tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 15, 2012 4:00am-5:00am EDT
they're proposing. romney wants to -- he said in the first 100 days, he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules. unchain wall street. they're going to put you all o. unchain wall street. they're going to put you all back in chains. >> mr. biden today at a rally in danville, virginia. the crowd of 800, like the city, is roughly 50% african-american. we let it run a little bit long so you could hear the reaction and judge for yourself, how that phrase, put y'all back in chains, played inside the room. the blogs were erupting. a contributor to the national review accused the vice president of using racially coded language or, as it's called, blowing a dog whistle.
here's the estimable veep. he writes, dog whistling like cesar milan. over on town haul hall one writes this, joe biden race baits in virginia. the romney campaign reacted sharply as well. a campaign spokeswoman said, quote, after weeks of slanderous and baseless accusations leveled against govern or nor romney, the obama campaign has reached a new low. the comments made by the vice president of the united states are not acceptable in our political discourse and demonstrate yet again that the obama campaign will say and do anything to win the election. now, as we mentioned at the top, vice president biden responded late today at a campaign stop in wittville, virginia. >> the romney campaign put out a tweet. you know, tweets. put out a tweet. went on the airways saying, biden, he's outrageous in saying -- that i think i said in instead unshackled, unchained. outrageous to say that. i'm using the wrong words. i got a message for them. if you want to know what's outrageous, it's their policies.
and the effects of their policies on middle-class america. that's what's outrageous. >> that was the vice president, biden, late today. here's an obama campaign spokesman earlier on "the situation room." >> you understand, jen, that the words, and the vice president uttered these words, he says, he's going to put y'all back in chains. in chains. you know, those are very, very powerful, strong words. i don't know if he's ever said anything along those lines before. do you think he wishes he had a do over? >> well, the republicans in congress and mitt romney himself often use the phrase "unshackling." "unshackling from wall street reforms." because they think it's not the right approach. we think it's the right approach. the vice president often talks about unshackling the middle class. >> she said mr. biden was using a metaphor. keeping them honest, both sides do, talking about shackles or chains or slavery. now house speaker john boehner a
couple months ago quoting harry truman said americans can choose freedom or slavery. he was talking about the economy. and so were all these lawmakers. >> we believe can be stronger if you unshackle what holds us back. >> it's our task to unshackle job creators from regulations and mandates. >> to unshackle the private sector. >> that's why the republicans have a plan to unshackle america. >> unshackle businesses. >> we believe a renewed commitment to limited government will unshackle our economy. >> now, obviously they're using a metaphor. so is anybody who's talking about unshackling the economy or unchaining wall street or unleashing the military or running an idea up the flag pole to see who salutes. but, keeping them honest, that's obvious. and that's not really the point. the point concerns mr. biden's choice of metaphor. given where he was and who he was talking to. as we said, he was in danville, virginia, the same danville that was the last capital of the confederacy. the same danville that was at the center of major racial unrest during the civil rights summer of 1963. the same danville that cnn's
peter hamby calls the heart of the african-american vote in southern virginia. the same danville in a state that's now considered to be a swing state and that could very well be key in deciding who wins the presidency. that means lots to talk about with our political analysts this evening. roland martin and republican strategist anna navarro with me. nice to talk to both of you. roland, i'm going to start with you. when you think about the context, the vice president was not talking to a room full of white people in iowa. he was talking to a heavily african-american audience in the south. with a history i was just explaining. doesn't that -- you and i talk about racially coded language all the time. isn't that clearly racially coded language? >> i think we're making a mistake. you say half of the room was african-american. who were the other half of the room? in the video that i saw, if you play that video back, i see more whites in that video behind biden when he was talking than i saw african-american. if the room was half black, what was he basically saying to all
