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rate down to 5% or 4% for another five years probably. >> ten seconds. best investment advice? >> you got to invest. you can't have your money sitting around in a bank account that gets 0.2%. the book will walk you through that too. make investments. >> all right. ali's book. go and get a copy. have a great night. monday, former minnesota governor jesse ventura. good evening. we begin tonight keeping them honest with this. >> mr. cain knows the specific incidents that were alleged. my client filed a written complaint in 1999 against him specifically and it had very specific incidents in it and if he chooses to not remember or not acknowledge those, that's his issue. >> that is joel bennett lawyer for one of two female employees who filed harassment claims
against herman cain back when he ran the national restaurant association. the association paid to settle her claim, signed a confidentiality agreement with her. today mr. bennett said the association had agreed to waive confidentiality but that his client would not be coming forward, would not be saying anything beyond the brief statement she cowrote with him. here is a portion. >> she made a complaint in good faith about a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances from the ceo. those complaints are resolved in an agreement with her acceptance of a monetary settlement. she and her husband see no value in revisiting this matter now nor in discussing the matter any further publicly or privately. in fact, it would be extremely painful to do so. >> the statement concludes, quote, my client stands by the complaint she made. as you heard, the complaint, which bennett says was filed in july of 1999 and settled that september alleges a series of inappropriate blafrs and unwanted advances. herman cain says he can only
recall one incident with one woman and we don't know which woman he is talking about. >> she was in the office one day and i made a gesture saying oh, and i was standing close to her and i made a gesture, you are the same height as my wife. and brought my hand, didn't touch her. up to my chin and said, you're the same height as my wife because my wife comes up to my chin. >> that's a far cry from what joel bennett described today as behavior that in his opinion is harassment. it never made it to court and according to the restaurant association today the settlement contained no admission of liability. mr. cain maintains he never harassed anyone. he has been consistent on that from the beginning. as to the details not so much. first he wasn't aware of a settlement. a day later he was. it looked like it took him a day to jog his memory. the evolution took place 11 days after politico warned his campaign it was doing a story on
the harassment claims. he had ten and a half days to rack his brain before the vague and hazy memory came back to him. >> i can't recall any comment that she made positive or negative. i don't recall by whom the charges were found baseless. i don't recall whether she left the restaurant association before making the accusation. i don't recall, greta. i really don't. i don't remember the number. can't recall. i don't remember her name at all. if i had a private conversation with her, i don't recall having a private conversation with her. all of the conversations that i had, it could have been, but i don't recollect. >> just to remind you joel bennett described a series of inappropriate behaviors and unwanted advances and made it crystal clear he thinks herman cain has a credibility problem. >> there is an expression where there's smoke there's fire. the fact that there are multiple complaints tells me that it's more likely than not that there
was some sexual harassment activity by this man at that time. >> again, herman claimed though he has offered a variety of answers about what happened and what he remembers about what happened he's always categorically denied harassing anyone. it is worth pointing out there are still no details from anyone, any accusers about what specifically they say he did. his campaign today issued a single sentence reaction to mr. bennett. we look forward to focusing our attention on the real issues like fixing the broken economy and putting americans back to work through the 9-9-9 plan as well as strengthening national security. clearly they want to move on. joining us now chief political analyst gloria borger and jeffrey tubin. you said previously you thought herman cain's accuser would speak out or the details would come out. >> i think i was wrong. that's -- i just think this is over. i think at least as far as this woman is concerned understandably she doesn't want to get involved in a circus or make herself a target which she would be if she got specific.
