gadhafi. we saw her, wow, when she got that blackberry indication. what did she tell you? >> even at this point, it was not confirmed as you heard. she said herself, unconfirmed, so they were scrambling to get more information and she said i can't confirm it, but if it is true and i asked her, if it were, what would it mean, and she said it would be very important. here's how she phrased it. >> you know, jill, i think it would add a lot of legitimacy and validation and relief to the formation of the new government. the tnc made it very clear when i was in tripoli that they
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wanted to wait until sirte fell before they declared libya liberated and then started forming a new government, but they knew that if gadhafi were or still is at large, they would have continuing security problems that were deeply concerning to them, which they stared with me. because they had ever reason to believe he would try to martial for support. so if he's removed from the scene, there may still be those who would do so, but without the organizing figure of gadhafi and that makes a big difference. >> and you know, secretary clinton just two days ago, was in libya. she was at a kind of town hall meeting in which she expressed the belief that if he were captured or killed, it actually could be a good thing because then the libyan people would be able to move on and i think that's what you're hearing from
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this administration, which is they can now go to the next political steps and hopefully move away from some of the fighting. move to the political change they really need. >> so, she's bottom line, based on everything you've learned, upbeat looking ahead as far as the future of libya is concerned. is that fair, jill? >> well, i think, maybe upbeat might be a little bit too much, wolf, but i think they are hopeful. certainly the libya has more chances than some of the other arab spring countries, especially with their oil wells. they do not need assistance for the most part. financial stance. what they need now is a lot of help with medical care. how to run elections and moving forward on that civilian side. >> and potentially libya is a wealthy country, a major oil exporting country, a member of opec and have some money if they do it right.
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jill daugherty, thank you. a brutal dictator with some very, very bizarre habits. we're going to hear from someone who met with moammar gadhafi in his tent. stand by. there's only one bottle left ! i've got to tell susie ! the vending machine on elm is almost empty. i'm on it, boss.
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some of the images, very, very happy bunch of people in libya. moammar gadhafi is dead. they've been celebrating now for hours. i assume they'll be celebrating throughout the night, indeed, for the days to come. you're looking at live pictures from misrata. it's getting close to 11:00 p.m. there and the folks are celebrating. you hear occasionally some segu shots. people very, very happy. gadhafi as so many know, was certainly known for his cruelty and for some pretty bizarre personal behavior and habits. john had a chance to sit down with the now deceased libyan leader just a few years ago. listen to this. >> he was the strangest head of state i've ever met. moammar gadhafi received me several years ago for an
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interview in a large tent in tripoli. a then quiet port city where just about every billboard and sign was painted with his picture. reagan once called him a mad dog and his behavior was indeed particular. he was famous for his flamboyant dress, his legion of female bodyguards and fixations. in person, he seemed lethargic. his eems seemed unfocused. his answers seemed rambling. we never saw the female bodyguards and his clothing was relatively low key. a camouflage shirt with maps of africa, but that fly whisp never stopped flying. libya today is in transition. its people are demanding democracy, but when i brought up democracy, he threatened to sue me for slander. >> translator: if you or somebody else says libya is not
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a democracy, he told us, then it would be considered an insult. then we could go to court to redeem honor for that insult. >> back then, libya was a rogue state trying redeem itself. it was trying to open its economy to the world. its leader was the wild card. the unpredictable element. now, he's gone and libya's future is the big unknown. >> much more coming up on what's going on in libya. also, a check of the day's other top stories. $37 billion belonging to libya frozens in united states. what will happen to all of that money? get ready, we're digging deeper. [ horn honks ] hey, it's sandra -- from accounting. peter. i can see that you're busy... but you were gonna help us crunch the numbers for accounts receivable today. i mean i know that this is important. well, both are important. let's be clear. they are but this is important too.
