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running italy for the past decade was too busy at parties because the prostitutes never went on strike. seriously, if they dealt with giving workers a fair deal or tough love, maybe the country would be stronger and the cruise ship passengers could get their justice. justice. ac 3 0 starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- the pilot of flight 214 is talking to investigators a. heroic flight attendant is talking about why there wasn't an immediate evacuation and gary tuchman saying what they may have seen, heard and felt as the approach went wrong. for the first time since their rescue, three young women are telling the world what think went through in their captivity. we begin with the zimmerman trial, moving fast but going
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late this evening. defense and prosecution going over a computer generated react mtd of the deadly struggle. the defense wants to enter it as evidence, the prosecution says it is not evidence, just a sophisticated illustration of the defense's version of events and would be prejudice. the judge is trying to decide whether to allow this simulation, essentially this an mission in. let's list in a briefly. >> i can look at what it is you're seeking to have introduced without having his testimony proffered and make that decision. is that what he's going to be called for, is that he was able to obtain certain information, either text messages, videos or pictures off of trayvon martin -- >> this morning the judge said
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she would devote to 45 minutes to arguments. she was being optimistic on that. the arguments have been going back and forth. she said she'll reconvene tomorrow. in other ways, the trial speedy. the defense plans to rest tomorrow but not before calling more witnesses to bolster the case while george zimmerman suffering a life-threatening beating while crying for help shot trayvon martin. let's give you a sense of what happened today. >> reporter: dr. vincent di maio said the bullet hole in trayvon martin's clothing and body proved a point, it was martin on top of george zimmerman as they struggled. a gunshot expert said he could tell it was martin on top of zimmerman because even though the gun was touching the hoodie, the hoodie was not touching martin's skin. >> the fact we know the clothing was 2 to 4 inches away is consistent with somebody leaning
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over the person doing the shooting, and that the clothing is 2 to 4 inches away from the person firing. >> reporter: di maio countered the medical examiner's testimony for the prosecution who said martin could have survived and suffered up to ten minutes after she was shot. di maio said shot in the heart, martin would have been unconscious in 10 to 15 seconds. >> he's going to be dead within 1 to 3 minutes after being shot in this case. >> reporter: finally, demayo testified that zimmerman's injuries fit his account saying his review of photographs indicated zimmerman's head suffered at least six impacts against a hard surface. >> is this insjury consistent with mr. zimmerman's head having impacted a sidewalk? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: the prosecution jumped on a key question that
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the defense expert couldn't answer. >> you're not testifying here as to who started what led up to the death of trayvon mart snn. >> that is correct sir. >> and not saying who attacked who, whether it was george zimmerman who attacked trayvon martin or whether it was trayvon martin that attacked george zimmerman, you can't say that, correct? >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> and you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself, in terms of when this first started? >> when it first started, that's correct, sir. >> reporter: the prosecutor got the witness to admit the defense was paying di maio $400 an hour for his expertise, but di maio said the case didn't require a lot of his time. >> up to yesterday, $2400. this is not exactly a complicated case, forensically. >> reporter: the state was also able to get the pathologist to
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say it's possible trayvon martin could have been trying to move away just before the shot was fired. >> at that point you don't know if trayvon martin was backing up, backing away in terms of providing an angle or whether he was going forward, you can't say? >> all i said is it's consistent with his account, mr. zimmerman's account, that's all. >> it's also consistent with trayvon martin pulling back in terms of providing the same angle. >> i told you that, too, yes, sir. >> reporter: the last testimony of the day was from zimmerman's former neighbor too ill to appear in person. she joined a growing witness of witnesses who said she believes the voice screaming for help sounded like george zimmerman. >> based on the fact i've only heard george's voice and it's a male voice, i would say it was his. >> and when you say you've heard him talk, tell us again, about how long you've known him. >> by that time, it was two and