but in fairness to herman cain if that's all she is going to say through her lawyer, i don't think he's obligated to respond. there are no specifics. there's no name. i just think that is not a concrete enough accusation to force him to continue this story any further. >> gloria, do you agree this is done? >> yeah. well, it depends if more comes out. i think at this particular point jeffrey is right that this statement today was so nonspecific it doesn't even warrant a response from herman cain. we don't know the result of the internal investigation at the restaurant association. their statement doesn't talk about it. herman cain has said that they found internally that there was no basis for these charges. but we don't know that. so unless, and this is a big if, there's lots of people now who may know who these women are and all that kind of stuff and more could come out so if you have
specific allegations from specific women ready to go on the record then i think the story resurfaces. but for now i think it dies down. >> so has this been unfair to herman cain? >> i don't think so. i think the original politico story was entirely factual. it said that they did -- that the national restaurant association did pay two settlements that were based on claims of harassment. they also made the point these could have been points for nuisance value just getting rid of the cases. if you are running for president of the united states and a former employment of yours has paid judgments following claims of harassment that's news and politico was right to report it and i think we were right to follow up on it. but i think the current state of the story is so ambiguous that i don't think it is going to have much political fallout. according to polls it hasn't. >> gloria, have folks on the
republican side been concerned about the way herman cain handled this? i mean surprised at kind of the various stories that were told or the time it took? >> sure. particularly people in rick perry's campaign who were accused by herman cain of leaking the story. and, you know, at first he tried that and that was kind of diversionary. it didn't work so well. now blaming the media, which is of course really popular within the republican party. it's helped him raise money. i mean, since the story broke he's raised $1.6 million. in the whole last quarter he raised $2.8 million. so it's helped him but i think if you look at the way herman cane has behaved in this, i think there are lots of republicans scratching their heads. but by the way, he's done that on the issue front as well on abortion, you know, he said he's had a problem for example with what is his position on abortion and that's going to cause him more trouble in iowa right now than these sexual harassment claims. >> early on he sort of was
making a difference between a settlement and an agreement that he said he didn't think there had been an agreement or settlement. legally, there's no difference between a settlement and agreement. >> no. i think what he was saying is settlement to him meant a lawsuit that had been filed and then was settled. agreement can happen before there is even a lawsuit. this was an agreement, settlement, whatever you want to call it. it's just semantics. in advance of any lawsuit being filed. i mean, his initial behavior was ridiculous, not remembering something so significant. i find it hard to believe he doesn't remember more to this day. but especially given ten days advance notice, you know, if you're running for president you should have some better answer than i don't remember this and if you remember he confronted the politico reporter and said were you ever sued for sexual harassment? >> some in the campaign talked about possibly suing politico for this story. is there any basis there? >> i think that's absurd. politico's story was entirely
factual. these settlements did take place. they did follow sexual harassment claims. i think you know as we've been discussing there is good -- it's a good thing in the republican primary to attack the press. and that's what cain has done. they put out a video where he sort of compared himself to clarence thomas, unjustly accused by liberals. same thing with the threat to politico. but there's no grounds for a lawsuit here. >> anderson, it occurs to me that if herman cain were the likely republican nominee and i don't think he is the likely republican nominee, if he were at some point and was getting very close to being nominated i wouldn't be surprised if this story resurfaced and women did come out on the record if they felt that strongly about herman cain. but i think, you know, right now while he's doing well in the polls, we all remember when rudolph guiliani was the front runner in the republican primary in 2008. so, you know, again, these things are moving, are moving
targets. right now as you see here, you know, cain's second to mitt romney but mitt romney just sits back and watches this occur and remains the sort of most plausible candidate out there according to lots of sort of establishment republicans. >> it's been a good week for mitt romney. he hasn't been in the news. >> very good. >> jeff toobin thank you, gloria borger as well. hard to know what to think of this. herman cain's wife gloria was to sit down tonight for a rare interview on fox news. that is not happening. even at the best of times gloria cain keeps a very low profile. >> on his facebook page republican front runner herman cain says when he first met his wife gloria, quote, she was the most beautiful woman i have ever seen. after 43 years of marriage, he says, he still feels the same way. his facebook page shows the couple on a recent trip to israel looking all the world like typical tourists. that's them at the site of the sermon on the mount, at the sea
of galilee, at the western wall. those who know herman and gloria say they are a devoted couple. as her husband has rocketed to the top of the list of republican presidential hopefuls, gloria cain has rarely been seen on the campaign trail. that may be about to change. >> don't even bother. >> reporter: facing a storm of questioning over allegations of inappropriate behavior toward at least two female employees in the '90s, cain told fox news gloria cain is currently planning an exclusive interview and he hinted to hln's robin meade his wife is ready to speak out against her husband's critics. >> the hardest part on my wife, quite frankly, is all of the innuendos from all of the news reports that haven't been presenting the facts. >> reporter: cain has often said he wanted to keep his family out of the political spotlight but there may be more to it than just privacy. his wife has had medical concerns in the past. according to his book, this is herman cain, my journey to the
white house, gloria cain had a pace maker implanted in 2005 to help with a serious heart fibrilation. gloria continues to be a steady source of devotion and inspiration, never more so than now. the candidate wrote. >> this is my family. >> according to cain the couple met by chance in atlanta in the mid '60s. he was attending moorehouse college. she was at nearby morris brown. it took a year before herman asked gloria out. it was magic from that moment on, he says in his book. and so i didn't go out with anyone else. neither did gloria. and we dated and dated and dated. and they married in june of 1968. those who know gloria cain says she is a devoted christian, active in the church and the choir. while her husband was climbing corporate ladders she stayed home to raise their two children, sometimes working as a teacher and librarian. >> thank you. >> reporter: cain dedicates the chapter to his wife in the book with a quote from the bible proverbs 31:10.
