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we're out of time. that does it for us. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, dead witnesses, f-bombs, and a verdict today in the trial of mob boss whitey bulger. the decision is next. plus, the father of the 16-year-old girl abducted by a family friend speaks for the first time. and we're getting more details in tonight about what exactly happened during her ordeal. and then, los angeles to san francisco in 30 minutes. what is the hyperloop? this is pretty stupendous, people. let's go "outfront." and good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, mob boss, james "whitey" bulger, guilty.
the former mobster and fbi informant from boston convicted today of 31 out of 32 counts, including a role in is -- role in 11 murders. whitey is one of the country's most notorious criminals. he spent 16 years on the run as one of the most wanted by the fbi. deborah feyerick has been covering the trial, she was in the courtroom, and deb, what was the reaction to the guilty verdict and did those looking for, you know, revenge and fairness here get what they wanted? >> reporter: well, depends on who you ask. james "whitey" bulger portrayed absolutely no emotion. he had called this trial a sham, but he stood and he listened to the verdict as the count of guilty was read, 31 out of the 32 times. prosecutors, erin, they looked visibly relieved. it has taken them decades to bring whitey bulger to trial, and they mounted a huge case, calling more than 60 witnesses. but as for the victims' family members, well, all 19 wanted justice, wanted resolution, but only 11 got it. the jury was not able to find enough evidence linking bulger
in at least seven of the murders. in the eight murder, they actually could not unanimously agree. that was the murder of bulger's crime partner, of the 26-year-old girlfriend, they could not agree. so there was no finding in that murder. i spoke to the grown daughter of one of the victims. she said, now, as then, she believes that whitey bulger is and will always be the killer. but she says she wishes she had not been dragged through this process. she was clearly in a lot of emotional pain, erin. >> and let me ask you, i know you had a chance to speak exclusively, deb, with one of bulger's keep mob enforcers, this guy, kevin weeks, which must have been just been a rather bizarre, but fascinating experience. what did he tell you? >> reporter: yeah, it really is. and this is a man who was as close to whitey bulger as anyone. whitey bulger considered him like a son. and i asked him, do you hate whitey bulger? and he said, "no, whitey bulger made me who i am." so those experiences added up to
something, he's out of a life of crime, but listen to what he told me. as bulger's mob enforcer, kevin weeks said he buried the bodies and moved the cash. weeks was one of the government's star eyewitnesss. last month he came face to face with his one-time crime partner. >> he wasn't the same guy i knew. i mean, he's a lot older, but he had no life in his eyes. he was subdued. he had changed. he just kind of lost the spark. >> reporter: weeks turned against his former boss after learning bulger, who ran a murderous criminal enterprise for 20 years, had spent much of that time as a government informant. the kind of man bulger always referred to as a rat. during the trial, weeks and bulger cursed each other after a defense question about weeks' role and his regrets. >> basically, when he asked me, he said, you have no regrets in life? nothing bothers you?
i say, you know what bothers me, i said, we killed five people. and he said, and that bothers you? and i said, no, what bothered me is we killed people for being rats and i had the two biggest rats right next to me. >> defense lawyers argued that bulger never provided any useful information to the government. and weeks testified he had seen jim bulger murder debora hussey with his own eyes. >> i walked out and there was jimmy strangling her. she had walked in the house with stevie, and jimmy jumped out and started strangling her. and he killed her and then she was brought downstairs and, you know, ultimately buried. >> do you ever think of the look on debbie hussey's face? >> no. >> do you remember the look? >> not really. >> do you remember bulger and how he reacted after? >> he laid down and went to sleep. >> why? >> he always did. he was nice and relaxed. >> reporter: in december, 1994, bulger fled south boston after a corrupt fbi agent tipped him off
the feds were closing in. after a worldwide manhunt, bulger was finally arrested in santa monica, california, in 2011. >> whitey bulger stood up and said, he didn't get a fair trial, it was a sham. he had been given immunity by a corrupt prosecutor. what do you think of that? >> i'll equate it to this. he got a fairer trial than the people we killed. >> do you think jim bulger ever lies awake at night thinking about the people he allegedly killed or killed? >> i think he lies awake at night thinking about the people he should have killed and didn't kill. >> if jim bulger were sitting across from you right now, what would you want to say to him? >> nothing. i'd have to shoot him, because he'd be trying to shoot me. if he was sitting there right now. >> reporter: now, kevin weeks' testimony at the trial was one of two eyewitness testimonies.