the white folks in the room, i'm not talking to y'all right now, i'm talking to the black folks? i think the key thing is what is the context? when he used the whole notion of unshackle when it comes to wall street, i get that. what we've been talking about is how wall street had folks in subprime loans. how they were sitting here in terms of high interest rates. we use the phrase "don't be shackled or don't be a slave to debt." so i understand the comment. i get the context of the previous sentence. >> all right. so, anna, i have a feeling you're going to say this is a dub standard. in fact, if we were flipping the script here, in fact, talking about that exact same quote but from a white person addressing the new potential vp who was addressing a white audience and talking about race we'd be talking about the dog whistle, we'd be talking about racial coding. do you think it's essentially a double standard? >> i think it is a double standard, soledad. look, you know, you've got roland, you and me, three people of color. we understand what racially
tense language is. and joe biden understands it. i nt to tell you this. i know joe biden. i know there isn't a racist bone in joe biden. but there's a lot of outrageous stuff that comes out of joe biden's mouth. let's remember that this is the guy who, four years ago, described barack obama as -- i'm going to read it. i want to make sure people know i'm quoting. the first mainstream african-american who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. this is the same joe biden who earlier this year was taking on an indian accent and pretending to be a guy from a call center. same joe biden who told an indian group, oh, you know, you can hardly go into a seven-11 or dunkin donuts these days if you don't have a slight indian accent. these things are racist. he is no longer a senator. he's the vice president of the united states. he has to behave that way. >> help me out here. >> yeah. >> i'm confused. let's say joe biden didn't say chains but he said wants to keep you in shackles. the previous comment dealt with
unshackled. i think the point there is people get that. so, look, we -- look, i understand coded language. i totally get it. but it's also based upon what did he say before he used that particular sentence? and when you talk about how we dealt with wall street, when you talk about the fact that, look, congressman paul ryan voted against the bill that would have said credit card companies have to notify us 45 days in advance before they raise interest rates. so i think we get that. we know what that means. payday loans. how people are slave to debt. dealing with that. so i get it. so if he didn't say the first line, then i'm with you on the second line. but that's the setup to the second line. >> all right, but listen, roland, let's say -- let's also admit this. joe bidehas developed in the last four years a reputation for being the gaffer in chief. and that reputation allows him a lot of flexibility to say some ridiculous stuff and he gets away with it. he gets away with it because we all say, oh, that's good old joe
being good old joe. >> are you saying, ana, that it's a gaffe or it's intentional because he understands the history of the area that he's in and he's sending a coded message to people in the audience? >> i think joe biden is a very intelligent man. i think he understands the community. i think he knows exactly what he's doing. and i think he knows that he's got a lot of room to wiggle because we all say, it's joe biden and his bidenisms, you know. anything that an elected official says that makes you cringe, choke, snort or laugh is now going to be called a bidenism. >> if 50% of the room was black, why are we somehow discounting the other half of the room? now, if the whole room was black, i get it. we can't just say 50% of the room was black. again, what was he doing? i'm talking only to the black people? could he have been talking to the whites in the room as well when he talked about wanting you to be in chains in terms of wall
street and shackling folks with debt? wanting consumers to run up their credit cards? wanting them to have those subprime loans? could he very well have been talking about that? >> ana -- >> come on, roland. >> let me ask you a question, ana -- >> no, i get it. >> -- the romney campaign was releasing ads accusing the president of getling rid of the work requirement for welfare recipients wanting to send a check for doing nothing at all. not only were there people who fact checked that and said that is not accurate. there were critics who talked about another element. the racial coding. the undertone of conversation. the dog whistle we've been talking about. the romney campaign said that's not what we're intending at all. there is no dog whistle here. isn't it possible that in fact just as they say that, what vice president is saying is also accurate? >> well, then maybe he should say that. maybe he should say, i didn't intend to make any sort of racial undertone. i didn't intend to have this as a dog whistle. but we've seen, time and again, that the obama campaign does not take these opportunities to
distance themselves from what are mistakes. last week, they didn't want to distance themselves from an ad where they were basically accusing mitt romney of having killed a woman from cancer. they didn't want to distance themselves from when their campaign deputy said, you know, that mitt romney might have -- you know, was a felon. i mean, it's time for them to show a little leadership. a little conviction. a little character. i think it's a missed opportunity by president obama and his campaign. >> think it's been the summer -- >> -- everything into a pot like it's gumbo or something like that, that's what it's all about. >> roland -- double standard -- >> -- double standard -- >> if paul ryan or mitt romney had said this today the naacp would be demanding an apology or -- >> paul ryan has said unshackled. mitt romney has said unshackled. john boehner. come on, now. >> -- adopting a fake southern
