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then on july 28th, a week before the shooting, he walked into this gun store and bought a 9 millimeter semiautomatic handgun like this one. >> the purchase was done legally. the -- he filled out the state and federal paperwork, he passed the background check. >> reporter: six days later, authorities say he used that gun to shoot nine people, six of whom died. what still isn't clear to investigators is why. page's girlfriend was questioned the day of the shootings, but investigators say she offered no insight into page's motive. neighbors say she told them she hadn't talked to page since he moved out and he had even shut down his e-mail account. there were people inside, but no answer when we went to page's girlfriend's apartment. we're learning more about page's past and his apparent association with white supremacists. the owner of this harley-davidson shop in fayetteville, north carolina said he found an application belonging to page to join the ku
klux clan after he fired page in 2004 for yelling at female employees. he also says page became angry when he came back later to get the application and was told it was destroyed. >> we escorted him to the car on his final day, and i guess there was some paperwork he thought he had left on his desk, and he did. it was an application for the kkk. and i got that application and destroyed it. >> reporter: page grew up and went to high school in littleton, colorado. his grandmother and stepmother still live in denver. >> what has changed him, i have no idea. and obviously, we're never going to know. >> ted, pretty tragic there, but also that shocking revelation about his application for the ku klux klan. have investigators found more information from page, notes he may have left or anything like that? >> reporter: well, no big ah-ha discovery, according to investigators. there was no note left, no --
nothing on a computer. and that's really what is perplexing here. in fact, the police chief here this evening told me that this is one of those situations where they may never know his true motive. >> one thing i know you found a lot more about, though, ted, his military record. and a lot of people are talking about that having been a crucial part of his life, perhaps, where he may have found out about some of these groups he then joined. what have you found out about his military record? >> reporter: well, he was discharged for misconduct, basically, over an incident where he was drunk on active duty, and he went awol. and when he came to his discharge, he was told that he would not be eligible to re-enlist in the army. they told him they had had enough of him and sent him on his way. >> ted rowlands, thank you very much, reporting there oak creek tonight. there are hard numbers on the rise of hate in america and we want to share them with you. according to the southern poverty law center, hate groups have increased 69% since the year 2000. when we use the word hate, it means a group or movement that
practices hate or hostility or violence, explicitly, towards another race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. take a look at this map. as you can see, there are hate groups in almost every state in this country, 84 in california alone. 65 in georgia, florida, new jersey and texas rounds out the top five states with hate groups. the numbers are stunning when you look at it. looking at it this particular way. the question is what is fueling this hate? jan berger has been tracking these groups, is a contributor to foreign policy magazine. buy rick is back with us, the director of the intelligence project at the southern poverty law center. good to see both of you. i appreciate you taking the time. jan, i want to start with you wade page, one of things we know about him and as ted has been reporting, a leader of a hard core white supremacist rock band called end apathy, hammer skins, and i wanted to read something for our viewers. and the mantra the group lives by, according to its website, this is available for all of us to see, is, quote, we must
secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. how well-known was wade page among the white power movement? >> well, the band was pretty well traveled. they did gigs in baltimore, north carolina and in florida. the florida engagement was a particularly interesting one, because they performed at an event that was -- hammerskin event connected to the american front organization, that was a racial paramilitary group planning to start a race war. there were a number of arrests in may. and at the event, there was at least one informant law enforcement source attending the event and there may have been undercover fbi agents and local law enforcement, as well. >> so what are you saying? you're saying an event as recently as this may where wade page was, there could have been an informant to local law enforcement, to the fbi, to whom? to someone who would have seen him there? >> the event was in 2011. the arrests of the american front people were in may of
