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longer strides. >> be can he run in stilettos? that's what i want to know. >> check out the photograph. the lightning bolt. get it because he does the whole lightning bolt thing. >> thank you for connecting the dots for me. it's been a blast but we need to toss things over to -- >> pamela brown is standing by in new york. good to see you. what's it like up there? >> it's pretty nice. a beautiful view. i wish this was my office. all right. thanks. "newsroom" starts right now. he calls it smart on crime strategy. attorney general eric holder is about to talk about how it will reduce the prison population. new details inside the stunning rescue of 16-year-old hannah anderson. the hero witness who spotted
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her. we're learning more about the dark past of her kidnapper. an online video game under fire. it invites viewers to slap ha hillary clinton across the face. the full story just ahead. this is "cnn newsroom." the nation's top lawyer is about to announce major changes in the way some drug offenders are sentenced. eric holder says it's time to stop treating low level drug offenders like drug kingpins. the policy changes would allow judges to give lighter sentences. the idea behind this is it would allow federal law enforcement to focus on big crimes. over time that would reduce the prison population. let's wring in cnn legal analyst
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sun sunny hostin. great to have you with us. sunny, i want to start with you. how would this work? i think it's an important distinction it's not going to change the laws but perhaps how we handhandle the laws, is that right? >> i think some people are thinking this means the sentencing guidelines are no more. while perhaps that's where the government is going, the government would vu to go through congress. we know there's been such a log jam when congress is involved. what our attorney general is doing is he is telling the u.s. attorneys offices all across the country, all the federal prosecutors that rather when someone is arrested an indicting somebody they do not place on the indictment is the amount of drugs involved. the mandatory minimums don't get kicked in. it seems to be a rudimentary way
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of going around congress and legislation but it would be effective. he's the chief u.s. attorney and the chief prosecutor of the federal government and all u.s. attorneys offices will have to follow suit. >> he's kpapted to say we cannot prosecute or incarceraka incarcy of becoming a safer nation. how can he convince the public this is a good idea? >> you're right. over the last 30 years it's become difficult tr politician frs the obama administration to take on this issue. for politicians to take on this issue the always very treacherous. what they're trying to do is they're trying to say is we're going to put federal resources on hot spots on places like chicago and philadelphia where
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you have very big problem with violent crime. we're going to leave some of the nonviolent crime issues to deal with. they are hoping to save billions of dollars in federal costs. >> you mention the cutting cost, you spent $80 billion in this country just last year on the prison system here in the u.s. sunny, what kind of criteria will offenders have to meet to qualify? >> this is real common sense approach. i think it comes from our attorney general's background. he was the u.s. attorney in d.c. where i practice. i was an assistant u.s. attorney. you get to prosecute local and federal crimes there because d.c. is not a state, it's a district.
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this attorney general is familiar with these low level nonviolent drug offenders. he's saying we're not going to target the low level nonviolent drug offenders. they can't have ties to large criminal organizations. they can't be selling drugs to children on playgrounds. no ties to gangs or cartels. they can't use guns when they are committing these crimes. those are sort of the low level drug offenders that you find in d.c. are being wrapped up in these minimums and being sentenced to 10, 20, 30 years. everyone know these minimums don't work and this attorney general knows that in particular because he headed the office that dealt with this crime. >> does that mean the low level drug offenders who are serving the harsh sentences could be released? >> it's unclear. we haven't heard his remarks yet. i think that has to be addressed. another thing that will be
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addressed is the compassionate releases. you have low level offenders that are older, elderly, still in prison. perhaps mothers. you see a lot of times girlfriends of drug dealers are asked to mail a package and they have been in prison for 10, 20 years. i expect it will be that kind of program. that will work. so many people are in prison. our prisons are jam packed with these types of offenders. what do you do when they get out? they have to have rehab and a job to go to. they have to have job training. i expect that will all be part of policy. >> the u.s. has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prison population. obviously, something needs to be done. we'll check back in with you soon. another big story. 16-year-old hannah anderson is reunited with her father today and recovering from a nightmare
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ordeal. police say it was a chance encounter that helped save her life. a hostage rescue team moved in to save anderson. she was abducted by family friend james dimaggio over a week ago. he was killed by an fbi agent. one of the key moments came when crews saw this. take a look here. can you tell what this is? this is his car. it was hidden by brush. a colonel tells us the car was camouflaged reallywell. it's remarkable that anyone saup it at all. >> it looks like a beaver dam without a river. it was almost a structure with some pretty large limbs. it's providence, perhaps, the morning the light hit just right to catch a piece of reflection
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off one of the rear red tail lamps. that's what it took, right place, right time. at night i realize showing that picture that's a really covered car. everything had to play into place just right in order for that to be seen. >> more on that chance encounter that led to hannah anderson's rescue. mark john was riding horse back with his wife an another couple last week. they talked about seeing the teen and james dimaggio last week. >> we came upon these, this young girl and this older man and they just really didn't fit very well. the expressions on her face, their demeanor didn't fit that country. they was out of place completely. they weren't dressed for the country or the area.
