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"starting point" begins right now. that's ali's playlist. "holding out for a hero." ali will join us to hear his description of what happened on that plane, really terrifying. hank is back joining us. nice to have you. dr. alicia is a psychiatrist, author of a great book which is called "back to life." she was on our trayvon martin specialist the other day. will cain is a columnist for e >> luckily after a lot of dramatic moments it ended very safely. >> hoping that sully sullenbering is running that plane. >> who is our pilot this
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morning. is it sullenberger on the plane? this morning we're also talking about the etan patz case. a fresh search by the fbi and by the new york police department for etan. 6-year-old boy disappeared 33 years ago now. forensic investigators started scouring the basement of a building in the new york city neighborhood where the little boy disappeared. concrete floor was laid by a handyman who had connections with the boy. >> we're looking for human remains, clothing or other personal effects of etan patz in trying to find out where he disappeared, why he disappeared and where. >> susan candiotti is live for us this morning right outside that building. susan, good morning. first, tell me how they decided to focus their attention on this particular building and why and what have they found so far? >> good morning, soledad. based on old and new
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information, according to sources, the fbi was led to a carpenter who was also a handyman who had a workshop in that basement. they brought in a cadaver dog and that cadaver dog picked up a human scent. and while interviewing that man, i am told by sources, and this is new information, that this man, who had befriended the boy and who had given him a dollar and was in the basement with that boy a day before etan disappeared. he blurted out to the police very recently, what if the body was moved? that's a quote. what if the body was moved? that's when police really set the wheels in motion and started their escivation work. he has not been charged and not in custody. so, that escavation work, which is well under way, will resume, soledad, for the next five days.
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they're going to gather everything up that they find. literally down to the dirt that they're picking up and send it to the fbi lab at quantico for more research. >> susan, this is will cain, how is it this man has avoided attention for so many years and just now turning to him? >> isn't that fascinating, will. we do have an induction that this man was interviewed way back when. i do know that that basement had been searched and had been figured into the investigation, but, to what extent he was interviewed, obviously, that's the main question. but when the district attorney here reopened this case back in 2010, federal investigators began looking into the old files and looking for new leads and that's when they decided to take another look at this man and not focus solely on the gentleman you mentioned, mr. ramos who is currently serving time on an
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unrelated child molestation conviction. he has been in jail for many, many years and might be released actually later this year. >> susan, while you were talking we threw a map up on the screen. you can see where the patz home is and very close to that is that current investigation just a few doors down from the home and then back in 2000 there was an investigation, as well. a little bit further away is what it focused on. will, it's so interesting, you're a texan, you didn't grow up in new york and you don't have a sense of what this case meant for new yorkers. it literally was the case that made people fearful that your child could be snatched off the street in broad daylight, even patz, of course, was allowed to walk to school for the first time as a 6-year-old and the parents let him go the two blocks to the bus. >> the first day they let him. >> it was a case that got to the heart. terrifyi terrifying, right, alicia? >> i was a kid when this happened and etan was a kid a
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few years younger than me. my parent would talk to us about this happening and this stuff doesn't happen often. but now as a mother of a 6-year-old. they want to do things like walk a block to the bus or visit the super in the basement. >> you have to put it in the context of new york at the time. the place was absolutely uncontrollable. and children were no longer safe anywhere. >> it's hard to articulate for someone who is not from here what it kind of meant to be a kid living in the tri-state area because it was the case that sort of started all that. later we're going to be talking to ray kelly, the new york city police commissioner about some of those details that susan candiotti just gave us. why now? why this guy, again? what did they miss the first time around? that's coming up later this morning. want to get to mark class.
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he is a founder of two organizations. one is beyond missing incorporated. mark, nice to see you. you and i met years ago when polly was kidnapped. i was a reporter in san francisco covering that story at the time. there were moments, again, when the media and the police would all rush to an area thinking, yes, we found some kind of lead and, no, not this time and it would happen. obviously, only a few months went by before they discovered that polly had been killed. talk to me about what is going through the minds of parents when they have these ups and these terrible downs and things like that. >> soledad, it's always a pleasure. i was lucky. i was informed by the authorities early on in the case that anything relevant in polly's case would come to me from them and not from the media. so, as those reports were starting to roll out, particularly in the later days,
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and, really, literally, any time somebody found a dog bone there would be a breathless reporter saying that polly's remains had been discovered. i was able to get through that. but the emotional roller coaster is absolutely extraordinary. it takes you from the lowest depths, as you might imagine having your child gone and possibly murdered to other places that are still pretty low when you start hearing these reports and, particularly, after time. i know that the kevin collins family had to go through this. so many others have. you get these tantalizing bits of information that might lead you somewhere and, ultimately, they prove to be for not. so, i think that ultimately you become cynical, you step back and you take a deep breath and wait until the investigation or that portion of the investigation is resolved. but it's a terrible thing to have to go through. >> i can only imagine. you know, as we've been talking
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about a moment ago this case was the literal first case, the first milk carton case. were there things that they learned from the etan patz case that were informative for you? >> it changed the dynamic. it really pulled the lid off of america's dirty little secret, the fact that children are being victimized in large numbers. it's only after etan patz that president reagan designated the date that he went missing, may 25th, is national missing children's day. it also put the face on the milk carton project. it's when they started compiling numbers. it was the beginning of the national center for missing and exploited children. it was just some years after that. so, really, it was about the compilation of data so that law enforcement and the public would have a better understanding of this issue and law enforcement would have a better
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understanding of how to investigate this issue. for instance, they overlooked this individual who may be responsible in etan's case. however, statistics take you right to family and individuals who knew the child and then you move out from that point to the stranger scenarios. so, it's much more about people who did know the child than it is about the iconic stranger. >> it will be interesting to see what they are able to find and certainly the focus they're looking at now. mark klass, thanks for your time. we appreciate it. delta airlines are waiting for inspection results before they confirm that it was birds that caused that emergency landing that happened yesterday just after takeoff from new york city kennedy airport. video may be all the proof they need. take a look. that was birds zipping by and then you could hear that kind of crunching sound. that was shot by passenger grant cardone. birds going right into the
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engine. one of his fellow passengers, alli velshi. what i found interesting, guys. once you reached out to your family members you started tweeting and updating everybody and i can't decide if that's fantastic and heroic or just weird. so, tell me. really, the first thing of, the second thing you think of is tweeting? what's that about? >> the new day, the new moment. >> you could tell, obviously, ali, there was a problem. you could hear the crunch in that video. >> i travel a lot as you know, soledad. two or three flights a week. i heard a lot of things you heard a lot of things on planes. it sounded like a car had gone into that engine. a remarkable grinding noise. i think we might have been 1,000 feet above ground. you know, i keep track of that because at 10,000 feet that bell goes off and you can use your electronics. that's what i was looking for. all of a sudden this crunching, gross sound. 45 second or something? >> it felt like it was going to
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be an eternity because i thought the plane was literally going to roll over on its side. >> right after this, right after you see these birds. that's when the sound hit. >> really, you hear it clearly on the tape. >> let me ask you a question, grant. you were shooting this with your camera. was there panicking onboard the flight? did people realize say that sound like a car hitting our plane in the air, did they freak out? >> no. there was no panic. it was more of an introversion, for those few seconds you don't know what is going to happen at that moment. once the engine devoured the birds, it did sound exactly like eating a car. like this big 757 engine was consuming an automobile and once it digested that, it got very quiet. we went up and down and lurching in the plane and i thought at that moment it was going to roll over. i dropped my ipad. i didn't do this on the camera. i actually did it on an ipad and
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dropped the ipad to text my wife, hey, i'm on 1063 out of jfk, this flight's in trouble because i thought it was going to roll over and crash. i knew we were high enough, it would have been devastating. >> before we tweeted i sent it out to cnn. >> first your wife, then cnn, then -- >> one of the differences, grant was up front that is one reason why he was able to use his ipad. >> i was in the back and the difference is once that crunching sound stopped, the cabin started filling with smoke and that's when we got really worried. >> you know that we're all thinking that we're very happy that you're here to tell us about it when the plane was able to land 15 minutes or so later. gentlemen, we appreciate it this morning. >> thanks a lot, soledad. >> thank you. still ahead this morning, george zimmerman face-to-face with trayvon martin's parents in court today. will he be released on bond.
