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the boys will serve as an inspiration i for more women to join her and change the game. >> it's a chance. yes or no. if we can't do it, we can't. if we can bewe eel prove them wrong. >> it looks like she'll prove them wrong. just love the way she says it. thanks for watching. anderson starts now. erin, thanks. good evening. for years iran's appearance at the united nations general assembly has been contentious, combative, explosive. iran showed up every year brimming with animosity bringing offensive speeches that emp the tied rooms. today was historic. it was, in a word, different. immediately after iran's president hassan rouhani delivered the anticipated speech he sat down with christian amanpour and said why he declined to meet with president obama today. he spoke directly to the american people in english.
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listen. >> i would like to say to american people i bring peace and friendship from iranians to americans. >> we eel have more of the interview ahead tonight. rouhani's u.n. debut came on the heels of a charm offensive many found head spinning. his overtures to the united states unexpected and suspect to some. before the interview, a look at how we got to this point. 179 riots in the streets of tehran following two years of protest. iranians are fed up with the western influence rule of the shah. it's the beginning of the islamic revolution. it's also the end of relations between iran and the united states. the shah came into power after
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an american-backed coup in 1953. he enjoyed support and good relations with the west during his rule. he's the last iranian leader to meet face to face with the u.s. president. the revolution sends the shah into exile and brings the return of ayotollah khomeni. in november 179 militants stormed the embassy in tehran taking 66 american hostages. >> the acts of barbarism perpetrated by iran can nvr be condoned. >> the u.s. responds by freezing iranian assets in the u.s. it takes 444 days before the hostages are freed. >> some 30 minutes ago, the planes bearing our prisoners
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left iranian air space and are now free of iran. [ applause ] >> direct ties between the countries are severed. the u.s. even supports iraq in its war against iran in the 1980s. the tense relationship between the two countries continues through subsequent u.s. administrations with washington imposing sanctions on iran and accusing the country of state-sponsored terrorism. >> states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world by seeking weapons of mass destruction. iran aggressively pursuing these weapons and exports terror. >> in 2005, mahmoud ahmadinejad is elected as iran's president. his eight-year rule is marked by nuclear ambitions and outrageous statements which include denying the holocaust and blaming the
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united states for the september 11 terror attacks. >> translator: some segments within the u.s. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining american economy and its grips on the middle east in order to save this zionist regime. >> now a possible fall between the u.s. and iran. the crippling sanctions coupled with the election of rouhani may bring about an open dialogue. they must uh overcome a long history of mistrust. >> iranians have long complained of a history of u.s. interference in their affairs and of america's role in overthrowing the iranian government during the cold war on the other hand, americans see an iranian government that's declared the united states an enemy. >> it's a t lot to overcome. there is a lot on the line. as you say there president obama spoke at the general assembly a few hours before president
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rouhani. he said he instructed secretary of state kerry. he said the words will have to be matched with actions that are transparent and verifiable. there was a lot of discussion over whether president obama and rouhani would meet on the sidelines and maybe shake hands. in the end they did not. officials said it was too complicated. here is some of the interview with president rouhani. >> reporter: hello, mr. president. nice to see you again. welcome to cnn. thank you for doing this for us. i want to ask you what it feels like to be what some people called the it man of this unga. highly anticipated. you seem to be the focus of attention. unusually for iranian presidents, people are looking at you with some at least cautious optimism. what does it feel like to be in this position? >> translator: before responding
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to your question i would like to extend my greetings to the people of america who are very dear and near to the hearts of the irani people and to wish them a good time and good times ahead. >> there was a lot of expectation, maybe too high expectations that you and president obama might at least shake hands today at the united nations. nobody thought there was going to be a formal meeting but perhaps you would at least say hello, shake hands, break the ice. but you didn't. uh why didn't you? >> translator: there were talks about it, in fact, to perhaps arrange for a meeting between president obama and myself. so that given the opportunity we could talk with each other. preparation for the work was done a bit as well. the united states declared its interest in having such a meeting and in principle could have, under certain circumstances, allowed it to happen. i believe we didn't have sufficient time to really coordinate the meeting. speaking of the ice-breaking you