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the journalist captured in libya is now back in the country. james foley was captured by forces loyal to gadhafi this past april. lisa sylvester is joininging us with more. >> foley actually returned back to libya despite being held captive for five weeks and was in sirte this morning and i had to chance to speak to him just a few minutes ago. we did a phone interview and
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this is what he told me of how everything went down this morning. >> it was a convoy of gadhafi loyalists that tried to escape after heavy bombing earlier in the morning. apparently, a nato aircraft struck the convoy and stopped the convoy. the revolutionaries followed and there was a fire fight and they were able to drag him from the hole he was hiding in. >> there are pictures that they look almost like -- of some sort. is that where they pulled him out of? >> yeah, and he was clearly alive. he was injured, but alive. and then later, he appeared with a bullet through his head and a bullet through his abdomen. >> now, foley traveled from sirte earlier today. he's continuing on with reporting. he told me that right now, he's still on the trail.
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he's trying get a copy of gadhafi's death certificate and i asked him to describe the mood of -- where his body was taken. he said people are quite j jubila jubilant. excited, people coming out into the streets. an interesting note, wolf, a lot of this is being captured via sloan cameras and being uploaded on to youtube. one of the more interesting developments about this story, wolf. >> thank you. you're in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news. the brutal death of a brutal dictator. video appears to confirm gadhafi was captured alive by libyan revolutionary forces in or near his hometown of sirte. we're piecing together varying accounts of how he later died. reuters reporting he was killed during a shootout. libyans are celebrating his
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demise after his 42-year reign of terror. at least one of gadhafi's sons reportedly was killed as well. president obama says the libyan people now have won their revolution and he's promising the nato mission in libya will end soon. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- his face instilled fear in the libyan people for four decades. now, the image of his dead body is sparking celebrations in the streets of libya. we want to warn you. we have new video coming into us that is very graphic. but it appears to prove that one of the world's longest serving dictator is indeed gone. we're also getting reports of how gadhafi died after he was captured. reuters is quoting the prime minister as saying gadhafi died from a bullet wound to his head
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during a shooting between rebel fighters and reporters. dan rivers is in tripoli. you're learning new details on the drone strike only moments before. tell us what you learned. >> okay, so we're building up a picture of a nato air strike before gadhafi was captured on his convoy. nato saying that gadhafi they believe was not killed in the air strike. clearly, he's shown in that footage alive. we're told a predator drone was involved firing a hell fire missile. what we appear to have is the ntc forces moving into a big fire fight breaking out, gadhafi's convoy tries to escape along the road. we think to the west. there is an air strike. it appears gadhafi takes cover
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in a drainage ditch underneath the road and it's there that he is captured by ntc forces and that's when we pick up this video that we can show you, the graphic video that shows him being dragged out on the front of a pick-up truck surrounded by ntc forces. he's bloody, injured, but alive at this point. and then, this is where our information sort of peters out. we know he ends up dead. we're not sure how he dies and whether he was beaten to death by the crowd or shot in the head as reuters reporting. now, we talked to the pathologist here in tripoli, who is due to go and look at gadhafi's body. he hasn't done that yet and he is bemused by these reports that gadhafi was shot through the head because he hasn't had a chance to examine the body yet, so it may be a little premature
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to say that it is certain. some reports that gadhafi was shot by his own pistol, which would suggest he was basically executed by forces. other reports suggesting he was shot and killed in the cross fire as a gun battle broke out. all this we're hoping to try and clarify in the coming hours, wolf, but one thing is certain. they're pretty happy on the streets behind me. >> we're hearing the gunfire. it's now past 11:00 p.m. in tripoli. where you are throughout libya. the people are celebrating, is there know any sense of apprehension? not knowing what the future may bring? >> maybe a little bit, wolf, but think at the moment the overwhelming feeling is one of relief, of happiness, of reflection. thinking about the enormous historical nature of today and the 42 years that have passed.