also, bulger's former hit man testified against him. it was the testimony of those two men that largely made up the murder cases against whitey bulger. erin? >> thanks very much, deb. amazing. just killed people and would always just go to sleep. our second story out front, hillary clinton dipping her toe into politics, again. the former secretary of state just moments ago speaking publicly. this has been very rare since she stepped down from her high-profile role as secretary of state. but now, of course, she's the front-runner for 2016 for the democratic party. here she is speaking to the american bar association of san francisco just moments ago. i want to get to jim acosta. jim, these are some of the first political comments she's made in a long time. and she's there and she's talking, she's appearing in public. what was the big headline? >> reporter: well, the big headline, erin, is that i think she's dipping more than just her toe in the political waters. if you take a look at the speech she gave out in san francisco to the american bar association, this was pretty striking, because prior to today's speech,
she had basically been going to various groups and speaking to those specific target audiences. tonight was very different. she said, during her remarks, that she's going to be giving a series of policy speeches over the coming months. today she talked about voting rights. and she went after some of these states that had passed voter i.d. laws in recent months, saying anybody who thinks that race is not a factor in elections is not paying attention. she says she's going to be talking about national security coming up in this next speech coming up in september. but just to give you a sense as to how much of a departure this is for hillary clinton, take a listen to what she just said about an hour ago. >> over the coming months, i will deliver a series of speeches focused on questions like these. today, you saw on voting rights, which threatens to block millions of americans from fully participating in our democracy and further eroding public trust. next month at the national constitution center in philadelphia, i will talk about
the balance and transparency necessary in our national security policies, as we move beyond a decade of wars to face new threats. and later in the fall, i'll address the implications of these issues for america's global leadership and our moral standing around the world. >> reporter: and erin, if you heard hillary clinton there say that the speech coming up next month in september is going to be on national security issues, that is going to be september 10th, in philadelphia. she's going to be receiving an award there from none other than jeb bush. so that will certainly get the 2016 talk going. and to think that hillary clinton is going to be talking about this balance between national security and civil liberties sounds a lot like the conversation that a lot of people are having around the country right now. it is going to be very interesting to watch. >> oh, it sure is. and that timing, of course, would certainly underline that she is running. thanks very much to jim acosta. still outfront, waves of sexual harassment claims, but the mayor of san diego refuses to step down.
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our third story "outfront," san diego's mayor on deadline to defend his job. mayor bob filner, who has been accused of sexual harassment now by 14 different women, has until midnight tonight to formally respond to the growing calls for him to resign. tonight, we are also learning that long before the scandal broke, filner's behavior towards women was questioned. there may have been people who actually knew. so who, exactly, had suspicions? and why didn't they say anything? our kyung lah, who, of course, has been breaking so much of this story, including his alleged targeting of women he knew to be rape victims, is "outfront" with an investigation. >> reporter: suzanne morris was the host of this debate a year