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mark is going to join us to talk about it. also, a very organized banker. you know, making a spreadsheet to keep track of his business deals, things like that. also, apparently, keep tracks of his dates. poor guy. so, and then makes a mistake of sending it along to one of the young woman who is ranked high on his list. so, let me throw out this question as we go to break. what do you think happened with that? >> what was her response? >> do you think she read it and didn't send it to someone or do you think she sent it out? >> was it a ranking or a list? >> it was both, ranking and the list and details and rating. >> she went to find her name quite clearly. >> pass it on to the rest of the world. we will leave you with grant cardone's playlist. you're watching "starting point." back in a moment. hi, i just switched jobs, and i want
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face-to-face with george zimmerman's family today. all are expected in that florida courtroom. it will happen less than two hours from now for zimmerman's bond hearing and zimmerman's family is expected to testify by phone. the hearing is also going to be the first time that we see the new judge. kenneth lester jr. the judge should keep zimmerman in jail, in other words, no bond. listen. >> he has a right to a bond hearing and the judge after listening to both sides will make a decision. this is a nonbondable offense. the judge has discretion. this is a serious charge, anderson. it's a situation where on moral grounds, public safety grounds we think it's best that he be kept without bond and until these matters have concluded. >> mark is a criminal defense attorney and also cnn legal
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analyst. thank you for joining us. i don't think bond is appropriate. do you think bond is appropriate in this case? do you think he's likely to get it? >> i do think it is appropriate and i think there's a decent chance he'll get it. one can't read a judge's mind, but legally he's entitled from all that i am aware of right now. if new facts or evidence come out during the hearing, my opinion could change. three things that will be looked at. one, you look at risk of flight. i don't think there is any risk of flight here. as i understand and mr. zimmerman was in touch with law enforcement throughout when he was awaiting to see if a warrant was issued. he turned himself in voluntarily. before that time, he could have gone to any part of the world without any legal restrictions on him. that establishes he's not a risk of flight. then you have danger to the community. are there a set of bond conditions that could be established that show that, in fact, hered not be a danger. keeping him on house arrest, electronic monitoring would seemingly satisfy that.
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a legal standard, if i could. is the proof evident and the prezupr presumption great that he is guilty? i think there is a great national debate and the sanford police department said they weren't even going to arrest him. the question is anything but clear, absolute, i should say. that the presumption is great. in light of all those standards, he should be entitled to a bond. >> on this standard that you're talking about, proof evident, presumption great. it's greater than reasonable doubt. the prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they could get a conviction in this case. here's my question, do you expect the prosecution to attempt to prove that? in which case, i would have to assume they would put a lot of evidence out right now. >> very good point. i think they would have to tip their hand from what we've seen with the public right now. they don't have a whole lot there. if they want to bring out more, then they're going to have bring it out in the hearing because, as you indicate, the burden is
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there. it's not the defense's. they have to establish it and they'll have to do it by evidence and putting on witnesses and testimony and additional documents. that's going to be a big risk for them to do at this point and they might end up telling their plan and have a bond set. >> why is this a moral discussion? >> i note that the defense counsel, the family's lawyer talks about this as a moral need to keep this guy in jail. what would be the moral reason? what is that about? >> well, i think you hit a great point. mr. crump was saying that, i like mr. crump personally and think he's an excellent lawyer but the moral issue has nothing to do with this. it is a legal issue. we are in a court of law. the law should be followed. if, in fact, we let this be passions and emotions, then we lost sight of what our criminal justice system is about. i understand the desire and the passions but if we allow the judges to bedictated by passions and emotions rather than a law,
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then we really lost the essence of what our legal system stands for. >> ben crump also went on to say that the family was not going to meet with zimmerman. he had offered or suggested a meeting with the family members before this bond hearing and ben crump said, listen, that's not going to happen. do you think that that was a smart maneuver? does it matter ultimately in the court of law or do you think they should have, in fact, taken that meeting? >> i think that a meeting at some point will take place between the attorneys and discuss things more deeply. i think it's a bit early, but nuther wrong with the overture. you don't get anywhere without communicating whether a personal relationship, a political relationship or otherwise. if you don't communicate, you're at war and you fight. when you communicate, you have a better chance of resolving your differences. there will be a time that simply mr. crump, not inappropriately, said the time is not now and i think mr. o'mara made an overture. they're in positions where
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they're jockying or doing what they think is best for their particular side. there will be a time that they will be talking. >> nice to see you, thanks for your time. we appreciate it. alicia, quick question for you. you could see a family saying, i cannot have this meeting but mark sets it up as, listen, a court of law and also a negotiation. at some point, you know, the family has to communicate. that's going to be the basis of any kind of moving forward. at the same time, you know, their son is dead. as a psychiatrist, how do you advise people to navigate something like that that is just so impossible? >> i think what the family wants more than anything, what they need psychologically more than anything, what happened that day. that's not stuff they'll get from george zimmerman. right now they're entitled to feel ow hay feel and they should proceed by letting the court get the evidence. ahead this morning, i love this guy. this is a nice, young man who was just trying to keep all the girls straight.
