tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN August 23, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
the good thing is, there were no immediate reports of any damages or injuries. i give him points for just moving on with that. mag anany terd, it's a great ba name. it's an excellent reminder we should choose our words carefully, pronounce them carefully. yeah, if you want to talk about a perfect world, know what they mean. that's it for us. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. "outfront," mitt romney's big bet for people like me. imagine working at home with your home being in hawaii and your office in missouri. that is what company is doing. to save money. but does it add up? we have an "outfront" investigation. and colorado police may have been warned about the movie theater gunman weeks before the deadly rampage. new news tonight. let's go "outfront."
good evening, i'm erin burnett. mitt's big bet? me. well, i mean, not exactly me. but there is something about me that might to actually help mitt romney win the white house. those who watch the show know that we criticize obama and romney and are criticized for criticizing obama and romney. we are not going to take sides tonight. but i am catholic. catholics are the second largest religious group in the united states and almost a third of the voters in the president election are catholic. no president has won the election without winning the vote of catholics since at least 1972. this one was one exceptions because i'm talking about the contested race of 2000.
but this is why it's complicated for the candidates. catholics, we can be won over. we are not a group that is is going to go with that guy over that guy. in 2008, catholics chose barack obama. by 54% to 45%. that was a big margin. in 2004, the numbers were different. catholics choose george w. bush over john kerry 52% to 47%. this year, the catholic vote is up for grabs. mitt romney has put heart and soul into the catholics. exhibit "a," the highest ranking catholic in the united states will be front and center at the convention next week. we are talking about cardinal timothy dolan, who will deliver the benediction the night that mitt romney accents the nomination.
he would have accepted an ivenviation. here's the thing. his arch diocese is one of 40 suing the obama administration over the health care plans to cover contraception. now, after the obama administration made that announcement in january, cardinal dolan issued this response. >> never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go in the marketplace and buy a product that violates your conscious. conscience. this shouldn't happen in a land where free exercise ranks first in the bill of rights. >> first in the bill of rights? then take this. dolan is a friend of mitt's running mate, paul ryan who is, of course, roman catholic. ryan and dolan are good friends they are from ryan's home parish of milwaukee from 2002 to 2009. and remember mitt's big trip overseas, he made a big show of
stopping in poland. poland is catholic. i'm talking about poland's native son. >> here in poland, in 1979, a son of poland, pope john paul ii spoke words that would bring down an empire and bring freedom to millions of who lived in bondage. be not afraid. those words changed the world. >> but poland is as catholic as saudi arabia is muslim. and mitt later used that trip to poland in his campaign ad, attacking obama for a war on religion. why? here are the numbers, 96% of the polish citizens are catholic. and here in the united states, catholics can make a difference in swing states. we actually took a look at this. we were amazed how powerful catholics are. in paul ryan's state, catholics make up one-third of the vote.
that's what they did in 2008. obama won their support by a six-point margin. in florida, catholics, 28% of the vote. obama won by just one point. and then new hampshire, nearly 40% of the voters there were catholic. the split was 50/50 four years ago. "outfront" tonight raymond, mitt romney broke the news about dolan's benediction on his show. i everyone, i have no idea how much to the degree you are catholic. but we were all baptized catholic. i found it amazing how powerful catholics are as a group in the country. ray, you sat down exclusively with mitt romney. your interview is going to air tonight. we have a first look what you asked him when you asked why he picked dolan. >> i am making it very clear that the interest of religious
freedom is something i support whole heartedly. and i will work with him and others to ensure that each piece of legislation we consider is thought on its impact religious freedom and tolerance >> so, ray, what do you think? how does his help romeny win catholics? >> i think speaks, james might agree. we are all catholics here. catholics look for what is being said and signs. and the fact that he is inviting cardinal dolan conveys -- he was the person in all the liberty stuff. the hhs mandate. he was the person in connection with president obama throughout the process. clearly a message is being send here. however, i have to say, and take a little umbrage with the way this is depicted. cardinal dough dolan caught
hell -- >> interesting word. we are catholics here. >> pardon me? we are all catholic, we believe in heaven and hell. people said, how can you do this? you are arguing with him and now you are going break bread with him? here i think, dolan is showing that he's nonpartisan. he's giving the benediction and he has agreed to do so and he is inviting people at the al smith dinner. to say that he is endorsing one over the other, there is no doubt. they are are created a lot of friction within the catholic community. >> james carville, what is your reaction? does this move you? >> i think the westerns might be
making a mistake here. and here's romney saying he's going to let the cardinal examine all the legislation to see what he thinks about it. i don't know if it's a very good about it. but my daughter who's a senior here in new orleans came up with the best idea. the democrats should get simone campbell to give the benediction. closing our convention. and if you asked who they admire most, the catholic bishops or the nuns, the nuns would win in a walk. >> in an interview you did with mitt romney, he said he is going to work with dolan to ensure that each piece of legislation is thought in terms of its impact on religious freedom. a lot of people say they want the government to stay out of religious freedoms. but in sounds like it's going in a different direction. >> my question was about the hhs mandate, specifically about
that. i think that's what he was referring to. that he would consult with dolan as president obama did. and up until recently, there was no problem. the obama administration and kathleen sebelius tried to redefine what an organization is. and they said, it's only those who serve catholics and employing catholics. this is a narrow definition. mother teresa couldn't qualify it. i knew mother teresa. and simone campbell is a leader of a group called network. she is critiqued by beinged a odds. she is -- inviting a sister like her might not resonate in the same way that cardinal dolan is. she is missing the habit, james. which we look for when we look at nuns. >> a lot of catholics don't agree with the social aspects of the religion when it comes to women. james, let me ask you this to. you wanted to make a link.