ago, as b filner ran for san diego mayor and eventually defeated san diego councilman, carl demaio. they were discussing violence and sexual harassment. demymaio rarely looking at filner until -- >> how an individual treats women in their office -- >> look at him. he looks at him again. >> a mayor who is going to insist on zero tolerance when it comes to the issue of sexual harassment. >> see how he looks at him like that? >> that is deliberate. that is very deliberate. >> why do you think he looked at him? >> i felt like he must have known something. i think that has been going on for years. >> reporter: demaio, now running for congress, had no comment, but a demaio staff member tells cnn allegations about filner's harassment of women swirled in political circles during the mayoral race and the campaign tried to warn san diego voters. >> i deal with frustrated travelers every day. >> this airline worker in demaio campaign ad last year described what she called filner anger issues. >> and the hostility towards me, especially when he screamed,
"you can't stop me!" >> i think there was a lot of whispering, there was a lot of things under the surface. there was a, "boys will be boys" attitude. >> lori saldana heard the whispers and complained. she went to the head of san diego county's democratic party two years ago, after six women told saldana of filner's harassing behavior. nothing happened. is it fair to say that especially politically, in political circles, that people knew? >> it was considered abusive, it was insulting at times, and i think people need to pay attention to those kinds of reports. and take them seriously, and that, unfortunately, didn't happen two years ago. >> reporter: they're paying attention now, as the city tries to boot its mayor and ask why it had to come to this. >> i think a lot of them knew it, and that really disappointing me, and the whole
batch of them. >> it's pretty incredible what you're reporting there. how is it that nobody did anything, even with lori saldana's complaint? >> reporter: well, we called the san diego county democrats, the party, and they say, well, none of these women wanted to step forward. there was no official complaint, no paper trail. so in absence of that, they didn't feel like they could do very much. erin, what they said they did is that they talked to filner and told him, hey, got to take care of this. but beyond that, they really didn't feel like they could do anything. >> interesting point and reason as to why. kyung lah, thank you so much. kyung has been breaking so much on that story. and now our fourth story "outfront," the hyperloop. okay. bear with me, because this is the coolest story of the day, by exponential powers. it's our money and power segment tonight. elon musk is the man who co-founded paypal. he heads tesla motors, and he's unveiled a plan to get you from los angeles to san francisco in
30 minutes. it's a solar-powered elevated transit system that seat passengers inside a steel tube. i don't know what it is, because the speed is 700 miles an hour, which is faster than an airplane, but it's kind of a train. i don't know what it is. richard quest is host of "quest means business." this is the coolest story of the day. okay, what is this thing, how does it work? >> this is the document. he's either a visionary, or he's barking mad, for what he's come up with. but the core of this is a tube, that would be on pillars from los angeles to san francisco, and inside, there would be capsule cars that would be rocketed forward, right, rocketed forward, to 700 miles an hour. and there would be a fan on the front. elon musk basically says that this is the way of the future. it is for perfect travel for those trips, this is what he says, for up to a thousand
miles. basically, 900 miles. >> this is low priority relative to the core mission that spacex has, but i think it may -- i think it might help if i created a prototype. and sort of helped get things going in that way. >> get things going. look at the pictures and the diagrams of this. first of all, this is what they say it will look like. but -- >> it's like a helicopter, train combo? >> it's in a tube and you sit in chairs and there's 30 or so of you in the capsule. at the front, you have a compressor fan. i'll show you the diagram for that. in the middle, you have the passengers, and in the back you have the batteries, and you're going at the speed of sound through this tube. and here's something i know you'll want to take home and study closely. >> yeah.
