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seacrest would not be caught dead with those glass on. >> so on behalf of everyone but ryan sea kref. with frames as big as our dream, wolf, welcome, enjoy the view. that does it for this edition. see you one hour from now. yeah, 10:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching. piers morgan tonight starts now. tonight, what women really want. okay. now that i've got your attention, i am no expert but my guests tonight are. some of the smartest. strongest women in this country. u.s. open champ. serena williams. >> if i could just hold that serve and win that game, i have a fighting chance. >> money guru, suze orman. >> my marry said an orman nerve gives up. >> gayle king.
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>> and lara spencer. >> use your voice like the boys do. >> we're talking politics. >> year of the first female president. >> 2016. don't you want to know who? >> your money -- and the question i just have to ask. >> women like very authoritative man in the bedroom. >> i think it's different strokes for different folks. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. i am not periods morgan. i'm donny deutsche, piers is on assignment. he enfighted me back to fill in for him. let's do something different. so i am bringing in four women i accomplish and admire. they are stars in their own fields. they are, first off, the woman of the moment, u.s. open champ. serena. serena in primetime. suze orman, the most recognized personal finance expert in the world and the one i would go to for advice and the one, the only
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gayle king, mom and the woman you've heard of. oprah. and lara spencer, she's the host of a show i can't think of the name of right now -- >> i can't either. >> we're going to play 20 question. leave your pundit hats at home. this is a show what women want. we're coming off the convention, a lot has happened. i want you talking as mom, working women, u.s. open champs, first, 30 seconds on that. wow. i was sitting at home, this is over, so just quickly, you're down 3-5. you're down in the service. give me the thought that goes through your head that says i'm turning this around. >> i thought if i can hold that serve and win that game i have a fighting chance. my main goal was to win that game and take a break. after that we would have a changeover and i would have time to take a little breather. and i felt i could get myself together and pull myself into
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the match. >> what was that squeal coming out of your opponent? >> that wasn't a squeal -- >> it t was a mating call. >> ohhhh. >> at that point, i thought does she need a hotel room? >> it didn't bother you? it bothered every one of us. didn't bother her. >> i thought it was lower than normal to be honest. i've played her a few times in our career. i was so focused on the match, i didn't even hear it. >> that was lower? >> donny, she was in -- >> we'll get back to that later. first question, basically, i want to throw something out. does it matter -- forget pro-choice, pro life. women today still make 70 cents on the dollar. in both adadministrations. does it make a difference for the working woman? >> yeah, it makes a difference. let me tell you why. in 2009 when president obama
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signed the lilly ledbetter act. forget about the 77 crept option a dollar. you don't want us to be a pundit. >> this is pundit, not putt. >> it allowed women to have more time to actually oppose and come and say, you're not treating me fairly. it allowed women to be able to have lesser stan dares for the corporations to stand up to. means more women are wing so they can earn more. that's a really important thing that happened. if you're opposing it and you want to get paid more money because you feel it hasn't been good. now you have more of a time to prove your case which wasn't true. >> ryan actually voted against that and romney has not been clear where i stands on that? >> he would argue he's been very clear on it. what we also need to look at,
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whatever becomes president of the united states. we have to make sure they can work with congress. it doesn't matter what your ideas are. if you don't have a congress working with you. while we're focusing on the two candidate, we also heed to focus on the congress and president of the united states working together. so far we haven't had great luck with that. >> it starts at home. we have to work with our little girl, teaching them to advocate for themselves to go in and ask for a raise. use your voice like the boys do. >> in woman's tennis, we have a lot of opportunity. women stood up for ourselves in the '70s, led by billie jean king who said we'll pay for the same amount of men. just recently we're able to have equal pay. because we're working as hard. >> i'm curious, you guys in the work place, i've employed thousands of women over the years. what i found without exception,
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men would come in asking for raises, if i don't get a raise -- women apologize -- if e seen -- >> celebrate yourself. >> that's interestingly fuf, you hit the nerve. that's what is going to change. not from the top up. not the president but a new generation of women. suze, i'm curious, to me i'll take a woman over a man any time. i'll explain that. if you give me equal man and woman. if you watch a saturday morning tv commercial. it's always four girls playing together and one boy going, i won. women want to be collaborative, and fair, women it's zero game. have you seen women are more reticent to ask for a raise? >> women put themselves on sale. i'll work, you don't have to pay me, it's all right. i don't need a vacation. pay raise we can go years out it