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we had a good chance to talk to people in martyr square. here's the flavor of what they were telling me. >> we are very free and i feel that my birthday is today. lucky that i'm six hours old. really. we're free without him. >> been reborn. >> i feel reborn, really are. i can't express my happiness, really. >> is there disappointment that colonel gadhafi will not be put on trial? >> we prefer that we have got him alive, however, it is different maybe -- so they don't come out again. >> so people, perhaps a little regretful that they can't hold him to account for the horrendous way that he treated people here and for the
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brutality meeted out on the l libyan people, but as you can see here behind me, the overwhelming feeling is one of happiness and relief. >> we're learning more and more details about the death of gadhafi, but we'll check back with you. thanks very, very much. let's go to the pentagon where chris lawrence is standing by. we seem to be getting a picture of how he died. what are you learned from your sources at the pentagon and elsewhere about what happens next? >> wolf, i think one of the things that the pentagon and entire obama administration is very concerned with is what happens to these weapons. the weapons that are out there that were in libya's arsonal. first off, you've got about ten tons of the mustard gas. this is a particularly verulent chemical agent that can cause severe blistering on the skin. it can cause blistering in the respiratory system. now, those sites are believed to be secured.
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the state department has a team of about 14 people that are embedded with a team of ntc officials guarding these sites. i was talking to a senior official who said we're keeping constant ariel survey lens of these areas as well. the chief of staff getting daily updates that yes, these chemical weapon rs still secure. now, you've got the problems also of these thousands of shoulder fired missiles. although the state department has been to a lot of sites, hundreds have been disabled, right now, there are still thousands of these that have gone missing and the obama administration has been up front in saying terrorists have already expressed interests in obtaining these. they're old. by most military standards, these are not something that could go against a modern military arsenal, but they're very small. only weigh about 30 pounds. four feet long. extremely easy to conceal and
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there is a real danger these could be used against a civilian airplane or helicopter since they can reach up to 10,000 feet in the air. >> any expectation of u.s. military support, u.s. military assistance to libya right now, the aftermath of gadhafi's death? >> well, what we believe is going to happen is once the u.n. security counsel passes its new resolution, it supersedes the old one, that's going to sort of shape the new guidance for nato and nato's going to have to come up with a plan for how to help, how military support will happen from this point forward. british official said it could take the form of intelligence, surveillan surveillance, reconnaissance assets being handed over to help the libyan government. securing not only land borders, but waters and air space. also, help with training to help build up the libyan army.
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>> thanks very much. let's dig a little deeper. libya's ambassador to the united states is joining us here in "the situation room." mr. ambassador, thanks very much for coming in. give us the basics o based on what you're hearing from your government in tripoli right now. we know gadhafi is dead. no doubt about that. we know his son is dead. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> what about his other son? >> it was not confirmed. >> so he still may be alive. >> i think shortly, they will get him if he's still around. >> you and i have spoken about the burial. have you heard where? a secret location, public location, at sea? >> maybe the latest that maybe he will be buried unknown to the people. >> because they don't want people to -- >> don't want people to make a big issue out of it. >> because according to islamic tradition, he has to be buried within 24 hours.
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>> sooner is better. >> the sooner -- >> going to misrata to declare liberation of libya -- >> here's the prime minister. he's the chairman, so they're going to go to misrata and do what? >> declare liberation of libya from gadhafi and end of the fighting. >> and that's it. >> and that's it. >> we're getting all these conflicting reports how gadhafi was killed. i know you're thousands of miles away from sirte, where he was killed, what do you know? >> but the telephone make it shorter distance. yeah, gadhafi was killed in change of fire when they find out where is he. . >> where was he at the time? i know he's in sirte, but in a hole, a building? a convoy? >> he was in a hole and living with the rats now, but the rats
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just came out from the ground when they get close after him and he was killed in the change of fire. >> take a look at that picture over there on the screen. was that the hole where he was hiding? so, what happened? they corner him? he kauld out of the wo hole, then what? >> then exchange of fire between him and the revolutionaries. >> so, he had a so-called golden gun in his hand. is that right? >> you see the gun that was shown? >> he had it in his hand? >> i can't confirm this, wolf. i really don't know about this exact details. the main question to me this morning when i hear the news, what happened to gadhafi? they told me he was killed. are you sure? they said, yes. can i read this statement? they said yes. then i called benghazi again and the same statement came out. for people, the main issue, the
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gadhafi era is over. >> so, when he crawled out of that hole, was he resisting? firing a weapon? >> i really don't have more details than what i told you about, how did he act. looks like no resistance from himself, but came from the bodyguards with him. but from him, he was not shooting. >> the prime minister says he has a forensic report saying that gadhafi actually died from a bullet to the head. >> that's what i do understand, too, yeah. >> and somebody -- >> of course -- it looked -- >> in a battle? >> if he's in the hands of the revolutionists, he will not be executed. the libyan people first demand they want gadhafi alive. they want to ask him about his criminals against the libyan people. they wanted a trial.