2012. and an informant reported seeing the man there, and in a redacted report. i wasn't able to read everything in the report. but he was definitely in a room with law enforcement source and there may have been other records that came out of that. hammerskins were involved with this american front group. so while we're talking about this guy, you know, as somebody who may have acted alone, he was also connected to a pretty wide variety of groups that are considered to be very dangerous. >> yes. and heidi, i guess no shows either the difficulty of connecting a person to a potential act or it could have been a failure. obviously, the fbi has said to cnn today they didn't start a formal investigation, whether they had seen wade page at any of these events or not, and heidi you said you had been tracking wade page for more than a decade. i'm curious how many people in general are you tracking. how many people do you track for these extended periods of time? >> well, there's a shocking
number, actually, of individuals with connections to the hate movement we have captured information on. more than 20,000 by now. and wade page wasn't so rare. there's probably hundreds, several hundred skinheads that look like him or are tattooed up like him and have connections to groups like this. it may be in the thousands. so although he looks very, very scary to the average american, within this world, he's one of many. >> wow. so you're saying there are thousands of people sending the red flags that wade page has been sending to you. i know about a dozen years you tracked him. >> yeah, we have been following him since 2000, which is when he started hanging out with neo-nazis and ended up on the music scene. he attended a thing called hammer fest put on by this hammerskin nation in 2000 and then went on to form his own band, play in other bands and make connections with a whole host of groups. the hammer skins, the american front, as your other guest said. so he was very active in the skinhead movement for a long
time. >> jan, we used to hear -- i guess maybe this is anecdotal, but it feels like we used to hear more about these white supremacist groups, about big rallies and it doesn't feel like we hear that anymore. but the statistics shows that the number of groups has been rising. why does it appear there's so much more under the radar now? >> the movement has become very splintered. in the '90s when this was really a very big deal, there was not only more larger organizations, some of which have been put out of business by the law center, there were bigger organizations. they had larger meetings. and what we have seen now are a host of smaller organizations when they get together, it's usually including 30 or 40. it's much more splintered movement. and they have also disconnected from some other anti-government extremists they used to be more closely aligned with. for instance, the patriot movement has really taken steps toward renouncing racism. it's not a totally clean break, but a lot of patriot groups
which are anti-government oriented used to be friendly with these organized racist groups and not so much anymore. >> heidi and jan, thank you very much. still "outfront," there is a new super pac attack ad and this is an attack ad like we have never seen before. it links mitt romney to a woman's death. this is a new low? plus, a british bank tells the u.s. to go blank itself over iran. and the man accused of shooting gabby giffords makes a plea deal. are all the victims satisfied? this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination...
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our second story "outfront," nasty. the political attack ads keep coming and coming, and they are nasty. this time an ad from a super pac supporting president obama blaming mitt romney for a woman dying of cancer. >> when mitt romney closed the plan, i lost my health care. and my family lost their health care. and a short time after that, my wife became ill.
>> and she passed away in 2006. five years after the plant closed. 13 years after being acquired the plant and as cnn has learned during a time when her primary insurer was her employer, not her husband's. so does this ad cross the line? michael walden is a former speech writer for bill clinton. david frum is for george w. bush and john avalon is here. great to have you. first of all, the facts don't seem to indicate this is true. at the same time, a horrific allegation. obviously, we left the -- let's lay out for people here the time line. bain capital buys this company, gst steel in 1993. it goes bankrupt in 2001. in 2006, she passes away from cancer. again, when her employer was her health care provider, not her husband's. what's your reaction to this ad? >> well, it's horrible. and it would be horrible, even if it were not so factually wrong. because in a capitalist economy,
plants close all of the time. some bad -- some people go on to discover new meaning in their lives and acquire tremendous success and the people who laid them off don't deserve the credit for the fact they discovered new meaning in their lives. and you're not responsible for every unforseeable consequence for every business decision you make. and it is so brutal, it makes you wonder what the obama people will be doing in october if this is what they're doing in august. let me add one more thought, and this is in no way to excuse what the people did, which is outrageous. >> the ones who did the ad. the name of the super pac. >> let's not forget, mitt romney is the first governor in america to introduce a universal health coverage program. that is what -- that is his best answer to this. which he is the person to put in place conditions where this wouldn't happen anymore when people lose their jobs. why won't he talk about it? >> all right, i see that point, but to get there, you have to get through a really, really nasty ad that is -- >> yeah. and -- >> -- impossible to justify, right?