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a half years. >> reporter: perhaps the most powerful statement didn't take place on the stand, but when mark o'mara said the defense planned to rest wednesday. martin savidge, cnn san ford, florida. >> i want to dig deeper into the day's events with our panel of legal analyst and prosecutor sunny hostin and marsha clark, her latest thriller is called "killer ambition" and danny and mark cgaragos and lawrence here in manhattan. first of all, the neighbor that testified, do you think anybody buys that? if some neighbor of mine testified about what my voice sounds like when i'm screaming, how would a neighbor know this? >> you know, there's a more scenical view as to why they
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play that neighbor's video in court today and i won't inflame an antiinflammatory situation. nobody is saying this is scenical or ultimate in terms of piece of evidence they put on. i have to say that i'm a little scenical about this. >> sunny, what about you? how do you think it played in the courtroom? did it make any sense to you? >> not really. i mean, it's sort of the law dim minute in this ca diminishing returns now. zimmerman's mom and uncle say those are his cries. i think that's okay f. you have close friends saying, okay, you know, those were his cries. but now you've got everybody but, you know, the mailman saying those were his cries, and i think the -- you know, the defense is in trouble now because what was very effective at one point now is sort of like a joke. everyone in the courtroom in the courthouse joking about it right
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now. so i think they have over stepped at this point. >> marsha, we were talking i think just last night about the idea of kind of over trying this case. do you think that's an example of over trying the case or are there other motives for bringing that person? >> it's always a danger when you over play your hand and i think they really played on this 911 call so heavily already, and then piling on with this last witness, which, you know, you've already made the point and so has mark, it's really obvious what they did with this witness. you can really very much alienate your jury. if they see you're playing your hand this way and manipulating them this way. i'm not sure it did them more good than harm. i'm not sure. >> let's talk about the medical examiner witness, the forensic witness, dr. di maio. i want to play something he said. he was clearly a much more confident witness than the medical examiner who testified for the prosecution who had a note in front of him, didn't seem to know much about the case and changing opinions.
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i want to play some of what dr. di maio said today. >> if you pulled my heart out now i could just keep talking and talking and talking for -- and just talking and talking and talking without a heart? >> that's right. >> okay -- >> for 15 seconds or so. >> right. it's between 10 and 15 seconds. it's depending on the oxygen supply to the head, and that's why some of the swat people will prefer shooting somebody in the head. >> right. >> if it's a situation where the person has a gun on somebody else. >> okay. now even though my heart is gone, i would still feel pain or would i not? >> yeah, you would still feel pain. >> is there this true? i find this fascinating that you can actually live for 15 seconds or speak for 15 seconds with your heart ripped out? >> when the heart stops beating, you have clinical death. and you have a depletion of
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oxygen to the brain. as dr. di maio pointed out there is oxygen where the brian functions well for 15 or 20 seconds. thereafter, cells start to die by about five or six minutes, the entire brain is dead and the brain waves go flat. you -- you really are dead legally, and so i think what he said was very crucial because we know that george zimmerman said that after he shot trayvon martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues
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home. we're talking about some -- even though he says it's not a complex case and he's probably right from a forensic stand point, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live. the idea of reaching into your heart and yanking it out. even though none of us have seen that, except maybe a movie, we can imagine that and that drives it home. it under skorcores the importan of having an expert that knows what he's talking about. if they can't communicate it, they aren't worth when you pay. >> mark, you've used this guy on the stand in cases of your own. does the jury -- they got out on evidence he's been paid so far some $2,000, $2400. does the jury hold that against from him? >> no, but i do. i've never got any way with paying him $2400. i can't remember the last