the other voting block that could turn the election is hispanics. 70% of the hispanics in the country are catholics. mitt romney has had a tough time winning these people over. do you think that this could help with that crucial group to get the numbers he needs to win the white house. >> in a word, no. and catholics are -- you know, will pick our cues and goo to vote. people who do go to church tend to be more republican. but i do think we should have the nuns at our convention. i think the nuns are viewed favorable in the united states than the bishops and they're an important part of our church. but i think any daughters idea is very good. and i wouldn't be surprised to see us do that. >> maybe the nuns and priests can get married to -- that is another conversation. i see james talking. his mike is off. he looks funny now. still to come, saving taxpayer money by having employees work from home next.
but we found one employ working from home in hawaii while his office was in missouri. plus, tropical storm isaac is moving close to florida. will it disrupt the convention? >> and new information coming out late today about james holmes. he's the man charged with killing 12 in the colorado movie theater. police were told about him something crucial six weeks before the rampage. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing the calcium they take because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.
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cost-saving measure. one particular area of concern though is how much taxpayers are spending on those employees' travel costs. cnn investigation found one of those employees is assigned to the kansas city office but he works in hawaii. yes, hawaii. here's drew griffin "outfront". >> reporter: if you could work any where in the world, why wouldn't you work from hawaii? soft breezes, beautiful beaches and the warm spirit of aloha that people in places like kansas city can only dream of. but for one federal employee, it's a dream come true. we will call him mr. x because he hasn't done anything wrong. he is part of a system that has come under fire. the general services administration virtual
employees. when kansas city was looking for a specialist, he was a perfect candidate. for $86,000 a year, he was on the federal payroll. living and working, not even at the gsa's office in honolulu but from his home as a virtual employee of the kansas city office. it's part of the gsa initiative to show how flexible the work schedules and working from home can make workers happy, save office space and save commuter pollution. and for this employee, what better example than to hire a guy in hawaii. >> that was one of the directors wanding to show that she really embraced telework and that it could be done. >> you are kidding me. >> i'm not kidding you. >> we're going to set an example by hiring somebody in hawaii to work in kansas city?
