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every kiss does not begin with k. i bet that where's the beef lady, i bet she knew where the beef was all along. who cares if she was there or not. that's it for us. thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now. in egypt voters go to the polls today, and an american college kid who was jailed in cairo goes home. he's out front tonight. a woman claims she had a 13-year affair with herman cain. is this the end of cain's candidacy? and the latest on the economy p.m. something nice to say tonight. let's go "outfront." i'm erin burnett "outfront" tonight. ratings agency fitch says they're going to downgrade america's outlook from stable. stocks soared on wall street. because the markets closed
before that action happened. the dow was up by nearly 300 points. the reason was a wow weekend for the american economy. retail sales surged. that's a fair word. they were up 16%. accord together national retail federation. it was the best kickoff to the holiday shopping season ever. topping off, today the federal reserve said household debt in this country fell $60 billion. the outfront strike team called this optimism, 85% of them said they were not going to go into recession. when the pundits were sure of just that. they ended up being right. can this optimism really last? peter, what's your take of this market rally? will it last? especially because after the markets closed, we got the hit from fitch, the ratings agency,
which was expected but is another reminder of the failure in washington. >> it is about the failure in washington. but the real story and the real reason why this fuse was lit this morning is for the very reasons you started off with, by talking about the strength of the american consumer. markets closed up 3% on the day. really taking back much of the weakness we've seen the last three or four weeks. we closed at the high of the day, they didn't sell off midday, they closed at the high of the day. the news on fitch was not good, but it was largely expected, and i don't think it's going to have a terrible downdraft on the markets tomorrow. >> okay, is this going to be a whip lash that hits the 401(k)s of the country. >> it's not so much about aggregate numbers. profit margins are important. aggregate numbers do play a
role. given the fact that volume has a lot to do with this shopping season, and volume is being delivered by the american consumer, we do have legs. gdp is positive. housing has largely stabilized. consumer confidence has definitely been rising over the last two months or so. there's a lot of positive work going on within the economy. i think there's legs. i think we could see more on this, we opened this morning very oversold. there's some buoyancy left market. >> peter kenny, thank you very much. in dallas today, the federal reserve bank released a survey of businesses in the reenchen. and a plastics company said we wish we could receive some
encouragement from the stalemate in congress. it's hurting the u.s. economy and it could affect the president's chances for re-election. john avlon, leslie sanchez and paul begala are with us. good to have all of you with us. john, let me start with you. a few good economic headlines, they come amidst an overall picture which is grim. they change sentiment, are headlines like this good holl day, not great jobs creation, but some jobs creation, enough to deliver him this election on a silver platter? >> not to deliver anyone on a silver platter. the trend -- if you look at overall, that's the important thing, the trend. when reagan, leading up to his landslide in 18984 had 8.5% unemployment at this dime. that's why it felt like morning in america. the fact that the economy seems to be stabilizing is a positive
sign. this is not over until it's over. it's going to be a squeaker. >> one thing that could help the president, today, this afternoon, on wolf blitzer, you saw it, a woman accusing herman cain of having a 13-year extra-marital affair is speaking out. here's what she told atlanta station waga about the affair and why she decided to speak out. >> he made it very intriguing. it was fun. it was something that took me away from my sort of hum drum life at the time. and it was exciting. i didn't want to do this but it was something that i felt at the end of the day was the right thing to do. and is it going to hurt a lot of people? yes. i'm sure i will be one of them. >> all right. so there she was and her background so you're aware in this piece to this investigative reporter, she talked about
admitted she filed a sexual harassment claim in 2001. which of course, and there's a libel order right now on her, which of course, may not palestinian anything but it's background we wanted to share with you. cain was on "the situation room" earlier, he denied the affair and he also said this. >> as long as my wife is behind me and as long as my wife believes that i should stay in this race, i'm staying in this race. >> all right. cain as a lawyer issued a statement, this appears to be an accusation of private alleged is consensual conduct between adults. mr. cain alerted his wife and discussed it with her. he has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media." paul, true? >> yes, in my opinion. lin wood is a respected attorney. if i were advising mr. cain, i would tell him to listen to his attorney. mr. wood said in the statement
basically none of your business. this is not an allegation of harassment, not an allegation of assault. it is an allegation of a consensual adult affair and mr. wood says that's none of your business. and you know what? i think he's got a good point. the problem is mr. cain didn't say that. he didn't stick to his lawyer's line. he said no, no, it's not true. so now we are in that he said, she said. i have to say i think none of your business is a perfectly good answer for an allegation of an adult consensual relationship. but mr. cain has deviated from that and i this i that's going to cause him political problems. >> he actually came out with wolf blitzer on the situation room and said, hey, i know this story is going to come out somewhere else, and i want to break it to you first and give my side of it. >> you're absolutely right. it was a really, paul and i were talking about that. it was a very uncomfortable interview to watch, because he was so personal, because he was trying to do that. he was equivocating there. i think it was unfortunate that wolf blitzer had to be so direct about these questions because he wasn't direct in his response at the beginning of that, denying everything.
