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who were impacted by this tragedy 37 >> you saw there on your screen the pictures we have of the 12 who died in theater nine just after midnight thursday night. the youngest, veronica moser-sullivan, was just 6 years old. they said her name at a vigil here last night, her name and the names of 11 others. >> john blunk. >> we will remember. >> a.j. boik. >> we will remember. >> jesse childress. >> we will remember. >> gordon cowden. >> we will remember. >> jessica ghawi. >> we will remember. >> john larimer. >> we will remember. >> matt mcquinn. >> we will remember. >> micayla medek. >> we will remember. >> veronica moser-sullivan. >> we will remember. >> alex sullivan. >> we will remember.
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>> alexander teves. >> we will remember. >> and rebecca wingo. >> we will remember. >> we will remember you. [ applause ] >> and we, too, will remember them tonight and in the weeks and months and years ahead. and we will speak tonight with the people who knew them and who loved them. we begin with all the latest developments, starting with what we saw occurred outside the suspect's apartment, packed with explosives rigged to kill. for that, here's randi kaye. >> reporter: members of the atf, fbi, aurora police bomb experts, even chemists, gather at the suspected shooter's apartment. they devise a plan to get inside. they call it a controlled detonation. >> first and foremost is we need to render the area safe. the most immediate threat is the trip wire. >> reporter: it's just after 8:00 a.m. and this team has already been at it for more than
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24 hours. trying to figure out a way to defuse or detonate explosives the suspect set inside. through the window of his third floor apartment, they can see a web of trip wires. and a living room full of about 30 homemade ieds strung together with firecracker shells. there are also jars of black powder and liquid accelerant. cans of gasoline too. at 10:33 a.m., progress. >> we have been successful in defeating the first threat, which includes defeating the trip wire. >> reporter: a robot driven by a bomb technician does the dangerous work humans can't. spraying water on the control box in the kitchen wired to the ieds, disabling explosives while preserving evidence. >> this apartment was designed, i say, based on everything i have seen, to kill whoever entered it. if you think we're angry, we sure as hell are angry. >> reporter: a couple hours later, just before noon, firemen shout "fire in the hole."
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and then -- at 12:08 p.m., confirmation the most serious threat is over. >> we have been successful in detonating the second triggering device. we are confident we have eliminated all major threats at this point. however, there are many hazards that remain inside this apartment. >> reporter: hazards like improvised napalm and other flammables and accelerants. designed to intensify the fire after an explosion. by 6:00 p.m., much of the dangerous material is hauled away to this open field outside the city limits and detonated. back here at the suspect's apartment, investigators try to perverse what they can as preserve whatever they can as evidence. whatever explosives and ammunition are left go to an fbi lab in quantico, virginia. they also take with them a batman poster, a batman mask and a computer, hoping it contains clues to a motive. saturday evening, residents from the evacuated buildings nearby
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are allowed to return home. many still jittery about what might have been. >> i didn't know if they were going to be okay, if that place was going to blow up while i was work. it was really scary. >> reporter: with the apartment secure, the focus turns to where the suspected shooter got all his materials. investigators say in the last 60 days, he bought more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition online. including a 100-round magazine for the assault rifle. they track a large number of deliveries to his apartment. >> we also think it begins to explain some of the materials he had in his apartment. >> reporter: police saturday also do a sweep of the university of colorado medical school where the suspect was enrolled. they have to be sure he didn't booby trap the campus. they also do a thorough search of all bio hazard and radioactive material he may have had access to and confirm it is all secure. now, investigators know the suspected shooter wanted to extend the carnage beyond the movie theater.
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and while they've learned so much more about what he alleged planned, they just don't know why. >> now, sunday, new information came out regarding what happened with one of the suspect's guns in the theater. randi, what have you learned? >> reporter: yesterday, anderson, we got some new information about these guns. as you know there were three guns. we're told by sources close to the investigation that the assault rifle actually jammed. as we know it had that extended magazine on it which carried 100 rounds of ammunition. it was capable of firing 50 to 60 rounds of ammunition per minute and so that jammed, which really, luckily, limit the number of shots that the suspect could get off. i'm told by our source the after-market extended magazines, like he was using in this case, do have a tendency to jam. thank goodness, anderson, it did. >> randi, thanks very much for that.