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unfortunately, doesn't -- they end up gadhafi doesn't come the way they like it. >> we've heard reports all day there was a nato air strike on a convoy leaving sirte. and there are some suspicion that gadhafi and his loyalists were in that convoy. french planes bombed the convoy. the u.s. predator drone bombed that convoy. was gadhafi, as far as you know, mr. ambassador, in that convoy? >> he was not killed by nato. that's for sure. but the nato strike part of that convoy, that's true. but gadhafi was confront by the libyan revolutionary. even the nato, they made this correct of the information was been published for the last few hours. >> but gadhafi himself was in that convoy even though he wasn't killed by any of the nato equipped? >> i really cannot confirm if he was not convoy or hiding in the sewage where the incident taking
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place. this, all this small details maybe we be able to get them later on, but this moment, people, they're celebrating the end of the era of gadhafi. >> so, what do you do next? what happens now? walk us through the process in libya because from the u.s., from nato's perspective, they're hoping that there will be a transition to democracy, elections, freedom. are you updebt booet about that? >> of course. what the libyans died for. for freedom, for election, for democracy and what the nato held libya for. they held the libyan to achieve all these things cht we want democratic countries. libyan participation. that's what we want. >> so, what happens now? nato's getting ready to end this operation as we've known it in the next few days. is that good or bad? >> look, wolf, we need the support of friends not time of war. we need the support of them in the time of peace. >> tell us what you want the
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united states and nato allies and arab allies who came to your help, kuwait, jordan, didn't they come? >> let us talk about the united states first. what we need now, to treat our injured. >> to treat your injured people. because senator mccain has said that the u.s. should send over a huge hospital ships. >> maybe it will take about three weeks to arrive -- >> has your government made a formal request for one of these huge us navy hospital ships? >> this has been discussed during the senator visit and during secretary clinton visit. >> she was there yesterday. >> then they can also often be the hospitals for patients. >> have they agreed? has the obama administration -- >> i'm very optimistic. today, i have no time to conduct, to go and speak to the
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government, to the state department, but i'm going to do as soon as possible. then this number one, help the injured. stay with the libyan. you have to support the libyan to stand up on their feet and to practice their democracy and to evolve more democratic institution in the libyan process and we want all to have our people to be trained. we are big country with small population. we want more professional people. this is a very important issue. the europe, they can do that. the american, they can do that. >> so, the most important thing the united states can do right now, send over a hospital ship to treat the injured in libya and also make u.s. and european hospitals. >> exactly. >> open to treat -- you don't have enough hospitals and doctors and nurses in libya. what about anything else you want the united states to do? >> well, i think they're being great job. i'm grateful to president obama. to the congress and to the
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people and to you. you put the cause of libya to the media in the best way i ever seen in my life and you support and cnn and the other channels, of course. that's what, we want to support to help the libyan, to go through the process and we want also, some expert to help us to get rid of this kind of missiles which gadhafi took them. we don't know where they are. >> the shoulder fired -- >> after the end of gadhafi will not see people fighting. gadhafi is over. the ones fighting with the gadhafi -- >> on the black market and get in the hands of terrorists. >> they will have, they have no place to sell them in libya. >> the concern is they could get out of libya. >> no, i think the border now are tight. i think especially aft after gadhafi's era is over, i think will be very difficult. >> thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you very much.
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faced with the potential of mass atrocities and a call for help from the libyan people, the united states and our friends and allies stopped gadhafi's forces in their tracks. a coalition that included the united states, arab nations, persevered through the summer to protect libyan civilians. and meanwhile, the courageous libyan people thought for their own future and broke the back of the regime. >> president of the united states at the white house today. let's talk about what's going on with the republican senator, lindsey graham. he's been to libya several times including last month. also many years ago, met with gadhafi. so, let's talk about the president first and foremost. are you ready to say job well done, mission accomplished, thank you for your good work?