>> that's correct. >> and confirmed by the person in charge of all the other teleworkers here. the regional administrator said that mr. x with was perfect for the job, travel costs included. >> when factoring all of those in, it was determined that he was the best candidate, even in light of the cost that would be incurred. i don't think he comes to kansas city very often. and again that's a reflection of the technology we have available to us. >> we found the gsa's hawaii's mr. x may not come to see kansas city or lot. in the last year he has flown to the mainland nine times. in the last year, he has flown back to the mainland nine times. four trips to st. louis, four to washington, including a side trip to cincinnati and there was a trip to san diego. cost to taxpayers, $24,211. too much, according to the new
administration now running the gsa, which told us we are not going to defend this type of travel. but what cnn and congressional investigators really want to know is just how many more mr. xs are out there. for weeks cnn has been asking for the numbers. we're still waiting. so is congress. >> reporter: what cnn has learned is the number of virtual employees could be between 200 and 300 people with an excess travel cost in the several millions of dollars. all for the convenience of gsa workers who want to work from home. do you feel the kansas city office should be hiring, has hired a guy who works out of his home in hawaii? >> no. i totally understand i think the most povernt part for gsa to think about is make sure we avail ours to all the smart people in the country but also make sure we have a clear business case. if we have someone who is
working in nebraska but reporting to boston, there has to be a clear explanation for what value they're providing and you've got to give me the business case. >> and we found out something else. if that hawaii teleworker ever does move to kansas city, there are newly remodelled, color pabted offices waiting for him. gsa spent $170,000 fixing up this space. now the employees are teleworkers and the offices are empty. >> a pretty shocking and damning report. they're still working from home. and these teleworkers, they're working for the gsa. what happens to them? do they actually go to work? >> as far as we know it's the status quo. they're teleworking. there's going to be some kind of accounting who is and isn't a good candidate for these home positions. it is their travel that's been
severely cut. the acting administrator you saw there ordered this top to bottom review of the agency that includes the travel and of course the conferences which did how the whole thing got started. >> the great irony that the gsa is supposed to be policing how much everybody else is spending on ridiculous things. but you talk about how you've been trying to find out how many people are doing this telecommuting. this would seem to me to be a pretty basic thing. give us the number. >> i would say we're getting stone walled. we filed the request under the freedom of information act back in june. repeatedly told it's going to be ready any day now. now we're told they want to make some kind of a spreadsheet. maybe the real answer is the gsa doesn't know. they don't know how many people they have working from home. that could be why they're not
just stalling on our request, but stalling on a request from congressional investigators. asking the same thing as cnn. how many are there? what are they costing? >> that's just amazing. drew griffin, thank you very much. and coming up with what appear to be pretty shocking and damning conclusions. "outfront" next new information in on the path and strength of isaac. and tonight molly ringwald gets personal. she said to me that she is practically married to that cute "16 candles" costar, jake.
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hit? >> i do believe it will hit hurricane strength and then the hurricane strength will go down. it will leave land, back to cuba and go in the gulf of mexico and it could be a hurricane again, maybe bigger than a 1. it could be a larger hurricane than just a category 1. center right here. the wind there is going to go up the next hour. we have hurricane hunter aircraft in there. they are finding gusts higher than that. isaac is forecast to move over haiti. over 400,000 people living in tents. and over cuba when it goes over land, it loses power, when it goes over water, it gains power. there's where it is going to gain the power. remember now, it could go to the the right or the left. but right now, the models that we use they are tightly packed and they all agree.
and that's usually a bad thing and that means they're all probably right. >> interesting for what it means for tampa. thanks, chad. still "outfront," what police were actually told about james holmes six weeks before he shot and killed people in a colorado movie theater. and romney's taxes. nearly 1,000 pages of what it called tax dodging schemes. does that add up?
we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on report from the front line. first the u.s. capitol police spokeswoman tells cnn is working on a reported threat against congressman todd akin. she said it was an active, open investigation. but she declined to say more. akin is under fire for making controversial comments about rape. today, mitt romney rolled out his energy plan.
>> i will set a national goal of america and north america, north american energy independence by 2020. north american energy independence by 2020. that moans we produce all the energy we use in north america. >> the problem is, this isn't really outfront. without his plan, this country is already on a path to be energy independent by 2020. raymond james is one of the companies that forecast this. they say it's a historic deal and we've talked about it on this show. and it is pretty amazing. the reason it's going to happen without a romney plan is natural gas. we have so much gas we're going to be able to meet our own needs and even export it and it's cheap. citigroup says the u.s. could add 6 million jobs thanks to this by, guess what? 2020. it's been one year since the earthquake shook the east coast and it caused a crack at the top
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what are we doing to get it back? the dow was down 115 points but it was the first triple-digit loss of the month. it's been a good month. now the story out front. missed opportunities in the colorado shooting. it's a tragedy this information we have tonight. we new details that the university of colorado had banned james holmes from campus for making threats six weeks before he allegedly killed 12 in a movie theater in aurora, colorado. according to prosecutors, university officials reported it to campus plus. they gave the threats to police and took away his key cards that gave him access to campus buildings. this is shocking. the evidence on a couple levels. evidence that the police were told about the threats that james holmes had made on the campus of colorado six weeks before the shooting. bus that mean that the police could be liable? >> it's hard to get a liability