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mentioned, it's already beginning to break because the environment is changing and that has come about as a result of the will of the people of iran to create a new era of relations between the people of iran and the rest of the world. >> reporter: are you authorized to start talking, negotiating with the united states? are you authorized by the supreme leader back in iran? >> translator: i think the president of iran has the authority whenever the national interest of the country is involved and when it is necessary and expedient and required to speak and talk with others in order to promote the rights of its nations for circumstances to be laid properly the supreme leader of iran said should negotiations be necessary for the national interest of the country he is, in fact, not opposed to it it. he has specifically mentioned it in a reevent talk that he is not optimistic regarding the issue of talks with the united states but when it comes to specific
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issues, government officials may speak with their american counterparts. now, if an opportunity was created today, had risen today and the prep work for that had been done, most probably the talks would have taken place primarily focused on the nuclear issue or the developments on the middle east. therefore the supreme leader has given permission for my government to freely negotiate on the issues. >> one of the things your predecessor did from this platform was deny the holocaust and pretend it was a myth. i i want to know your position on the holocaust. do you accept what it was? and what was it? >> translator: i have said before that i am not a historian. when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the holocaust it is the historians that should rereflect on it. in general i can tell you any crime that happens in history against humanity including the
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crime the nazis created toward the jews is reprehensible and condemnable. whatever criminality they created we condemn. the taking of human life is contemptible. it makes no difference if it is christian, jewish or muslim. it is the same. taking a life is something our religion reject s. that doesn't mean you can say nazis committed crimes against a group so they must usurp the land of another group and occupy it. this, too, is an act that should be condemned. there should be an even-handed discussion. >> reporter: finally, can you give me a sentence in english you would like to say to the miles an hour ? >> i would like to say to american people i bring peace
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and friendship from iranians to americans. >> christiane amanpour joins me now along with david gergen and mike durand. we know the white house was willing to meet with rouhani today. the iranians pulled back. president rouhani said there wasn't time to set up the meeting. did that make sense to you? >> i think there was a lot of hype that it would be a formal meeting. it was never going to be that. you're right. the white house indicated if somewhere on the sidelines there was going to be a handshake or a hello or, as i put it, an ice-breaker, yes they were up for it, willing to do it. i asked the iranian delegation since sunday was it going to happen. they said, well, we haven't taken a decision on that yet. so clearly they didn't take a decision on it and it didn't happen. i think, you know, certainly the americans believed that it was
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because of complications that he would face in iran if he did this. there are a lot of complications. i think the serious nature of what he's saying in terms of being given the authority to negotiate by the supreme leader and that a consensus has been arrived at in iran to negotiate on the nuclear issue and, as he said, other regional issues and i asked about direct bilateral issues with the united states and the fact he says he has the authority is the key issue. president obama today named secretary of state kerry and the iranians have already named their foreign minister. american educated well known to many american officials as the key negotiators on these issues. >> to you that's the most significant thing you heard today in this interview -- that he has the authority to negotiate. >> well, look, i think that is a big deal. i have been here before. i interviewed then president many years ago. he said many of the same things.
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the difference was -- and he admitted it and has written about it -- that he didn't have the backing of the supreme leader nor consensus. i believe that is a very big development in just the meeting between secretaries kerry and foreign minister zarif will be a change, a big deal. he said he's willing to take serious steps to build confidence. i pressed him on the issue of confidence. there is no confidence in what iran says it is doing with the nuclear program. on the issue of full transparency. we went through the framework he might see. they want sanctions lifted andle all of thachl he was forthcoming on the issue of tweeting where iranians don't have access to social media. he wants to make sure they have it. he wanted to make sure they have more ability on human rights. i think there were a lot of new things i heard today. >> mike, b do you buy the explanation about the meeting? you never thought meeting was wise between obama and rouhani. >> no. i don't buy the explanation.