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so you can be okay. >> men, are you kidding? >> we're fixers. >> a woman's nature is nurture. she has the ability to give birth. her job is to take care of everybody. >> we're going change that. >> is the reason women are in this situation, and i've said this for years, is not because men are keeping us there. we're letting them keep us down. i get paid great money. i get paid top dollars. i'm a woman and it's because i won't put myself on sale and women have to meet -- >> quick question. obama had a four-point bounce. very, very substantial. speaking of the election, though, i got in trouble the other day with my friend on "the professionals." of course you have no idea what i'm talking about. >> i have noddy what i'm talk about. >> i do. >> and i said something interesting, it wasn't
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interesting that they smacked me around pretty good. you contrast the first women about their speeches, i said does this country vote that way anymore? i want shareholder value. i don't care who his wife is. is that naive? they're both great women. is that dumb guy talking? >> i think it can enhance it. >> they both have great marriages. >> they're teaching us a little bit. >> they're giving us information we might not otherwise have gotten. that's important to women. we want to know the whole story. >> give him situation what he thinks and believes. i think you're right, look at michelle obama. ann romney. i spent time with both of them. they are both top notch, both of them. nobody can argue about that. it does give you as lara says a look at what their husband believes. >> i think that's important. >> it also give ace look into the wife and how they react.
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>> how people can look at the president or potential president and see what tempers and they are, depending who they choose to be their forever mate. >> if this guys votes -- >> i don't think people vote with their pocketbooks at all. i think they vote with who they feel attracted to. >> as a human being. >> can come all of the way down to their hair cut. >> if your theory is right, clearly obama wins. >> katie couric debuts today. i have a theory. katie aside, the one host format that your dear friend, not just revolutionized, made, is not as relevant anymore. if you don't give people utility during the day, they don't want it. i'm not going to say katie is a failure, is that an old format? nothing to do with katie.
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we all love katie, gayle. >> when you say utility, what do you mean? >> it shows what suze does. the day of, here's the host and any of your celebrities, we do interesting subject matter -- >> is that a relevant subject matter anymore? >> i think there's room for something good. >> no, i know exactly where you're going. i look at shows that are coming on. everybody says i'm going be different. i'm not going to do what oprah did. i want to do what oprah did. that worked really well. >> but i do think that the time has come that maybe there's a different way of doing the talk show. i still think it's relevant. people like good conversation, they love celebrities. they are a celebrity obsessed culture. i think people like looking at things that are relatable to them. >> is that a talk show format? i'm not sure about that. when you're good, people find you. >> like a show with one guy and
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four women, something like that? >> yeah. >> i think it's more than one-on-one, i think it's like "the view." >> i think this generation, which has grown up. everybody can blog and everybody has their devices. one voice speaking at you. >> maybe it's a compilation of all of that. doing something digitally. you can interact with your fans and have one person speaking. i love the format of oprah. i love the great show. there's a void on the air of that. there's space for what is trying to find the right way to create it and the right person to do it. >> exactly. >> katie, going to be a home run, single, double? >> i think -- see what she did? >> you're an abc person. >> i've been a fan of her for a long time. so smart. she's going to pave her own way. there's no other oprah. if she stays authentic to herself, she'll be solid.
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>> here is the question. do we as women want katie to succeed? >> yes. >> sometimes women, and we do -- sometimes women, not on television, but it can be a competitive thing -- >> i think that happened to hillary first time around. >> okay, guy, guy, here's a tease, when we come back, security, sex and success all in one blog. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ]
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i'm donny deutsche. in for piers morgan. i'm surrounded by the most intelligent women. serena woman, gayle king, lara spencer and suze orman. we heard yesterday. about the killing of osama bin laden. we feel safer. as a mom, a woman, you don't have to take off your shoes anymore. would you say enough? i say you don't have to take off your shoes? >> i'm happy to take them off. i'm happy to go through whatever you need to do to make sure that me and my family and everybody on that plane is safe.