who can find a virtuous woman? for her worth is far above rubies. if gloria cain does step into the spotlight and stand by her man, those words may prove prophetic. >> thank you. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn. new fears about the country that sponsored osama bin laden, sponsored terror groups and is supposed to be our ally. we'll talk to the author of a chilling report. also this. >> the bruises were the worst i've ever had. i'd had other lashings like that but this one produced the most bruising and the next day it was all up and down my legs and he'd also hit my arms when he couldn't get to my legs. >> she was beaten for seven and a half minutes by her father who is a texas family court judge when she was a teenager. ahead on the program what are
the lasting effects of beatings like that as well as lesser forms of corporal punishment the kind many would never consider child abuse. anderson, it is going to be a tense weekend for dr. conrad murray, a tense weekend for michael jackson's family. they're waiting for answers, waiting for the jury. we'll have the latest on that and much more when 360 continues. [ crying ] [ applause ] [ laughs ] [ tires screech ] [ male announcer ] your life will have to flash by even faster. autodrive brakes on the cadillac srx activate after rain is detected to help improve braking performance. we don't just make luxury cars. we make cadillacs.
the atlantic headline says it best. it reads the ally from hell. those four words top a terrifying piece of reporting. pakistan is a nuclear armed ally, an ally whose officials loudly denied osama bin laden was in their country even though he was hiding near a major pakistani military out post. an ally that gets offended when american experts raise serious concerns about a nuclear security. one pakistani official saying, quote, of all the things in the world to worry about the issue you should worry about the least is the safety of our nuclear program. the authors find many reasons to wonder whether one day a warhead or nuclear material could fall into the wrong hands. weapon components they report are sometimes moved around the country in vans like these with little or no security
surrounding them. they cite an american intelligence source that says the pakistanis aren't just toting around parts but at times fully assembled war heads. first my conversation with the atlantic's jeffrey goldberg. in terms of its nuclear arsenal, how much confidence should the u.s. have that pakistan, that the arsenal is secure? >> the u.s. should have confidence that the people around the nuclear arsenal are among the best pakistan has to offer. they have a very professional service guarding the nukes. the problem is twofold. one, pakistan itself is not a stable place. and what the deep american worry is, is that the state, itself, will disintegrate. a second worry is that we have seen repeatedly that the pakistani military, pakistani intelligence services, are penetrated by people who are sympathetic or outright members of organizations like the taliban and so when you're for
instance moving nuclear weapons from one place to another which is how the pakistanis hide them from among others the americans, when you're moving those, if you have someone inside who is going to tell you, you know, at so and so hour and so and so road there is a truck with fissile material that can be used for say a dirty bomb you have a real problem. that's what people worry about. >> you've learned information about how they are moving their nuclear arsenal. >> like any country with a nuclear arsenal they have multiple ways they can move these devices and components of these devices from place to place. the pakistanis have chosen when they're moving. not to go with a high profile, heavily armored sort of convoy presence on the roads. what they do is they use subterfuge or camouflage. they will put a war head or fissile material or sometimes they will put complete tactical nuclear warheads when they're
moving together which is very significant and dangerous. they will put them in the equivalent of delivery vans and drive them on certain routes from base to base. >> they're putting a tactical nuclear war head in essentially a delivery van? >> there is no other way to say it, yeah. >> particularly in a country where there have been attacks in allegedly secure cities. there have been assassination attempts that clearly seem to indicate some level of inside knowledge. >> right after the abada bad raid that killed osama bin laden there was a raid on a pakistani naval base outside karachi that the taliban figures who got into this base held it for about 18 hours. i mean, that means they raided it and successfully held off security for 18 hours. they are very professional. when i spoke to people in pakistan about this there was an assumption that these guys in this naval base operation had inside help. how else would they have known how to secure a very complicated, very large naval base? >> you also report that the u.s. has very specific contingency
plans about what to do in the event they do lose control of a device or devices and it involves a heavy military presence on the ground. >> right. this is one of the areas that is most contentious between pakistan and the u.s. pakistanis believe that the u.s. wants to seize the nukes preemptively. the u.s. would of course like pakistan to be nuclear free but it has no plans of going in there and just taking the nukes. but the u.s. is worried about disintegration of the state, about taliban being able to go steal a nuke or steal some nuclear material. and so there are a lot of plans on the shelves. different components of the u.s. military have different plans to go in if necessary and go secure these nukes and it's obviously -- it's one of the most sensitive things that the u.s. military might be called upon to do. >> do they know how many nukes there are? >> that's one of the problems. one of the problems is the u.s. only has an approximate guess.