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clearly the supreme leader has given rouhani some rope to play. we need to investigate how far he can play. i think we see already there are limits. this morning in the kahai newspaper, the mouthpiece of the regime, it was said rouhani should not shake the president's hand. then he didn't do it. it is a power game. they sense we are running after them and they are going the to play hard to get. >> david, does it sound like the u.s. had the rug pulled out? does it i make the u.s. look bad for offering? >> i think it made the u.s. look a little clumsy in its diplomacy. it was a little embarrassing when the leader of the most powerful nation on earth was willing to meet and somebody else basically snubs him. you know, that's an embarrassing moment. but i think it's small to go back to the christiane's point compared to the larger picture we see here. ultimately just a footnote.
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the larger picture is the obama administration deserved credit along with the bush administration in bringing the sanctions to bear. that's what's bringing president rouhani to the table. >> these sanctions have had teeth. >> they have clearly had teeth for a while. the revenue from oil now is half of what it had been. but what the sanctions really started. they have the highest inflation rate in 145 countries around the world. it's been going up rapidly this the last few months. either under a lot of pressure at home from people in the streets. we saw back in the clinton year with hatami uh a similar set of overtures. bill clinton was enthusiastic about it and they really pulled the rug out on him. that whole thing fell apart. that's what's giving all of us caution. >> christiane, i want to play your exchange about the nuclear issue. it's difficult to understand what he's willing to do in a
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concrete way to establish confidence. listen. >> reporter: in broad, what are you willing to do to inspire confidence? i know i have asked you this already. i don't hear you saying -- maybe i don't understand. clearly what people want is full transparency. is iran, yes or no, willing to give that level of confidence that there is no doubt that what you say you are doing you're actually doing? >> translator: over 40 countries have en richment capacities. many of them have ongoing enrichment operations. what is the difference between iran and those countries? now, there are countries that have not even accepted the mpt or even agreed to work with the iaea that has accepted and committed to the mpt.
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iran has accepted and committed itself to the safe guards agreement. all of its activities are under the supervision of the iaea. >> he's saying also to you that there are cameras all over the place. that they haven't deviated. that the iaea is happy with the way things are in iran, but that's not accurate. >> it is and it isn't. there are cameras and inspectors and iran is cooperating under the strict terms of the iaea and the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. the people want to know if the iranians are willing to go over and above to give more transparency. that's what i was i trying to get at. many of his aides say, yes, iran is willing. he wasn't going to negotiate with me in an interview. i pushed him on 20% enrichment and capacity. he wouldn't bite on that or the under ground plant everybody talked about with the more
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advanced centrifuges. what i find interesting is he did seem to indicate that there is another issue we know about. that's a heavy water reactor called iraq at iraq. many people are worried it could be used for plutonium extraction. it's another way, if it was desired, to go toward a weapon. that may be coming online, was designed to come online in the spring. he indicated that there was flexibility to putting that on the table. i thought that was interesting. because that was where he indicated there may be some bargaining point. to be honest, that's the thing many people are worried about in terms of a point of no return. >> mike, do you buy the explanation? >> i thought david's point that the symbolism of them snubbing us was a good one. i think it's symbolic of the danger we have here which is that we are perceived as running after them. we have to be careful about our
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own exuberance. if we get involved in a negotiation and they say, to continue this you have to start lifting sanctions at them we'll fooint find ourselves quickly makinging concessions to them in return for continuation of process. this is extremely dangerous, i think. >> we'll have more of the interview -- >> anderson? >> go ahead. >> that issue is the crux of it. there has to be according to the iranians proportional reciprocity. if you give us this, you have to give us that. on and on until the situation is over. i think certainly if the u.s. and west doesn't do that, according to the iranians, it will be a deal breaker and the window will close. he has to go back with something to show for what they are doing. i'm not sure the u.s. is running after them. they look more eager to do this. >> critics of the idea will say it's preconditioned. >> absolutely. i think president obama has his
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own pressure back home. he'll be under enormous pressure from both parties and ex perts not to make concessions early. he has a history when negotiating of sometimes making a preemptory concession. >> we'll talk about it at the 10:00 roundtable. follow me at twitter @anderson cooper. i want to thank my guests. i will tweet tonight. kenya's president says the four-day siege is over after three floors of the mall collapsed. is it over? we'll get the latest from the scene. and a live shot from the senate floor where ted cruz has a marathon protest speech against obamacare. we'll see how long he's willing to stand at the podium and what, if anything, it might accomplish. >> announcer: "anderson cooper 360" is brought to you by -- america's natural gas. electricity comes from.