suit against the police. of course, are we talking about the university police or the actual colorado police, maybe the state police? in either case, you have to be -- people would be shocked to hear this. you can't sue the shocks for not doing their job, believe it or not. they have immunity for that. the reason for that, everybody who had a crime committed against them would sue the police. we would be out of business. you can sue them if they establish a special relationship with you. if they say, they are are going to supply you with 24-hour protection and they don't show up on the job, that's considered a special relationship, you can sue. but now we have to look to holmes. what were the specific threats? how much did they know was a special relationship created. >> so that's povernt. but what about this? the yuft of colorado obviously
took the threat seriously enough to deny him access to the campus, take away his key cards, he wasn't able to come on the campus. that's pretty serious. does that mean the university can be facing more liability? >> it's very serious. however with the university you get a different doctrine and it the doctrine of for seeability and they call it the duty doctrine. you have to show that the university owes a duty to the general public. to do that is very difficult. we have the same problem once again. >> they protected themselves tsds mpleg the they protected themselves and their students. they owe a duty to them. but every kid who has a drug problem or a problem with violence, can you sue the university if he does something when he leaves college? i'm not saying you can't do it, but it's really hard to win those cases. >> and what about the other information that we found out today which is that holmes met with at least mental health experts at the university colorado before the shooting. we know one of them had raised
warning and there was concern. there has been a question of how much she raised, how far she pushed it. but does this add to the problems at the university as well? you've now got three. you don't usually have three people looking at you for mental health unless something is wrong with you. >> you don't. and i think you're on to something here because collectively all of this information, when you get to the mental health people, may have given them an obligation to make and take action by going to the police. psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, they have a legal obligation to protect the public and warn. so now, maybe we see the start of a theory of liability so that these victims could find some justice in this case. >> and liability in this would be incredible amount of money. >> staggeringly large amount of money, if they could prove it. but it's an uphill battle here against all of the potential targets in the civil cases. we're not talking about the criminal cases here. we're only talking about civil
cases. the criminal case still looks very strong against him. >> thanks to paul callan. also "outfront" tonight, a document dump. there's a website, it's called gawker. today they released more than 950 pages bain confidential documents with a headline inside mitt romney's tax-dodging cayman schemes. we looked through the documents and there is some more information about funds in the cayman islands and some of romney's advisers prasing the economic stimulus that he has been against. as for a bombshell that would have anything to do with his personal taxes, no. gawker's worthless bain files.
david, this is part of the problem here. is this something that mitt romney is going to deal with until the elections? because he hasn't put out his taxes. any kind of secret information or trove or information about one fund is going to cause a brouhaha? >> president obama is not going to be running on a record. because the record is pretty depressing. so he has to do the thing that embattling incumbents do, and that is make the challenger unacceptable. so he has to find things in romney's life and link them to a story about how that romney is unacceptable. and the taxes are going to be a thing they go to again and again to change the subject away from the record of the past four years. >> what is the risk that mitt romney is defined by things that he won't reveal? david, something just came out a few moments ago that i want to share with everybody. the salt lake tribune is
reporting that mitt romney says to parade magazine, part of the money that he doesn't want to give out his tax returns, the money that he gives to the mormon church. he believes it's private between him and god. >> why is he talking act it now? there are two points here. the romney people take the position that this is only a big deal if there's something wrong in the report. that is not the case. the american people want to see the documents and if there is something wrong in there, they should talk about it. point number two is romney has got to begin to own his own narrative. right now he seems to be running from his history and i think that's something that does concern people. because if mitt romney doesn't feel good about his history and his story, he's got to find a way to tell it better.
>> when you actually did the numbers, which we did in the beginning. if mitt romney said, say what you want about my taxes, i paid 14, 15% to the u.s. government but i paid the same to charity, which is incredibly generous, you add that together. i'm paying more of my income than barack obama is. >> you are talking about you. and when he says the american people want to know this or that thing, i know a substantial amount of american people, but i don't think that any of us know a tenth of 1% of them. and what they want. the art of politics is talking about what the public is interested in. the obama campaign must have a meeting every morning where it says what can we do today to get mitt romney to talk about the things we want him to talk about and not about the things he wants to talk about? and they've been very successful and unfortunately they've had some help on that from the romney campaign. but the romney campaign needs to talk about what it wants to talk about which is the state of the economy and hopes for a better
performance over the next four years. >> i do think that while everybody gets caught in the details about what is this tax and what is that document, people do start to get a feeling that he's hiding something and that he's not comfortable. and the one thing we knew about george bush, he would laugh at himself, make fun of himself and he was comfortable with his faults. american people do like to have a leader who is transparent and comfortable and willing to tell his own storiry in a good way. >> the feeling is something that has been guilt. >> that's the campaign's job. and you should defend against that and be pro active against this. democrats have been running the same attack on mitt romney since 1994. it's a shame they can't figure out how to defend it. >> i guess one final thing. one thing to say i want to keep it private, but this comes on the same week that he is
allowing reporters now to come to church with him. he's talking much more openly about religion. he's saying he wants to talk about higs faith and religion. isn't that a little bit of a contradiction? >> he has clearly decided there are things in that tax return that he would rather people not see and he would for example specially not have the obama's administration researchers see that. it may be a good or bad decision, but it's dreven by this overwhelming realty, that he knows that the obama campaign wants to talk about him. you didn't hear a lot of talk about walter mon dale's tax returns back in 1984. when the incumbent has a weak message, the challenger's history becomes ground zero. >> thanks very much to both of you. "outfront" next molly ringwald gets personal. check out this pick sure she showed us of -- is that jake? that's her husband.