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one of the people who lost their lives inside that theater, alex teves. his father, tom, is with me now. his mom karen is also here in aurora. alex was mortally wounded while shielding his girlfriend from gunfire. alex died a hero. his father faced his suspect in court. he saw, in his own words, a coward. he joins us now. i'm so sorry for your loss. it sounds like such a hollow thing to say. how are you holding up? >> you've got to move forward. alex would have expected us to live. we're going to live. alex was all about life. i can talk about being -- i didn't really dress up but there's a reason for this. alex was the type of kid who brought people together. when he was in high school, for no reason whatsoever, well, alex used to wear blue jeans and a white t-shirt every day to school. d my wife, being the anal retentive woman she is. there would be 16 laundry shirts on laundry day, all hung up and ironed.
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he would wear them every day. through all of high school. halfway through senior year, they decided for no reason to have alex teves day. 400 or 500 kids came to school in blue jeans and a white t-shirt and there were girls that said i love teves and, you know, it was pretty cool. >> how did you guys meet? >> we met in school. we went to grad school together at du. we started as friends. immediately, it was more than that. >> ryan, how long have you guys been best friends? >> i've known alex for about ten years. he was my best friend but, you know, saying "friend" almost doesn't even do it justice. i mean, he really was like the other part of me. i knew alex for ten year. we went to high school together. we lived all four years in college together. we were extremely close. >> what do you think it was about him that drew you to him? >> i don't know. it's not even what drew me to him. it's about the what drew
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everybody to him. tom's story about everybody that dressed up as alex that one day. in high school. it just shows that everybody was drawn to him. and he was so funny. like, that's what i'm trying to tell everybody who doesn't know him, is he was just the most hilarious person wherever he would go. his jokes and he was extremely caring. we went to the university of arizona together. we loved going to football and basketball games together. as much as he loved that, he would take time and miss those games to mentor kids in the community who, you know, didn't have dads and were just really hurting. >> he wanted to be a counselor, he wanted to be a psychiatrist? >> he got his masters degree in psychology. he decided he was going to do more impact and go back and get his degree in physical therapy. he wanted to help people. alex was one of those kids. you know, you guys do
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investigative journalism. i would challenge you to find someone who will say a bad word about him. that's serious. i'll come back and eat crow if you find it. >> i'm obviously not going to pester you with questions about what happened that night but you feel alex did save your life? >> i don't -- i mean, with every ounce of my being, he did. i wouldn't be here without him. >> you were in the courtroom today. a lot -- i talked to a lot of family members who don't want to even look at that person. why did you want to be there? >> because it's -- i wanted to see what he looks like, first off. second off, he doesn't look like much. third off, it's not about him. it's about this poor girl who was a victim as well. it's about my son who -- this individual dressed in riot gear, whatever it is, with guns. literally blew his head off because he was protecting her. it's not about him. i just wanted to see him and i wanted to see there's people who care and aren't afraid of him. >> what is it like being here in aurora?
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>> awful. >> awful? >> it's the worst day of my life every day. alex was my first-born son. i love him with all my heart. just like i like those two. i like them, i don't really love them. you know what i mean. it's awful. and it's senseless. and if we don't stop talking about the gunman -- so somebody took a gun and went in and shot a 6-year-old girl. why are we talking about that person? i would love to see -- i'll give you a challenge. i'd like to see cnn come out with a policy that said moving forward, we're not going to talk about the gunman. what we're going to say is, a coward walked into a movie theater and started shooting people. he's apprehended. the coward's in jail. he will never see the light of day again. let's move on to the victims. never talk to him again. i'll tell you, the analysis, the analogy -- i'm not great with words right now. it's not been my best week. is if you think about it, you
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used to see people jump on the fields all the time. everybody would cover it and everybody would laugh, right? the networks said we're not going to cover that anymore. when was the last time you saw somebody jump on the field? now, that's a completely different level, right. but there's a lot of reasons. we always say why, why. and we never know why. but we got enough data. let's figure out why. i guarantee one of them is because they want to be on television. they want to be infamous. we can stop it. we can't stop it. we can only get shot. cnn, fox news, the major networks. why don't you guys all come out with a policy that says, we're not going to show this again, we realize we made a mistake, but just so this never happens again, here's what we're going to do. that would be my challenge to you and to every network. and let's see who comes out with it first. >> i also think -- i mean, a start also is not using this person's name. >> i don't know what it is. >> which we're not doing, very
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consciously. sadly, not everybody's following that policy. >> i read "usa today" all the time because i travel and they drop it at my door. i can't read it because i got to rip the guy's face out every time i look at the paper so, you know -- >> how do you -- what is the next step for you, i mean, what -- >> for me, it's to make sure this little girl gets taken care of, and she heals. it's to make sure those two little -- those little guys, they're going to kill me, they're 16 and 17, they heal, make sure my wife heals, and make sure the thousands and thousands people who are sending me e-mails because they knew alex, at least know we appreciate their prayers 37 and then i don't know. some of the -- a lot of the victims feel the same way as i. maybe it's time for us to rise up. if you guys don't do it, maybe we use the internet. we say, you show that, okay, whoever advertises next, we will never buy your product. that would do it. i think we will be pro active. look at yourselves. say, we need to take ownership. it's not just us.