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photographic evidence. it is not clear if the siege is over. there are conflicting reports. ken kenya's president said the terrorists have been defeated. he said 61 civilians and six members of the security forces died in the effort to retake the mall. he said three floors of the shopping mall have collapsed, trapping bodies underneath. he didn't explain what caused the collapse. heavy smoke was visible today pouring out of the complex. the last time we have seen video shot inside the mall was saturday in the early hours of the attack when journalists went in with security forces. the kenyan authorities have confirmed a woman was among the attackers. do we know more? there have been a lot of reports, speculation. do we know any facts? >> reporter: well, the speculation reevolves around a well known suspected al qaeda financier who is british.
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they had very strong intelligence that led them to believe there was a british woman and two or three americans among the attackers. they are waiting for evidence. you were talking about the three floors that collapsed. the crime scene is going to be an extraordinary mess. we are waiting for forensic experts from around the world to come in including from the uk, the u.s. and israel to start answering questions. >> is the situation there now resolved? there have been conflicting reports about whether it's fully contained as the government is claiming. >> reporter: well, in terms of an active operation, that is resolved. there is still a heavy military presence here. the president spoke about five hostage takers killed. when this started we were told there were at least 10 to 15 armed men inside the building. the obvious question is whether have the rest of them gone. the other question which is actually the most painful one for people here is the kenyan
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president made no mention of the remaining hostages. we have no idea if they are alive, if they are dead. the only thing we know for a fact is the death toll, given the description of what it looks like in there with bodies piled up, the death toll is set to rise, anderson. >> the 11 other suspects who have been taken into custody alive, they are not from inside the mall? >> reporter: that's not the sense we are getting. they appear -- and this is just preliminary intelligence we are getting. they appear to be part of a broader support network. what's most kor worrying for authorities here and in allied countries like the u.s. and the uk is these guys were picked up at the airport. they were on their way out of kenya which presumes they have a support network elsewhere whether in the u.s.
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that's why we are seeing israelis, the u.s. and the uk lend ing a willing helping hand. they are worried. they need to know how far internationally the network reaches. >> that is a great question then if the 11 were taken elsewhere and five were killed inside the mall where are the rest of them? did they escape with the civilians who went out? were they crushed under falling debree ? we don't know. we'll try to find out. senior kenyan official telling cnn there appear ed to be a woman among the terrorists and she was killed early in the siege. until 1st and 10 sicks are completed it is impossible to know. she could be the fugitive some call the white widow whose real name is samantha luthwait. there is no evidence she was involved but her name has come up repeatedly because of her links to a known terrorist, her former husband. david mackenzie traveled this last year to look for her. >> reporter: this british mother is a wanted woman. she was once cast as a victim.