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active dating life, kind of busted, though, for his very detailed dating spreadsheet. we'll tell you why organization worked against him in today's "get real." here's hank's playlist "somebody to love." [ wind howling ]
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this is off of alicia's playlist. joss stone, "fell in love with a boy." one of my favorite stories of all time. an investment banker, a guy who feels that life can only be
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better if you use your spreadsheets and organize your work and personal life decided to do that, but what he did, he started using spreadsheets to track the girls that he was dating. his name is david mercer. he kept details of the meetings, krvegs and details of the text messages that had been sent back and forth and girls fell into categories monitor casually, they were in alphabetical order their age, notes, comments and a rating. by the way went from 10 and never dipped below 7.5 for any of the young ladies. >> he has a standards. >> i think it's quite impressive. what he did, one of the young woman he was dating said, oh, please, send me the spreadsheet and he did and she sent it on and the rest, as they say, is history. he became world famous for his detailed spreadsheet, which you should throw back up, again. he says this after getting a lot of crap from people about this
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process he said, listen, he says, i work with spreadsheets a lot. it's a great additional tool. i work long days, go to the gym and go out on a couple mid-week dates and get home late, how am i going to remember them? i'm not. you know what, alicia, i'm going to put my children on spreadsheets. how much i love them that day, what i felt about their behavior. a great tracking tool for people you're emotionally supposed to be connecting with. >> i'm relieved there weren't more graphic categories. >> he was quite nice, really. >> she must have been one of the 7.5 because if she was one of the 10s. you make more enemies than friends with this thing. >> did you share yours? >> why would you put it on a computer? why would you digs tize it? the november election could be more interesting than anybody expects with new polling insight into just how tight that
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[ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! welcome back, everybody. we now know the names of two of the secret service agents that are involved in the colombia prostitution scandal. both are senior supervisors and both have launched their jobs. he posted this picture on his facebook page and in the comments section, he said i was really checking her out fia know what i mean. he is married with an adult son. didn't escape the attention of the former alaska governor. >> this agent who was kind of ridiculous there in posting pictures and comments about checking someone out.
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well, check this out, body guard, you're fired and i hope his wife send him to the doghouse. >> chaney retired under pressure this week and the other agent ousted greg stokes. more firings expected at the secret service as early as today. former secret service agent who served on president clinton's presidential detail team and also the founder and president of insight security. it's nice to see you. one of the first things i thought, i was surprised secret service agents were allowed to have facebook pages that would include pictures of people they were guarding. that seemed very strange to me. is it typical? >> i think it's as typical as the changing nature of social media. secret service agents have regular lives and, certainly, as with younger agents, difficult to deny them the opportunity to participate in social media. >> you could, really. i am not allowed to have a personal facebook page that is different than my work facebook
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page. there is a rule that says you exist here at work -- >> i don't think we'll have work facebook pages in the secret service. >> the point is well taken. i think we think of the secret service different than other employees. it's surprising where he has a facebook page to carry work over. >> well, secret service agents have an enormous amount of responsibility and they carry that responsibility 24 hours a day and they do have a very focused mission on protecting the secret service protectees. it's different from a different position where you turn it on and turn it off. >> let's talk about the resignations. here's what peter king said as he was talking about more secret service agents leaving. look. >> you will have more employees leaving. either today or tomorrow. exact number i don't know. i expect more employees to leave the secret service.
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>> can you talk to me a little bit about the process. why are we getting these resignations or ousting one or two at a time, as opposed to at the end of an investigation they determined x number of people are now out? >> i think the story here is really this is an unprecedented focus for the secret service that immediately when these issues arose, the secret service jumped on this investigation devoted an enormous amount of resources. believe me, nothing more important at secret service headquarters than getting to the bottom of this and resolving this. that is the type of approach you've seen since the beginning of the revelations of these events. >> ted nugent has been interviewed by the secret service now. he wrote an op-ed and one of the rare people who had his secret service interview and then went right to write the op-ed, i'll read a little bit for you. i have personally never been prouder. if my daily activities and simple statements of truth and logic could cause a bizarre
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overreaction by so many, i need no more evidence that i am on the right track. when doing god's work the devils go bauon zoe. so be it, i stand by my statements. the line is drawn in the american sand. i stand with patriots -- it goes on and on. do you think his visits merited a visit by the secret service? >> no doubt. they are taken incredibly serious the statement of anyone who has made a threat or potential threat against the president. being interviewed by the secret service doesn't mean you're being harassed or arrested or going under surveillance. someone is coming by and trying to understand the nature of the things that you said. considering how incredibly important the mission of the secret service is, that's a very valuable function and this comment like hundreds of others, and every day people are calling -- >> it's the one comment, right, if president obama is re-elected i will either be dead or in jail. >> by this time next year.
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>> what is the threshold? what is the threshold that attracts your attention? >> difference between threat and free speech. >> when does it become a crime? >> threatening a secret service protectee falls outside the first amendment. when is it a crime? it is a crime when it puts the recipient in fear of their life and it also falls into a gray area of where conduct may not be criminal, but may be give rise to mental health intervention. so many people historically who tried to assassinate the president mentally ill. >> were you threatening assassination or just, you know, talking about something might happen and you're being vague. what literally would they ask? >> secret service agents are trained to, is this a real threat? what is the stass tus of the pen making it? say you get a threat from a
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person who is so mentally ill, they can't leave their home or the facility they're in. >> any threat the secret service is in there, even if the person is so disorganized they couldn't execute something anyway. >> i still think the facebook page is weird, but we'll talk about that later. >> we have to get to zoraida. >> hey, soledad. police in north carolina will continue to question witnesses as they search for a missing soldier from ft. bragg. police divers completed their search of a pond in north carolina without finding any evidence. kelli bordeaux was last seen early saturday morning. they interviewed the man who drove her home. >> around 1:00, 1:30 she said, i'm tired, i want to go home. i said, okay. we got in the car and as soon as i pulled into meadowbrook she said you can stop right here and let me out, i'll walk. >> her husband is believed to
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have been out of town when she disappeared. a race for the white house. check out the new cnn poll of polls. it combines six major national polls conducted after rick santorum suspended his campaign. president obama holding a very slim three-point lead with 47% of the vote. and florida senator marco rubio finds himself, again, trying to kill the political buzz and he could be tapped to be mitt romney's running mate. he added fuel to the fire himself yesterday when he made this verbal. >> three, four, five, six, seven years from now if i do a good job as vice president. i'm sorry. >> you guys all got that, right? >> oops. rubio later said that ohio republican senator rob portman would make a "phenomenal choice for vice president." today's am house call a m e measles outbreak hitting the united states with new cases hitting a 15-year high.