and then he kind of eventually came to that. the point being i think many voters are going to look at this and say where there's smoke, there's fire. this casts additional doubt. and i think politically as republicans are looking at who is best set to go into a general election it's seen as another distraction, something else that chips away at our viability in terms of winning the white house in 2012. >> and, of course, extra-marital affairs, john avlon, personal? sure. some people may say they are. they always come out and do affect some voters. newt gingrich has been open about he's had affairs. >> that's right. and given enough time he can transcend them. >> this isn't just smoke in a fire, this is a forest fire. and this is a sad side show at this point. herman cain was going down in the polls. this won't help him with anybody. his numbers will continue to implode among women and evangelicals in particular. this is sort of sad. this isn't an allegation of harassment. this is a deeply personal and
it's something he has to work out with his family. >> i want to get each of your views on this. 17% was his rating in the latest poll. where does his support? >> going down. >> who's going to get it? gingrich and evangelicals? >> anything that pushes cain down probably goes to gingrich. >> absolutely. what you'll see is the rise of evangelicals moving over to gingrich. >> paul i would imagine that is something that barack obama likes too, having a go at gingrich, not mitt. >> i would think so. i don't talk to the president about these things or about anything for that matter. but the president -- i mean the democrats want the most extreme candidate to be nominated. and you know, i actually think other people col benefit from this could can be congresswoman bachmann and rick santorum, who is the only person in the race so far who hasn't gotten a bump. >> he's waiting for his turn. >> no, you know, the truth be
told, we like especially for these high level kind of candidates, people like to narrow it down to one or two choices. that's what this invisible primary is supposed to do. i think we've pretty much run the course in this set. it's gravitating toward romney and gingrich. that's where a lot of the battle is going to be right now. >> there could be that independent dark horse galloping like a knight in shining armor. >> who is going to be the knight in shining armor? thanks so much to all three. appreciate it. up next, the latest details from the syracuse abuse scandal. the wife of the assistant coach accused of molestation claims that incriminating tapes were tampered with. and then barney frank, his days in congress are numbered. what are we going to do without being able to spar with barney frank on television. and an ally america dislikes. but can't seem to live without. a nato strike accidentally kills pakistan soldiers. the country's prime minister fighting back against the u.s.
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changed to include more conservative areas. frank is the top democrat on the powerful house financial services committee. but unlike many former congressmen, says he's not going to become a lobbyist. >> there's no way i would be a lobbyist. look, i'll miss this job, and have regret when the new congress is signed up. but i will tell you this and maybe you're going to laugh but one of the advantages to me of not running for office is, i don't even have to pretend to try to be nice to people i don't like. now, some of you may not think i've been good at it, but i've been trying. >> that's what we like about barney frank, just that curmudgeonly no b.s. sort of attitude. i think everyone's going to miss him. i have to say from experience as he did financial reform, even people who detested what he was doing really respected his acumen and his ability. well, there are a couple more 16s about mr. frank. he's tied for 16th in the length
of time served among current house members and that is actually the number of people on our staff who were not born when he took office in 1981. that's frightening. let's bring in keith ablow, one of the leading psychiatrists in the field. he's outfront tonight to help us get a better understanding of the case in syracuse. thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >> anytime. >> and let me just ask you, obviously the background here is that there was a conversation that was taped between bernie fine who is the man who was accused of molesting now potentially three your honor boys. there was a conversation between his wife and the first of those boys, now a nearly 40-year-old man. i believe we have the sound byte, don't we, andrew zm? okay. here it is. >> go to a place where there's gay boys. find yourself a gay boy, you know, get your rocks off, have it be over with.