it is believed pakistan has somewhere between a hundred and 120 different nuclear devices. now of course when the nuclear devices are kept separate, it becomes even more complicated. another thing, it is believed by nuclear nonproliferation experts and u.s. intelligence pakistanis are trying to grow their nuclear arsenal and build more nukes. >> a fascinating article. thank you. >> thank you. more on the implications now. here is myzakaria, editor at la for "time" magazine and fran townsend. the idea of lightly armed trucks driving around with nuclear weapons inside in pakistan is pretty terrifying. >> it is, anderson though when i was in the white house i traveled to governments around the world who took the position that they were better off in these small convoys that were lightly protected. now, what you hope they have are perimeter security. that is people off the van who are traveling with it, watching it, and securing it from a
distance. and you also hope that they're not what they call mated weapons, not completely put together ready-to-go weapons. that you're moving them at least in pieces or just the fissile material without the warhead. >> how possible is it that a nuclear weapon or nuclear device in pakistan could fall into the wrong hands? >> oh, look. we've seen attacks on convoys against our troops and coalition forces in afghanistan. they're perfectly capable and an organization that is able to attack the naval base in karachi and hold it for 15 to 18 hours until the pakistani military gets control of it is certainly capable of taking control of an unarmed van. so it's a real concern. >> you've said i think in the past that it seems like the pakistanis are more worried about the u.s. going after its nuclear devices than extremists. >> that is the most worrying phenomenon which is the pakistani military seems to be moving these weapons around in unsecure ways because they don't want the americans to get them
or see them. that is why they're not using large con voice because the large convoys can be watched by our satellites. we have to remember we are paying one-third of pakistan's military budget. so it's worrying that this is not viewed as a real partnership. >> the u.s. is giving one-third of their military budget and yet they are directly or indirectly sponsoring groups which are attacking u.s. forces? >> that's right. so, anderson, it raises two questions for me. one, and it's never happened, why is it that the administration hasn't considered naming pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism. see the $2 billion in military aid every year. we need them as an ally. the honest answer is if you believe admiral mullen the former chairman of the joint chiefs who said there is proof of the support both financial and material support to terrorist groups, then they ought to be considered as a state sponsor of terror. the other issue is let's remember when we give them this military aid i think we often think of that as we give that in an effort to buy cooperation.