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as we road further on we encountered the tent they set up which was totally out of place. it was way on top of a mountain. it looked it would make a real good lightning rod. we were discussing the fact they didn't fit there. >> you're talking about the particulars of how they set themselves up as campers. one of the ladies felt there was something about hannah. ladies will you speak to that? who felt they wanted to speak to her. >> that was me. they followed us from the top of the ridge. we rolled down into the lake and they followed us on foot. she was sitting there. i just felt like i should go over there and kind of just see if she needed help. mark says, maybe he had a feeling being in law enforcement for all those years and in the
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military. he had a feeling i shouldn't maybe do that. i did talk to him about why he was there and this far out place. he said she got to pick where we went last year. she wanted to go to los angeles and hollywood. this year was my turn. that was a good explanation for me. i did want to make contact with her. in retrospect i'm glad i didn't. that could have turned out terribly wrong for all of us. >> thankfully we know that everything turned out right. hannah anderson was rescued. her family is celebrating her relief while mourning the loss of her mom and little brother. police think dimaggio killed them before kidnapping her. we are also learning troubling details. >> our baby girl. >> reporter: the family of
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16-year-old hannah anderson after fearing the worst for nearly a week. >> i'm so glad she's saved. >> reporter: before leaving for idaho hannah's father texted cnn he was nervous and excited about their reunion. as the family looks forward to her future there's new questions about the kidnapper's past. he's was her father's best friend, a trusty handman. he was the son of another troubled man with the same name who held the 16-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend captive in 1989. now a woman she spoke with cnn affiliate kfmb. >> i asked him not kill us. >> reporter: she escaped and the elder dimaggio went to prison. she attended the same high school as his son. i was walking to hi locker and his son said my dad is out and
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he said to let you know he'll be waiting for you after school. friday on piers morgan a friend warned that his father's past might be influencing the son's actions. >> what i found out is that jim's father had committed suicide in 1998. >> reporter: to be exact, dimaggio's father took fatal drug overdose august 10th, 15 years to the day they killed his son freeing another 16-year-old girl. >> do we know anything more about how the shooting happened? >> reporter: few details are out about that. law enforcement had the two under surveillance by aircraft for several hours. we know they say they came in and rescued hannah and then there was some sort of a confrontation with dimaggio and he was shot dead.
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they are not giving us anymore details because this remains an active law enforcement investigation. we are expecting a news kmps later this afternoon here at the san diego county sheriff's department. there will be family members of hannah anderson sustainattendin news conference. moving onto florida now. check this out. a massive sink hole swallows a resort about ten minutes from disney world. it's 60 feet wide, 15 feet deep and it's still growing. 35 guests at the summer bay resort were forced to evacuate. they heard loud noises and windows cracking. no injuries have been reported. : here is what we're working on. there's a new twist in the murder case of aaron hernandez. police are looking at his girlfriend for some answers.