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more than 200 cases of measles in the united states last year. that is more than triple usual numbers. health officials claim 90% of those cases are coming into the united states from foreign countries with low immunization rates. no one has died from the measles in the united states since 2008. life expectancy dropping for women across the united states. some girls will live shorter life spans their their mothers. huge parts of oklahoma, tennessee saw a decline in life expectancy between 1989 and 2009, including 84% of counties in oklahoma. researchers say women are less likely to be treated for high blood pressure or high cholesterol there. but, overall, life expectancy improved for american women but at a slower pace than men. women gained 2.7 years between 1989 and 2009. starbucks is a dropping a not so secret ingredient from
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its menu that really bugged some customers. by the end of june, it will no longer use an insect for coloring. a tomato extract will be used. the coffee chain making the change after a number of complaints. where was i? i didn't know this. >> iewww. that's all i can think. i support the change, let me say that. >> i do, too. my kid loves the frappuccino. wait till he finds out what is in it. >> what are they putting in it now? >> tomato juice. >> thanks. >> you're welcome. a violent confrontation caught on tape and why an officer got physical with this woman. plus, new york's top cop has the very latest on the renewed search for information about etan patz who vanished more than three decades ago. commissioner ray kelly will join us next.
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welcome back, everybody. we've been talking this morning about a possible break in the case of the disappearance of etan patz. a story that captured the nation's attention 33 years ago.
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the 6-year-old boy vanished without a trace from his home in new york city on may 25th, 1979. and it happened without a single shred of physical evidence. the case had gone cold. but on thursday an fbi dog picked up the trail of possible human remains just yards from where patz lived. ray kelly is with me this morning. walk me through how this information came to kick off this new search? >> the district attorney, si vance opened up this case in 2010. they went and spoke to people who had had some information and it directed them back to this scene. they used what they call cadaver dogs. they put pants down in this location and took the pants and showed a positive sign and then took the dog to the location. >> was this location -- it sounded to me when susan candiotti did her report for us that it had been searched before or at least part of a search. >> well, it had been searched.
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obviously, it was looked at a long time ago, 33 years ago. i think what is significant now is new technologies involved, new chemicals and just new techniques that can be used. so, i think law enforcement certainly fbi and nypd are hopeful that we can give some comfort to the parents. >> that would be so great. >> terribly anguished about this. >> commissioner for a good 20 years, i believe focus was on this man who had been a convicted pedophile. never was charged, but focusing to look at him. >> he's in prison now. >> now we see a shift in the case and, as you said, district attorney opened a reinvestigation in 2010 and you suggested there were conversations that led you to a new direction. now focused on a new individual and a new location. >> i'm not going to talk about possible suspects in this case. i don't think it's helpful to me in my position to do this at this time. the investigation is going forward and hopefully come forward with physical evidence that is going to be significant.
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>> one of the things that susan candiotti was telling us in her report was that a gentleman who worked as a handyman. this was a location where his, i guess workshop was and this is the place where they're now searching and her sources tell her that he blurted out, what if the body was moved while the cadaver dogs were doing their search. how much of that information is something you're going to focus on? we did these interviews before. i can't talk specifically. but she's been a reporter for a long time. her sources are usually great on these things. it sounds to me. is it something like that comment that could bring everybody's focus back around to this particular individual who is certainly not been named as a suspect in this case. >> well, sure. but, again, i don't want to get into the specifics of it. this is an active investigation and it's not helpful for the investigators, not helpful for any future prosecution for me at this juncture to make statements in this regard. >> talk about this case when you
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were starting out as a cop because this case happened and you had had been on the force and a huge case. >> lieutenant in the organized crime controlled bureau and i think it changed the way the country thought about missing children. as we know, etan's picture was the first one to go on a milk carton and i think parents sot t of rethought their willingness to let kids do lots of things. it was just a national focus on the case and we talked about it many, many times up until this juncture. so, it, it changed, i think it just changed national thinking and national conversation about missing children. >> they had hounds, we talk -- the literature i read went in to do searches. what is difference between hounds and a cadaver dog today? is that different technology informing the dogs?
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>> cadaver dogs, i don't believe we had cadaver dogs in the late '70s now specifically trained for a scent. dead body scent, quite frankly. and the fbi has them. they're well trained, but we also have chemicals such as l e luminol that we didn't have. x-ray machines. they can look through walls, which we didn't have then. a lot of technology that we brought to bear here. >> ray kelly, new york city police department. nice to see you, commissioner. we appreciate your time this morning. such a sad and tragic case for this family. still ahead on "starting point." do you forgive? i don't. i'm not a forgiving person, will cain knows this. a michigan man how he's been able to do it after his wife and his two young sons were killed by a drunk driver. we have their incredible story coming up next. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. i love cash back.
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six-time emmy award producer is working on a documentary about forgiveness. two neighbors lived in michigan with their homes about a mile apart from each other. the kids went to the same school. tom was driving drunk and killed gary's wife and children. unforgivable. but not for jerry. >> i knew that this happening to me was for me an opportunity. >> one of those opportunities was to meet tom, the man who took his family, the man gary was already forgiving. >> tom asked if i could forgive him. i replied can you forgive yourself? >> the focus of a documentary called "project forgive" and gary joins us along with the
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producer. nice to have you. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. you originally wanted more time. you didn't think the time was offering for your neighbor and former family friend, tom, was enough. you were mad about the amount of time. i think he was given three counts of second-degree murder. something like 19 years. >> 19 to 30. >> you thought not enough. now you say you want to forgive him. >> to think that you only get 19 years behind bars for killing three people does seem to be a little less than what i think might be deserving but they explained to me that's the statute, that's the law. when you plead the way he pleaded and got what he got, those are the perimeters that the law has been set down as a precedence before. but now and even shortly after just noticing that, that that was the time period that's allowed, what was there for me
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was i need to move on. >> forgiveness was really more about you than about tom? >> yes. i think so. >> why did you think this would be a great documentary. you knew both men. you were friendly with both families and thought it was a big story. >> judy, my family's business coach, my children baby sat gary's children. we've known each other for 15 years. we did a landmark education course about creating your life and learning about forgiveness and that's how we met and then to find out about the accident when it happened and two hours later to find out it was tom who created this crash and also in the same moment we know him as a family friend, he's a loving, kind, gracious man. and that's when a movie and a dilemma was born. >> you said you think sometimes the word forgiveness is a misnomer. what do you mean? >> i work in the field of trauma. my bread and butter is helping people overcome traumatic life events like this. at the end of the day what i have observed is you could have
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been justified in spending your life hating this guy and what would it have gained? it's important to distinguish between the trauma and take-home trauma. what's done is done. now you have a choice about what you do with your thoughts. what we call forgiveness, i think what you do with your thoughts. when you say to yourself, i can stew and i can hate. it's not going to do anything. i can use that to change legislation. i can use that to change the world or i can focus on something else. >> you must go from i would like to wring that man's neck to forgive and move on with your own life. >> in my memory, it went very quick. i have to move forward. yes, the time that he got behind bars might not have been justified in my eyes originally but right away i saw that my community, my children's friends, needed me to be strong to explain to them why their best friend wasn't back at school. >> we're out of time so we can't talk about it. we'll talk on the commercial
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break and post video online. it's called project forgive. i know you are a kick-starter. you are close to get to full funding which is a documentary. nice to have you join us this morning. thanks for being here. an hour from george zimmerman's court appearance where they will see trayvon martin's parents for the first time. we'll be live at the courthouse. have you seen this picture? a little boy runs out on the field of dreams until security or an outfielder grabbed him and handed him off to security. a little boy over the wall or was there more to it than that? watching "starting point." we're back in a moment. hallenge. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz.