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it's not too much for me. >> it's not too much, but there are times when i see some people being asked to remove their kids or older people, and i go, really? do you have to do that? i'm with you, whatever you have to do to keep us safe. there's another part. that bothers me. i had to throw out contact lens solution, because it was over the 3 ounces. but it had never been opened. i'm for whatever you have to do to keep it safe. . i just came back from australia. never once had to remove my shoes, including coming back on the plane to the united states of america where something could have happened. can't we somehow -- >> it's always a pleasure to not to have to do it. but don't you understand? >> i get why, i don't get why after 11 years they have not figured out a more secure system, a system that makes sense. are they really that much safer? >> i'm with lara.
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whatever it takes. obviously you travel around. >> i do what it takes. after what happened september 11th, and being the anniversary so soon. as a nation it's something we can't forget. i always like to think once you put your guard down that's when people attack. that's when things happen. it's so important for us to stay awa awake. >> i'm thinking too, suze. i'm for whatever it takes too. isn't there another way? >> wasn't it great traveling through australia? not to do it in. >> wasn't it safe? >> the profile you touched on. to your point, is there anything wrong that we say, okay, there are certain suspects that are terrorists to not stop little 5-year-old scandinavian girls? is the line -- >> that's what i was thinking when you said that. gayle. you have to be -- it's not policing. >> what if somebody is using that 5-year-old girl. it's all or nothing. >> yep. >> right now it's all. >> and we'll keep it that way.
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>> speaking of all the range "fifty shades of grey" has been talked about a lot. the dumb guy talking. the success showed two things to me. number one there must be a lot of undersectioned women in america if they get so excited and two, most women want to be dominated in some form. because that was the corner of th that book. in that sexual thing, most women reacted to that positive -- >> let's hear your point of view. >> the real question, how many women on this panel read that book? >> i actual dli for research. >> no, it's not my kind of read. i'm an old-fashioned kind of person. i'm not into it. >> he was a very dominant character -- >> did you read it? >> i know the basic premise. does that show that's a nerve that hit -- i can only tell you from my own
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unscientific sampling of girlfriends thought it was so naughty and funny. and they are all married. it enabled them to talk about something that before this book, it touch aid nerve with all due respect. it enabled them to talk about -- and maybe expand their sex life after 10, 15 years when they wanted to push the envelope. >> the women i talked about, is -- >> a very -- >> are you a spanker? >> absolutely not. >> i learned that women do like very strong men. i have yet to see women -- >> i don't want spanking of any kind. i don't want gentle spanking, hard spanking. i like soft caressing -- >> are you a spanker? >> you want the man to take control. serena? women like a very authoritative man in the bedroom. >> yeah, i think it's just
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different strokes for different folks. >> come on. i'm just being honest. not everyone likes the same thing. >> are you a spanker? >> your honor, i would like you to answer that question. >> that's inappropriate. t i think -- >> go ahead. >> i think, you know, just -- it just brought out a lot of maybe different feelings among different women that do like more things that are dominant, and like to be -- >> you're a physically striiy - beautiful woman, very physically strong. is that intip dating to men? >> i think it is. >> i'm curious, do you run into that? >> i run into the intimidation factor. i think it's important to find that balance and find someone who can balance you mentally and
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spiritually and everything else. >> exactly. if it's not the guy for you, not the guy that -- >> someone that can just be friends. >> see, i'm not the guy -- i'm staying like this. lady, when we come back, we talk about living happily ever after in hollywood. don't go anywhere. humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems.
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i'm back with four incredible women. lara spencer, gayle king, suze orman, serena williams. wow. we had hollywood divorce. new engagement. ryan reynolds and blake livery. >> they got married. >> i love that they did it in secret in south carolina. we didn't know about it until it's done. >> so it can be done. >> can the hollywood marriages last? we went through katie and tom. is it almost arithmetically impossible to have paul newman,
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joanne woodward much. >> i don't think anything is impossible. i believe in glove r love and believe you can find it if you find the right person. a lot of types peoe look, and say, we do this in common, we do this together. or, i can relate with you on that. you have to watch out for those emotions and look for real love. >> i'm told i'm naive. i'm like you, the hopeless romantic. i believe if you meet the right person. it's not just hollywood marriage, it's marriage in general. back in the day, you dying in your 40s. now you're living at 80, 90. and looking at your spouse saying i don't know how i feel about you anymore. i still believe it's possible. >> kids today -- obviously, we've got parents around the table here, is there a trivialization.