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defense forensic expert who only charged $2400. it's shocking to me, number one. no, i don't think they hold it against him. and especially when you contrast it with the emmy for the state who was, you know, i'm sure a very nice man but not the most effective communique tore. i think the reason, it's not the tail wagging of the dog. they are not effective because they are a super star. they achieve it because they are effective in the way they communicate to jurors and lay people and that's what you want. i mean, the lawyers that are best, the people that are best in a courtroom are ones that can take what are seemingly complex concepts and distill them down. >> yeah. >> and he's clearly, one of those guy whose can do it. >> we have to take a quick break. we'll have you back at 10:00. everyone else stick around. in the making of that
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again, the zimmerman trial going into extra hours tonight. the defense fighting to enter a computer reenactment into evidence. the prosecution saying it would prejudice the jury. the judge will rule on it tomorrow morning, wednesday morning. the technical say face case is remarkble. details from randi kaye. >> reporter: this is one picture of what might have happened in the moments before trayvon martin was killed. this 3 d computer animation of the confrontation between trayvon martin and george zimmerman. the reenactment comes from a witness for the defense. his company contrast forensics claims to be the on company with wireless motion capture technology. he use as motion capture suit to track the movements. on the company's youtube channel
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we found this reenactment from another case. he reconstructed a poor quality security camera video showing a pedestrian hit by a vehicle. see how the wireless motion capture suit captures the movements at every location. he uses accelrometers to get the most accurate movements. he used to use a tape measure and lasers. now he creates a series of points at a scene, sometimes as many as 500, all in 3 d space. s he says it's the most accurate on the market. >> the laser follows me around, so it only takes one person to operate. >> reporter: in court he told the judge how he created the model in this case and whether or not it matched the same conditions as the night zimmerman met marten. >> talk to me about the conditions. i assume it was filmed in the
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daytime. >> correct. >> i assumed it wasn't raining? >> correct. >> glass wasn't slick? >> correct. >> okay. there weren't these other items of physical evidence out there? >> correct -- correct. >> reporter: schumaker said he recreated the witness statements not in dispute. >> the scenarios are consistent with testimony witnesses, evidence at the scene. >> reporter: still, the prosecution argued against showing the animation to the jury claiming it's an inaccurate depiction of the confrontation. his technology and others like it are also used by police agencies, even by the entertainment industry for animated movies like avatar. >> the suit that i have, it was used in avatar, iron man, x men and they use it for creating movements of the charters in the
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movies, and it also is used in games, gaming like madden football. >> reporter: as we wait for the judge to rule whether the animation can be shown to the jury, shhe says if it is reject, it will be the first time in his 13 years of doing this his animations rekeyuations were not allowed to be used. >> this obviously, going to be an important ruling for the defense and prosecution. let's go back to our panel. just, any of the four of you, do any of you believe this judge will admit into this into evidence? okay. >> i like the resounding silence. >> marsha clark, why not? too prejudice? >> no, not too hollywood. you have to have a certain level of accuracy and recreation of the conditions. as was pointed it, it wasn't
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raining, it wasn't nighttime, you didn't have certain other physical pieces of evidence in the scene that were present. to make this relevant and in or order to make it more probative you have to show that. he doesn't have it. i'm surprised he hasn't been refused admission of this reenactment before but it may be because he hasn't entered it into a criminal trial before -- >> exactly. >> danny, you think that's the case? in this video you see trayvon martin hitting george zimmerman first. that's -- i mean, that's zimmerman's side of the story. >> exactly. we can talk about iron man suits and video games and i would agree if these two parties, trayvon and zimmerman were wearing these, this would be admissible but that's the problem. it's the under lying data being fed into the super computer.