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we're not the only reason. but let's fix our own house before we blame the gun lobby or whatever. i'm not saying they're right either. i'm not making any political comments. >> use the time obviously to focus on the survivors, the victims. >> exactly. it should always be on the victims. stop making them infamous. what else are they going to do? i saw the guy today. >> it's also one of those horrible things that even years from now people sometimes remember the name of the killer did -- >> give me one person who died in tucson besides gabby gifford. nobody can give me an answer. there was a girl from 9/11 who died. nobody can remember that name. but you can still remember the face of that coward. that's the only word i'm going to use on television. >> right. i appreciate you all being on and talking about alex and helping people to get to know him. because i think that's the most important thing what we're trying to do right now. >> i appreciate it. thanks. thanks for your time. >> i wish you strength. all right. thank you very much. i'm so sorry. >> thanks for your time.
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>> we -- there's a lot more to talk about. you're going to meet other family members of people whose lives were lost. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter right now. @andersoncooper. as we continue tonight from aurora, more stories of heroes who died saving others, just like alex. and the fallen and how this community is trying to come together. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ♪ ha ha!
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help his friends. >> david jackson, the stepfather of matt mcquinn who died saving his girlfriend's life. matt mcquinn was just 27 years old. we're in aurora, colorado. when we arrived on friday, people were not only dealing with the trauma of the mass shooting, some were in agony not knowing where their loved ones were 37 bodies of 10 of the 12 people killed were still inside the movie theater till late in the day on friday. notification of next of kin did not happen till late that night. as you just heard from alex's father tom, in the previous segment, there's a whole range of emotions. there's a lot of anger even at some of the coverage. about the attention that the suspect has been getting. not only seeing his picture but it's really the repeating of his name that bothers many people here. that's why we're choosing not to use it tonight. i would certainly echo a lot of what tom's -- what alex's father said. and hope other people in the
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weeks ahead try not to focus as much on the name of the suspected killer and more on those whose lives were lost. for a time, people simply did not know whether a family member or friend was dead or alive on friday. i spoke on friday night with a young man named marcus weaver. >> my friend, she's still missing, her name is rebecca wingo. there was a report on goodwill where they're looking on the internet. her friends and family, her dad has called me. they've been searching the hospitals. she's yet to be found. there was a moment where he stopped shooting. and so i picked her up and she had blood all over her face. and her body was bloodied. and she was unconscious. i tried to pick her up with my left hand and get her through the row. there were people trampling over the seating coming down. there were people in my aisle who were, like, lying down, injured, dead, crying. i mean, it was awful. i ended up tripping and then had to set her down. >> well, hours later, the sad
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news came out. rebecca wingo did die in that movie theater. so did nine others. two more died later at area hospitals. i want to tell you about some of of what we know about the 12 whose lives were lost. not far from the century theater, 12 white crosses honor those whose lives have been cut short. kevin came to mourn his friend, staff sergeant jesse childress. a 29-year-old cyber systems operator stationed at buckley air force base. >> when i think of jesse, i think of a big nerd, someone who was always humorous, someone who always made the office brighter. >> reporter: a.j. boik is being remembered for his laughter as well. only 18 years old, he'd recently graduated high school. his friends have made a facebook page in his honor, posting videos of him dancing and smiling. you can't find someone with a brighter smile and more positive outlook, one friend wrote. gordon cowden was the oldest of those who lost their lives. the 51-year-old father, devoted to his kids.