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all but one of the u.s. diplomatic posts closed. it will remain closed because of possible attacks there. the obama administration closed 19 embassies and consulates. the u.s. evacuated nonemergency workers because of a quote credible threat. it also remains closed. now to a possible new angle in the murder investigation involving former nfl tight end aaron hernandez. police want to know if aaron hernandez asked his fiancee to hide the gun he used to kill odin lloyd. is this new development something we learned about the search warrants in this case? >> reporter: new documents. we have those right now. in part police got suspicious
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when they saw fiancee leaving the home she shared with hernandez the day after lloyd's body was discovered. she first get a cryptic message on her phone and seen leaving the home carrying something rigid covered with a piece of clothing. she puts the item in car and leaves the house. she returns to the house and does not carry anything back inside with her. the question for police is whether a gun box was underneath that clothing. the court documents also reveal police searched a storage unit in bristol, connecticut looking for the gun. sources say the storage unit was empty. jenkins is not charged in this case and no word from his lawyers about this. >> apparently hernandez's fiancee is not the only one you
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aren't scrutiny in this case. what about his cousin? >> reporter: she's in jail and has been for several days charged with contempt of court for failing to cooperate with a grand jury that's investigating the murder. a grand jury is expected to deliver indictments by next week. pamela. >> thank you for following this story for us. we appreciate it. a mom and dad go to court because they can't decide on their baby's last night and their little boy ends up with a new first name as well. the judge changed this baby's name from messiah to martin. she said only one person should be allowed to have that name and that's jesus. the baby's mom is appealing that decision. according to the social security administration that was number four on the fastest rising baby name last year. the nation must be smarter on crime. right now he's announcing how it request be done. stay with us.
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an online game is under fire. it invites viewer to virtually
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slap hillary clinton. democrats and anti-violence groups are not happy about this but wasn't there a similar game involving sarah palin? >> reporter: the hillary projects builds itself as the only thing standing between her and the white house. this slap hillary game on its website is causing an uproar. the new hampshire based group says it wants to wage a war on clinton's image should she run for president. >> this is meant to be funny. that's the worth thing. it's a gimmick and it shouldn't have any place in our politics. >> reporter: the anti-sexism group says over 100,000 people have signed the online petition demanding the game be taken down. top democrat nancy pelosi tweeted like all violence
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against women, it's sick. they said liberals said nothing about this slap sarah palin game when it surfaced. >> athena jones join us now from washington. how are democrats responding to that question about why they did not condemn this slap palin game. >> they're not responding so far. this game is still on that website. i reached out to them asking whether they would keep it up or take it down. they sent out their statements for why pelosi is a hypocrite for criticizing this game. they didn't care about this game when it was targeted sarah palin but they care about it because hillary clinton may be running for president. this is the kind of things we see these insults and jokes on both sides. this is the latest. >> there's also that ugly rodeo
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stunt at missouri state fair under criticism for both republicans and democrats and involves president obama. tell us about this. >> this is rather odd event that took place over the weekend. there was a rodeo clown who wore a mask portraying himself as president obama. he also had what looked like a broom in his backside. he was mocking the president saying i don't know i'm a clown. he's running around doesn't realize he's a clown. there was some revving of the audience that said obama the clown could be stomped by a bull. an odd series of events. the radio association apologized for it but it angered a lot of people on both sides. we're still looking at reaction from that. >> thank you so much. former presidential candidate and tea party ron paul has found a new way to stay in
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touch with the public. he's starting his own channel on the internet. it will not be free. subscribers will have to pay 9.95 a month to gain access. that's $9.95 to make that clear. we want to tune in to eric hold r. he's speaking in san francisco about his prison reform plan. let's listen. >> as a nation we are coldly efficient in our incarceration efforts. while the u.s. population has increased ant a third since 1980, the federal prison population has grown by an astonishing rate by almost 800%. it's still growing. despite the fact that federal prisons are operating at nearly 40% above capacity. even though this country compromises 5% of the
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population, we incarcerate a quarter. almost half of them are serving time for drug related crimes. many have substance. nine to ten million more people cycle through the jails and roughly 40% of federal prisoners and more than 60% of former state prisoners are rearrested. a great cost to the american taxpayers and often for technical or minor violations of their release. as a society we pay much too high a price when ever our system fails to deliver outcomes that punish crimes and ensure those who have paid their debts have a chance to become productive citizens. as president obama said just last month it's time to ask