>> look, i think it's important to point out, this ad doesn't accuse mitt romney of giving the woman cancer, obviously. but there is -- they're trying to make a linkage. is it way outside the line? absolutely. is it ugly? absolutely. and this is what super pacs do. a long time ago, we talked about how there was going to be a tsunami of sleaze on the airwaves, because of these super pacs. >> this super pac, though -- this super pac is run by bill burton, deputy press secretary under barack obama, and they don't talk about things which would be illegal and bill burton knows barack obama really well and i don't know if he would do this if he thought barack obama thought it would be vile. it's part of the legal fiction we've seen. it's got to be separate always a wink and a nod. but they say we can go further than the campaign can, we can be more aggressive. but that aggressiveness is always code for ugly. and this is the overwhelming ugliness of super pac ads. they're never positive. they're always negative. and this ad, in addition to being incredibly ugly doesn't add up.
>> bill burton, who is the senior strategist, the man who used to be the deputy press secretary for the president said in response, quote, we're illustrating how long it took for communities to recovery. from the closing of these businesses. mitt romney has had an enduring impact on the lives of men and women and that has been devastating. a lot of people have lost their jobs while barack obama has been president, people who work in government. i guess you could blame him for their problems. >> well, i think, look, the facts that you just said raise important questions. and this was a very tough ad, a ratcheting up or down, as you want to look at it. and john is exactly right. if you don't like this, get used to it. this is the world of campaign finance, that the supreme court has given us with the citizens united decision and other cases. this is the world where super pacs run these ads, and 86% of the ads run in this campaign by super pacs supposedly independent, are negative. it is the most visible manifestation of a very
disparate and depressing campaign where neither side -- has really told the country what it wants to do in the next four years with policy. >> because you put that stat out there, 86% of super pac ads. but if you look at the past week, 94% of the ads run have been negative. sponsored by anybody. 5% positive. is that the worst it's perhaps ever been? >> without a doubt. and part of it is that we think of the campaign as starting -- after labor day as some people have said, the campaign started a long time ago. we're near the home stretch. but this is a race where people use the negative ads, the public say they don't like it, but they actually work. but it's very unfortunate, it can't help public confidence in government and you've got to do some of it, but i would like to hear in a positive way from the candidates what they want to do. >> quick and final word from john, they do work. highly negative ratings for both candidates go up. >> this is a race to the bottom above campaigns, especially the
obama camp wants to make mitt romney an unacceptable alternative. it does alienate some independent voters, you see some independents disgusted. what's the positive alternative? the answer is there isn't one in this campaign. >> time for a third party. thanks to all three. you can always have hope. next, this quote. "you bleeping americans, who are you to tell us, the rest of the world, what to do?" who said it and why is next. and be careful what you like on facebook. someone just got fired for that. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about market volatility. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 in times like these, it can be tough to know which ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 way the wind is blowing. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 at charles schwab, we're ready with objective insights about ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 the present market and economic conditions. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 and can help turn those insights into ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 a plan of action that's right for you. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 so don't let the current situation take you off course. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550 talk to chuck. ttd#: 1-800-345-2550
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our third story "outfront," you bleeping americans, who are you to tell us the rest of the world that we're not going to deal with iranians? those are the words of an executive from british bank standard chartered, quoted in a report by the new york state department of financial services. the state accuses the bank of using its new york branch to hide transactions from regulators, saying that it
skeemd with iran to funnel at least $250 billion over a decade to the iranian government. the bank denies the allegations, but these are serious, serious charges. the fbi and the treasury department are investigating. "outfront" tonight, foreign affairs reporter elise labott. this is a quote out there. obviously we're in the midst of the toughest sanctions the u.s. has put on iran, but it needs the rest of the world to get on board. how does this undermine the sanctions effort? >> reporter: erin, it really undermines this. this is one of the most effective sanctions campaign in years. the u.s. has really squeezed iran's access to financial transactions, really bringing it to its knees, almost shutting down the iranian central bank. in recent months, it's instituted having iran -- countries that are using iran's oil to reduce their exports or they would face u.n. sanctions. they have been working with the eu on oil embargo. and so there are already these natural loopholes in sanctions for legitimate transactions like