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he owned his own business and loved the outdoors. he'd taken his two teens to see batman. the kids survived. 26-year-old jonathan blunk was also a father. he had two young children. a navy vet. he died shielding his girlfriend. his ex-wife says their 4-year-old daughter now takes comfort listening to him speak on his voice mail message 37 >> johnny was the type who wants to help anybody. he always wanted to make people smile and laugh. he was very optimistic and outgoing. >> reporter: matt mcquinn also died protecting his girlfriend. they both recently moved to colorado. his friends and family want to remember his great heart and his big personality. >> i'm very proud of him. we're going to miss him. >> you're nailing it, i'm telling you.
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>> i know, i'm doing such a great job. >> reporter: jessica ghawi was a 24-year-old aspiring sports reporter. she'd moved to denver to start her career. she was the first victim to be publicly identified by her brother jordan on friday. >> her dreams cut short and how we're going to be able to sustain those dreams and push them forward. she was an asset to her family, an asset to her friends. an asset to her community. >> reporter: john larimer is also being remembered as an asset to his community. like his dad and grandfather before him. he joined his navy. he was just 27 years old. >> john had that calming personality. that everybody seemed to gravitate too. everything he did either on the job or off the job, he was a true gentleman in every way, shape and form. >> reporter: alex sullivan was also 27. he was celebrating his birthday. sunday would have also been his first anniversary with his wife casey. everyone says he was full of joy and was loved dearly by his friends and family.
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23-year-old micayla medek was known as cayla by her friends. she attended aurora college and planned to graduate in 2015. she described herself as an independent girl, just trying to get her life together while having fun. just a year older, alex teves was 24. he wanted to be a psychiatrist, and recently earned a master's degree in counselling. he's survived by two younger brothers. 32-year-old texas native rebecca wingo has two young girls. she joined the air force after high school. fluent in chinese, she served as a translator before moving to colorado. >>ed sweetest smile you've ever seen. she got prettier as she grew older. in the blink of an eye, something happens and completely changes everyone's life. forever. >> in the blink of an eye, everyone's life can change forever. little veronica moser-sullivan's life had only just begun. the youngest of all the victims,
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she was just 6 years old. a vibrant little girl. she'd just learned to swim. a swimsuit, stuffed animals and candles now surround the cross placed in veronica's memory. we're going to talk to john blunk's girlfriend coming up in a little bit. he actually gave his life shielding her, protecting her life, saving her life. she's going to join us shortly. there is some information we want to tell you about, about this suspect. while we want to focus on the victims in this hour and we are, there is some information we think is important to tell you about. he did have his first court appearance. there's also a mug shot that's been widely seen. drew griffin has reporting on that next. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] it's a golden opportunity...
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as we've been saying throughout the hour, as a lot of family members here have been
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really trying to impress upon us, we really do want to focus on the victims on this program. i feel very strongly they're the ones whose names should be remembered. not the alleged shooter's name as too often is the case in past incidents. there's some new information to tell you about the suspect. i'm not knowing his name. you already know his name. no need to repeat it. right now, he's just the suspect. oftentimes, these kind of killers want the attention. they want their names to live on in history. i think the names of those who lost their lives should live on. the suspect made his first court appearance today. his hair was dyed. he seemed to be in a days. we heard from alex's father tom, some of the victims and relatives were inside that courtroom today watching him very closely. others had no desire to be inside. had no desire to even look at him. the suspect was taken back to jail where he is being held right now in isolation. drew griffin has more on what we found out about the suspect so far. >> reporter: even though the world saw him for the first time today, shock of hair dyed red
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and orange, at times wide eyed, even dazed as he watched what was going on. there was little hard evidence as to who he was and what on earth could have motivated him. authorities over the weekend tracked the weapons, the ammunition and the protective gear he had amassed. cnn was the first to report he had purchased a protective vest and a magazine for his gun from a website called tactical gear. that was july 2nd. three weeks ago. everything, including thousands of rounds of ammunition, purchased legally, over the internet. with a few keyboard strokes. a week earlier, he had e-mailed an application to join this gun club. the lead valley range. in response, the owner phoned him, not once, but three times, to get things going. but he said he was having trouble understanding the voice message at the other end of the line. >> the answering machine was very guttural, very deep voice. deliberate, bizarre, kind of strange utterings.