accent -- >> okay, i think for both of you -- >> you should never fake an accent on tv unless it's your accent. >> for both of you, i think it's fair to say, from both campaigns -- you guys making me work tonight. it's been the summer of doubling down. people are not really apologizing. they sort of say, well, you know, we said it. we mean it. rowland, let me ask you sort of the bigger question. at the end of the day, what are the political implications? does this conversation hurt the obama campaign? does it help the romney campaign? what do you think the impact is? >> no, what helps is when you get to the substance of what he was talking about. when he referenced the unshackling of wall street, that is the real issue. just last night when i talked about representative paul ryan's voting record. he was against the consumer protection bureau. he did not want the checks on wall street. derivatives. the reason we got in trouble. he delayed putting those regulations in for a whole year. he voted for that. that's what biden was talking about. that's the real substance of this issue. in terms of wall street not wanting any regulations and wall street wanting to continue to put their thumbs on people with
those subprime loans, with predatory lending, with high interest rates. that's the real issue. you want to talk about substance? let's deal with that, ana, versus this nonsense, well, it was the chains. the fact of the matter is, wall street wants people like that so they can keep their profit margins high. >> all right, roland and ana -- >> i absolutely agree. i think instead of making racially tense comments to his audience, he should have been talking about the 14% unemployment rate with -- that african-americans suffer under barack obama -- >> and that will be, people, our final word for the moment. i'm going to ask you to stick around. we've got some new tape to show you. paul ryan confronted for the first time with a question about mitt romney's budget plan and he has a little bit of a tough time answering that. we're going to talk about that coming up next. stay with us. reamy peanut butter or rich dark chocolate flavor. 90 calories. 100% natural. and nature...approves. granola thins. from nature valley. nature at its most delicious.
social security turned 77 today. but it's social security's younger cousin, medicare, that's been getting all the headlines. medicare's not so healthy. there's a political battle over how to fix it. you probably heard of some of it. >> actually, if mitt romney and paul ryan became president and vice president of the united states, they'd be able to end the medicare guarantee, shred the health care safety net that medicare has provided for more than 50 years, and turn medicare into a voucher program. leaving seniors really out in the cold. >> medicare has had $760 billion
taken from it and put in obama care. with all due respect to your analyst that said some of it went back to medicare, a very small amount went back to medicare. about $700 billion was taken away. which reduces payments to providers and reduces services. >> so tonight we're setting aside the partisan back and forth. instead, we've called in a specialist. "360" m.d. sanjay gupta to help make sense of president obama and mitt romney's medicine for medicare. sanjay, first, let's talk medicare. compare the president's plan to the ryan plan. >> the latest iteration is the ryan/wyden plan. there was a ryan ryan plan but then he co-authored this plan with the senator from oregon, ron wyden. basically, the best way to describe this is for people who are 55 and younger, this is who it's going to impact. ten years from now, when those people start getting to retirement age, there's going to be a different sort of option. people can opt to get a stipend, which right now is projected to
be about $8,000, and use that money to buy into the private health care industry. so they can say look, i want to do medicare, instead, i want to use this money and buy my own insurance. before, there was no medicare option as part of that. now you can still opt to stay in medicare. so that's an important point. because they're not saying they're getting rid of medicare. they're just making other options available, believing that that competition will drive down prices. people talk a lot about these cuts. what they're really talking about is capping the amount that medicare can grow over the next ten years. when they do the projections they figure they cap the growth at just a half a percent over normal gross domestic product. that will be about $700 billion in lost money. both the ryan/wyden plan, as well as the affordable care act, obama care, do the same thing. they both have those sorts of caps in place. so there's a similarity in there as well, soledad. >> so where, then, does that money come from? that $700 billion that everybody's been talking about? >> well, it's interesting.