what we really spend that money for is to buy the notion of a stable pakistan that is not ruled by islamic radicals who then have control of weapons. what you're looking to really do is buy security and you hope what you get is cooperation. >> it's basically a protection racket. what you're buying -- >> protection racket? >> what they're saipg ying is iu think we're bad when you give us money watch what happens when you don't give us money. we saw that in the '90s when we pulled away. they got closer to the jihadis and we lost influence. i'm cautious in criticizing the bush or obama administration because this is a very tough problem. you're damned if do you, damned if you don't. >> we'll leave it there. fran townsend, thanks very much. a programming note. jeffrey goldberg is a guest sunday at 1:00 p.m. on sunday and 10:00 a.m. ahead on 360 president obama was a big supporter of solyndra the
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crime and punishment tonight jurors in the michael jackson trial have gone home today without reaching a verdict. it is nail biting time. earlier today la toya jackson tweeted i am so shaky right now waiting for a verdict every little noise has me jumping out of my skin. the report today that catherine jackson had been asked to return to the courthouse caused speculation that a verdict might be near. outside the courthouse michael jackson fans held vigil as they have throughout the trial. supporters of dr. conrad murray did the same. tensions were especially high. for dr. murray this has been an excruciating time as jurors deliberate his fate. a lot of people were expecting a verdict today, randi. i think you said that the other day that you were expecting a
quick verdict. who does a longer deliberation benefit? >> i was surprised, anderson. we didn't get a verdict today. the lawyers i've spoken with s that the longer this goes on, it will appear to benefit actually the defense but there really is no hard and fast rule. if you think back to 1995 you have the o.j. simpson trial here, the murder trial, that was a nine-month trial and he was acquitted in less than four hours so high profile cases tend to take a little longer but the jury actually was pretty quiet today. they didn't ask any questions. they did ask for some highlighters actually. maybe they were marking up some of the evidence. we did at one point think that maybe we might have a verdict because the way it works is the jury in the deliberation room will buzz the courtroom if they have something to say or if they need something. one buzz means they're deliberating. two buzzes mean that they have a question or they need a break and three buzzes, anderson, means this is it. we have the verdict. we didn't get the three buzzes but did get a few. i should mention the jury is not
sequestered and won't be deliberating this weekend and will be back at it again monday morning. >> have the jurors given much indication of what they've been particularly paying attention to or do we know much about the jurors? >> well, they did take a lot of notes. this was a pretty thorough group. they're also pretty smart. many of them are fans of michael jackson. all of this could weigh into the verdict. it's a diverse group. quite a few of them are hispanic. one is african-american. there are seven men, five women on the jury. many are actually top managers in their jobs. there's a biomedical expert. there is a paralegal for more than 30 years. there's an emt on the jury. so it's a very interesting group but i will say one thing, anderson, that i think will really play into the verdict is the fact that five of these jurors have been touched by addiction. in fact, some of them have lost family members to addiction. as you know, addiction was a big part of the defense's case. they're trying to paint michael jackson as an addict trying to say he gave himself that fatal dose of propofol.
of course not knowing that it would stop his heart and kill him. that may very well play a big part in this verdict. >> randi, appreciate it in los angeles. thanks for following a number of stories. isha? >> victory tonight for the prime minister of greece. a short time ago he won a vote of confidence in parliament. he urged lawmakers to keep him in power because if he was voted out of office he said it would jeopardize the bailout deal for his country. the white house said today it will not obey a subpoena from a house panel to hand over internal documents relating to solyndra. the administration approved more than $500 million in loan guarantees to the maker of solar panels which has since gone out of business. it's unlikely the loans will be repaid. jon corzine has resigned as ceo of mf global a commodities trading firm that's mired in a growing scandal. mf global filed for bankruptcy protection this week. it cannot account for more than
$600 million. corzine has hired a criminal defense attorney. anderson, take a good look at, yes, that tooth. >> really? >> yeah. it will be auctioned tomorrow in my native country, england. it has an estimated value of nearly $16,000. that's because it was one of john lennon's teeth. he gave it to his housekeeper who gave it to her daughter as a souvenir and the daughter is now selling it. >> wow. >> isn't that just creepy and weird and nasty? >> i'm wondering what the back story is, why give it to the housekeeper? >> well, some digging that i did, they were in the kitchen one day. he had the tooth taken out at the dentist according to an article i read and he said hey have a tooth. i know your daughter is a fan of the beatles. she can have it as a souvenir. i would have asked for a record or something. >> interesting. >> gross. way more information than you needed. >> probably so. yeah. i have not actually seen the shot today but i'm told it is
downright mean. late night comedian jimmy kimball issued a challenge to his viewers. hide your kids' halloween candy, tell them you ate it all, and videotape the reaction. the response? >> i ate it all. >> no! >> yours too, allen. >> me and mommy ate it last night when you were asleep. >> i ate all your halloween candy last night. >> their little world is turned completely upside down. >> this is traumatic stuff. >> there's a video where two brothers were ticked off. they didn't cry. >> i ate all your candy. no more halloween candy left. >> what?