food and medicine. but what the u.s. really wants to do is close up these illegal loopholes. just last week, the u.s. slapped sanctions on a chinese bank for doing these type of transactions. so it's a real problem for u.s. officials. >> it's pretty incredible. elise, thank you very much. elise has done a lot of reporting on this. we also have reporting on u.s. sanctions in iran that can be found in my column in this month's "fortune" magazine. there are other loopholes. and the u.s. has other options, go ahead and do business with iran but you can't do business with u.s. we have that option but we don't use it. check it out in our blog, cnn.com/"outfront." up next, how an inferior ied detection system can be putting the lives of american soldiers at risk. there is a better system. and a plea deal spares the life of a gunman who killed six people and injured then congresswoman gabby giffords. does it add up for the victims and their families? the sky befo,
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on our reporting from the front lines. first, the prosecution is asking for a three-year sentence in the trial of a russian punk band charged with hooliganism. three members of the all-girl band, pussy riot, were arrested after performing an anti-putin song in a moscow cathedral. annis rocksburg tells "outfront" that putin is using the case as a warning to other protesters and dissenters. the government accountability office has a new report that says the u.s. government should reassess the standards it uses to determine radiation exposure for mobile phones. this is a topic everyone is curious about. it says the standards set by the fcc don't reflect the latest research.
the fcc says the u.s. has among the most conservative standards in the world. the agency added that as part of their most recent review of the standards that began just this summer, they're looking at federal health agency reports to try to guide their final assessment. nasa has released the first color photos taken by its rover curiosity, which successfully landed on mars' surface monday. so the photo -- here's the surface of mars. it shows a dusty desert in the northern rim of the gayle crater. sort of looks like southern tunisia. it was caught by curiosity's robotic arm. which is still stoeed. the crater's rim is 12 and a half miles away from the rover. there was a transparent dust shield covering the lens which is why the picture was murky. oil prices rose $1.47 today so now they're $93.67. we haven't been there since may. analysts say few things are causing prices to go up. hope there is an economic stimulus and people feel better and fill up their cars more.
there is a storm in the gulf of mexico that could hurt supply. and, of course, there is always the problems going on with iran in the middle east. today, the energy information at administration says there's no relief in sight. oil prices aren't going to go down for the rest of the year, they are going to stay where they are and that's been hurting gas prices. the average price for a gallon of gas is up 30 cents in the past five weeks. it has been 369 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? well, the s&p, by the way, is standing by that downgrade and gave another warning today to greece, cutting its outlook to negative which means they could get downgraded again soon. greece, of course, is already rated at the bottom of the barrel at a ccc. we stopped paying attention to greece but it still could cause another global crisis. and our fourth story tonight. an "outfront" investigation. is the army withholding information that could protect american soldiers in afghanistan from deadly roadside bombs? congress and the army tonight investigating whether data was
manipulated in a report about roadside bomb detectors. data that made one detection system look favorable, despite what turned out to be a relative lack of reliability. pentagon correspondent chris lawrence has the story. >> reporter: ieds have killed more americans in afghanistan than any single weapon. so you would think the army would buy the very best software to predict where roadside bombs are buried. but congress is investigating whether the army manipulated information to buy an inferior detection system over one the troops wanted. >> we're going to find out that pentagon civilian bureaucrats have stopped the ground combat commanders from getting software they have asked for. that's what i think is going to happen. >> reporter: cnn obtained documents that showed troops praising a privately developed system called palantir shown in this video. but before that report was passed up the chain of command,
the army's testing command ordered it destroyed, replaced by a report that removed favorable references to palantir. the army has spent well over $2 billion on its own system. the distributed common ground system, or dcgs. >> you don't want to put good money after bad. >> reporter: retired general spidermark says if report a says palantir does a good job and report b says we're sticking with dcgs, there's a problem. >> you've got to try to figure out why is there this great disparity. and clearly, i would look at the program office that's responsible for desigs and say okay, what gives, guys? are you changing data, are you trying to cook the books? >> reporter: cnn has confirmed, there is a recent memo from the army's own chief tester who evaluated dgcs. his investigation found the software not effective or suitable. in its defense, the army compares the system to our