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a new search this morning for the nation's first milk carton child. what clues could turn up in the case of etan patz? two of those secret service supervisors have now been forced out of their jobs over that prostitution scandal. now being named. this one protected sarah palin back in 2008. told everybody on facebook that he had his eyes on more than her safety. it's friday, april 20th. "starting point" begins right now. ♪ >> that's the dixie chicks "not ready to make nice." will cain's playlist. always from texas when it's will's playlist. will cain is here. nice to have you. and we have a psychiatrist author of a great book called "back to life" joining us as well.
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a face to face meeting between george zimmerman and the parents of trayvon martin. all are expected in the florida courtroom for george zimmerman's bond hearing. zimmerman's family expected to testify. they'll testify via phone and not in person. it will be the first time that we hear from a new judge who is presiding in the case whose name is kenneth lester, jr. zimmerman has been in jail since last wednesday when he surrendered to police. ben crump told anderson cooper that he believes that zimmerman should stay in jail. >> he has a right to a bond hearing. the judge after listening to both sides will make a decision. the judge has discretion. it's a serious charge. it's a situation where on moral grounds, public safety grounds and legal grounds we think it's best that he be kept without bond until these matters have concluded. >> joining us this morning, cnn
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legal analyst, sunny hostin. you heard ben crump there said on moral grounds and then legal grounds. how much of a weight could moral grounds have in a courtroom really? >> well, it shouldn't really have any weight. this is really a legal issue. i have to tell you, when you look at the standard in florida which is proof of guilt is evidence, presumption of guilt is great, that's even beyond a reasonable doubt at trial. so i suspect that there probably will be some sort of bond package that is fashioned for george zimmerman. >> how much money do you think? what range? what would be a typical bond package in this kind of deal? >> well, you know, this is a high profile case. this is a serious charge. we're talking about second-degree murder. and so there may very well be a very high monetary bond but then i think there will also be some other conditions. his safety has been called into question here and home confinement possibly would be a way of dealing with that and so
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i would imagine that there will be sort of a range of conditions in terms of a bond package if that's what the judge determines today. >> with that standard you just laid out proof evidence and presumption great which is beyond a reasonable doubt, tougher standard than reasonable doubt, do you expect the prosecution to really even try to oppose a bond? they would have to put on a lot of evidence. as a former prosecutor, would you even oppose pobond in this case? >> i would because it's a second-degree murder charge. it's a nonbondable offense. the burden is on the prosecutor. that's a heavy burden but the prosecutor can prove that burden or meet that burden with affidavits, perhaps with detective's testimony and prosecutors in florida my understanding is they do meet that burden many, many times in cases so i suspect a prosecutor like angela corey known as being very aggressive will likely try
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to keep him in prison. >> i want to play a little bit of what ben crump said about this proposed meeting. i guess george zimmerman said he would like to meet with trayvon martin's parents and the family shut that down. here's what ben crump said. >> it's a situation where you think about it, he never once apologized on his website, on any of the voice mails that he left with his friends, and never expressed any remorse during police interviews several times they interviewed him so we question his motive at this point saying he wants to apologize apologize. >> apologizing for something he wasn't convicted of wouldn't make sense. is it about politics setting that bail or flight risk? is he a flight risk or left in the can because it's the political thing to do and will keep people feeling much better. >> bottom line is this judge, judge lester, a seasoned judge. been on the bench for a long time.
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handled a lot of high-profile cases. my understanding is he's not a judge who will bend to pressure, political pressure or otherwise. i suspect that he will look at whether or not george zimmerman is a danger to the community, whether or not there's a flight risk there. i would like to address what ben crump said because i also have spoken to natalie jackson, one of the other martin family attorneys and i know the family. i've interviewed some of the family members. i think that what they are trying to say is she wonder why zimmerman wants to meet with them at this late date. they also are opposed to this sort of private meeting. they want sort of full disclosure, transparency. they would be happy to meet with him at a deposition where he goes over what he says happened that night. but in terms of a private meeting request the day before a bond hearing, they're certainly questioning those motives. perhaps it's a media ploy. perhaps something else. they're not interested in that closed door meeting.
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they want full disclosure and transparency is what they asked for all along. >> it's kind of like what you said is what they really want is something you can't get is an apology but details of what happened and that something that has to come out in the courtroom at the end of the day. let's get to headlines. zoraida sambolin has those for us. >> good morning, soledad. federal agents and police are digging up the floor and tearing down the drywall of a new york city apartment in a new search for etan patz missing since 1979. the 6-year-old boy was the first missing child pictured on a milk carton. a source says patz met a carpenter in a basement the day before he vanished. cadaver dogs reportedly picked up the scent of human remains in that building. new york police commissioner ray kelly joined us here on "starting point" earlier. he says this same apartment had been searched before. >> it had been searched. obviously it was looked at a long time ago, 30 years ago.