>> what the heck? >> don't you guys think you ate enough candy last night? >> no. i only had like one bite of candy. are you serious? probably going to get a bellyache. that's why you shouldn't eat so much candy. mom, that's two. >> two what? >> i like that kid. i like how he didn't even like take his hands down like he's watching tv, just like attacking his mom. >> like what? i can tell you that i have the candy from our office. i have hidden our candy. that's how seriously i take this. >> i took a look at that candy. that's not like the premium candy. all the premium candy is already gone in our office. >> whatever, whatever. it's mine. back off. >> enjoy your weekend with your candy. >> i will. >> we'll check back with you a
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tonight on 360, parents who take discipline too far. the latest video that went viral this week on youtube, very disturbing. we warn you it's hard to watch. we're just going to show you a short bit. >> stand over that bed. >> dad. >> bend over the bend. >> well. >> bend over the bed. >> stop. stop. stop. >> bend over the bed. >> the man in the video is texas county judge william adams. girl he was whipping with his belt is his daughter hillary, 16 at the time and made the video in secret. this week judge adams temporarily stepped down from his job. he presides over child abuse cases and other matters of family law. he has not admitted doing anything wrong other than losing his temper. hillary adams is 23 and came on the program last night describing her injuries from that beating seven years ago. did you have bruises after that? >> oh, yes. the bruises were the worst i had
ever had. i had had other lashings like that but this one produced the most bruising. and the next day it was all up and down my legs and he had also hit my arms when he couldn't get to my legs. >> you were saying it's not as bad as it looked in the tape. >> i think he is in serious denial because i told him it hurt to walk the next day and his response was one word. he said, good. >> just days before hillary posted her video we told you about 13-year-old hannah williams who died from hypothermia after being left outside in her yard. she was under weight, covered with bruises. her parents are awaiting trial. their charge is homicide by abuse. police found a copy of a controversial parenting book in their home "to train up a child" a how to guide to disciplining kids as young as infants. it is written for fundamental christians and instructs them to spank their kids with objects like plastic plumbing supply line and belts. the authors deny their book had anything to do with hannah williams' death. they told gary tuchman they
don't advocate abusing kids but endorse spanking, the word they use, and they're not talking about a quick swat on the bottom. gary asked how they would punish a 7-year-old boy who slugs his sister. >> i would take him somewhere like into his bedroom and i would tell him i'm going to give him 15 licks. >> with what? >> probably a belt, a kid that big, a boy. i'd probably use a belt. it would be handy. i might use a wooden spoon or a piece of like plumbing supply line quarter inch in diameter, flexible enough to roll up. >> last week michael pearl agreed to come on the program to talk about the death of hannah williams and told us he can't be responsible for parents who misinterpret his book's teachings which he says are based on the bible. he also said science is on his side. >> research has been shown that spanking creates children that are more, higher educationally, they're less aggressive, that they are more entrepreneurial,
that they in every way make better citizens when young children are spanked. that's just the statistics. just the facts. >> well, we checked the facts. it turns out pearl was referring to research cited in an article by author pro bronson. i asked for their takes on pearl's claim. what do you think of the biblical chastisement method of child rearing? >> i think it's dangerous. i think it's problematic obviously it flies in the face of everything we know about child and brain development. we know for sure that when children feel terrorized by people who are their important care takers, a, they lose the ability to trust and, b, it shatters the upper limits of their brain's emotional regulatory system so they lose the capacity for emotional regulation and they exit the frame that is to say the interpersonal frame because they can't trust closeness anymore that it would allow for them to repair that problem of disregulation.