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tough questions about how we ask strengthen our communities and how we can support young people, how we can address the fact that young black and latino men are disproportionally likely to become involved in our justice system as victims and as perpetrators. once they are in that system people of color face harsher punishment. deeply trub ling report. in recent years black male offenders have received sentences 20% longer than those imposed on white males of similar crimes. this isn't just unacceptable, it's shameful. [ applause ] it unworthy of our great
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country. in response i have directed a group of u.s. attorneys to examine sentencing disparities. in this area and in many others in large and small we as a country must resolve to do better. the president and i believe it's time to take a pragmatic approach. that's why i'm proud to announce today that the justice department will take a series of significant actions to recalibrate america's federal criminal justice system. we will start rethinking federally enforced mandated crimes. some statutes reduce the
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discretion available to prosecutors, judges and juries because they often time generate unfairly long sentences. they breed disrespect for the system. they do not serve public safety. they, let's be honest, some of the enforcement priorities that we have set have had a destabilizing effect on particular communities, largely poor and of color. they are ultimately counter productive. this is why i have today mandated a modification of the justice department's charging policy so that certain low level, nonviolent drug offenders who have no ties to organizations will no longer be charged for defenses that impose draconian mandatory minimum sentences. [ applause ] they now will be charged with offenses for which the
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accompanying sentences are better suited to their individual conduct rather than excessive prison terms more appropriate for violent criminals or drug kingpins. my reserving the most severe penalties for high level drug traffickers ke with better promote public safety while making our expenditures smarter and more productive. we have seen this has bipartisan support in congress. a number of senators including dict dick durbin and rand paul. such legislation will save our country billions of dollars while keeping us more safe. the president an i look forward to working with members of both parties to refine and advance these proposals. second, the department has now updated its frame work for
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considering compassionate release for inmates facing extraordinary or compelling circumstances and who pose no threat to the public. the bureau of prisons expanded the criteria for inmates seeking compassionate release. i can announce additional expansions including revised y criteria for elderly inmates. considering the applications of nonviolent offenders who are careful review process that allows judges to consider whether release is warranted is a fair thing to do. it's the smart thing to do as well because it will enable us to use our limited resources to house those who pose the greatest threat.
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finally, my colleagues and i are taking steps to identify and chair our best practices for enhancing the use of diversion programs such as drug treatment that can serve as effective al ternives. our u.s. attorneys are leading the way in this regard. in south dakota a joint federal tribal program has helped to prevent at risk young people from getting involved in the principal prison system thereby improving live, saving taxpayer resources and keeping communities safer. thp is the kind of proven innovation that federal policy makers should emulate. >> you've been listening to attorney general eric holder. he's speaking to the american bar association in san francisco outlining plans to change the
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way some low level drug offenders are sentenced. >> my targeting the most serious offenses and prosecuting the most dangerous criminals, directing assistance to crime hot spots and new ways to promote public safety, we in the federal government, can become both smarter and tougher on crime. >> he's saying that the justice department will no longer pursue mandatory minimum sentences for certain low level nonviolent drug offenders. they can't have ties to large organizations or to gangs or cartels. some criteria that must be looked at before the hand toir sentences are imposed. let's bring in sunny hostin and evan perez. good to see you. sunny, let's start with you. this is a pretty big shift in policy. explain the significance of what the attorney general is doing and why people sitting at home
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listening should care about this. >> sure. i think certainly it's a possible shift that has been in the making for some time. federal prosecutors, federal judges, quiet frankly federal juries have been dismayed with this sentencing of these low level drug offender. it takes the discretion away from the prosecutor and the judge opini judge. when i was prosecuting, it was displaying to me. when you know you're prosecuting someone that is low level and likely to be put in jail for ten or more years that's difficult thing to do. people should be certainly cognizacog any cognizant of this and happy about it. what you've seen is you prosecute and imprison. you don't rehabilitate.