>> that is the compressor. >> this is the one that makes my head spin. what is this? >> this is the compressor motor that sits at the front and allows the train to keep moving forward. >> all right. so just to make it cool, you check on the web, 5 1/2 hours to drive this is going to 30 minutes. >> yes. >> that's incredible. if it works. >> he also says it will only cost to build this $6 billion or $7 billion. compare that to the $65 billion for the current high-speed rail plans for california. he believes this is a viable, valuable alternative for mass transit between these two destinations. >> and when you talk about things that can transform life as we know it, if this were to work, this would be one of them. by the way, you say $6 to $7 billion. i want to make it clear to all of you watching, $34 billion was the estimate for california high-speed rail. they're now double that at $70 billion, and there's still no train. >> but the point about this is, could he do it? let's not be down in the manger. let's not be wet weekends about this. has he come up with something -- >> that would work? >> never mind -- is it
visionary? in 30 years' time, will you and i be sitting on our rocking chairs, going, well, we talked about it then and he did it. >> i would love it if that were so. we'll pull the segment and we'll look at us when we were you think. richard quest, thank you very much. let us know what you think about that hyperloop and whether you think it will work or not. still "outfront," al qaeda and its new mission. prison breaks. the leader of the arabian peninsula said that members in prison would be freed soon. it's unclear what the plan is, but there have been a lot of prison breaks lately with thousands freed. it's put the obama administration on high alert. those breaks have been linked to america's decision to close embassies around the world. barbara starr is out front. >> reporter: it's the year of the jailbreak for al qaeda, and some couldn't be more pleased. the man who triggered the current terror alert and leader of al qaeda in the arraignan peninsula, aqap, wants to see
more. saying in a new message, "imprisonment will not be for long, and shackles will not remain." >> the fact that the leader of al qaeda in yemen is calling for additional prison breaks. i mean, i -- i think it has to be taken seriously. >> reporter: wahisi has plenty of precedent. july 23rd, iraq. al qaeda claimed responsibility for two prison breaks that freed more than 500 including some senior al qaeda operatives. the u.s. believes some are behind dozens of attacks across iraq in recent days. july 26th, benghazi, libya. a prison break frees about 1,200 inmates. and on july 30th, gunmen attacked a jail allowing 200 to escape. some senior militants are believed to be free. wahisi himself broke out of a yemeni prison in 2006. yemen's poorest jails are why the u.s. is keeping 56 yemenis
at gitmo even though they are cleared to go home. >> the basic reason is is that there is a concern that if they're sent back to yemen, yemeni authorities can't guarantee that they'll stay in prison. >> reporter: the u.s. embassy in yemen remains closed after the recent terror threat after most others in the region reopened this weekend. the new statement another reason to continue the caution. >> i think there's always a high level of concern about this, and any time there's a high-level statement from an al qaeda leader, clearly there's concern. >> reporter: there's concern al qaeda may want to break with operatives with bomb-making skills raising the potential for new attacks even more. and interpol continues to call for vigilance saying hundreds of terrorists may now have escaped in these jailbreaks. erin? >> barbara, thank you. and still out front, the 16-year-old held captive by a family friend.
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories where we focus on reporting from the front lines. so i want to begin with the united states having the highest incarceration rate in the world. and attorney general general eric holder apparently wants to change it. he said today, the justice department is no longer going to pursue mandatory minimum sentences for people who are defined as not in a gang or not in a cartel drug offenders. he says that would reduce excessive sentences and cut costs. he says the united states spends $80 billion a year incarcerating nearly 200,000 federal inmates. nearly half of those people are in prison for drug offense. one report shows that 71% of those offender who released, drug o fernandez, non- -- drug offenders, nonviolent criminals,
arrested again within three years. is paula deen off the hook? a federal judge has dismissed the racial discrimination claims in a lawsuit filed against the celebrity chef. deen's former employee claims that she was denied, quote, the right to work free from racial harassment. deen even admitted in a deposition that she used the n-word a very long time ago, in her words. but the judge decided that the discrimination claims didn't add up because the employee was white. maybe it was just bad timing. aol's ceo, tim armstrong, was on a conference call. there were 1,000 employees talking about the future of the company and they were talking specifically about a struggling part of the company, a hyper local news website known as patch. he told the employees, quote, if you think what is going on right now is a joke, you should pick up your stuff and leave patch today. that is when tim, who, by the