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you see -- >> it's not disposable. >> doesn't matter -- are we sending a message? we see these marriages with all of the gossip magazines we have. are we raising a generation where it's much more disposable? >> i worry about that. >> worry about it today. i think you're right to worry. if things get tough. it doesn't mean that you move on. you know, you buckle down and work hard. >> that's the way my mom and dad did it. that doesn't mean it always will work. i get it. but i mean far too often, you know what, it just got hard. >> i did an interview with drake, the rapper drake. i'm nuts about him. he's a 20-something guy, his ashes got divorced at a very early age. i was asking about relationship, does he think he's capable. he said i saw my parents fight, but he didn't see them fight through. that's a great thing for somebody who is 20-something.
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i'm not saying stay in a bad marriage if you're being abused or there's serial infidelity. but i think so many times people give up far too early. >> we were talking on the break. my dad had injury this weekend. watching my parents 83 together, loving each other. that's 59 years the way they care for each other. i'm sure it wasn't perfect at times. it was so, so beautiful. >> that's no longer the norm, donny. today the stats are one out of two people who get married end up in divorce. the number one reason is argument over money. >> money and sex. >> it's interesting, there's no such thing as divorce in the philippines. what does that mean? no, you cannot get divorced in the philippines. >> i need the option. >> one extreme to the other. we don't have a role model. the point you make is great. now our vows mean nothing.
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>> serena, you're aall incredibly famous. how can that be normal? whatever you do is pulled apart, ripped apart. you how do you live normal? >> for me, i'm a norral individual. i'm a normal pen when i get out of my tennis world. >> the world doesn't let you be normal. >> to a point you are how you want to be treated. i go to the grocery store, to the mall and in my normal clothes and act normal. people see new that environment and feel you're touchable and relatable. it's easier to vey normal life. >> speaking of not normal -- i'll say something, you get angry at men. every time i say something, i get in trouble. why do you care? >> they're the royals. >> we are such an evolved society. they are what they are. >> it's like children. >> everything is going crazy.
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>> people still believe in fairy tales and tradition of it. i was so smitten with princess diana. i never met her. i got up at 4:00 in the morning to watch the wedding, 4:00 a. mchl to watch the funeral and so worried about their sons. i think people are holding on to that. nice to see william -- >> when that whole thing came out -- >> leave harry alone. >> my feeling is he's just a young guy. we have a generation that accepts that. i think young people -- >> he's not just a young guy, he is in a successor, possibly of the throne. he has a responsibility to act in a certain way that's part of the tradition, that's part of his righteousness. >> does that mean serena, as a tennis star, does she vn v an obligation to young peep to act a certain way? >> no. i don't think so. not to me.
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>> i say leave him alone. he's single. he's in a private room. he's not out in public behaving this way. he was betrayed by someone. i'm more upset with the person that betrayed him. does it come with responsibility? absolutely yes. at some point you have to figure out a way to surround yourself with people who will protect you. he's entitled to have a good time. >> yeah, i actually believe today we have what i'll call the accepting digital generation that understands they're going to be photographed and i think are future presidents and future particul olympic stars and heads of state should expect -- >> photographed in a private room? >> i think it's impossible for somebody to live -- right now there's a president of the united states who is 22 years old. there's no way this man or woman has gone through the past 30 years or next 30 years of his life completely in a bubble.
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somebody can't take out a camera and show him smoking a joint. >> michael phelps. >> when we come back, our own realty, katie holm, very, very interesting. post tom cruise here rowism. we'll talk about it. don't go anywhere. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! put it on my spark card! [ high-pitched ] nice doin' business with you! [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve the most rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet?
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i'm donny deutsche, sitting in for my good buddy piers morgan with four incredible women, serena with, suze orman, la gayle king, lara springer. >> does piers know we're here? >> piers don't know i'm here. >> katie holmes four years ago was an actress. now seen by many as a hero, because she divorced tom cruise. >> what the word you used? >> hero, donny? >> i'll ask it another way. not hero because she got divorced. but a lot of people got under the control of tom cruise. >> i heard es skapd.