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what is that data? based on statements. the data coming in is questionable. that the the prosecution's evidence. if it was demonstrative exhibit, that's different. the science is good, technology is good but that's only good for iron man. it's not good if the underlying data doesn't support or demonstrate accurately what happened. >> are you surprised, mark, that it got this far in terms of the judge giving so much to each side to discuss this and wait until tomorrow to rule on this? >> no, not at all. i agree or hate to sound like an echo chamber here, but my guess is that i'm sure i'll get an e-mail from this gentleman tonight, but my guess is that he's always had one of these in a civil case where you're fighting over money. and this is not a civil case, obviously. having said that, i've seen and i've actually been on the receiving end in the l.a. county
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da's office where they don't have animated but murder cases where they have somebody throwing for instance a watermelon in the backyard to demonstrate how the murder took place and that's admissible. i think the reason the judge actually is struggling with this is there is a good or some case law which would suggest that when the defense has a theory, and they've got a recreation of it, they can get that in, and the problem is is how they have recreated it here, and i think that's what she's struggling with. i think her honor is struggling with the idea of well, even if he's basing it on what george zimmerman's account is, is the way that they have done it true to it like a hypothetical question so to speak, or is this really taking liberties? she doesn't want to be in a position where in the unlikely event they get a conviction,
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that this goes up on appeal and some justice on the court of appeal rules, hey, you should have let that in. that was an important piece of defense evidence and there for we'll reverse the conviction. >> the court is still arguing now, court is still in session being discussed about texts or tweets apparently in which trayvon martin had seemed to have a conversation indicating he knew how to fight or had been in fights. the prosecution is saying look, this is prejudicial and the defense is saying no, this is going to whether he knew how to fight or throw a punch? >> this is like the marathon hearing day. they have been at this for quite some time, and i'm sure everyone is exhausted. this is an issue that's been looming over this trail for awhile. we heard about text messages,
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pictures of trayvon martin holding a gun, perhaps conducting a transaction to buy a gun. you know, i don't know that this type of evidence comes in. i mean, if the judge gave any indication of where she was leaning pretrail, he said pretail, no, no, no, this is not coming in and now they are revisiting it at the end of the case. of course, they would like to get this information in. first of all, it's not real vent and more prejudicial -- >> sunny? >> yes, mark. >> i didn't hear the arguments. did the defense argue for this admission that once the prosecution brought up the mma fighting from the records, that this puts that onto the table? was that the defense argument? >> the argument that was just made and i know sunny, you're outside the courtroom because you've been on the show but i just got as a tweet, one of the
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arguments the defense is making, i don't know if they specifically reference the mma thing but said the state -- that it's not about reputation. it's about physical capabilities, about martin's knowledge of fighting, knew what it was like to fight from the bottom, and apparently there was a tweet from somebody saying to trayvon martin, when are you going to teach me to fight? that's indication that he knew how to fight and was, you know, had been discussing -- >> see, i can see where the defense would be arguing, look, there's been testimony about somebody on top, mma style or pound and ground and things of that nature and that the prosecution got in the references in the records to mma fighting, which then caused that, you know, the trainer to come in yesterday and that would be -- she may struggle -- her honor may struggle with this and may do a solomon thing judges do. she may eliminate the animation
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and say i'll let you have the tweets. the charge against george zimmerman. he's charged with second-degree murder but there is another option. prosecutors could ask the jury to consider a lesser charge that could put him behind bars for decades if charged. also, investigators interviewed pilot from the asiana plane crash. what the plane was flying way too slowly. we know it was flying too slowly. why that was, coming up. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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well, there's been a lot of talk about whether george zimmerman was overcharged when the decision came and he would
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face second-degree murder. the prosecution has the option to go for a lesser charge if they asked judge. because of a stat tute in flori, he could face decades in jail still. >> we're on the record, state versus george zimmerman. >> reporter: the prosecution wants to see george zimmerman behind bars for the rest of his life, but to do so, they need a second-degree murder conviction, and to do that, prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman intended to kill trayvon martin out of hatred. >> trayvon martin was murdered in the back of two sets of townhomes. there's no streetlighting back there. there's no pole lights. there were one or two porch lights on. >> george zimmerman is not guilty of murder. he shot trayvon martin in self-defense after being
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viciously attacked. >> reporter: but if the prosecutors see their case slipping away, there is another option that could still put zimmerman behind bars for years. if requested and allowed by the judge, the prosecutors can ask the jury to consider lesser charges like aggravated assault, which still carries the potential for decades in prison due to a florida state statute called the 10-20 life law. it's dubbed the use a gun and you're done law after a popular psa campaign that newly-elected jed bush signed into law in 1999. it basically means with certain crimes in the state of florida, if you use a gun you face enhanced time in prison or mandatory minimum sentences like ten years for showing a gun, 20 years for firing it, and 25 to life if you injure or kill
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someone. california is the only other state to have this specific law but a lot of states have gun enhancement laws on the books that bump up the maximum time you might spend in prison. the rules just don't leave room for interpretation and they argue a judge is better equipped to use his or her discretion when assigning prison time, than say a legislature is. >> you would expect the blood in the sweatshirt, correct? >> reporter: for the zimmerman case, many legal experts say the proos c prosecutors may have to include the charges like manslaughter, which in this case carries a maximum sentence of 15 years, unless, of course, a gun is used, and then that time is doubled. in the end, the prosecution's level of confidence will likely determine just what charges they will go after. >> our panel joins us again.