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you don't do any of these diversion nar tactics that have proouen time and time again to be very helpful in terms of the war on crime. we're seeing the lead prosecutor saying we're going to change ou we charge these cases. we're going to change not only that but we're going to change how we deal with folks once they get out of prison. i think when you look at that sort of comprehensive reform that makes for stronger law enforcement and for a stronger society. i think this is a really significant change that we're hearing from the attorney general. >> in one way basically he would change the instructions for prosecutors. is that right? this is way to get around congress? >> i think so. again, we have had these sort of sentencing guidelines and at one point were mandatory. the judges couldn't deviate. then you heard these sentencing
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guidelines are advisory. now you're hearing we're not going to regulate it because it's been shown that congress has such a long jam in terms of changing things. what we're hearing now is the government is going to change how they prosecute or charge these cases. these cases, these low level offenders never get into the system in that way. that's a pretty smart way of doing it. i think many people would prefer there was a legislative change. we know there are certain changes that have been proposed and perhaps we'll see legislative changes in the future. there's a lot of support for it. >> we're already seeing it on the state level with texas and kentucky. evan you first reported this story last week. what is holder trying to accomplish here? what are some of his goals? >> one of the issues of the attorney general is he's leaving
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office in the next couple of months. one of the things he's focused on and president obama in the second term is trying to do something for their own legacy that people would remember them for. in the case of eric holder he doesn't want to be remembered for fast and furious and some of the other con trtroversiecontro. this is way to do something. there's been a lot of movement towards, we've gone through several years of more than reduction of crimes in the cities. i think they feel like the moment is right. right now you have members of congress on the republican party who have decided this is a good way for them to save money. it's probably a very good
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moment. as good a moment as any for them to pursue something like this. >> we spent $80 billion last year on our prison system and our prisons are operating at 40% over capacity. something needs to be done. thank you so much for your analysis. we appreciate it. >> attorney general eric holder says it's time to stop treating lo level offenders like kingp s kingpins. let's get some insight from jessica yellen. you have some details on discussions from the trayvon martin case. tell us about that. >> reporter: you heard the attorney general, he said in his speech, that he and the president have talked about this issue and it is an issue that's been important to both of those men for many years. the president, as you might recall, championed laws fighting
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racial profiling still a state senator in illinois. this is a legacy issue for president obama, something he wants to continue to pursue in his second term. i think you'll hear him continue to talk about this when he gets back from martha's vineyard and other officials press on it as well. he mentioned in his remarks. we didn't air it but the attorney general referenced the president's comments about the trayvon martin verdict. i'll read a bit what the president said. he said the african-american community is knowledgeable there's a history of racial disparity in the application of our criminal laws. everything from the death penalty to endorsement of drug laws. that's something the president pointed out when we came to the briefing room friday afternoon when we were all standing there. he gave such emotional remarks. this is something you see is
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deeply personal. important to them you mention they want to do it on the federal level but they also see too bills in the senate that both men think could get some traction. i think they will be working with congress to try to get something done. >> we will have to wait and see. this seems like a bipartisan issue here. thank you so much. we do have breaking news to share with you in the whitey bulger case. there's been a conviction. we'll tell you about that conviction right after this break. what are you doing back there? ow! that hurt! no, no, no, no.
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we have breaking news to share. there's been a verdict reach for whitey bulger in boston. we have learned the verdict was reached today after five days of deliberation by the jury. an eight man, four woman panel. we're still waiting to find out about the verdict. we know that whitey bulger was charged with racketeering accused in 19 murders, 13
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couldncounts of extortion and money laundering. we have sunny hostin standing by. what's your expectation on this? >> they have been deliberating for quite some time. they asked a lot of questions what are called predicate acts. there are to significant counts here. one is, is he guilty of racketeering. that's a possible life sentence. we already know the defendant is in his 80s. the second part they have been struggling with is the substantive offenses underneath racketeering. did he conspire to murder people? was he money laundering with others? there were 33 separate acts he's been charged with. we will learn the jury did not agree on all 33. even if they agreed on a few of
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them say money laundering and conspiracy for murder he's looking at possible life sentences. a defendant this aej in hge in is in effect a life sentence. this case was tried in a very tight way. it was very concise and for a federal case in terms of racketeering which is difficult to try in front after a jury, this prosecution team did a good job. there was some testimony by reformed gangsters that were really quite, i think, effective for this jury. very emotional. a lot of victims families were in this courtroom. a lot of these former mafia members were really honest in testifying in talking about how they killed people at bulger's
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behest. i suspect we're going to learn that he may have been found guilty of conspireing to murder several people because that evidence, in particular, was very compelling. >> the jury really had thaer work cut out for them. more than 70 witnesses over the course of the seven weeks of the trial and over 800 exhibits compiled. it's not surprising it's taken about five days to come up with this verdict. >> it's not. there's this rule of thumb we use as lawyers in criminal cases. for every day of testimony there's likely an hour of dl deliberati deliberation. you're talking about 35 hours of deliberations and we're probably right at about that point. on friday i think we were in our 25th hour, 28th hour. this is about right for a jury like this. they've asked a lot of questions
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and many of the questions were really well informed. some of jury instructions, i thought, were a bit confusing an they asked for clarification and they got it. i think this jury worked very hard and for a federal case, conspiracy case, very difficult to try. very difficult for juries to digest. this jury clearly worked very hard. >> thank you for your analysis. we'll bring you that verdict live when we have it. out of rehab and back in the office. the san diego mayor accused of harassing 14 women leaves therapy earlier than expected. his constituents are angrier than ever. tell you about that after the break. with diabetes, it's tough to keep life balanced. i don't always have time to eat like i should. that's why i like glucerna shakes.