>> yeah. >> you know, he needs a -- that male companionship that i can't give him. nor is he interested in me, and vice versa. >> what do you make of this, keith? >> well, i know that laurie fine, his wife is maintaining that this tape has been doctored. if it hasn't been, then what you have is rare insight into just how toxic child sexual abuse can be. and how people who look quite normal can be engaged in it. here's a woman with her head in the sand if things are what they seem to be, literally allowing her husband to continue sexually abusing a boy. why? i don't know. did she like the money from his basketball salary? i don't know. but the bottom line is it's going to be very tough to argue, hey those aren't my words and i didn't mean what i said. a lot of doctor would have to go on on that tape.
>> it is pretty amazing. keith, let me paws for a second and bring inning ed lavandera in syracuse to get the latest. from what you understand, ed -- what is your understanding of the situation here with the tape tapes? which can i also want to add are tapes that go back to i believe 2003. at the time they were given over to espn, the network looked into them and didn't find enough to corroborate them. and actually put it on the air, report or report it at the time, right, ed? >> yeah, that was what they've been saying also the local newspaper here in syracuse as well saying they had that. we've reached out to the syracuse police department who said that there had been -- it's hard to say. they say there was no investigation into this case, that the initial accuser, bobby davis, had called them and said that he had kind of inquired as to whether or not charges could be filed against bernie fine.
it was kind of left at that. syracuse police say they were not made aware of these phone recordings, as well. >> so, what is your understanding here about you know, the relationship between laurie fine and bobby davis, who have yours, is the man here allegedly who was both abused by bernie fine and then in a bizarre and very unpalatable twist also apparently when he turned 18 had an affair with bernie fine's wife laurie? >> you know, outside of just the tone of the way laurie fine was speaking with bobby davis went very much against the grain of the little bit of a glimpse that we've gotten of laurie fine in the last couple weeks. her demeanor on these calls if they haven't been doctored is anything different than i expected to hear, quite honestly. in the course of those tapes and the espn report as well, does make and bobby davis mentioned as well that he did have a
sexual relationship with bernie fine's wife. clearly the relationship in laurie fine's words, the relationship between her and her husband seemed very strained at best. >> yeah. i mean, keith, let me ask you. the situation seems to be just utterly bizarre, right? a man accused of abuse and pretty much everyone who knew him, several of whom talked to this show and other shows thought it was shocking. now it comes out not only is there tape between his wife and the accuser but that the wife may have had an affair with the accuser. is this just utterly bizarre or are these twisted things not as
uncommon as we wish they were? >> i wish they were uncommon, a husband and wife potentially abusing the same person even though he turned 18, rare, of course. i've got an office in massachusetts north of boston. i've had several people in their 30s and 40s come to me and are reach out to past abusers and get corroboration and a check that yes, it happened and they buried this for many, many years. if that's my one office, erin,
imagine the whole country. this is rampant. and so it's not an exception in that regard. >> and keith, how in your experience, as you talk about your office, is it possible or how common is it for a spouse to not know their significant other has these types of tendencies? obviously, in this case laurie fine is saying, she was well aware. but in general, how often are spouses not aware? >> well, psychologically, it's very often the case that the women who marry these guys want to keep their heads in the sand. they're in denial to start with. that's why they picked someone they didn't know at all. very often the roots for that level of denial go back to their own childhoods and life experiences. so by nature, they keep their heads in the sand. if you listen to that tape, by the way, you'll hear something very disturbing in laurie fine's tone when she asks him, whether there was oral sex involved. there's a voyeuristic quality as though she's enjoying hearing the story. that's tremendously disturbing. >> i think that's a good word to use to describe it. keith, you're the author of a new book "inside the mind of casey anthony." as you look at these sorts of situations, i wanted to ask your view on everything you've learned now about casey anthony. do you think that she was
abused? what kind of conclusions did you come to? >> well, when we talk about families where parents have their hides in the sand or one spouse does, casey grew up in a house where her parents utterly denied her existence. all of her pathology went unaddressed. her mom didn't know she was seven months pregnant. she delivered her baby in a she delivered her baby in a t b lki aher. that's saying good-bye to her daughter who had a short beautiful life without the abuse she suffered. >> thank you very much, keith. we appreciate it. of course, also to ed lavandera up in syracuse. coming up, an american college student released from an egyptian jail comes out front and we lighten up with a story we can't resist.