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>> not my word. >> better word, lara, thank you, escaped. what is it? >> divorce is very painful. i don't care who you are. if you wanted it. >> even if you want a divorce. it's still a very painful -- >> you know there's something different going on here. is it because he was a bigger movie star and she came out on top? is it because of scientology? >> it's because people really didn't understand -- a lost people didn't understand what it was. i saw the two of them together. i'm telling you, i believed when i saw the two of them together. i believed they were in love with each other. no one knows exactly how they got together. you're hearing all of the stories about she was interviewed and recruited. i don't know what's true about that. when you saw the two of them together and interacting with each other. that was very believable to me. >> lara. >> now people don't know. nobody knows what goes on between a man and women behind closed doors. >> here's what i applaud. they did it quickly and do d
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it -- keeping their daughter in the forefront the entire time. that's the priority. you know, i don't know -- how that all happened, so quickly and we probably never will. their daughter was clearly the most important thing to them. women appreciate -- >> you're rolling your eyes. >> i don't care about her and tom cruise. they got divorced. i don't know them. i'm glad they talk to each other. mazal tov, i don't personally care. >> suze, divorce is very, very tough on kids. that's just the way it is. they've done a good job thus far seemingly keeping it out of the the media. >> the details. the details. >> all right -- >> it's uplifting, guys. >> serena, i want to go uplifting. can you help me do uplifting, please? because we're all very upset about that.
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i was watches last night, and i was like holy moly, the way you dug, turned it around much there's people facing eminently more important things. please go with me on this. whether they just lost their job. give somebody a little pep talk about what you find inside of you at that moment that might translate to somebody at home that needs to get off the mat, so to speak. >> for me, i live by the motto, never give up. you grow up hearing never give up. but you really got to take that to heart and say, okay, i'm in the hospital right now. like my sister, for instance, she's going through so much. she has the sjogren's disease. she's still competing and still playing. she never gives up hope or belief in herself that she or anyone can do what she has a dream of doing. i visit hospitals all of the time, children's hospital they
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have cancer, leukemia. all kinds of diseases yet they smile. that inspires me to realize, i can be in the darkest of holes in the darkest of positions, but i know there's someone out there that i can help, i can change their life if i just never quit. that's just the mantra that i live by. >> did you ever doubt yourself yesterday? >> i did, i did. at one point i was not playing well. i thought, gosh, i may as well think about what i am going to say. it was a brief thought and i snapped right back. and then i just have to break and hold and break and hold. then i thought -- there's so many different thoughts that went through my mind and some of them are negative. that's normal. you have negative moment and negative thought. what's important you don't let it overcome you and take priority. you let it slide and let the positive thoughts come -- >> suze, you were waiting tables at one point. you had it tough. what was the turning point for you? >> believe it or not. very much the same is that an
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orman -- my mother taught me an orman nerve gives up. my mother was a secretary. she sold avon to support the family. she always said, suze, an orman never gives up. i think the key thing here. >> i'm sorry about your mom, by the way. >> for those who don't know. last week, september 4th. mama, went to be with god. that's all right. she was 97. she live aid great life. but you don't -- see, the real question is, donny, isn't what do we do? it's why do we do it? why were you able to reach down inside and not give up? why am i to say, above all odds, i'm going to do that. what makes me be that warrior. don't know how to answer it. >> fire in the belly. >> it's that thing, where does this come from?
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>> some say it came from the parents. >> when we come back, each one of you, what year will be our first female president? >> that's easy. >> i think that's easy too. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade.
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back with our fabulous four. okay. this is the lightning round. let start, gayle. year of the first female president. what year. >> 2016. don't you want to know who? >> i'm assuming -- that's a hillary? >> yes. i would imagine, we are not going to get a big debate. >> 2016. hillary. >> i guess i'll go what with everyone else says. >> i'm in for 2016 also. >> next one. madonna. yankee stadium. looking great. i'm going to get my stone tickets. at what age does it get so ridiculous, where we finally stop going? >> i hope never. bruce springsteen is 63. he has more energy than anybody i've ever seen on the stage. >> as long as you're still having fun. >> as long as your knees good, i
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say go for it. >> i hope never. age doesn't determine how old you really are. >> i think the answer is never. once we let them sit down, we have to sit down. it's all about us. >> clint eastwood. should i have stayed home or was there some magic that we might have missed? >> i think he did what he set out to do. he doesn't need to stay home. he has an opinion, he shared it. >> he doesn't need to stay home. but i don't know if magic is the word we saw. >> i think that hurt the party. >> it's never good when your appearance overshad doed the party. >> mistake? >> i think for the party he should have stayed home. for him, i liked seeing him myself up there. >> i love clint eastwood. >> does that make him expendable? >> no, no. >> you heard him explain.