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sunny hostin, former l.a. deputy marsha clark and criminal defense attorney danny and mark c garagos. what do you think the opt is for a lesser charge? >> there is no question the jury will be charged on second degree and -- second degree murpder and manslaughter. i mean, that's a lesser included offense and the way i read the statute, it has to be done and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there is evidence to support manslaughter. so this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on. if they convict him at all. >> marsha, that's how it goes. it's up to the jury. they can go for second-degree murder or manslaughter. it's not one or the other? >> exactly. anderson, it's very, very common. i mean, manslaughter is what's called a lesser included offense within second-degree murder and a rare case when the manslaughter instruction is not give when you have a murder charge like this and the jury
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makes the call. >> marsha, you think that in the summation by the prosecution, that once they are allowed to give their version of vents and kind of tie all the pieces together, you think they may still be able to make a second-degree murder case? >> it can happen, anderson. we feel the way we feel. minute by minute we dissect what happened the day before and the minute before, but what we forgot is inconsistent statements, rachel jeantel's testimony. when the prosecutor actually stands up and puts it together, you may see a much more compelling picture more indicative of second-degree murder than manslaughter. that's possible. >> from the defense prospective, mark, they acquit him on second-degree murder but convict
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him of a lesser charge, some on those prison terms in florida carry a comparative prison sentence. >> it's the defense that wants the lesser included and because you have a lesser punishment. here in california, remember how this works. what is explained to the jury is first you decide the murder charge. if you find not guilty on the murder, then you work down to the manslaughter, basically, the difference between the two is whether or not there is malice. so all of this talk about ill will and the level and intent and everything else is for the jury to decide. if they can't find malice, they work down. normally the defense wants the lesser because it's punishment by much less or doesn't have what is the l next to it for life. here, you have that. so the defense is going to be in the position of saying no, we want all or nothing, the judge is going to give the lesser
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included. it's a no-brainer so to speak and up to the jury to decide whether once they make the decision, if they find not guilty on the murder, then they have to move to the manslaughter, find not guilty there, and then boom -- >> right. >> you're done. >> danny, what school of thought are you on? because do you believe that it's a mistake for the prosecutor to over charge, if that -- if it turns out second-degree murder isn't what they go for, or do you think that's a smart thing for the prosecutors to do -- >> i don't think it's a mistake. since i'm not a proos csecutor, can't speak to it. when you over charge you hold yourself to a higher burden. co same thing with the casey anthony case. there is the chance by gambling and over charging you hay sour a jury that you could have gotten away with the first time. critics say that it's a tool. if you over charge, then you can
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get the defendant to come to the table and say look, if you're -- if your knees are rattling about second-degree murder, let's talk manslaughter, let's talk aggravated assault. if your client is in, in custody that is, that usually softens them up and maybe they are more willing to think about it. >> thanks very much. quick reminder tonight and every night, 10:00 p.m. eastern, a full hour of the george zimmerman trial and ac 360 special report starts at 10:00, an hour and 23 minutes from now. what federal investigators are focussing on trying to determine the cause of the asiana crash and the heroism of a flight attendant worried only about passengers. >> and a criminal act may be connected to the plain that derailed and exploded in canada. 15 dead and dozens missing. more on that ahead.