smartphones in the way we constantly update apps to meet the latest needs. in a statement to cnn, a spokesman says, quote, many of these limitations were already identified by the army, and software updates have been implemented to address the concerns. the version identified in this test is undergoing improvement. >> all right, chris joins me now from the pentagon. chris, obviously the allegations here are a huge deal. this is the lives of american soldiers that were put at risk and perhaps lost if this is true. how does the army explain it? >> yeah, that's right, erin. basically, even though you're talking about some of these ied deaths going down at times, you're still talking well over 250 troops killed last year, well over 350 killed the year before. so as for why the army may have scrapped this first report, an army official claims that they were just trying to make it, a.,
easier to read and correct some of the mistakes in it, not try to shortchange palantir. >> i know they try to give their side of the story, but it still seems unclear. why would they favor the system even though it is more expensive and less reliable? >> yeah, basically, the -- what the army is saying is that it would take a lot to switch systems. it's very, very expensive. and the fact that these systems do more than just detect ieds. they claim that their original system, this dcgs, has more of a broader capability than the palantir does at this time. but they've got to answer to congress by next week, so we should be getting more answers very, very soon. >> certainly troubling allegations. thanks very much to chris lawrence as we'll keep covering that store for "outfront." the man who killed six
people and injured 13, including congresswoman gabrielle giffords, now admits he's guilty. i know you had a chance to see jared loughner and see his face, reaction, walking, what did he do? >> reporter: well, i can tell you that when he walked into the courtroom, he certainly looked mentally unwell. of but this is an improvement from the last public appearances he had had. the first time he had a hearing, he looked down and smiled as the charges were read against him. in another appearance in court, he actually had to be subdued by his guards, because he had an outburst. this time he appeared -- even though he didn't look quite together in his expressions, he certainly looked like he understood everything that was happening. he was able to respond to the questions from his judges. his mother was seated right behind me as this was going on and she cried as he repeated 19 times "i plead guilty."
it was a very full courtroom. in there were victims and what today's plea deal does is prevents them from having to go through a long and painful trial. here's what one woman told us. >> this is the system doing its best. it's not a perfect solution. the perfect solution is one that we can't have. what we want is not available to us. >> reporter: the woman who you just heard there, she is the one who brought christina taylor green to the congress on your corner event 18 months ago. christina green, just 9 years old, the youngest of the six victims who died, erin. >> and i know obviously in exchange for his guilty plea, he gets life in prison and doesn't get the death penalty. i know that a lot of people may have mixed feelings about that, among the victims. and i know that some of them right now, as you have been reporting, may be going through a city council meeting. can you tell us more about what that is? >> reporter: what they're doing right now as we speak, they're
gathering and getting together to go to the tucson city council meeting. what the tucson city council is it going to do is pass a resolution which supports something called the fix gun checks act. it beefs up background checks for every single gun sale and also improves the reporting of mental health records. here's what one of the tucson shooting victims also told us about that. >> one of those ways, i believe, that we can make some good come out of this is to begin some common sense discussion about who should bear arms. what hands should firearms go into? and we can all agree that the seriously mentally ill and those with criminal records should not be holding a gun. >> reporter: and she's very calm as she is speaking there. but i can tell you, from having spoken to some of these victims, there is a frustration on their part that they feel that the federal government, specifically the two presidential candidates, as well as members of congress, are simply letting people down
by not having adequate gun laws. erin? >> and a final question. i know attorney general holder decided to not go for the death penalty in exchange for this plea. are there -- i know you spent a lot of time with victims and their families. are there people who wish that he had, that they could have ended up getting that outcome, even though obviously that would expose them to maybe it not happening at all, just because it would go through the whole court and jury system? >> reporter: overwhelmingly, what everyone has been saying who we have spoken to says this is the best outcome for everyone involved, because there were just risks that it could have gone the other way. and what they're happy with is simply not having to put this community through something so painful. >> all right. thank you very much. still "outfront," the facebook like that got one man fired, and the split among mormons over mitt. it's the priceline negotiator. >>what? >>sorry. he wants you to know about priceline's new express deals.