so as part of the affordable care act. and this has been one of those things that has been very controversial. but people talk about this thing known as the independent payment advisory board. essentially this is a 15-member board that looks at medicare costs, health care costs overall, and says, okay, we're projected to go over now so we've got to figure out some places to make cuts. as far as the ryan/wyden plan, it really has more to do with this belief that if you engage the private sector, it's going to bring the medicare costs down erall and they're going to be able to accrue those $700 billion or whatever the number is finally after ten years as a result of that. >> if you get that money, if it's coming from that direction, where does it go eventually? >> with regard to the affordable care act, if you look through it, and i've read through this a couple of times now, all 2,000-some pages, you find that, you know, the idea of providing preventive services, for example, for free, no co-pays,
no additional charges, for free, all that costs money. a lot of the money they get as a result of the cap in medicare growth actually goes back to provide some of those services. to provide some of those services under the affordable care act. we don't see that in the ryan/wyden plan. you don't see where that mon goes. but the idea that that money would go back into medicare, back into the safety net, back into the federal entitlement to protect people who are 65 and older, there's no evidence right now in the ryan/wyden plan. >> sanjay, thank you. appreciate it greatly. >> you got it, soledad, anytime, thank you. we've gotten some tape of paul ryan's first one on one interview. he's appearing tonight on fox. he got a question about mitt romney's budget plan. and here's how he handled it. >> budget plan that you're now supporting would get to balance when? >> well, there's different -- the budget plan that mitt romney's supporting gets us down to 20% of gdp government
spending by 2016. that means get the size of government back to where it historically has been. what president obama has done is he has brought the size of government to as high as it hasn't been since world war ii. we want to reduce the size of government so we can have more economic freedom. >> i get that. but what about balance? >> i don't know exactly when it balances. we haven't -- i don't want to get wonky on you, but we haven't run the numbers on that specific plan. the plans we've offered in the house lance the budget. i would put a contrast. president obama, never once, ever, has offered a plan to ever balance the budget. the united states senate, they haven't even balanced -- they haven't passed a budget in three years. >> i understand that. but your own budget that you -- >> you're talking about the house budget? >> i'm talking about the house budget. >> yeah. >> this is -- your budget is going to be an issue -- >> the house budget -- the house budget -- the house budget -- doesn't budget until the 2030s until the current cbo baseline. we believe if we get the economy growing, people back to work,
we'll be able to balance the budget within ten years. >> back now with roland martin. republican strategist ana navarro. roland, i'll start with you on this. what was your takeaway from that? clearly, there was a difficulty in articulating exactly what the romney budget was and he said he hasn't run the numbers on it. >> since the previous discussion was about language, i look at the language paul ryan was using. congressman paul ryan was using. he said, quote, the budget plan that mitt romney is supporting, that sounded as if he's not the vp choice. romney had made it clear that he's advancing his own budget. so congressman ryan might want to get on board of the romney plan, since romney picked him. then he also kept saying that "we in the house." then he said that we believe that the budget can be balanced in ten years. who is "we"? is it his house budget or is it the romney budget? he's the vp candidate who should be supporting mitt romney's plan. sounds like he isn't fully convinced yet. >> ana, it was interesting to hear, i thought, paul ryan