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it was almost freakish. >> reporter: at the anschutz medical campus here, we did find some people who knew him. one student who worked with him for three months told cnn, quote, i worked near him, but i wasn't close to him. i don't think anyone was close to him. said another, i can't remember him uttering a single word. none of the students wanted to be identified. school officials told everyone not to talk to reporters unless cleared in advance. as for reports that dozens of packages were sent to him at the school, this was the chancellor's answer. >> u.p.s. and fedex and people like that can come into the buildings and do and make deliveries directly to the departments. they don't necessarily have to go through a shipping or receiving dock. >> reporter: as an undergrad at u.c. riverside, he received the highest academic honors. in colorado, his federal grant from the national institute of health paid him about $26,000 to do postgraduate work in a select program of neuroscience. the study of nerves as they
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affect the brain. it was an elite program. >> they recruit from a highly competitive pool of applicants from around the country and the world. five or six students each year to enter the program. >> reporter: but other than the school's official statement that he was in the process of withdrawing last month, we don't know much else about his time at school. we have confirmed his membership in an adult website, late today, a attorney for the family said she would have no comment about his relationship with his parents. he was silent, mysterious, even ghost like itselves. on july 20th, james holmes decided to no longer blend in. i talked to a survivor who had a front-row seat to the carnage inside theater nine. >> it seemed like this person was probably acting like a villain. to swing through the door, walk in, dressed all in black, black cap, gas mask, body armor. weapon wrapped around his neck.
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which i thought was fake. and i'm thinking, this person's going to do something to thrill the audience and somebody dressed as batman is going to come in, subdue this person and drag him out the theater. >> reporter: the suspect has barely uttered a word since. according to the police chief, he asked for attorneys shortly after being arrested. not expressing anything to one overriding question. why? >> drew griffin joins me now. obviously, mental state is going to be something that's going to be discussed a lot as this court case develops. there was a press conference from the university. i would have thought if there was so many problem with his mental state, it would have shown up over many months or years. but the university's saying the program he was in, he was carefully monitored. >> yeah, the news coverage got a little contentious when they were describing a program with just six students in this class, with heavily involvement, heavily monitored by faculty, staff. and admittedly, say if any student was in trouble, there would be more or less an intervention by the faculty to
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try to rescue this kid's academic career. because it is so highly unlikely anyone would withdraw. >> so he had these finals, these oral finals. and then he alerted the school he was withdrawing. >> absolutely right. which would have triggered program development manager, his faculty staff monitor, what they are callinthe family of neuroscience, to gather around this student and literally try to rescue his career. >> do we know when that would have been? >> that would have been just around june 10. june 10 is when they removed his access card from the school. >> and recently we know he had been ordering guns at that point? >> he had been ordering guns. we know just a few weeks later, he would be applying for the gun range, july 2nd is when he received his tactical gear. the school is refusing to say anything about it. and actually the chancellor said the family -- when we asked, that's not good enough for the families, the chancellor said, they'll find out the answers in court. >> drew griffin, thank you for joining me.
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joining me now is jeffrey tuben, mark geragos and mary ellen o'toole author of "dangerous instincts, how good feelings betray us." appreciate you being on. jeffrey, watch the suspect in court today it would be easier to think maybe he's mentally ill or wants to be perceived as mentally ill. in terms insanity, legally speaking, that's -- what is considered insane? >> well, you know, this is an issue that the legal system has struggled with literally for centuries. the best way i can define it is if you don't know what you're doing. if you think you are chopping down a tree when you are killing someone, then you are legally insane. if you know you are killing someone, even if it's for bizarre, horrible, inexplicable reasons, then you're not insane. so the fact that this suspect purchased all these weapons, purchased all these -- all this ammunition, that would certainly
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argue against a finding of insanity, because it suggests he knew what he was doing at least in terms of buying guns to shoot them. >> mark, in terms of what kind of punishment he might face, what about -- the death penalty's been discussed. what's the history of that in this state? is that likely? >> well, colorado is a death penalty state but i think there's only been one person executed in the last 25 years. but if you're ever going to have anybody who's a candidate for the death penalty this would seem to be the poster child. the problem is that i don't know that you ever get to a trial anytime soon. this -- you'll remember with the gabby giffords shooting, that person is not competent. that person is not -- has not stood trial yet. it could be a while yet before this person ever stands trial. one of the interesting things, at least it's being reported that one of the first things he did was ask for a lawyer. that tends to argue for competency.