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>> i want to thank the administration for jumping on board when they did, but i think as fair criticism to say if we had imposed a no fly zone early on, we wouldn't have wait to misrata and a lot of people about to be massacred. i'm glad we intervened before it got worse. i'm disappointed we took american air power off the table at a time it could have ended the war, but i'm glad gadhafi is dead and a new day dawns and this president and this congress and this world will be judged by what happens next more than what happened in the past. >> let's talk about what libya needs. you heard the ambassador appeal to the united states. i know he did it to you when you were there with senator mccain. to send over one of these huge us navy hospital ships to help with the wounded, the injured in libya and to open up u.s. military hospitals and others in europe.
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you've raised this issue with the obama administration. is the u.s. going to do it? >> i hope so. they're sitting on, we're sitting on $34 billion of frozen libyan assets that can be used to reimburse us. the french and germans have signed agreements with the libyans to provide medical treatment. we have two naval hospitals. one could be sent to libya to provide acute care. opening up the military base in germany would solidify our relationship for decades to come. we have urged the administration to do this. >> they're going to reimburse the u.s. for all of this plus everything it costs to liberate libya from gadhafi? >> i don't know if they're going to reimburse us for everything, but they've said they would be willing to reimburse for medical
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treatment or infrastructure support we provide. this is a big deal for the world. not just libya and the united states. if we can get the libyan oil production back up and running, that's more supply for us at home come frg now a friendly nation. so, it's in our national security economic interest to help the libyan people get back on their feet and to make sure a vacuum is not created in libya like afghanistan and iraq. >> would you support the u.s., the u.n., the nato allies doing in syria, what it has just done in libya? >> you know, that's a really good question. i support the idea of isolating a side and letting the world know that his time is up. we don't have the support against syria like we did with libya. the arab league is talking about kicking him out, but when it comes to assad and ending his terror, i hope we will be as bold as in the past and if you could stop assad or take him out
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and replace him, that's a big blow to iran, but i don't think we need military action at this point. >> thanks very much for coming in. up next, some of the families. they're reacting. emotional reaction to gadhafi's death. not only being felt in libya. it's also been felt here in the united states. families of pan am 103 victims are reacting. much more of the breaking news. that's coming up right here in "the situation room." i'm not a number. i'm not a line item on a budget. and i'm definitely not a pushover. but i am a voter. so washington... before you even think about cutting my medicare and social security benefits... here's a number you should remember. 50 million.
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you can see the libyans, they're celebrating today, the death of gadhafi. pi pictures came in a little bit earlier, but those celebrations are continuing now on the
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streets of tripoli and elsewh e elsewhere. lots to celebrate from the libyan perspective. gadhafi, dead. one of the sons dead. we don't know, the other son, he's still unclear what happened to him. brian todd is working a very important part of this story. the money. some $37 billion that the united states has frozen libyan assets. what's going to happen to this money? >> right now, the u.s. treasury department has $37 billion worth of funds accessible to gadhafi and his regime frozen in the united states. they have already released about $700 million of that to libya's national transitional council with a u.n.'s approval. it's important to note the u.s. is holding this money, but does not control it. it has to release the funds back to the libyan government when they request it and a spokeswoman says they are working to do just that. but $37 billion of gadhafi's
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assets frozen in the united states. >> tracking all that money elsewhere though is a lot more difficult, isn't it? >> that's right. getting an accurate account of it is near impossible. analysts estimate the regime had as much as $150 billion around the world. from one financial statement obtained by the state owned libyan investment authority, global witness got that statement this summer. global witness says gadhafi and his family have strong connections with that government investment group. now, according to that statement, the authority had nearly $20 billion in deposits in major banks all over the world including goldman sachs, hsbc, british arab commercial bank and sahara bank. at least $64 billion and we're going to show you where. first, to italy. the libyan investment authority
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had a 2.6% stake in unicredit. a 2% stake in finmecanica. the libyan investment authority owned part of the chemical giant vasf and had a $531 stake in siemans. in the united states, multiple investments in huge firms. general electric, caterpillar, now a tall task for the new libyan government to try to control that. it will not be easy or a short process. >> on top of that, the libyans are sitting on massive oil, aren't they? >> they are.