constantly trying to sort of shift back -- you've seen it a lot. this is a contrast between the romney/ryan team and what president obama is presenting. and brit hume was very much keeping him back on track to talk about either the romney budget or the ryan budget. also it was interesting to me he really can't escape the ryan budget as soon as john sununu this morning was telling me, it's not about the ryan budget, it's about the romney budget. ana, i'd like you to address that. >> it is about the romney budget, but in order for it to be about the romney budget, they've got to run the numbers and they've got to get very sharp about the contents of the romney budget. i frankly give him some slack today. he's been at this now for three days. he's been in the house and he's been talking about his plan for many, many years. this is his third day on the job. but, you know, i saw mitt romney here in miami yesterday get asked some questions and he also was not very sharp on the answers. this is going to be a big part of the campaign. it's going to be a big part of the campaign in my state of florida. where there's so many seniors and where there's medicare
issues going to be huge. if we're going to have a real debate, if we want to make some real distinguishing between the two plans, my team has got to get very sharp, very knowledgeable, on what they're talking about. once paul ryan does that, let him loose. he's a very articulate guy. he knows what he's doing. he's wonky. with the addition of paul ryan, we just raised the bar. we're not talking about dancing horses anymore. but he's got to know what he's talking about. >> sold dad, he might want to look at the 1980 plan when ronald reagan was running. of course, he was running opposite george h.w. bush who called his plan voodoo economics. when reagan picked bush, he quickly changed his view on that. ryan might want to quickly change his view. at some point, congressman ryan's going to have to let go of his budget because he is not the candidate. and it feels like based upon that interview he does not want to let go of it because that's what's made him a darling of the party. >> how much of that, ana, is that with a lack of details
about the romney budget, everybody kind of goes back to the very, very detailed ryan budget that obviously the new vp pick knows a lot of details about? >> i think it has a lot to do with that. look, you know, i've seen paul ryan in action. this is a detail guy. this is a policy guy. this is a wonk guy. one of his great talents is he's able to talk about these things in laymen's terms. but he's got to know the information. they've got to run the numbers. they've got to be able to do a comparison and contrast of the two plans. so paul ryan is coming to florida this weekend. this is the issue in florida that could make or break the election. i hope that they are very, very sharp by the time he shows up here. >> ana navarro and roland martin, thank you very much. >> appreciate it. a lot more happening tonight. a veteran's charity accused of mismanaging donations now facing fallout. wait till you hear who no longer
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now, another keeping them honest report. there is fallout tonight on a veterans charity accused of mismanaging donations. we told you about the help hospitalized veterans foundation last week when the state of california filed a complaint alleging the directors of that charity paid themselves huge salaries and even bought golf memberships with the money that was supposed to go to injured and sick vets. you might recall our own drew griffin tried to get some answers from the charity's president, mike lynch, who wouldn't answer a single question about how that money was spent. >> i got to ask you about the money, though. i mean, that doesn't answer any of the questions about the money that they're -- that's it? that's all you guys are going to say?
>> well, now a tv star, a former president, and a former presidential candidate, who's a world war ii vet, all demanding that they be removed from the help hospitalized veterans website. they no longer want to be associated in any way with the group. drew joins us now to talk about what it's all about. hey, drew. >> hi, soledad. you know, we're talking about tens of millions of dollars raised by this group. among other things, that charity, help hospitalized veterans, was accused of using that donated money destined for hospitalized vets to pay for $80,000 in those golf club memberships, a $389,000 salary to the president there and even making inappropriate loans. so imagine, soledad, you're actress marg helgenberger of the cbs show "csi" and you know this public service announcement is floating around the internet. >> thanks for visiting hhv.org. there are so many ways you can