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there's new technologies involved, new chemicals, new techniques that can be used. i think law enforcement certainly fbi and nypd are hopeful to give some comfort to the parents. >> two supervisors who have been forced out of the secret service in the wake of a prostitution scandal have now been identified. this is a photo from the facebook page of 48-year-old former supervisor david randall chaney. he retired from the secret service under pressure this week. that's him standing behind sarah palin in 2008. in the comments section beneath the picture chaney writes i was really checking her out if you know what i mean. chaney is married with an adult s son. greg stokes was forced out and was head of the canine division. >> these people that are responsible have brought disgrace and it's disgusting. i haven't been briefed but i don't see how those involved in this should be able to continue
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in their work. >> it does appear that you will have more employees leaving either today or tomorrow. the exact number i don't know. i do expect more employees to be leaving the secret service. >> eight other secret service agents remain on administrative leave. an oklahoma woman is suing the union pacific railroad claiming one of their officers attacked her without cause. mary hill was crossing the tracks on her way home from work when she was accused of trespassing. the altercation that followed was caught on surveillance tape. >> get off me! i did not do that! >> i wasn't thinking at that time that this man wants to do harm to me. i wasn't thinking like that. >> you saw that. mary was arrested and charged
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with assault and battery on a police officer and trespassing. she was found not guilty. her lawsuit asks for a minimum of $10,000 in damages. it's not very cute when it's a drunk dude doing this but when it's this little guy, the crowd giggled and awed when a little boy jumped the wall and started running around outfield at u.s. cellular field in chicago yesterday afternoon. a white sox outfielder scooped him up in his arms and took him to security. we're not sure why he did it. the rules are the rules. he was booted along with the rest of his family. take a look at the smile on his face. a glove. i hope he got a baseball out of the deal as well. soledad? >> my kid could be grounded. the outfielder that scooped him up was worried he would get clocked in the head by a ball that could be very dangerous. that's weird. kid getting on the field. interesting to see exactly what
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happened there. all right. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> still ahead on "starting point," it's no longer a matter of class and color. poverty numbers are exploding. sometimes swallowing up the middle class. we're going to talk to dr. cornell west warning about a road to ruin with a new book called "the rich and the rest of us." a bird scare on a flight and ali velshi will tell us what he saw and heard from inside that plane. you're watching "starting point." (female announcer) most life insurance companies look at you and just see a policy. at aviva, we do things differently. we're bringing humanity back to life insurance. that's why only aviva rewards you with savings for getting a check-up. it's our wellness for life program,
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it's called "the rich and rest of us." nice to have you with us. this is based on that 18-city bus tour. what cities did you go to? >> started at the indian reservation. we went to akron, ohio. we went to charleston, west virginia. we wanted to make sure we hit our precious brothers and sisters, white brothers and sisters, black brothers and sisters and brown brothers and sisters and we spent time in wisconsin. it was across the board. >> was it based on race when you look at poverty or because obviously you're renowned about writing about race or is it beyond race at this point? >> it's class. it's very much class. it's a matter of unfairness and injustice and concern with each and every person. the sad thing is younger you are in america, the more likely you are to be poor. people who have been concerned about child poverty, their voice is becoming more central. that's what this text is about.
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>> you write an economic uptick or recovery is something we talk about all the time as we look at the presidential race will not solve what we witness as we travel across the country. >> we witness people suffering and struggling but through no fault of their own being caught in a system where they lost a job. lost their homes. lost their health care. significant number middle class now moving into poverty as it were. so we concluded that poverty really is the moral and spiritual issue of our time. it's a matter of what kind of country we want to be and what compassion we want to show. not a matter of throwing money but massive creation of jobs with a living wage and living in a society in which 1% of the population, in 2010, 1% of the population got 93% of the income growth. >> this is where we go our
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separate ways on our opinions here. i want to ask you this. certain poverty is something we care about from both sides of the political spectrum and all across ethnic divides. the answers is where i divide. i look at an economic system that's produced the greatest amount of wealth across the economic spectrum that this earth has ever seen. median income has skyrocketed. you want to develop a new system based on living wages, i get worried about you upsetting that growth curve. >> i appreciate that. i would want to push you on this. i'm not sure that we care as much about poverty as you say. look at our military. we can create these drone jumping bombs on person and sometimes innocent person, do you know how much money goes into that drone? when it comes to quality housing, quality education, quality jobs especially for working and poor people, you're right. for the middle class and upper middle class and well to do, we've done magnificent. >> don't you think poor today
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are vastly more wealthy than the poor of yesterday? the poor of 50 years ago? the poor who live in other continents and other countries. the system is so valuable. >> are you arguing that poor today should be grateful that at least they are less poor than poor people were in the 1960s? >> it's not about gratefulness that someone in that situation adjust their emotional state. what i suggest is the system produced a great amount of wealth. do you recognize that? do you agree this system produced a great amount of wealth? >> no doubt about that. technological innovation. levels of productivity unprecedented. when it comes to quality of life, that's a separate thing. in this text not just about poverty resource, poverty of imagination, poverty of compassion. are we more greedy now than we were in the '60s. in the '60s $35 for every $1 for the worker. today $500 for every $1. >> we disagree on what the
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solution might be. what's yours? >> i don't think i have a monopoly on the truth. i want to generate a discourse, bring all of the voices together and say we can do better than this. >> i agree. too many people are in denial about what poverty looks like. most people would be more generous if they saw a dog suffering on their front lawn, they would dip in and try to help. we don't see the suffering. >> why not? >> because -- >> you don't see it or -- >> it's invisible. it's separate from us. we really need the documentaries, books, that paint a vivid picture to take us into the lives of these people to see what it's about because otherwise we step over them. >> people are living poverty of credit. we extend this now through the student loan bureaucracy into the next generation where children are going into their 30s and 40s and won't create real careers because they are burdened up to their eyeballs
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and increase of wealth in the wrong direction can result in permanent social class of people who can't get out from under. that has to change or we're going to be in trouble as a democracy. >> it's a matter of national security. it's a state of emergency. the legacy of our dear brother martin luther king, jr., this is what we are dedicated to. we're one set of voices among others. we've got to listen to liberals, conservatives and so far. we're deep democrats. which means that we -- >> he says with a smile. a big smile. >> the book is called "the rich and the rest of us." a poverty manifesto. professor cornell west, thank you for being with us. i'll hold it like this. there you go. >> thank you so much for being part of this discussion. >> we appreciate it. still ahead on "starting point," holly robinson peat going where no actress has gone before inside a maximum security
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prison. it is the pilot for california. >> good morning. how are you? i'm carolyn. talk from your heart. we're going to give you a signal. are we ready to roll? here we go. >> hi, kids. i know that you're angry with me and you should be angry with me. the difficulties that you faced over the years, that's my fault. hold on a second. >> you can see that sadness, that guilt that they had for whatever decision they made that has impacted their children their entire lives. >> when you set these fathers down in front of that camera, they're dad. >> i can't imagine with all of the things going on in these children's lives what this means to them. on behalf of all of them, thank you so much. >> still ahead on "starting point," a cold case heating up.