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the pregnant wife of one of the suicide bombers who hit london in 2005. she condemned the attack in an interview with the british newspaper. intelligence forces say she was now part of a terror cell. she became known as the white widow. we are here to track her down. in december of 2011 kenyan police helped british authorities raid these homes in the dead of night in pursuit of a complex wave of terror. >> translator: they found enough bomb-making equipment to wreak havoc. >> the nature and amount of weapons recovered in the house, the information received prior and after that, it would mean the intentions must have been
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sinister. >> reporter: kenyan intelligence officials say the cell planned to destroy the bridge, a ferry and unspecified western targets. police arrested several kenyans and a britain, jermaine grant who faces terror-reelated charges. he show uhhed up in court tuesday charged with conspiracy to commit a felony and possession of explosives. he pleaded not guilty. kenyan police say grant knew samantha who entered on a south african passport and moved among radical islamists. one of them is on a u.s. terror watch list. he denies any links to terror groups. >> nobody in mumbasa came across here except the anti-terror police unit. nobody knows about her. nobody has seen her. she's a myth.
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i'm giving you a challenge. go find somebody who's seen her. >> reporter: so we tried. first heading north on a tip. intelligence officials believe she spent a significant amount of time in this luxury villa north of mombasa. they say an arabic-looking man paid three months up front but he never saw a woman. we get a lead in another neighborhood. >> she didn't want to say her name and she used to hide her face. a security guard didn't want to show his face. she moved in and was always in a full hijab. >> translator: she never wanted people in her house. it was just her and her children. when she wanted to send me she would give me money through the hole in the gates to the shop to buy water or meat. >> reporter: did you feel it was strange? >> yes. it was very strange. >> reporter: authorities say
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lewthwaite lived with a naturalized briton. they are accuse uhhed of planning terror attacks. one day i the security guard watched her leave with her children. that night she vanished. some intelligence officials believe she's been a committed jihadist. others say she's been little more than a sympathizer. the mystery of the white widow remains. >> for more on the story go to up next, senator ted cruz, a tea party favorite, is hours into his marathon protest of obamacare. what he hopes to accomplish and what he might accomplish coming up next. and the photograph a south carolina couple waited a long time to take with their adopted daughter. we talk to a close family friend about baby veronica who is finally home with her adopted parents, just ahead.
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a little more happening tonight. a 360 bulletin. >> senator ted cruz of texas, he ro of the tea party, is speaking on the senate floor this hour in a marathon protest of obamacare. he's seeking to cut all funding to the program. he started speaking this afternoon and said he'll talk until he is no longer able to stand. it looks like he's run out of things to say against obamacare. he just finished reading bedtime stories to his children from right there on the senate floor. while cruz is speaking this afternoon, president obama talked about what he says on the benefits of obamacare with
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former president bill clinton at a meeting of the initiative in new york. and bono is also attending the clinton global initiative. he's a friend of clinton and a major supporter of the organization. in a light-hearted moment he did a spot-on impression of the former president from the first time he met the singer. [ as clinton ] he walked into the oval office and uh i thought it was a member of his own road crew. [ laughter ] it wasn't really dressed right. i felt like the rock star on that occasion. >> very good. >> he spent a long time doing it. >> bono is cool. >> thank you very much. we're done. a story we have been following for years. the battle for a little girl once known as baby veronica. now 4 years old she's back with the family who adopted her as a newborn. all smile there is.
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yesterday the oklahoma supreme court ruled she should be returned to the capobiancos. she was returned to her biological father who invoked a law meant to keep native american children with native american families. it's been tied up in the courts since then. last night brown handed her back in a transfer the cherokee nation called peaceful and dignified. jessica monday is a close friend of the family and joins us now. how is veronica doing? >> she's doing wonderfully. she's been reunited with her parents. they have been so incredibly hap happy. >> did she recognize them? >> she did. we had no doubt. the bond they had as a family would make any parent envious. they were very, very close.