say thank you to a hospitalized veteran. >> yep, that's the actress. basically encouraging people to give money to help hospitalized veterans. well, now the actress wants her face, name, removed from anything hhv does. her spokesman told us that marg was deeply disappointed when she learned these allegations and immediately had her name removed from the organization and she is hardly alone. former senator presidential candidate bob dole, whose picture was prominently displayed on the hhv website, also backing away. in a statement e-mailed to cnn, the former republican presidential candidate and world war ii vet, i might add, said he supported the charity and its former president early on thinking he was helping veterans and their families with most of the money he raised. it was only later that dole said he learned much of the money raised by hhv went to salaries of its then president and other top executives. he wants to be disassociated with the group. and former president george w. bush and first lady laura bush
none too happy that this photo was on the hhv website also. a picture with the charity's president, mike lynch. the bush family says that's just a photo. they never endorsed the charity. all of these folks want their images and names not to be associated, soledad, with help hospitalized veterans. >> so we saw you, drew, trying very hard to get some kind of response from the charity's president last week. have you gotten any answers about, you know, where all the money that's been donated -- and clearly it's a fair amount -- where it's gone? >> no, not from the president who you saw there, soledad, mike lynch. not from the charity's attorneys today. we e-mailed them. tried to reach them. we just have a posting on the group's website. this is what it says. while disappointed in the recent accusations leveled against the company, hhv looks forward to responding with facts and information that should change the current perception of hhv for those who are willing to listen. boy, we have been certainly willing to listen to anything
they want to say, soledad. we just can't get any answers from them. california's attorney general basically asking all of the officers of that charity be removed immediately. we may not get any answers from this group till they go to court. >> so, in the meantime, you've been getting some positive feedback and positive results on the reporting that's been done on other charities as well. >> yeah. we're going to leave you with a good, positive story. we've been featuring a small charity in birmingham, alabama. a little group called three hots and a cot. the group sent those coconut m&ms if you've been following our reporting. by the disabled veterans foundation. well, instead of being sent the one thing they really needed, money, to fix windows on their old homes. one of our cnn viewers in washington state took notice. and sent three hots and a cot a single check for $50,000. this weekend, the new windows were being installed. this will not only make the home for these homeless vets more comfortable, it's going to
really cut down on the heating and the cooling bills which have been a major expense for that charity over in birmingham, alabama. >> oh, that's good news, you know, because i think you get very dismayed by some of the reports of the fraud that's happening in some of these charities. and to hear that there's people doing good with the money they get, that's good news. all right, drew, thanks, appreciate the follow-up on that. lots more we're following tonight. susan hendricks will join us with a "360" bulletin. hey, susan. >> hi, soledad. 62 wildfires are burning in five western states. one of the largest fires is in central washington state. where at least 60 homes have been destroyed. meanwhile, in idaho, a 20-year-old firefighter was killed when a tree fell on her while fighting the steep canyon fire. a mother and her son are behind bars in florida accused of shoplifting from toy stores across the country and selling the goods online for nearly $1 million. investigators say he's proud.
his goal was to steal from stores in all 50 states within one year. a california man was arrested and faces charges for allegedly stealing computers and other items worth more than $60,000. the robbery happened at the home of the late apple co-founder steve jobs. no one was home at the time. merriam-webster is adding 15 new words to their collegiate dictionary. among them, take a look. bucket list, man cave, sexting, and aha moment. signature phrase of oprah. >> that phrase dates back to the '30s. i thought oprah made it up, actually. >> it dates back to the '30s? >> yes, it does. all right, susan, thank you. major development to tell you about in colorado city, arizona. a desert community populated by members of the polygamist sect, flds. its police force has been accused of misconduct. now it's no longer the only force in town. we've got that story coming up next.