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>> the 44-year-old now is the focus of our ideas segment tonight. she's famous for her movies. sure that was more than 25 years ago. but since then, molly has performed on broadway, recorded a jazz album and she's acting on abc's "secret life of the american teenager." now she is even written a book called "when it happens to you." i asked her what it was like to transition from movie star to first time novelist. >> i think in terms of my fiction i had to get to a place where my own writing met the standards of writing that i
really admire. and it took a lot of years for me to really learn how to do it. you know, and i feel like i'm still learning. i feel like i'm still a work in progress, but finally i happened upon this idea for the book and i thought i could really do something with this. you know, the idea of betrayal and how we get through it and how we bee troy each other and how we betray ourselves. it seemed like something that was so relatable. >> what was this based on? was it personal experience? what made you able to write about it so rawly? >> i think i bring the same abilities to my writing that i've always used in my acting, which is imagining character. when you get inside these characters, you feel everything. >> so i have to ask you this. you know, i told people you were coming on this show and they said oh, my gosh you're having molly ringwald on. they go through whatever their favorite movie was.
there were a couple of young men in your movies that people are still interested in, in particular jake in "16 candles." >> make a wish. >> it already came true. >> i still get goose bumps. everyone wanted to know, everyone wants that to be real life. did you guys ever have a real-life romance? >> me and michael? >> yeah. >> no. but, you know what? my -- he was older than me. i was 15 when i was shooting "16
candles" and he was in his 20s. but i enned up, funny enough, my husband happens to resemble him a lot. so in a way i kind of got him. but which i never realized until years later and somebody said you know what? that guy that you married, he looks like jake ryan. >> you're giving me my happy ending. >> i'm glad to have been able to do that for you, erin. >> so we're talking about a life and i know you don't call it reinvention, but someone like you is able to do so much things and as life moves on, you do one thing, you do another thing you go with your heart and talent. you're voting for obama, right? >> yes. i think he's really smart. i think he was handed a really difficult situation. he hasn't done everything perfectly, but i'm definitely in support of him. >> and so -- >> and the opposition to me is
just absolutely terrifying as a woman. and as a woman that has two daughters it's just not possible for me to consider that. >> and is that because of all the recent talk about abortion? is it the contraception? >> yeah. it's that, it's, you know, telling women what they have to do with their bodies. it's just something that i don't believe in and i believe that president obama will protect women's rights much better than the other guys. >> you mentioned your daughters and i know you have three kids. you look back at your own life and you were a movie star when you were a teenager. would you recommend they follow your path or no? >> not while they're still kids. i would prefer that my children go to school and get an education and go to college and you know, if they want to pursue it later on, i would do whatever i can to help them. but i just, i feel like childhood is so fleeting and the
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she's had songs number one bfsh but they were on the country or pop charts. the hot 100 is the chart. ♪ i'm never ever getting back together ♪ >> the song is "we are never ever getting back together". it has only been out for a few weeks. in addition to being on the top 100, it's sold 623,000 digital copies in one week. the most for a song sung by a
women. all this and she doesn't have a video for it yet. this is the strange thing we learned today. stars want to push out songs quickly. there is a lyrics video on youtube, it doesn't have video. it doesn't have video. you just see these words go across. according to a study from neels son, 64% of teens say they listen to music on youtube. teens are obviously a crucial demo for artists like taylor swift. i'm sure you are shocked to hear this is the first number one she's had. she's been around years. she is 22. her first single on the hot 100 was in 2007. the charts can be fickle. the number tonight, 25. that is the number of years it took aerosmith to hit number one. they released their first debut title album in 1973 and included the single "dream on."
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