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breaking news at this hour. we have just learned that a jury has reached a verdict in the trial of the federal
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racketeering trial of reputed mob boss whitey bulger. we're taking a live look at the courtroom where that jury has come up with the verdict after nearly five days of deliberations, 32 hours. we do have reporters in that courtroom. we're going to bring you that verdict live when we have it. we're expecting it to come within 15 to 20 minutes from now. we'll keep you updated on that story. we want to turn to san diego. that's where mayor bob filner is out of rehab. he might not be back in office any time soon. a number of women have accused filner of sexual harassment. now we've learned two women who survived actual assaults say filner harassed them at a support group meeting. our kyund lah has exclusive details. >> reporter: san diego mayor bob filner is believed to be back in the city after checking out of rehab a week before he said he would finish.
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>> it's kind of people shaking their heads and saying it's ridiculous. >> reporter: filner's rez tesid overwhelmingly want him to stay away. >> really, mayor? you did as you did. you want to stay as mayor? [ bleep ]. you're not staying as mayor. >> reporter: barbara boxer writing an open letter to filner saying, you must resign. she adds the latest revelations regarding women recovering from sexual assault have shaken me to my core. the senator is talking about cnn's exclusive interview with these two women, both former military and rape survivors who say they were then harassed by bob filner at a support meeting. filner, forme chairman of the house veterans affairs committee, was invited into their women's veterans group, seen as a champion of their cause. >> we're all victims of military sexual assault. and it appears to me that he was targeting this organization and hitting on the women in this organization because they were easy prey. >> reporter: the city attorney's office, the sheriff's department
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and the california attorney general's office all working on investigating the mayor. filner's chief of staff reportedly changed the locks on the mayor's office to preserve what she calls potential evidence. the mayor remains on personal leave under the growing chorus for him to resign. kyung lah, cnn, san diego. at this hour we are watching for the whitey bulger trial. a verdict has been reached, we have learned just moments ago. this a live look here over the courthouse there in boston where the trial has been taking place. we do have reporters inside that courtroom. and we hope to learn the verdict soon. of course, we'll keep you updated. we'll be right back. you deserve more than justo flexibility and convenience. so here are a few reasons to choose university of phoenix. our average class size is only 14 students. our financial tools help you make smart choices about how to pay for school. our faculty have, on average, over 16 years of field experience. we'll help you build a personal career plan. we build programs based on what employers are looking for.
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all right. here we go on this monday. big, big news day as we have just gotten word there has been a verdict reached in the two-month trial of the reputed mob boss, james "whitey" bulger. let me just run through, there are 32 different counts. let me hone in on the two different counts. these are the biggies. these are what we're waiting for. let me be crystal clear. obviously this is federal court as we've been watching in boston. cameras are not allowed. let me run through some of these key counts. as soon as we get word as far as what this verdict entails, we'll bring that to you live on cnn. number one, this count one, racketeering conspiracy.
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this could -- with count one, he could be facing a maximum sentence of life. he could face up to life in prison. even though bulger is accused of having a role here of 19 different killings, he is not specifically charged with murder. but we can talk about that. because that could come into play post verdict here in boston. we have deborah feyerick. she's been covering the trial for us. she's been in the courtroom. we will see what deb has as soon as we know that the -- once the verdict is read. we have sunny hostin standing by, former federal prosecutor cnn legal analyst. and, sunny, as we look at these pictures, and i can only imagine the crush of media inside and surrounding this federal courthouse there in boston, this has been -- this has been a huge, huge deal. this is a man who was on the run for, you know, nearly two decades. he was found in santa monica with his girlfriend living blocks from the beach. he has been fighting much of
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this. but we'll keep in mind this is an 83-year-old man. a lot of this has to do with his legacy and not quite as much as when it comes to life in prison. but talk me through these two key counts, beginning with racketeering, conspiracy. what does that entail? >> sure. i mean, they are the two key counts because as you just mentioned, there are a bunch of charges. like extortion and other things. count one, he's charged with racketeering conspiracy. that he conspired to do several different things that the government alleges. some of those things are conspiracy to murder certain people. to murder members of another group. about 19 murders he has been accused of playing a role in. he's also been accused by the government of money laundering, which is something that we do see in these types of cases, in


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