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as we have reported on this program, warren jeffs, the leader of the polygamist flds sect appears to remain firmly in control of his followers from behind bars. he's serving a life sentence in texas for sexually assaulting underage girls. take a look at what might be the latest piece of evidence. this poster of jeffs was given to cnn by law enforcement source who says it was found in an flds school. it says this. where is the faith to set me free? how much longer will it take to have a clean prepared people that will obey father's commandments? i've been imprisoned for days. what are you doing about it? there have also been questions and complaints about the activities of the police force that patrols two desert towns populated and controlled by flds
members. but in a major turn of events, they are no longer the only police force in town. here's gary tuchman. >> colorado city. >> reporter: sergeant michael hogart is doing something he's never done before. regular daily patrols of colorado city, arizona. a polygamous community controlled in nearly every way by the flds church. normally you can rely on the municipal police to help you. you cannot rely on them here. >> no. >> reporter: sergeant hogart is part of the mojave county sheriff's department. the sheriff is tom sheehan. >> they are doing only what the church wants them to do and what their leaders tell them to do. >> reporter: their leader and prophet is warren jeffs who's currently in jail for sexually assaulting two underaged girls. but he still leads the polygamous church and issues orders to his followers. the u.s. justice department has recently sued colorado city and the adjacent town of hilldale, utah, alleging, in part, the local police, known as the
marshal's office, routinely deny proper protection to those not in the religion. for example, this man, david biasline, was recently kicked out of the church. he says the police stood by as his wife and seven children were taken away from him. >> just about killed me. i just closed my eyes. i felt like my soul was just out there floating around somewhere. >> reporter: then there's this man, isaac whiler. one of 40 brothers and sisters. he left the church eight years ago. >> i got kicked out. they didn't say exactly why. but i imagine it's because i was probably asking questions. >> reporter: ever science whiler got kicked out of the flds he says he's been the victim of gruesome vandalism and the police have done little or nothing. >> they will kill cats, throw them in the window wells in the back my truck. where i'll find them when i step out of my porch in the morning. or i'm going to get in the truck. a lot of times it's pigeons with their heads popped off.
or a duck wits head smashed in. >> reporter: how many times have they do that over the years? >> i wouldn't even begin to count. >> reporter: i mean, dozens? >> oh, yeah. >> reporter: last month, something exceptionally disturbing happened on whiler's property. [ cat meowing ] another former flds, andrew chatman, was constructing a smelter in isaac's backyard. >> the cat was up to its head in concrete. >> reporter: someone put a live kitten in concrete. the video was shot as he unsuccessfully worked to save the cat's life. over the years six of the local marshals have been fired. during our visits, we've tried to talk to the local police but have been told this. >> the officers don't give media release, media statements. >> reporter: we've also been threatened with arre. >> i don't want to talk to you. >> reporter: how come? >> load up. leave the property. >> reporter: i'm saying, why -- >> now. >> reporter: despite all the complaints, a recent effort to
-- by arizona legislators to shut down the department failed. so the arizona attorney general provided about $500,000 to fund patrols by the county sheriff's department. what it comes down to is this. for the thousands of warren jeffs followers who live here it's a new day because the sheriff is in town. many flds followers unlawfully tint their windows so they can't be recognized. making their windows too dark is now being ticketed by the new law men on the beat. >> trillions, driver's license, registration. >> also a common infraction, children in the large polygamous families in vehicles. unrestrained. often in the backs of pickups. and drivers often roll through stop signs. >> i'm going to give you a warning for your stop sign violation. >> reporter: the sheriff deputies hope flds members who need help will now come to them. leroy johnson who got the warning for running the stop sign says he doesn't want or need help. do you still consider warren jes your prophet? >> of course he is, there's no other man that could be.
>> reporter: for the sheriff's deputies building up trust in this, the largest polygamous community in america, will undoubtedly be challenging. gary tuchman, cnn, colorado city, arizona. >> gary also reports that the arizona legislature is expected to try once again next year to disband the colorado city police department. if that move is successful, the sheriff's department would remain in town to provide residents with police protection. also on our radar tonight, a dangerous journey inside the fight for syria. >> he's saying here there's a sniper that's shooting. get down. get down. get down. >> that's cnn's ben wedeman. he and his crew risking their lives to tell the real story from the front lines. his report from inside the city of aleppo is up next.
u. defense secretary leon panetta says the united states has no plans for imposing a no-fly zone over syria. top u.n. official valerie amos met today with syria's prime minister. she is seeking access to civilians who are suffering terribly under fierce shelling by the regime. [ speaking in foreign language ] [ gunfire ] this video claims to show fighting in aleppo today. the city's become a major battleground. cnn's ben wedeman shows us how dangerous it is getting in and out of aleppo to try to cover the story there. >> they are literally just a few meters from our destination.
here in aleppo. the car's run out of gas. we're pushing it up the hill. i don't know where we're going to get any petrol. all right. we made it. we left our safe house. at 11:00 in the morning. now it's ten minutes past 10:00 at night. we finally made it to aleppo. all right. we're now going in the direction of salahadin where of course all the fighting has taken place. okay. he's saying here there's a sniper that's shooting. get down. get down. get down. >> hit the deck.