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that he knows or has some wherewithal to know what the proceedings are or that he's facing proceedings such that he would need a lawyer. but i think we're a ways off before there's going to be any kind of a proceeding or a trial in this matter. >> mary ellen, in your past career as a profiler, you've interviewed a lot of people who have engaged in activities like what happened. a lot of shooters. is it a myth that somebody who does something so extremely violent must be insane? >> it is a myth. it's actually one of three myths that i'm hearing over and over here as regards to this case. and the first one is that someone who engages in such extreme violence cannot also be extremely intelligent. that's one myth. myth number two is that someone who engages in this kind of extreme violence has to be quote/unquote crazy. and then the third myth that i'm
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hearing is that someone who engages in this kind of extreme violence must come from an obviously dysfunctional family. so, again, those are three myths that i think are being put out there and they're simply not my experience in working these kinds of cases. >> you know, i keep thinking about something that alex's father tom said earlier on this program, mary ellen, about often times these people want attention. is that, in your experience, in talking with mass killers, that they like having that attention? >> it is my experience that wanting notoriety, wanting attention, is one of their motives. and it can be a very strong motive depending on where they are in the planning stage. it's also my experience there never is just one motive. and motives evolve over time. as the individual becomes more involved in the planning and the thinking about it and how they're going to carry it out, their motives can change, and one can replace the other.
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but notoriety and sensationalism and being given credit for this kind of a crime can be a very strong motivator. >> mark, as a defense attorney, what are the steps you would go through now? and in trying to i guess obviously it's the defense attorney's job to try to prevent a death penalty. >> well, that's exactly right. and i would be shocked if the public defender there or the court appointed counsel hasn't already consulted with mental health experts. that's the very first thing you're going to do. you're going to take a look at what is the mental state. you're going to try to come up with whether or not this person -- you know, there's two different questions. one is was the person -- what was the mental state at the time of the crime. and then the second question is, is this person sane or able to help with the defense? are they competent right now? so those are the two issues that they're struggling with right now. so those are the two issues they're struggling with right now. they're not even beginning, i
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can't imagine to look at the fak tult underpinnings of this case. that's not even on the radar yet. >> anderson, i would add, the one thing the defense is going to want to do is delay. delay, delay, delay. because people are so angry. right now that the more time, the better for the defense. and the system is set up so they can delay. >> jeff toobin, appreciate it mark geragos, as well. mary ellen o'toole. appreciate your expertise. so many questions remain. in the hail of bullets inside that theater, heroes emerged. john blunk is one of them. he put his own safety second and it cost him his life. he died while shielding his girlfriend from the gunfire. we'll talk to her in just a moment. for your attention. so we invented a warning you can feel. introducing the all-new cadillac xts. available with a patented safety alert seat. when there's danger you might not see, you're warned by a pulse in the seat. it's technology you won't find in a mercedes e-class.
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> welcome back to our continuing coverage live from aurora, colorado. as we said, we've been trying to tell you the stories of many of the victims from friday's killing as possible. 26-year-old john blunk. we want you to know about him. a navy veteran. father of two. he was killed shielding his
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girlfriend, jansen young from the gunfire. jansen joins me now. it's a dumb question but how are you holding up? how are you getting through? >> i'm doing okay. it's traumatic. it's been a traumatic experience. but today's better than yesterday. and hopefully the worst isn't yet to come. >> what do you want people to know about john? >> that he is a hero. and he was a hero before this. before i met him. all he wanted to do was serve his country. and, you know, help people in need. he used to say that he was born to serve his country. he just really is. he's a true hero. >> service is something that was really important to him? >> oh, yeah, definitely. >> that's why he joined the navy? >> uh-huh. >> i'm not going to pepper you for details of what happened obviously because i don't want you to relive it because i'm sure you've been reliving it nonstop. but he shielded you.