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my favorite time of the year. for a lot of people, that means decorating the outside of the house. so every year there are amazing displays out front of the homes in this country. and when we asked our facebook followers about their favorites, we got a lot of great submissions. lots of him. but the craziest most over the top display is the oak dale street display in st. petersburg, florida. produced by the same family since 1977, it covers almost an acre, half an acre and includesage an 18-train railroad a tight rope walking bear, 70-foot christmas tree and 600,000 lights. just how big is it? well, the christmas tree display
at rockefeller center in new york city has a tree roughly the same height but uses just 30,000 lights. the display in florida is a lot bigger than the largest one in the other st. petersburg, st. petersburg petersburg, russia. which has a lot less christmas lights and if their accident reports are any indication, a lot fewer traffic lights, as well. now, that st. petersburg is home to arguably the most dangerous intersection in the world. we caught video of crashes caught at the prospect intersection. i was amazed at the display in florida, but we tried to make it just as festive. >> gosh, the person came flying out of that car. all right. well, maybe the ice and snow contribute there. we couldn't resist. still "ow outfront" the outfront five. released. >> i thought that there was a good chance that they might kill cuss perhaps that night. drones watching you. >> big brother is arriving in the form of surveillance drones. >> who's really smarter.
one of the reasons strong internet sales on monday. it's called cyber-monday. ibm predicted cyber-monday sales would be up 30%. we got this statement from ebay ceo john donahue. he said "the thing that stands out about this holiday season is how consumers are using their mobile phones to shop. consumers now feel like they have a mall in their pocket." those smart phones have done it. number two, u.s. internet use users watched 42.6 billion online videos in october. that's big and it's a new record. 184 million users watched with the videos with the average person watching 21.18 hours of content during the month. that's kind of disturbing. we looked through the new data. google sites rank number one.
facebook came in second with 59.8 million viewers. new home sales climbed 1.3 last month up 9% from last year. the report released today found roughly 160,000 new homes on the market at the end of october. we spoke to analysts. they tell outfront despite the increase in sales, most indicators which includes mortgage applications and housing permits really only show a modest improvement in the housing market. without an improvement there, the economy is still in the doldrums. new satellite images is show damage to an iranian military compound which blew up earlier this month. analysis of the images which you see here appear to show buildings were destroyed and that there was a lot of debris. senior defense officials told barbara starr the u.s. believes the iranians were missing mixing volatile fuel for a ballistic missile when the explosion happened. 17 people have reportedly been in the explosion. it has been 115 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? right now it looks like we're
which ended the dictator ship of mubaraking in february. peaceful crowds are gathering tonight in cairo's too rear tahrir square. you're looking at live pictures there. a far cry from the violent protests against egypt's interim military leaders. caught up in that were three american students, derek sweeney and 21-year-old luke gates. the three were arrested on the rooftop of an american university building accused of throwing fire bombs and molotov cocktails at security forces that were dealing with violent protesters in the streets below. last wednesday, the students were unexpectedly set free. and one of them with us tonight, derek sweeney along with his mother. she was on the show last night. derek, while -- at that point she didn't know where you were. she talked to you one time before she came on the show. great to have you both with us. derek, let me start with you and tell us what happened? >> yeah, well, we were actually never on a rooftop. and we certainly never handled or were involved with these fire bombs as they say. we came to the protests that night around 11:00 p.m. hoping to see democracy being born, hoping to adhere ideas of liberty and freedom and hoping to partake in the spirit of revolution. certainly. and we were in the square itself, and it was quite peaceful. and it was really exciting. but then around midnight, we got a call from an egyptian friend and he invited husband to come onto the side streets where i knew that it got more violent to some degree, though i didn't quite know the full extent of it. fnt ecided to go wih m. p ep ay away and some folks offered to aitngs d reed us. >> all right. t a >> no, not at all. i would say i was quite passionate about the protests but quite passionate in a peaceful manner. >> joy, where were you when you heard he was going to be
released? i know when you and i spoke last, you were unsure when you would hear. >> yes, it was actually about 6:00 a.m. on thanksgiving day that i heard, 6:00 a.m. local time that i was -- it was confirmed to me that he would be released. so it was a tremendous gift from god and the universe of love for thanksgiving day. so we had much to be grateful
for. >> derek, everyone's talking about what it's like in egypt right now. whether there's a rule of law or not. so in the two nights that you spent, what happened? how were you treated? >> well, the first night was horrible really. we spent about seven hours on the ground in the dark in the fetal position with our heads to the floor, our shirts over our head covering our eyes and there were guys behind us, egyptian policemen with guns telling us that if we moved, we would be shot. if we spoke, we would be shot. so, there's certainly the idea of death at least crossed my mind in that period. but after that, we were in sort of the more formal legal process