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libya's got the tenth largest reserves in the world. before the civil war, libya was exporting 1.6 million barrels a day. one estimate we saw that after the fighting stopped, it would take three to four weeks to get production, up to 4 to 5,000 barrels a day, but libya's got that capability once they get their act together. they could be a major oil producer. >> they've got a lot of wealth and are obviously more than capable of reimbursing not only u.s. taxpayers, but nato countries as well for whatever it costs to liberate libya from gadhafi's rule. a billion, two billion, if you look at those numbers, it would be easy for the libyans to do that if they make that decision. thanks. the death of gadhafi certainly is being praised around the world, but for the families of those killed in the 1988 pan am 103 bombing, the moment is
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bittersweet. susan candiotti is following this part of the story. how are the families reacting? >> tonight, relief for families seeking justice. the most americans killed in a terror attack outside the u.s. before 9/11. like the day his brother j.p. died in 1988, today is a day brian flynn will never forget. when you heard the news, what did you think? >> i was thrilled. i didn't expect to have that reaction. i had been dreaming about this for more than 20 years, but it was always within a sense that you don't want to be the venlgful one that i want my brother's murder killed. but in a way, you do. >> his big brother was coming home for christmas after studying abroad when a bomb killed 270 people over lockerbie, scotland. >> to you and the other family, what did gadhafi represent?
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>> a murder of these innocent kids coming home for christmas. >> we showed him video of gadhafi's body for the first time. >> too bad they couldn't kill him more than once. >> on a personal front, what are your reflections on this day about your brother? >> i remember promising my brother that i wouldn't let it go unanswered, that i would do what i could to get him. i definitely believe that i've honored him and fulfilled my promise by doing what i could. >> you know, i look at his picture over your shoulder. >> where he usually was. classic big brother. today, i feel as if hopefully, he's proud. >> and brian flynn says he wants to apologize to the libyan people, saying he wishes the u.s. had done more sooner to bring down gadhafi's regime.
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>> any reaction from him to how the president of the united states has behaved over all these months? >> yes, he actually said he thinks the obama administration has shown extreme courage in doing what it has done with nato despite a difficult political and diplomatic circumstances. >> thanks very much. the only man convicted in the pan am bombing likely won't be sent back to scotland where he was serving a life sentence before being granted a so-called compassionate release back in 2009 because doctors said he only had a month or two to live. suffering from prosta cancer. today, the bam bass dor called him a very sick man indicated he may be able to help the new government in libya better understand how the actual bombing was carried out under gadhafi's reign. we had a rare visit with him a few months ago, only weeks
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vivian wall is standing by. what's going on right now based on what you've seen and heard? i know you had a chance to sit down with the new prime minister. >> i did and actually probably the outstanding prime minister here tells me he's quitting imminently. he detailed what he knows from
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the coroners and misrata and how gadhafi was killed. now, this is the official the -- of course. he was shot accidentally and then "the fighterthe fight trie him to the ambulance, a truck, and then a big gunfight and some of gadhafi's loyalists in which he was killed. so here you have a picture of the rebel fighters who were p trying to capture gadhafi alive. the feeling we get in the footage and some of the earlier reports that suggest he was killed when he was captured. >> what i don't understand he's saying gadhafi was captured alive, taken into custody, but then accidentally killed.