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button constitute free speech? that's what a former police officer in virginia is arguing. daniel ray carter was a deputy sheriff in hamton, virginia and he says he was fired for liking a post, jim adams for hampton sheriff. the problem, he was liking the campaign for the guy that was running against his boss. so shortly after his boss, bj roberts, was reelected, carter got fired. carter sued in federal court but lost. he said you click the like button, that is not enough to qualify for free speech. under the first amendment. it doesn't involve a statement of how you feel. carter is appealing the ruling and now with some help from facebook which in a brief supporting carter in the appeal says a like in this case is the 21st century equivalent of a front yard campaign sign. the aclu compared it to wearing an "i like ike" button, which brings me to the number tonight, 53. that's how many years ago df pickart was fired for liking ike.
it was a headline december 15th, 1958 edition of the "tri city herald." pickart worked for wayne morse of oregon who was a democrat. he claimed he was fired for being a republican and wearing a pin and saying he liked dwight eisenhower. more said he fired pickart for not being loyal. the direct quote was he had not been loyal to my friendship. and you know what? there's something to that. here's to show that loyalty counts. and now to tonight's outer circle where we reach out to sources around the world. in syria where the u.n. pulled its monitors from the city of aleppo, a battle of control for the city has been raging for days. life is increasingly difficult for people who are left behind. mohammed jamjoom is following the story. i asked him about the deteriorating conditions. >> reporter: according to activists, the situation is terrible. it is dire, and it is only getting worse. we're hearing about a constant pounding by shelling going on in
several neighborhoods aleppo. the regime is using war planes to shell a lot of neighborhoods in aleppo to drive out the syrian rebels. we're also hearing about a humanitarian crisis in aleppo that has been worsening. we've heard for days now there are food shortages, bread shortages, fuel shortages. now we're hearing today in certain neighborhoods there aren't enough medical supplies or doctors to adequately treat the wounded. they're saying it's just getting worse. also today, we had news that the 24 u.n. observers that were in aleppo have been pulled out because the situation there has worsened so much. erin? >> thanks to mohamed. and now to grenada, which is relishing its first-ever olympic medal after 19-year-old james
won gold in the 400 meter monday. becky anderson is covering the games in london and i asked her how this very small country you may not have heard of is celebrating this big deal. >> erin, it will be a long time before grenada has another moment to savor like this. local boy karani james sprinting to victory in the men's 400 meters olympic final here in london. and the celebrations were, understandably, ecstatic. it was the first olympic medal ever for the small caribbean island of just 100,000 people and the prime minister marking it a half-day holiday and giving the entire island the afternoon off. one of those olympic moments to remember. erin? >> i just love those pictures. thanks to becky. reid versus romney. sort of has a ring to it. senate majority leader, harry reid, in case you haven't been paying attention lately. how does he know that? he says he does not know it but he's got a good source.