>> okay. we made it. >> that was ben wedeman reporting from inside of syria. let's check back now with susan hendricks. she's got a 360 bulletin for us. >> hi, soledad. that deadly shooting spree near texas a&m unit was captured on cell phone video. a former army medic recorded yesterday's violence that left two people and the gunman dead. he says the gunman apologized for shooting a law enforcement officer who died from his wounds. we now have the "360" follow on the death of 21-year-old chavez carter. he died last month while in the custody of jonesboro, arkansas, police. carter was in the back of a squad car with his hands cuffed behind his back. police claim he pulled out a gun and committed suicide. he was searched twice but no gun was found. carter's family believes he was killed by police. the jonesboro police have now released a video showing a re-enactment of the incident. they call this a nonevidentiary reproduction of facts and circumstances regarding his
death. police used the same handcuffs, the same gun used on carter. the officer is about the same height and weight. they say while the investigation is ongoing, they maintain that carter committed suicide. i want to tell you about popular luxury cars. they flunked a new crash test administered by the insurance institute for high way safety. the test simulated a driver's side frontal crash. among the cars that received a poor rating, the mercedes-benz c-class, the lexus is and cs and audi a-4. the largest burmese python ever found in the florida everglades weighs in at a whopping 164.5 pounds, measures 17 1/2 feet in length. scientists discovered the female snake was carrying 87 eggs. they're trying to understand the python's reproductive capacity in order to halt the spread of this dangerous predator. we'll be right back.
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some krms land in jail. others land on the ridiculist. our top five ridiculist crimes countdown continues tonight. your votes decide which lawbreakers make the list. tonight, by popular demand, the david hasselhoff iced coffee ad thieves are back. >> tonight we begin with a very important question. when you think of david hasselhoff what immediately springs to mind? perhaps you think of one of his television shows? "knight rider", "bay watch" "america's got talent." maybe you think of his legendary popularity in germany. or if you're like us he's
forever first and foremost a singer. ♪ looking for freedom ♪ and the search goes on ♪ i've been looking for freedom ♪ >> fabulous '80s song stylings aside, i think we can all agree when it gets right down to it, the name david hasselhoff is synonymous with one thing and one thing only. iced coffee. that's right. at cumberland farms convenience stores throughout new england, with a veritable army of cutouts. why they missed an opportunity to call it iced hoffee is beyond me. the ads are such a hot item, they're disappearing faster. proving my theory people love them some david hasselhoff cutouts. >> it's crazy. they keep offing -- they come in -- we probably get customers probably every night asking to buy the hasselhoff poster.
>> people are not only asking to buy the hasselhoff poster, some are brazenly stealing them. at apparently such a rate of frequency that convenience store clerks have semiseemingly come to expect it. >> it ain't going to last for the night. but it's still there. >> the company even gave a statement about this to our affiliate whdh. >> cumberland farms says although we are flattered our customers have become attached to our iced coffee ads, we do not encourage theft. the hoff is there for all to enjoy. >> that's right, people, hands off the hoff. he's there for all to enjoy. not unlike the sun, like the stars and the gentle spring breeze. the point is, would you steal a rainbow? no, you wouldn't. well, maybe if you were in college and your friend's nickname was rainbow, then you'd have no choice really. >> one of my friends, his nickname at school is hasselhoff so we saw this sign and my roommate took it for him. >> okay, not to condone theft, but you have to kind of admit, a life-sized cutout of david hasselhoff holding an iced coffee, that is one sweet decoration for a dorm room or