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he got the ideas moments before he went out. hey, can somebody get him a chair. the guy gave him a chair so he could sit down. he thought of it on the cuff. >> he's clint, he can do whatever he wants. >> let's show that picture of obama literally picked up, i think in a pizza place? >> that's awesome. >> would that have happened with mitt romney and what would he have done? let's start with you, serena? >> no, i don't think so. that's what i love about the president. he's so down to earth. you see him at a basketball game. you never see that before. >> that's kind of choreographed. >> do you think that was staged? >> no, when you see him at baseball games -- no, no, of course that was not staged. the question is, what would mitt have done in that situation? >> i have no idea what mitt would do there or any situation for that matter. however there's something about that picture that's wonderful. that's the picture that evoked
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the love people have for president obama that they feel like, i love what you've done for me so much, here you go, big boy. love that. >> and he was a republican. the pizza owner guy was a republican who picked him up. >> he went and gave him a hug instead of a hand shake shows a lot about his character. >> he said i'm voting for you, president obama. but when you ask about mitt has humor. he does have a sense of humor. >> he should. i mean, that's the kind we want to feel that you're one of us. >> if he has a sense of humor, why is it not possible that people can't see that, what is it about him? you spent time with him on camera and off camera. >> he said, oh, yes, i love laurel and hardy. that doesn't sound like -- >> he loves modern family and seinfeld. he told us that too.
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he has a sense of humor. clearly there's been trouble translating that. i get that. he absolutely has a sense of humor. how did that fly with secret service. >> how did that actually happen. >> were they like, very to get in, i have to get in? i marvel at that. when you look at the video, you don't see anybody running to say, hey. i'd like to know how that actually happened. >> it was staged. i'm not saying it was, it's almost inconceivable they wouldn't jump. >> if he does -- you've seen those guys, they never smile. if the boss says he could give me a bear hug, give him a bear hug. >> can we go back to what you just said? they love watching modern family. what do they love about watching modern family? do they love the fact that that means they're never going to let gay marriage happen, so it's
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we are back with serena williams, gail king suze orman. interesting question to wind down with. two women, kim kardashian, kate middleton. kim kardashian, like her or not, has made ton her own. and kate middleton. who's more of a role model for our daughters? suze? >> if you didn't know, just on the surface, because who knows them, really. i would have to say it would be kate middleton because of how she conducts herself.
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in the same way i think she has the ability to be another princess di. >> let me challenge that for a second in that, not everyone's going to have the option of marrying a prince. here's another woman who doesn't have any skills set and turned it into an empire. >> you have to have some skill set don't you to turn it into an empire? >> we all know how she started. you fast forward to where she is today, you can say she's become a success in business. and the thing about kate middleton when you say marry into royalty. i'm assuming there was a their there. you don't just marry into royalty. >> a role model to point to for your daughter. >> you can take something from both of them. i'm going to take the sex tape out of it. you look at the success that kim has, can you not argue with that. i sue you, suze rolling your
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eyes -- >> i don't think the goal of life is simply to be successful, to accumulate massive amounts of wealth. the goal in life is to have integrity, honest, whatever it may be. but it's not -- i'm not sure, 7 # days of marriage, i'm not sure you guys. >> i think each of the -- i'm going to give a politically correct answer, because i do know kim and she's a great girl. i think a lot of kids do look up to her for what she has been able to do. you look at the girl who says my best chance of becoming successful, maybe i can't marry her or look at the other girl who has more of a chance to be like kate who obviously is beautiful and extremely classy, and extremely amazing. of course she's a great role model. she has to be, she's royalty now. >> you can hear my 7-year-old obsessed with kate middleton, just thinks she is --
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>> it's interesting, kim gets knocked as a role model, no drugs, drinking. they're both great women. >> she's a sweetheart and she works hard. >> before we go, lara, flea market flip on hgtv. suze orman check her out on cnbc. and serena, check out mission athlete care, on hsn. what will you going to be sell something. >> a whole new serena collection. >> do you mind if we take over for two seconds to say we've chosen a woman of the week, it's unanimous, it is the one and only. >> serena. >> it's also robin roberts and we're sending her so many prayers and today it begins. i want her to know we've been talking about her the whole show. >> love you, robin. we