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i don't understand what he means by that. >> well, apparently, he was captured, wounded, they were trying to carry him to an ambulance when a fire fight broke out between some of the rebel fighters and remaining loyalists of gadhafi and it was in that fight, the cross fire, that one of the bullets hit gadhafi in the head and killed him. he cannot say from which side. so, it's a very confusing picture and i think probably we will get a few more accurate details in the next 24 hours or so. some other interesting details that came out of my conversation is that they did not want gadhafi's body to be brought back to the capital. he thought the atmosphere was way too tense, people were way too much on edge for his body to be brought back here and that it
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was decided hurry that he would be buried in misrata. clearly, this was something that happened very suddenly. we're getting a whole lot of information, a lot of it contradictory and it's coming out somewhat sporadically from different sources and it will take a little while for it to be pieced together. >> could take a long time. one final question. did he say that the body would be burr rried in a secret location or public location where people could visit that grave site? >> well, he just countered the idea that anybody would want to visit gadhafi's grave site and but he did say that negotiations were ongoing and i just spoke to somebody in misrata from the ntc a few minutes ago and it appears
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there are still ongoing negotiations with the religious leader there is about where and how to bury gadhafi's body, but it does seem fairly certain it will be buried in misrata, where and at what time, it seems they still don't know that. >> vivian walt from "time" magazine, thanks very much. gadhafi certainly was called a lot of names during his four decades in power. stand by. you're going to hear one famous presidential slam and we'll also get reaction to gadhafi's death from the current vice president, joe biden. sta stand by. [ tires screech ] [ crying ] [ applause ] [ laughs ] [ tires screech ] [ male announcer ] your life will have to flash by even faster. autodrive brakes on the cadillac srx activate after rain is detected to help improve braking performance.
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let's get analysis on what's going on. he's a senior fellow at the hoover institution. this notion of burying him in
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misrata, maybe in a secret location. in accordance with islamic traditions. what do you think about that? >> wolf, i think they'll do it right. they'll do it the proper way. for their own dignity and customs and tradition. i like the fact by the way, wolf, that you brought the families of pan am 103 because they, too, have a claim on this murder and they, too, are due justice. sometimes, people caught up in the small dlim mas put you to shame. the man who said, the brother of one of the victims said it's too bad gadhafi could only be killed once and indeed, it is too bad. >> what should happen to the gadhafi loyalists? there are thousands of them presumably all over the country. not just in his hometown of sirte. >> well, i think i like a term, i know it's controversial term, i love it, personally. we call them dead enders. about some of the remnants of
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the party. these are dead enders. i think the gadhafi era is over. the four decades of tyranny is over. of mercenaries is now over and i don't think gadhafi really had these loyal people. for example in syria, maybe should say a world or two. it's not like bashar having a -- this is the man who had the word and treasure of the state who terrified people, who paid off the people who supported him. i don't think there will be much of a kind of after the regime, if you will. >> we have some pictures from gadhafi's personal family photo album. i want to show you some of these pictures and as we do, tell us from the perspective of history, how moe men tus today is. >> well, look, i think, it's just a great moment in the life of the libyan people. they have endured one of the worst strains in human history.
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they've endured someone who lived by his own code. four decades of hol wealloween, you will. he had female bodyguards. he went to italy and brought, had people secure for him, bring him 500 escort girls to supposed to convert to islam. when you go back and look at this reign of abuse of four decades, we wonder how it went so long and so far. >> you mentioned al assad, the leader of syria. i assume he's watching what's happening in libya on this day. what do you think he's drawing from this experience? >> there was a syrian cartoonist who got in trouble because he drew a cartoon of gadhafi driving a jeep and assad hitching a ride and getting a ride with gadhafi.
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today, there was a man who posted a simple message who said, basically said, congratulations to the people of libya. may the same thing happen here for the people of syria. >> i'm sure they're watching it very, very closely. thanks very, very much. >> thank you, as always, wolf. >> the great middle east profess professor. stand by to hear what vice president joe biden is saying. he's given an interview to our own candy crowley. [ male announcer ] it's true...
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take a look at this hour's hot shots. gadhafi's hometown of sirte, a national transitional fighter waves a flag celebration of the deposed leader's capture. in tunisia, next door, libyans and tunisians celebrate after the announcement of gadhafi's death. london, a man hangs a libyan flag outside his car near the libyan embassy. in tripoli, anti-gadhafi forces hug in celebration. hot shots, pictures coming in from libya and around the world. the vice president, joe biden, gave an exclusive interview to our own candy crowley and spoke among other things about the killing of moammar gadhafi.