and we were in prisons and jails. the treatment was improved. >> quickly before we go, in a word, derek, do you still believe? would you go back? >> yes, one day i hope to go back. though i think it may take awhile. >> i'm glad for the optimism and happy for both of you on that reunion. good to talk to you again, joy, and to see you, derek. >> great to be here. >> many thanks. it's a police force dream. drones used by the military to track down terrorists. are shrunken to fit in the trunk of a car yet able to soar across america's skies to track down criminals. drones like the remote controlled qube, with a q which is currently being tested by engineers in southern california. it all sounds well and good and until the same kind of drone flies over your backyard and falls into the hands of the very criminals or terrorists law enforcement wants to track. enforcement wants to track. the faa still has technical issues to hammer out but plans to propose new rules for their use in january. obviously this raises serious questions about drones, about privacy in america, what the government can look at when you
don't know they're looking. paul callon callan joins us to talk about this issue. this is an interesting issue because we've been talking a lot about this lately with the rise in homegrown terrorism and we will use drones overseas to look for these people. we're not allowed to use them in the united states. what do you think? >> it's a fascinating issue and gross out of the military's development of this technology to track terrorists and very effectuallyively effectively fight terrorists overseas. now, of course, they're selling the drones to commercial enterprises and local police forces and literally, a local police force, might have the ability to have one of these small helicopters come right down outside your win and look through the window taking photographs of a suspected crime scene. the question is, is that a violation of the fourth amendment to the constitution, which protects us from unreasonable searches and is it an invasion of privacy? >> but isn't it -- first of all, what do you think about that? secondly, isn't it just a matter of time, and maybe i'm cynical, but it would seem to me, if we have the technology and the fear that people are doing bad things, someone's going to do, they're going to look. >> they're going to look. but should the police be looking into your window? traditionally in the united states, we've had a doctrine if you have an expectation of privacy and it's a reasonable expectation, then the government can't do a search unless they get a search warrant from a judge. that goes back to a case when they put a listening device on a
public telephone booth. and the court there said you know something? even though it's in public, you when you go into the booth it's private. out of that has grown all of this law in this area that's not kept up with the technology at all. >> so what do you think is going to happen here? you have to get the permit i guess? >> i think what's going to happen ultimately, the government's going to need a search warrant the for certain kinds of searches. if the helicopter can literally cross your land line and look in your window, you would have an expectation of privacy. you have to get a warrant for that. i think on the other hand, if the drone is just flying overhead much like a commercial airplane, then tough, they're going to be able to take a picture. >> google is doing it every day. you can look at someone's house. i remember sitting with my former coon chore mark haynes
and he could see his car parked in the driveway. they're doing it. >> they are. >> why can't. >> why can't the police do it? i think the difference is, at least with google, that's a satellite shot. we know maybe the roof is fair game, maybe even the yard. >> not looking in his house. >> they can't look in your window yet. i think the courts will be somewhat restrictive about this. otherwise we'll have no privacy at all. eventually you'll have technology you can look through walls with infrared, you can listen.
the government needs laws in this area if we're going to having any privacy or if our lives will be open to public view. as by the way, the younger generation seems to say, okay. >> it's just a sea change of how we perceive -- >> they're putting it all up on facebook as it is, so why not take a picture of it, too. i don't agree with it. i think the fourth amendment is there for a reason. i vote for get a judge if you're going to look at my house. or the inside of it, anyway. >> paul callan, thank you very much. interesting issue on privacy. whether you think the government should be allowed to fly drones over america if that means they could thwart a terrorist attack. can they look in your bedroom. coming up in the inner circle, a nato helicopter killed 24 pakistani soldiers. an update on baby sci, she disappeared three weeks ago, where is she? we do this nearly the same ? tylenol: me, too. and nasal congestion. nyquil:what? tissue box (whispering): he said nasal congestion... nyquil: i heard him. anncr vo: tylenol cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion... nyquil cold & flu doesn't. we do this nearly the same
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here's what prime minister ghalani told reza sayah. >> business as usual will not be there. therefore we have to have something bigger so that to satisfy my nation. >> reza sayah, who did that interview is in islamabad. what does this whole situation mean for the u.s.? >> that has a lot do with what the investigation shows by u.s. central command. there's still question whether these u.s. and nato forces drew fire first.