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>> breaking news tonight in canada. investigators say there is evidence of criminal tampering aboard a train that detrailed. they haven't revealed what the evidence is. earlier they checked to see if the brakes were disabled. nobody was at the controls at the time of the accident. the train was loaded with crude oil when it derailed, burst into an inferno that wiped out part of a town. the rail road company said they may have fired down an engine before it derailed.
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what caused that asiana airways jet to crash on saturday kill twog paing two passenger? new details released on the investigation. the pilot in the driver;s seat was training to fly the 777 aircraft, although two experienced pilots were in the cockpit with him. the speed of the jet, operation of the immane instruments and p performance. >> reporter: investigators gathering perhaps the most crucial evidence in the investigation, in depth interviews with the pilots of the plane. >> all of the crew members have been very cooperative and very forthright with our team. >> reporter: it's clear the plane was flying too slowly. three seconds before the crash it was 103 knots, needed to be 137 knots to land safely. so why was the plane so slow? initially views of the flight data recorders don't appear to show any mechanical problems with the aircraft before the crash. the pilots told ntsb
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investigators they set the auto throttle to maintain descent speed. investigators will determine if it was set properly. >> we are now going to be looking at flight data recorder information to validate parameters associated with the auto pilot and automation, things like the autothough throttles. we need to work to understand what the different modes are, what can be selected and what the crew understood. >> reporter: what the crusade they did understand too late was that the aircraft was way too low and slow. >> we have a flying pilot, and we have two other pilots that are in the cockpit and they have a monitoring function. one of the very critical things that needs to be monitored on an approach to landing is speed, and so we need to understand what was going on in the cockpit and also what was going on with the aircraft. >> reporter: the asiana flight
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crew was in the tested for drugs and alcohol after the crash as a u.s. flight crew would have been and at least one emergency chute inflated inside the plane. the ceo does not believe the plane it's such was faulty but did not suggest the pilots were at fault, either. the ntsb will interview the entire crew, including the flight attendants who are credited with saving lives after the crash. two were ejected right after the first impact. flight attendant lee was the last person to leave the aircraft and reportedly carried injuried passengers, some twice her size on her back to safety, everyone though she herself had a fractured tailbone. >> that's incredible about this flight attendant. i understand she revealed some information about a conversation she had with the pilot immediately after the crash.
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what did she say? >> that's exactly right. this is a veteran flight attendant. she had been with the airline for two decades. the plane crashed. she goes to the cockpit doors, knocks on the door to see if the pilots were okay. she then asks if she should begin the evacuation procedures and initially told no, which is very puzzling and of course, that's going to be part of the investigation. you wouldn't want to have those passengers on the plane a moment longer than they have to be. >> it's awesome what she did. dan simon, thanks. it will be a long time before the ntsb reaches a conclusion but tonight we want to get an idea of what it was like inside the cockpit as the crew approached san francisco airport on saturday. gary tuchman takes a look. >> reporter: we are flying into san francisco international airport. >> so here we are approaching the runway 2 a left like the asiana crew was dere doing.