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candy's joining us live from concord, new hampshire. what did he have to say, candy? >> reporter: you know, wolf, vice president biden was senator biden prior to this, a big name, foreign relations committee, he had met a lot of leaders, one moammar gadhafi, a guy he says the u.s. and libya is glad to see gone from the scene. >> it's one bad guy. one really tough guy. he, for 40 years, and his folks hundred hiz under his thumb and these dead and give people the first chance in four decades to have a little bit of freedom, opportunity. >> you mentioned in a previous stop about the template of bringing in international -- an international coalition and how this works beautifully. >> the template in the following sense that, when in fact there is a cause that the arab world
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can unite on and the west wants their help, we don't have -- we don't have to do it ourselves is the point. it is that the nato alliance worked like it was designed to do, burden sharing. total cost to us is $2 billion, no american lives lost, we carry the burden a lot of other places where nato is, the primary burden, like afghanistan. this was real burden sharing. that's the model. >> reporter: wolf, one of the things the vice president said this administration obviously is very concerned about, and he said we are watching it very, very closely, is the rounding up of all 0 the shoulder-to-air missiles. there are hundreds of them, many unaccounted for. just one of them could bring down an airliner if you -- if there's one terrorist on the black market with somebody in libya who got a hold of one of these things, he could get some cash and do big damage with it. the vice president said it is something the administration's
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concerned about and is watching very, very carefully. >> did he mention any countries, when you asked him about where the libyan experience could be replicated? >> reporter: well, i asked him specifically about syria, saying you couldn't get the arab league and other countries in that region to agree to do the same kind of nato flyover sort of thing that happened, and he kind of brushed it off and said but it's a template. you heard me say it's a narrow one it seems to me. it's something politically, wolf, that you will be hearing about this in subtle ways. you know the administration has kind of wanted to be hands-off on the libyan thing saying we've taken a backseat, nato's take ain't front seat, we're not committing troops to the ground nor were other nato force but was they do see this as a way to push back against the complaint of president obama, that he hasn't shown leadership because they think in foreign policy
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they have a story to sell. you and i know so far the economy's the story everyone's paying attention to. nonetheless in the leadership angle this is a place they want to dougo. you will be hearing more of the source of things vice president biden say, we put together a coalition, look at the result here. >> candy's interview with the vice president sunday morning on "state of the union" 9:00 a.m. eastern on cnn. thanks very much. a day that captured the world's attention. jeanne moos is next. i'm not a number. i'm not a line item on a budget.
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>> beyond a shadow of a doubt, moammar gadhafi -- >> reporter: finally, gadhafi was resurrected with video of him, once again, still alive. just barely. >> you see them pushing him and shoving him before they appear to finish him off. >> reporter: less than three hours after the first sketchy reports of gadhafi's capture -- >> gadhafi is dead. >> moammar gadhafi is dead. >> reporter: or as abc's christian amanpour called him. >> the global vilen. >> reporter: talk shows audiences seemed conflicted, the death of a bad guy something to clap about. >> gadhafi died of wounds suffered thursday. >> my gosh. >> after an eight-month uprising. you heard the applause. >> moammar gadhafi has been killed. they say -- >> are we supposed to be sad? >> are you sad? >> no. >> i won miss him. >> what goes around comes around. >> wow! >> reporter: that guy sounded just like secretary of state
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hillary clinton when she was handed a blackberry with the news while doing interviews in afghanistan. >> wow! >> reporter: as soon as gadhafi had been perm nately silenced out came the memorable interview moments. >> we read that you are mad. >> he was the strangest head of state i've ever met. >> more on that in just a moment. >> what do you figure gets first crack at the costumes? >> reporter: on a day of an eccentric dictator's death it figured someone would dig up an odd old clip, one-seasoned sitcom called "second chance" in 1987 set in the future, 2011. gadhafi had just arrived at st. peters gate. >> you are sentenced to spend eternity wired as a human bomb. every two minutes you will blow up. >> holy -- >> too late for that now. >> reporter: of all of the oddball video moments gadhafi left us, one of the oddest was gadhafi preparing for a speech