but if indeed u.s. forces made a mistake here, look for washington to go into diplomacy overdrive. that means for the time being less criticism of pakistan, less tough talk in an effort to win back good will and do some damage control. erin? >> reza, thank you very much. going to be interesting considering the u.s. put quite a bit of its military on hold. now to russia where putin formally accepted his party's nomination for the 2012 elections. matthew chance, are russians happy about his third presidential run? obviously, he's currently the prime minister. >> in general, i think they are. but we have seen indications that there's a growing sense of unease with vladimir putin returning to the kremlin. recent opinion polls suggest his ruling party may not win the overwhelming majority it usually enjoys. earlier this month, putin was actually heckled by a crowd, which is unprecedented for a man who's often hero worshipped by the russian public. erin? >> thank you very much, matthew. it's been three weeks since 2-year-old sci metawala disappeared in washington.
so far investigators have not come up with a solid lead. according to his mother, she ran out of gas and left 2-year-old sci alone in the car as she walked for help. police have since questioned the mother's story after determining the car was not out of gas and was working fine. police have also questioned her link to a website which helps women searching for "sugar daddies." she has been estranged from her husband for more than a year. the two were in the midst of a custody battle. does that have anything to do with her son's disappearance.
solomon is out front with his attorney. appreciate both of you being with us. solomon, what do you think happened to your son sky? >> well, we can just take a guess what happened with sky. the police and the fbi are working on the case night and day. all we know right now is that sky's missing and we need to find him. >> do you have any idea where he may be at this time or who might have been responsible? do you think it was your estranged wife? >> like i said, you know, the police and the fbi are working on it day and night. and i have great trust in what they're doing. i've been to their command center. and they are doing everything possible to get sky back. >> clay, let me ask you, there were reports of a ransom note that turned out to not be true. are you hearing anything about a possible suspect at this point? >> no, we suspect the mother knows more than what she's telling. there was a report of a ransom note. it was a bogus note.
too bad people are enjoying this tragedy. >> when was the last time you spoke to your wife? i understand you haven't seen your kids in more than a year. what kind of custody are you trying to get here? >> >> 100% custody for both my children. >> why do you think you were denied it the first time? >> it was all of julia's lies in court. that's what was so difficult to -- i mean, the truth is always right there, but it's all fouled up by so much false. >> thank you very much. solomon metawala, the father of sky. we certainly hope he is found and found okay. and clay terry, thanks very much. solomon's attorney. >> thank you, erin. coming up, machines could be smarter than humans? uh-uh, uh-uh. that's what the teleprompter says. and you know what we say to that? hmm. ly? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels fights your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your stuffy nose. [ deep breath ] thank you! that's the cold truth! if you have painful, swollen joints,
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computers versus brains. who is winning? well, when it comes to storage and processing speed, okay, the computer. but that's not everything. fujitsu's latest computer holds ten times more data than the human brain. but pound for pound and watt for watt, is the brain still more efficient? we're joined by "time" magazine's senior editor jeffrey kluger. jeffrey, what's interesting about this, there's so many things, but the use of the word watts, our brain has wattage power equivalent to turning light bulbs on? >> that's right. we don't think of ourselves as electrical machines, but we do run on electricity.
we think of ourselves as gooey masses of living stuff, but we do run by electricity. the computer, the fujitsu k requires 9.9 million to operate which could run 10,000 homes. our brains require 20 watts which is all it takes to run a refrigerator bulb. so we're a teeny bit more efficient. >> but human brain, refrigerator doesn't sound quite so inspiring which gets me to the crux of the issue, and that is who is smarter, the computer or the human brain? both in terms of -- i like the words here -- bites and mega flops. so what's the answer to the question? >> here's the thing. you look at the way watson, the
one second. >> a million books in a second. >> in a second. but that's steam shoveling data. he's just going through enormous quantities of stuff, pulverizing it. human beings go to the key data. we do it through intuition, through nimbleness, through our ability to learn, to draw information from multiple senses and get there the same -- in a much different way from the way the computer does with much smaller processing capacity. >> when you look at this over time and i know you've been looking at interesting studies "scientific american," is it going to continue to stay this way?