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>> yes, he laid up against me and had the other side of my body against the concrete seating. yeah, i was pretty much boxed in due to john. and he really told me, you know, what to do and guided me in that situation. and saved my life. >> you've obviously never been in a situation like this. hardly anybody has. i mean, what -- what do you want people to know about what you and the other family members are going through now? what should people know, keep in their minds? >> they just have to keep them close, you know, and remember the great things they've done. remember the things that are special. and it helps to talk to people that love you and hugs help. >> does it help -- i lost a brother in very different circumstances many years ago. i always find it hard to talk about him or remember how he lived his life as opposed to how he lost his life. do you find it helps to talk about john? >> to people that i'm close
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with, i find it, like, really helpful. when i get to talk about, you know, that situation and things, yeah, i find it helpful. and -- but, you know, i guess everybody's a little different. >> thank you very much for talking with us. and i can't imagine how difficult it is. i know there are many difficult days ahead. i wish you peace. >> thank you, thank you so much. >> thanks, appreciate you being with us. we will remember john. and all the others. and the family members who have been left behind. next.
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also yesterday thousands gathered for a prayer vigil here. here are some of the sights and the sounds of that vigil as we honor the victims and their families. ♪ amazing grace >> tonight, we come together to pray and to be with one another. some of us are survivors. family members. or friends of those who have suffered through this senseless, and evil act of violence. >> for those who are feeling the ripple effects, their families and friends, may you comfort them, may you walk with them in the days ahead, and may they continue to know that they have received an outpouring of new friends in this community, of new friends in this nation. >> we thank you, that you have not shrunk back from this challenge.
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and that you with great skill and great dare ran into the building, ran into places, willing to lay down your life for others. ♪ i once was lost >> we weep because we have hope that tomorrow is going to be brighter. you are aurora. we are aurora. we grieve together. >> july 20th should never be about remembering this event or the killer. it should be about remembering those victims. john blunk. we will remember. a.j. boik. >> we will remember. >> jesse childress. >> we will remember. >> gordon cowden. >> we will remember. >> jessica ghawi. >> we will remember.
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>> john larimer. >> we will remember. >> matt mcquinn. >> we will remember. >> micayla medek. >> we will remember. >> veronica moser-sullivan. >> we will remember. >> alex sullivan. >> we will remember. >> alexander teves. >> we will remember. >> and rebecca wingo. >> we will remember. ♪ was blind ♪ but now i see >> we will remember. we'll be right back. ns. i upgraded to the new sprint direct connect. so i can get three times the coverage. [ chirp ] [ manager 2 ] it's like working in a giant sandbox with all these huge toys. and with the fastest push-to-talk... i can keep track of them all. [ chirp ] [ chirp ] [ male announcer ] upgrade to the new "done." with access to the fastest push-to-talk and three times the coverage. now when you buy one
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thanks for joining us on our coverage. that does it for us, on this edition of 360, live from aurora, colorado. hello, everyone. i'm don lemon in aurora, colorado, in for erin burnett tonight who is on assignment in africa. "outfront" tonight, our first glimpse of a suspected mass murderer, james holmes. the man suspected of killing 12 people and wounding 58 others in a packed movie theater on friday appeared in court today, with bright red hair and dramatic facial expressions, he looked like he was out of it at times. he looked blankly up and down and staring into space at times. and it looked like a man who was out of it. for the first time, we're hearing about this neuroscience student. we're about to hear his voice for the first time. this is holmes speaking at a science camp in san diego from 2006. he's 18 years old in this video obtained by abc news. and here he talks about a shared interest with a mentor.
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>> he also studied subject ift experience, which is what take place inside the mind as opposed to the external world. i'm carrying on his work in subjective experience. >> and in jail a just-released inmate told the new york daily news he saw holmes spitting at guards. tonight he's in suicide watch and in solitary confinement. and we heard from the suspect's families. their lawyer saying they did not want to address their relationship with their son but they do stand by him. investigators are scouring holmes' apartment after a robot detonated an mroet explosive over the weekend. while the evidence may seem overwhelming and there are no other suspects in this case that we know of, the d.a. says she's not taking anything for granted. >> i would say there's no such thing as a slam dunk case. it is a case where we will -- we're still looking at