way, is a really affable guy, noticed an employee taking a picture of him and lost it. abel, put that camera down right now. abel, you're fired. out. eight seconds of awkward silence with those one thousand people followed. we reached o out to aol and the employee, but neither have responded. a new survey out today shows that 80% of new yorkers view anthony weiner negatively. shocking that 20% don't. that doesn't bode well for the mayoral candidate's imploding campaign. judging from a buzz feed q&a that wrapped up moments ago, weiner clearly is not backing away from the race or his sexting proclivities. >> i did these things. no one did this to me, i did this to me. i made these mistakes. >> weiner also admitted he is still seeing a therapist and says he hasn't been in touch sidney leathers, the woman at the latest sexting scandals, in quite a while. >> i didn't exchange anything inappropriate with her for going back a year. there were messages that were
completely, you know, how you doing, what do you think of this? you know, i treated her like a friend. that is what i did. but in terms of anything inappropriate, it was a year -- i don't have any records -- >> and a year for anyone else also, is that right? >> yeah. >> he treated her as a friend. i would love to know how he treats a girlfriend or -- i don't know. the poll numbers don't seem to be phasing weiner. he said he predicted this exact rhythm when he got into the race. we want to say in full disclosure, cnn has a partnership with buzzfeed. it has been 737 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? well, stocks were mostly down, but the tech-laden nasdaq managed to eke out a modest gain. and the reason for that was open table, it helped. it's an online restaurant reservation maker and it rallied over a partnership expansion with facebook. so now apparently you can book a table from your cell phone via a restaurant's facebook page. and now our sixth story "outfront." a bittersweet reunion. 16-year-old hannah anderson is back safely in san diego tonight
with her father after nearly a week on the run with kidnapper james dimaggio. dimaggio was shot and killed during the rescue attempt. a short time ago, anderson's father spoke publicly about this for the first time. >> it's time for us to grieve and move on to the healing process. i respectably ask you to give me, all of our family, and our friends, the respect and time to allow this to happen. as for my daughter, the healing process will be slow. she has been through a tremendous, horrific ordeal. i am very proud of her and i love her very much. she is surrounded by the love of her family, friends, and community. >> hannah anderson only learned about the loss of her mother and her 8-year-old brother after she was rescued on saturday. "outfront" tonight, paul vercammen in san diego. >> reporter: the river of no return wilderness area, 2.3 million acres of deep gorgeous
crags and deep mountainsides on wednesday, four country-smart horseback riders chanced upon 16-year-old missing girl, hannah anderson, and her alleged abductor, alleged killer of her mother and brother, james dimaggio. >> he might have been an outdoorsman in california, but he was not an outdoorsman in idaho. and he didn't fit. >> reporter: little did the fugitive know, near moorhead lake, he'd run into mark john, former army ranger and county sheriff, and three other riders. >> they weren't friendly and they didn't talk. >> reporter: they say the girl lacked scared and later the ex-sheriff saw hannah's picture on television, called state police, the search was on. on friday, authorities discovered dimaggio's car near trailhead. >> the blue nissan versa was discovered covered in brush. the license plates had been removed. >> reporter: detectives say hannah had no idea that her mother and brother were found dead in the ashes of dimaggio's house. the desperate hunt for the girl turned to the air, up to 200 agents with tactical alert
skills geared up. they'd all been warned that dimaggio burned down his home, was extremely dangerous, and possibly armed with homemade explosives and more. lawmen spotted dimaggio's camp site from the air. saturday, members of the fbi hostage rescue team got dropped off via helicopter, hiked more than two hours, snuck up. the san diego county sheriff says dimaggio was armed with a shoulder weapon and he fired at least one shot. the fbi agents returned fire, killing the fugitive. >> obviously, we would have liked mr. dimaggio to surrender and face justice in a court of law, but that's not going to be the case. >> reporter: in the untamed west, dimaggio got a dose of frontier justice and hannah anderson got her freedom. >> oh, my god! >> oh, our baby's coming home! >> reporter: her grandmother, euphoric and philosophical. >> the way it ended up, for both hannah and jim, it's fitting.
>> reporter: so there thereby no sensational trial here in san diego county. there will not be any testimony, perhaps from hannah anderson. there will not be testimony about whether jim dimaggio had a troubled childhood. this verdict was delivered not by a jury, but by a bullet, erin. >> all right. thank you very much, paul vercammen. and now our seventh story "outfront," a sinkhole swallows a florida resort as the tale of sinkholes in the united states gets more and more frightening. 60 feet of earth opened up under the summer bay resort. that swallowed a three-story building and part of another. this is a resort. people here were on vacation. it happened just a few miles from disney world. martin savage is in orlando tonight, "outfront," and martin, what is the situation at the moment, we hear about these sinkholes around the country and so many in florida. this is just a few miles from disney world, at a resort. is the hole still expanding from what i just described? >> reporter: they believe erin -- good evening, by the way -- that the hole has stabilized, but they have a new measurement on it.