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>> reporter: we're flying on a flight simulator in hayward, california. >> we're coming in at 137 knots this is what their view out the window would have looked like that thoday on the 777. at a certain point here the pilot disconnects the auto pilot this is common because it allows the crew to continue to maintain proficiency in flying the airport as opposeed to auto pilot operations. >> reporter: but it can be done. you can land without doing anything? >> if you wanted to, this airplane would land itself and stop without touching a button. >> reporter: an electronic guide system was out of commission when the plane crashed but on a perfectly clear day, four lights on the side of the a runway give the dguidance you need. when two are red and two are white, it's perfect. >> if i see all red, i'm too
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low. all white i'm too high. if i see that i'll correct it and you as my co-pilot will say you're too low or too high. >> reporter: we're about to land. >> we're slightly slow and low so i'll correct by adding a little power, there we go and have two reds and two whites. >> reporter: i see the wall the pilot hit -- >> we're coming in nicely. we're slightly high but will reduce and compensate. we bring the nose of the airplane back and touchdown. >> reporter: a successful and typical landing. now it's time for a much different landing. >> well now the airplane is a little low. in audition, look at the air speed. the air speed is dropping below the target value. >> reporter: we're dropping rapidly under 137 knots or 157 miles per hour, the target speed of the 777 landing but the plane
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was going 40 miles per hour slower at that point and for some reason, didn't speed up. >> right now is my chance to correct the problem by adding full power. i'm very low, and i have right now i really should be aborting the landing and going around. >> reporter: you have a lot of time to do it. >> i have a lot of time right here to fix the problem and avoid the crash. >> and i have a lot of time to help you? >> yes. >> and now it's too late. i add power but boom, we hit the seawall and. >> crashed. >> and crashed and spin around and very bad things happen. so as you see, i had plenty on time to abort the landing and go around and try again in a more safe fashion. >> reporter: an inexplicable accident to him and many flight instructors. >> interesting to see how much time they would have had to actually correct the problem with those lights blinking telling them that things weren't going right, as well as the
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insurance menation. how long do pilots use auto pilot to land a plane? >> very common. most jets have auto pilot that can land a plane itself and it's mandated if the weather is bad, bad visual flight rules, that they have to use the auto pilot. i have a friend who currently flies the 777 and he says when there is visual flying, he always lands the plane himself but if he wanted to, he could put the information in the computer, sit back and watch the plane land and watch the plane stop. >> fascinating. appreciate it. up next, he wore a cowboy hat and got pulled over by a traffic police officer. these are two of osama bin laden's life on the run and hear from the women kidnapped, held captive in cleveland. they are breaking the silence on their own terms. >> i'm getting stronger each day
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well, for the first time we're hearing from the women abducted and held captive for years. horrible the captivity and abuse they suffered at hands of ariel castro who beat, raped and starved them. for his alleged victim as they address the world for the first time since the rescue, their faces are brave, their words full of gratitude. pamela brown reports. >> reporter: in a four-minute youtube video, amanda berry, gina dejesus and michelle knight says thanks. >> i want to thank everyone that helped me and my family through this entire ordeal. everyone that's been there to help us, it's been a blessing. >> i would say thank you for the
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support. >> thank you everyone for your love, support and donations, which helped me build a brand-new life. >> reporter: more than a million dollars has been donated to the courage fund to help the women heal after a decade of alleged abua abuse and captivity. he is charged with abuse, starving, and forcing the abuse of a misrar rage, yet, the women seem upbeat. >> i'm getting stronger each day and having my privacy helps immensely. i ask that everyone continues to respect our privacy and give us time to have a normal life. >> be positive, it's important to give than to receive. thank you for all your prayers. >> reporter: michelle knight held the longest appeared to suffer the worst abuse. here she hints at the pain of the ordeal and what she learned from it. >> i just want everyone to know
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i'm doing just fine. i may have been through held and back, but i am strong enough to walk through hell with a smile on my face and with my head held high. i will not let this situation define who i am. i will define the situation. i don't want to be consumed by h hatred. with that being said, we need to take a leap of faith and know god is in control. we've been hurt by people, but we need to rely on god as being the judge. >> reporter: they were once known as silent victims, now amanda berry, gina djesus want the world to know they have reclaimed their lives. >> i'm looking forward to my new
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life. thank you. >> we wish them the best. let's get caught up on other stories we're following. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: osama bin laden liked to wear a cowboy hat and not recognized when police pulled over his car because he shaved his famous beard. these details are listed in a report looking into the u.s. raid that led to his death. mixed reports about the status of edward snowden, a russian lawmaker tweeted the leaker hold up in mascow's airport accepted asylum in venezuela and wikileaks said he's not yet accepted asylum in venezuela and twinkys are back with 45 days of shelf life. anderson, the company has been bought by new owners and twinkie
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