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the police and fbi scouring for some new clues in the disappearance of etan patz. lisa cullen wrote the book on the case and will join us up live next. looking at the picture out of seminole county courthouse in sanford, florida. half hour away from george zimmerman's bond hearing. is he going to be release dad? will he get bail? we're live at the courthouse for you. you're watching "starting point." we're back in a moment.
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new york police commissioner ray kelly who joined us just in the last hour. >> which don't believe we had cadaver dogs in the late '70s. now they are specifically trained for a scent. dead body scent quite frankly. the fbi has them. they are well trained. we also have chemicals such as luminol that will help with black lights to find blood which we didn't have in those days. there are x-ray machines that can look through walls which we didn't have then. there's a lot of technology that we brought to bear here. >> patz disappeared on his way to a bus stop. his case sparked a national movement to rethink how parents could protect and prepare their children. lisa cohen is an emmy award winning tv producer. the only book written about the case "after etan." the eyes of the nation were
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riveted on this case. is it really that technology has gotten so much better that is what's bringing this case now to the forefront? >> well, i don't know for sure. i know this was this man that they are supposedly looking into was a suspect or at least a person that they wanted to look at very early on in the investigation. >> a person of interest. he's a person they interviewed before. >> they have interviewed him before. he was a handyman who had a workshop in the basement that they are looking at right now. >> right next door practically to where the patz live, a couple doors down? >> on the next block. it's on the route that etan walked. he had seen -- etan had seen the man the day before because he came home with a dollar bill and he was very excited. he said that it had been given to him because of work he completed. that is something that happened before. >> you have written about this
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in your book. he's not a suspect in the case. not even a person of interest in this case but this is the basement where they are looking. you keep in close contact with the patz family obviously. what's happening with them right this moment because i'm sure they're now at the center of this media storm. >> i think they are under siege. there are reporter camped out outside their door. i got a sense of what they described to me happening in the days immediately following etan's disappearance and then for years after that every time there would be a new spark of interest in the case. you know, when he first went missing, there were hundreds of policemen combing the streets searching rooftops and looking in basements and i believe they looked in this basement. they have different technology now. the case was reopened two years ago. they are starting from zero and combing through all of the files and he was somebody they were interested in back then. they've taken a fresh look at him and they now have a reason to at least go so far as to look through all of the remains in
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the basement. >> we were talking earlier about how brutal it must be to every single time there's a break or there's something that happens that focus goes back on the parents who for 33 years have not had an answer about what happened to their son that day. th they have no idea. >> on one hand it's very painful for them to have to relive details. on the other hand i know stan patz has been adamant about wanting to finally put this to rest and come to some kind of conclusion. i won't say closure but some kind of conclusion. it's been frustrating to him when the case goes cold and it feels as though no one is paying attention to it. on one hand he's grateful for the fact that the case continues to be researched and on the other hand this is what happens. >> talk to me about jose ramos. he is in prison serving time convicted pedophile but was not convicted in any way, shape or form in the etan patz case but
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he's believed to be a suspect in that case. >> there was evidence including his confession to federal authorities and nypd that he had in fact walked up to etan on the street and taken him to his apartment that day and tried to molest him and etan had protested and jose ramos told authorities that day i let him go. and so he certainly had confessed to committing crimes against etan patz but whether or not he is tied to these recent revelations, that's still to be seen. >> lisa cohen, author of "after etan." >> the family never wanted to do anything. the idea as stan says, there's never an ending to the story. it was hard to write about it. >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. another story we're following closely as well. it could be get out of jail today for george zimmerman.
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a bail hearing scheduled to begin in half an hour. trayvon martin's parents will be at that hearing. zimmerman has been behind bars since charged with killing trayvon martin and he's requested a private meeting with the martins. they declined that request though. their attorneys questioned the timing. listen. >> he never once apologized on his website, on any of the voice mails that he left with his friends and never expressed any remorse during police interviews the several times they interviewed him. so we question his motive at this time saying he wants to apologize. >> let's get right to cnn's martin savidge live outside of the courthouse in sanford, florida, this morning. good morning. what's the latest on this? what are you expecting? >> reporter: well, the anticipation certainly growing. what we're expecting is of course a bond hearing to take place. what we don't know is perhaps there is already a deal struck between the prosecutor and the defense as to some sort of bond that's already been set. the reason i say that is because there is of course some proof that will have to be provided by the prosecution if they want to
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keep george zimmerman behind bars. that means they might have to tip the hand of their case. if they don't want to do that, perhaps they'll try to come up are a reasonable bond beforehand. otherwise we'll go into this hearing and the attorney for george zimmerman is going to say he's not a risk of flight and that he's not a danger to the community and should be let out on bond and the state will argue against that. you'll have trayvon martin's parents there and george zimmerman in the same room for the first time since the life of their child was taken. still ahead on "starting point," debate over gruesome photos of soldiers in afghanistan over body parts of dead suicide bombers. does publishing those photos help the enemy? we'll look at that. george mcfly is in the house talking about his new movie called "freaky deaky." .
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a couple quick headlines for you. a big pay by a for joe paterno's estate. $5.76 million paid out by penn state including $3 million
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retirement bonus to settle paterno's contract. he left the school amid a child sex scandal but it was considered a retirement. paterno died of lung cancer in january at the age of 85. a flock of birds gets sucked into the jet engine causing an emergency landing in new york. passenger was recording the event on his ipad. a few rows back, our own ali velshi. >> i heard a lot of things. you heard a lot of things on planes. it sounded like a car had gone into that engine. there was a grinding. a remarkable grinding noise. >> my goodness. here's the good news. all passengers got out safely, soledad. >> isn't that amazing news when i was reading the note he sent out updating everybody but it was strange he was tweeting about it. >> he's always a reporter. >> me too but i would take those moments to pray and maybe not
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tweet my friends. they can hear about it on the news. all right. thanks. if you publish pictures of american soldiers posing with dismembered enemy remains, do the terrorists win? they are literally the photos the white house and pentagon didn't want people to see. "the los angeles times" published them despite pleas from defense secretary leon panetta that argued these pictures are used by the enemy to incite violence. latest blow to the u.s. image in afghanistan after the photos we've talked about in the past. "the l.a. times" says they decided to publish the photos because they say it's their duty to vigorously -- to report vigorously and impartially all aspects of the u.s. mission in afghanistan. an editorial in washington times takes issue with that decision. troop photos only help the insurgents. true or not true? >> absolutely true. >> absolutely true. >> does it help insurgents?