it's now 100 feet across, not the original 60 feet, and is said to be at least 15 feet deep. now, the good news out of all of this, despite the dramatic photos is and the terrifying moments for over a hundred guests that were inside of one particular building, nobody was injured, nobody was killed. and that is miraculous when you look at that very remarkable footage of how the building came down. the guests did have at least some of a warning. first, the power went out, the water seemed to be acting a little funny, then they began to hear popping and cracking and then the building began to settle around them. that's when most of those guests knew they had to get out. there's a security guard who's also credited with spreading the alarm. they had about 10 to 15 minutes to get out of that building and everybody did and later large portions o of that building began to collapse. two other buildings on the property have also been evacuated, strictly as a precautionary measure. again, nobody killed, nobody injured, really, really fortunate. erin? >> i mean, miraculous, when you think about it, and the fact that you would hear cracks and actually think to get out.
that's incredible. but what about the fact that the resort didn't know? i mean, there's this feeling, when we see these sinkholes, martin, as you know, around the country, that it's just like, oh, no one has any idea. they would have had to put foundations down and build an entire resort here and market it. did they have no ideas about holes? >> reporter: it is possible. i mean, first of all, in order to check for sinkholes, you have to use ground-searching radar, which is really not too cost effective and certainly isn't required or you have to drill a lot of holes every couple of feet. that also isn't cost effective. it's also possible, even after the construction, these buildings were about 15 years old, that the ground could have eaten away after that point. so it's really a combination, really, of the acidic matter, that's the water running underground, and the fact that you have a limestone bedrock here and they just don't mix well. it opens a cavern and you get the hole. >> just incredible that people -- you just don't know. martin savage, thank you. still to come, another
politician finds himself the butt of a joke. emphasis purposeful, people. we'll show you the best political gaffes of all time, led by this one today. plus, an american court has forced a couple to change their baby's name. this is not a joke. this happened in the united states of america, right now. good move or judicial overreach? wait until you hear the name. and our tonight's shout-out. one incredible catch. the travis roy foundation wiffle ball tournament was this weekend and connor fleming made a catch you will never forget. his diving catch not only robbed a home run, it ended the game with this team winning. if the stadium looks familiar, it is because it is a miniature version of boston's fenway park, but this is in essex, vermont. our shout-out doesn't only go to connor for his catch, but the tournament which raised $500,000 for spinal cord research. i've had surgery, and yes, i have occasional constipation.
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and we are back with tonight's outer circle, where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to london, where one of the british teens attacked with acid in zanzibar last week was released from a local hospital. acid was thrown on the chests, throat, and hands of these two women. they were on vacation.
erin mclaughlin is "outfront." >> reporter: erin, new and chilling details into the events that unfolded last week in zanzibar, when two unidentified men sprayed 18-year-olds katie gee and kirstie trump with acid. speaking from zanzibar, their friend and medical student, olivia moore, told britain's channel 4 news that the men were smiling before the attack. >> reporter: the two men were on a moped and they stopped for the girls is and the two men looked at each other, nodded, and then the man in the back threw acid on the girls. and from then on, there was no incident that proceeded the actual attack. >> reporter: both women were flown back to the united kingdom for treatment. kirstie trump was released from hospital sunday evening. katie gee, who took to twitter to thank everybody for all of their support, is still being treated in a specialty burns unit.
erin? this may be hard for some parents to take, but your baby is no messiah. maybe there is, maybe one, i don't know. that was the message of a tennessee judge to parents of a 7-month-old boy. they were in court because they couldn't agree on a last name. when the judge -- judge ruled they had to change the last name, she said to change the name economy sigh a. let her explain why -- messiah. >> let her explain why. >> the word "messiah" is a title. and it's a title that has only been earned by one person, and that one person is jesus christ. >> the judge went on to say her decision is best for the child. but does her argument add up? stephanie miller, michael medved, and dean object -- dean obeidallah.