it is the inciting influence that causes or ignites addiction in i would say approaching 100% of the cases that i see. i always tell patients if you have serious enough addiction to need to see me, there is virtually a hundred percent probability of some sort of abandonment, abuse, terror in childhood, physical abuse being the most common. >> when michael pearl was thon show he cited some scientific findings in support of what he calls spankings. his assistant told us that he read about them in an article that you wrote for "newsweek" magazine. i want to say what michael pearl said on the show. take a look. >> research has been shown that spanking creates children that are more, higher educationally, they're less aggressive. they are more entrepreneurial. they in every way make better citizens when young children are spanked. that's just the statistics, just the facts. >> so is that what you wrote in your article? >> well, he's misusing some
words but the study from port rates of american life 20 years of demographic data coming in, it was found that children who have been spanked occasionally, not abused by any means, weren't necessarily turning out terrible. they weren't turning out worse than kids who had never been spanked. but in no possible way, anderson, can that be flipped around. marjorie genot and every other social scientist and scientist who studies corporal punishment in children advocates other alternatives than spanking. that parents have choices and they should be doing something else. what they must be paying attention to is consistency and not losing your cool as dr. drew said. it's the losing your cool. it's losing your temper. and rejecting your child. making them feel they are not a member of our society because of what they have done that really causes psychological trouble for
them. >> where do you draw the line between, i mean, is there appropriate corporal punishment ever and child abuse? >> michael pearl makes the parallel between raising an infant, raising a young child, and raising a pet. and listen. nowhere in there do i know pet owners who say you should be hitting your pet with plumbing pipe, denying your pet food, punishing your pet by leaving him out overnight, and these things don't fly, anderson, at all. >> so bottom line there is no place for any kind of hitting. >> the science is not as clear on this as people want to be clear, as people want it to be. when you're hitting with an object, when you're losing your cool when spanking your child, you know, a lot of parents even want to -- they show what is called sham anger. they're actually not truly
furious but they show fury to their kids because they want their kid to know just how wrong it was what their kid did. and even the sham anger is the wrong approach to take. continue to reason with your child. set right from wrong. explain your reasons. and be patient. they will develop very well. >> dr. drew, it's interesting. one thing pearl recommends is having a length of rubber tubing, plumbing supply line is what he is talking about, and that you have it in various, multiple pieces of it in various rooms and in your car and not just, you know, as a threat to your child but as something you can handily get. to me, that speaks to somebody wanting to in the fit of anger grab this thing and use it on the kid in the car or elsewhere. >> yeah, it's unbelievable. it's like whipping an animal. it's something that as we just mentioned you would never do. you wouldn't be surprised if a dog that you constantly whip with rubber hosing suddenly began growling, became angry and
bit. you would expect that. in the state of california, i know it's different in some states but the state of california that parent will go to jail flat out. and there is a reason. not because we have some sort of intrinsic bias against people that strike. it's because it's harmful to kids categorically and that's just simply the way it is. we see it and it is not defensible. therefore we are going to protect the children against this unconscionable, inappropriate, and profoundly damaging approach. >> dr. drew, po bronson, thanks for joining us. up next evidence syria's government has broken its promise to stop its violent crackdown plus new details about the exotic animal escape in ohio and reports that lions and bears charged deputies and crashed through fences before they were shot and killed. an amazing animal rescue in south africa.
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time for the ridiculist tonight adding a guy called car pool guy. kron 4 in san francisco has a series called people behaving badly. their reporter stanley roberts was out with a police officer pulling over people who were using the car pool lane while driving solo, which is, you know, clearly not allowed. that's when they came across car pool guy and he was not too happy to see the camera. >> in my car i can break it. put it in my car. >> it's not in your car. >> exactly. >> i'm not going to do that. >> like i said. so since you're so smart, put it in my car. >> no. it will get broke. >> put it in my car. i get the ticket. put it in my car.
>> thank you. >> thank you. bad ass ouch car pool guy. heading right into the gutter. did you happen to notice what car pool guy was wearing? i think i speak for all of us when i say nothing underscores the seriousness with which you should consider the complaints of an irate driver quite like an elmo t-shirt. i don't know why car pool guy got so nasty. maybe the elmo t-shirt was itchy or he was running late to pick up his cookie monster shirt from the dry cleaners. whatever the reason, things only got worse. >> this is for kron 4 news? stanley e. roberts? >> this is for people behaving badly on channel 4. >> what about people over eating on channel 4, bad ass, how about that? >> oh, zing. no wonder car pool guy was illegally in the car pool lane. he was late to a shift at the chuckle hut. >> have a good day. >> you, too. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> see, it's not really a 1-800 but an insult. that car pool guy. he seems a little hung up on the
weight thing. if only he had more comebacks which i'm sure not at all reflections of his own insecurities. >> by the way the ticket is $500. >> man, i can pay it. what you drive? i bet you don't drive nothing nice. >> duh. obviously. if television reporters had real money they'd all be strutting around in those fancy elmo t-shirts. what? oh, this just in. i'm being told in my ear car pool guy has now combined his money complex with his weight complex. >> i bet you it's a ford if you got one fat ass. with your fat, lazy ass. get a real job. >> all right. i think you'd agree we put up with a lot from you so far but you are about one outburst away from losing your elmo t-shirt endorsement deal. >> why don't they have you down there filming what's going on in oakland, all the riots and [ bleep ]? they got your fat, lazy, nonrelevant, nonfactor ass out here filming highway patrol. that tells you how much you're wo