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the answer to that is probably. possibly to probably. that doesn't change what i think "the los angeles times" decision should be which is media outlet's purpose is to seek and expose the truth. that's what "los angles times" had to weigh. potential danger to u.s. troops but we shouldn't compromise what the media's role is and if you ask the media to compromise truth, it is a slippery slope. >> media was asked not to publish american troops killed on d-day and they did not. in the era of vietnam war it changed and it's off to the races. >> at what point does the government say don't publish this and it's uncomfortable and don't do this. isn't there supposed to be this strict line between church and state and government really and media so no one is influencing the decision about whether or not a story should be published.
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>> that line existed for a long time. it fell apart during the vietnam war. maybe we have gone too far and maybe not. "the los angeles times" did the right thing in publishing the photos and the government did the right thing complaining about it. does it help the insurgents? without question. >> i'm forgiving to "los angles times" action but we condemn people who put themselves in war and experienced conditions that we sit comfortably in this country and have not been in that situation and ask them to do some inhumane as to take another person's life and walk back across the line to civ civilization and say that photo is awful. it is awful but you have never been in that situation. you have never taken another human being's life. >> i'm shaking my head because i think that it's entirely possible to be in that trench and work with a lot of combat veterans and to grieve the things you have to do for a sense of a greater good. i know a lot of people that do have that line. i regret that there's the possibility that people out there will misinterpret the intentions of america because
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they think that these people represent how americans feel. i don't think secret service members with prostitutes, i don't think people should judge obama based on their behavior. >> or secret service agents as well. >> we have to take a break. a new movie called "freaky deaky" premieres this weekend. the actor and director are going to join us up next to talk about the film. we leave you a little missie elliott. "get your freak on." you're watching "starting point." [ male announcer ] this is the at&t network. a living, breathing intelligence helping business, do more business. in here, opportunities are created and protected.
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>> longest panning shot in the history of "forever." "freaky deaky" is the latest novel to be adapted to the screen being premiered this weekend. like other dark comedies, the story involves extortion, revenge and tons of quirky characters. >> this is the part where you fellows run. i'm going to count to two. one. two. >> screen writer and director and an actor to plays an alcoholic millionaire play boy in the film. great to have you. you guys have worked together before. >> we went to school together before. >> we worked together before but you don't remember. >> why don't you remember? >> because i was 8 or 10 or
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something. it was oklahoma. we went to the same grade school together and served in some of the musicals, which my mother did some of the choreography for which helped get tuition off the -- price off tuition. >> you liked his work and years later you work together again. >> in about 35 years i have something in mind for you. >> the characters are so interesting and dialogue is so interesting but there are huge challenges, i would imagine, when you take a novel that everybody thinks they know the story really well and bring it to the screen. >> it's very challenging. i have a little experience bringing books to the screen because i did "the grass harp." you know, he's still alive so you have to make sure you get it right. but i think you have to appreciate elmore.
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he's a national treasure. he's the greatest writer that i can think of. you also can't be so intimidated by that that you don't bring your own story telling style to it. then you're not doing anybody a favor. the most interesting films are usually made by a filmmaker that has some kind of a point of view even if the filmmaker is a shmuck. threes there's a poi at least there's a point of view. it's not a committee. i brought everything i had to it and i like how it turned out. >> i like the movie a lot. i saw it yesterday. here's my question. it's elmore leonard so it's complicated thing to lay out. you play a millionaire. a guy who comes into a lot of money which means everyone is trying to chase you down and kill you or get your hands on their money in some capacity. let me play a clip and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> you understand he knows who
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to take out of the will. what we have to do is tell him who you want to go in. >> what i used to believe was that red things were best for hangovers and a really bad hangover i chugged a bottle of ketchup. >> very strange. one of the challenges was the era that you would shoot it in. the book was set in the 1980s. here we are 20 years later and you had to rethink about when you would set the movie. >> the idea to set it in the '70s came from elmore. it was a brilliant idea as
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usual. you know, it made everything -- made my job so much easier. it's a funny year. it's fun. it's sexy. >> great wardrobe. >> yeah. >> tell me about your character. is it fun to play somebody who is really crazy and insane and nutty and wacky and strangely dressed? >> you always have to think specifically about what that person is. i play a lot of eccentric characters but you have to come from what it is the character is wanting and needing and these things are pretty clear in the film. it is in the way the script is written. it was also clear that the character was a little bit out of it so to speak. at the same time you still have to know what you need and what you want. >> are you a method actor? were you out of it? did you have to put yourself in that spot? >> drinking the entire shoot. >> people asked about method which gets generalized.
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i was raised or learned the idea of getting portions of your own psychology to match what the character is that you're playing. so you can figure out things at moments when you are out of it and let that play into the character. >> did your dad give you advice about how to make films or advice about what to avoid? did he short of shape how you go into doing these projects? any projects? >> his advice was to become a doctor. he used to tell me his stand on abortion is that he considers it a fetus until it graduates medical school. i was too dumb to listen to him. the only thing i can do is make a crappy movie. i wouldn't kill anybody. >> this is a great movie. >> can i invite everybody to come on sunday? sunday 3:30 at the school of the visual arts.
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333 west 23rd street. come at 3:00. >> long lines always. film is good. i give it two thumbs up. >> nice to have you guys. appreciate it. >> appreciate being here. thank you. >> our end point with the panel is up next. stay with us. unting. peter. i can see that you're busy... but you were gonna help us crunch the numbers for accounts receivable today. i mean i know that this is important. well, both are important. let's be clear. they are but this is important too. [ man ] the receivables. [ male announcer ] michelin knows it's better for xerox to help manage their finance processing. so they can focus on keeping the world moving. with xerox, you're ready for real business. to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ]
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welcome back, everybody. let's take you right inside live the florida courtroom where george zimmerman's bond hearing is about to take place. as you can see there are the lawyers and some of the family members for the trayvon martin family. that is in fact -- i see trayvon
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martin's mother and father as well and along with their attorney benjamin crump. zimmerman faces a second-degree murder charge in the death of their son, 17-year-old trayvon martin. this is taking place in seminole county in sanford, florida. we're expecting that zimmerman's family will be testifying by phone. we're going to of course have live coverage of the hearing and i believe that that looks like the special prosecutor in the case, angela corey has also just taken her seat. that's about to get under way. we have time for one final end point. alicia, i'll give it to you as a new guest on our show this morning. wrap it up for us. >> this show feelsike it's been about people who have no sense of decorum and posting things on the internet and taking pictures of things they shouldn't and bringing prostitutes to the room and not thinking about the fact that at some point in time they're going to have to be accountable. >> you talk about one story. >> they can spend the weekend pondering it as will we. we appreciate it. to our panel, let's get to "cnn newsroom" with carol costello


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