jesus is fine given its popularity. i am confused although i understand there's a distinction with jesus before and after. did the judge make the right call? >> no, of course the judge made the wrong call. the government has a lot of control over lots of aspects of our lives, but as hollywood demonstrates very regularly, you're allowed to give your child an idiotic name. one of the problems with naming your child messiah is what do you use as a nickname? do you call him mess or messy? that'll be worked out, but it's up to the parents to decide. >> dean, what do you think? because, i'm sorry, i'm still caught up on the inconsistency here of jesus versus messiah. but also, who's a judge to say only one person has earned this. i thought we had a separation between church and state? >> i'm impressed there's a judge in tennessee, first off. that just impresses me right off the back. >> oh, my gosh. >> but secondly, i'm going to be
honest, i'm going to defend the judge, not for the rationale. the rationale is ridiculous. there's separation of church and state, you do not say, because there's one messiah. it's in the best interest of the child. that's the standard when you bring an issue before the court, and i used to be a lawyer who decided on children's issues. there are certain names that are not good names. there's a guy who named his child adolf hitler in new jersey. that kid is stuck with that. or osama bin laden or sean hannity. these are horrible names! >> sean hannity, that is not fair. >> all kidding aside, one quick thing, i know stephanie wants to jump in. in tennessee, turned statute of child abuse, it includes not just physical abuse, but imminent mental abuse. if you're going to name your child messiah or a worse name, a more challenging name, the child live withes it, not the parent. they think it's cute and fun. your kid has to go every day with that and get beaten up or ostracized from society. that's wrong. >> stephanie, dean makes a point. but dean, messiah is number four among fastest growing baby names in this country. so there are lots of messiahs running around.
so, you know, when a judge -- forget the judge's rationale. even dean's rationale, does it add up that the name would be some insipient child abuse? >> well, a worm hole has opened in the universe yet again in that i agree with michael. >> i was -- >> the judge -- the judge is clearly overreaching here. you know, sadly there is no law against being an idiotic parent, erin. and you know, i don't know -- did they think that would come some second coming panic in the state? i'm not really sure. but i think that it is overreaching. you know, i think that we're a country that has a ban on certain baby names. and listen, if we're going to start, let's start with caleb. that is so pretentious. >> i'm sure we all have names we want to ban. the kid we all hated growing up. you can't imagine ever naming it that. what about, you know, are there any names that would be appropriate to ban? by the way, talk about this --
dick butkus, i don't believe that's a real thing but they are. northwest was allowed. daisy boo? >> there was a democratic senate nominee in new hampshire named dick sweat. let's not go there. >> listen, third base -- third base coach -- go ahead. >> i mean -- >> third base coach for chicago, dick pole. we have dick trickle. come on. you're right. embarrassing names. >> lots of stuff. >> but think about this, this cute name thing -- >> adolph hitler campbell had a brother named heinrich himmler campbell. and what this did, it led when he had a birthday cake where it said happy birthday adolph hitler, then child protective services came and looked. look, if you really are giving your child names like adolph hitler or maybe osama bin laden, maybe that should get the
attention after the birth occurs and the child is named of some authorities to look for cps. but the idea of actually having the government determine what names are acceptable -- you talk about big government, that's the ultimate. totally inappropriate. >> in sweden they ban names. they banned superman, ikea. i guess it was popular. elvis. look at this, you start -- once you start banning, you ban -- >> in iceland, there's only 1,800 names for men and 1,800 names women to pick from. it's literally against the law. it's case by case. if someone goes to child service and says this kid's being abused every day because of the ridiculous name his parents gave them -- you don't petition the court until you're an adult. >> there's one thing that none of you have thought about. >> which is? >> maybe he is the messiah. >> erin, this is america. if anything we have the right to be idiots. >> thanks. >> hope you're happy with yourselves. every night we look outside the top stories for something we
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