the two men have been going at each other's throats with mitt romney responding put up or shut up. they have one thing in common, the mormon church. thanks mckay for coming in. they both were mormon and i'm curious. every religious group has people on both sides of the aisle. but why is mormon playing a role in this fight? >> it's interesting because they come from very different circles of mormonism. mitt romney was born in the church, harry reid is a convert. but they share this community of wealthy, powerful, well appointed mormons that make the connection interesting as they duke it out over the financing the mitt romney. >> there's a perception of people saying within the mormon church, there's very many successful businessmen and power players in this country who are
of the mormon faith and it's still a relatively smaller reledgeon than other religions. >> the finance world that mitt romney comes from in boston is heavily infused with mormons. harvard business school has plenty of mormons on the faculty and bain capital. when harry reid says he has a source, we don't know if it's true, but it's possible there are a mormon democrat from the bain error. mormons are much more conservative than the regular population. >> when he ran, when mitt romney
ran for senate in 1994, his for ray into politics, there was a small but very vocal group called mormons against romney that would show up at his events and heckle him and leak into "the boston globe." they would ask him questions about his record and about his position on abortion. so there's been this group of liberal mormons that's dogged him throughout his political career. >> he's obviously powerful in the mormon community and the church. does he have enemies in the church, in the business community that people you know or have heard of that would have a bone to pick? >> yeah. the like i said the massachusetts mormon community is probably one of the most liberal in the country. it's still fairly conservative. >> it is for massachusetts. >> right. >> and it's certainly not hard to believe that there would be people who would be in reid's
rolodex who would say we have an interesting bit of gossip for you. if there is something like this, it stands to reason that it comes from a mormon. >> as a reporter, who also happening -- happens to be a mormon, should reid put out his sources? >> absolutely. if he wants romney to be transparent, reid should be transpartner. this is all a parlor game of the it's a matter of trying to control the conversation. >> we asked our team to weigh in on who's winning right now. mitt or harry. 63% said harry reid which sort of surprised me because he came out and said i have a source telling me some pretty incredible accusation. what do you think? how did you vote and why? >> i said harry reid was winning as well. it's one of these sad situations in politics where the truth is kind of besides the point. when you're talking about who's winning and losing, harry reid
has kept it in the headlines and that's what he wanted to do and every day we talk about it mitt romney is losing. >> always good to see you. next a happy birthday to a true original. because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter.
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we'd like to wish a very happy birthday to a true original. today is garrison keillr's 70th birthday. the author, radio host and human rift has entertained a loyal following for 43 years. >> breakfast in that cold, cold house in the morning. my father believed if you couldn't see your breath, you were wasting fuel. >> now, i grew up listening to his weekly radio show called "the prairie home companion." my dad would put it on on saturday nights. i love it now. makes for a cozy winter night. the show takes place in the supposedly fictional town which goes by lake wobogon. it's rooted in minnesota's background and pokes a lot of fun at lutherans. his tales can also be rather poignant. like in some of his stories about love between the no longer young. and he finds some really great music acts. roseanne cash was on recently. that's my favorite part of the show.
one reason i decided i liked him as a kid was how he said good-bye every night. >> and that's the news from lake wobogon where all the women are strong, all the men are good looking and all the children are above average. >> ever see those t-shirts for little boys and girls that used to say, i got my dad's brains and my mom's looks? i used to see them in airports and knickknack stores and places like florida, i remember one there. i hope they don't make them anymore. i'd like to think that garrison's line sort of throwing all stereotypes on their heads played a role in ending that sort of thing. he once said he'd retire at age 70 but thank god he rescinded that threat saying the show is going well, why quit. well, here's one person saying i hope he never does. from a big fan, happy birthday, garrison. thanks for watching. tonight, does america have a gun problem? six dead in the wisconsin temple attack. >> you would never think this would ever happen to your
family. >> 12 dead in the aurora shootings. >> i've got seven down in theater nine! >> six dead in the tucson shooting that nearly took of life of gabby giffords. is america doing enough to keep guns from getting into the wrong hands? a no hold's barred debate. plus, governor romney on welfare. >> he'd ask the middle class. it's like robin hood in reverse. it's romney hood. >> tonight, the campaigns square off. and a day at the beach turns terrifying. my prime-time exclusive of the survivor of the cape cod shark attack. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. our big story tonight, inside the mind of a shooter. jared lee loughner, the alleged gunman of the tucson shooting that killed six people and nearly killed gabby giffords entered a not guilty plea in a court today.
a judge ruled him competent to stand trial. this comes after news the psychiatrist who treated the alleged aurora shooter james holmes was so concerned about his behavior. an abc news reporter yesterday even contacted university police. in oak creek wisconsin, police saying tonight there are links between a white supremacist movement and this man. he was mentioned in a small number of files going back seven years. all three shooters bought their guns legally. my response to that is why were they allowed to? surely, there must be new controls put in to stop people like this from getting guns in america. joining me now, criminal defense attorney alan dershowitz. darren koppel of the independence institute. and dan bahm, author of the forthcoming "gun guys, a road trip."