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there was no doubt and she remembered them. >> walk us through, if you can, the last 24 hours from the time the oklahoma supreme court lifted it at the time. >> it all happened so incredibly fast. we knew they were going to file a motion to lift the stay but, as you know, the legal ordeal has been going on so long we have almost gotten accustomed to expecting that when you take an action legally that you are going i to have to wait for a while. we were all very surprised that out happened as quickly as it did. >> i understand the capobiancos are no longer in oklahoma. can you say where they are? >> they are on their way home. they are taking their time to get home. they're anxious to get home and see family, but right now they're really just focused on spend ing time with their daughter and this reunion and soaking up every minute they can. >> as i understand it now her
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biological father has novice tags right is. attorneys say he's devastated. the family said in the past they want him to remain a part of veronica's life. after all that's happened is that still the ace? do they still want him to be a part of her life? >> you know, anderson, this has always been an open adoption. there is no doubt in my mind matt and melanie will keep it that way. they are in tune with what's best for veronica. they don't want to ail yes nate her from where she came from and her birth family. >> do they believe this is finally over? are they concerned her biological father may continue to fight to get her back or the cherokee nation? >> it's our understanding that this is close now. having the supreme court rule in our favor uh was a huge win. now having the state of oklahoma and the state of south carolina both recognized in the adoption, she 's now -- matt and melanie
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are now her parents across the world. there is no question anymore from a legality standpoint who her parents are. we are just very excited that she's home. our hearts go to the brown family. no one ever wanted the situation to escalate to the point that it did. no one knows better how they feel than matt and he will any. >> thank you very much for taking the time to talk. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> it's finally over for them. up next, the family of marlon brown disagrees with the medical examiner's ruling that his death under a police cruiser was an accident. we'll explore that ahead. when you've got to get to the other side of no-man's-land,
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in the crime and punishment report tonight was the death of a man under a police car an accident? the medical examiner said the death was accidental. there was no evidence he was struck by the police vehicle. brown's family calls it an execution saying the proof is on the videotape. we'll show it to you. it is hard to watch. if you need to turn away, do so now. the video is from the dash cam showing brown running through a vacant lot toward trees and shrubs where he slips and falls and the car stops on top of him. the attorney for the family
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called the medical examiner's report inaccurate and demands an independent review. there are questions about the medical examiner tonight. >> reporter: on the run from police in florida marlon brown never expected this is how his life would end. in an instant he's gone. brown disappears underneath the officer's patrol car. the officer had been chasing him for a seat belt violation. brown's family calls it an execution saying officer james harris never slowed down or swerved to avoid hitting brown. that's not what the medical examiner for the county found. in this autopsy report, dr. shipping bow called the death in may an accident. most controversially that the car did not, repeat did not hit brown. because there were no pelvic or skull fractures. instead the medical examiner
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found brown died from mechanical asphyxia, the weight of the car cut off his oxygen. the report was reviewed and signed by the chief medical examiner. willy gary is dr. bow's lawyer. you are confident in his skills? >> absolutely. >> reporter: you think he's qualified? >> his record speaks for itself. he's more than qualified. >> reporter: that may be true with more than 3,000 autopsies under his belt. remember, dr. bao also performed the autopsy on trayvon martin after the teenager was shot by george zimmerman. >> call your next witness please. >> i would call dr. bao. >> reporter: on the stand in july bao had attorneys on both sides shaking their heads. first he didn't remember details about his own autopsy. >> all i knew was in the morning i did autopsy. i do not have any memory of the day of autopsy. all i have are the notes i have. >> let me be sure i understand.
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>> without notes i cannot tell you any fact. >> you have no memory. >> yes. >> of any of the events surrounding the autopsy itself. >> yes. i try very hard. >> reporter: then dr. bao tersely re fused to let the defense attorney see his notes. >> may i see them, please? >> i would rather you do not see. this is my notes. nobody saw that before. >> dr. bao, if you are going to be reading from your notes, both attorneys are entitled to see what you are reading from. >> reporter: finally, bao suddenly offered a brand new conclusion about how long trayvon martin survived. >> i believe trayvon martin was alive for one to ten minutes after he was shot. >> are you saying his brain is still technically arrive in other words? >> yes. >> that's what you mean by still alive in terms of conscious. his brain is still alive? >> yes. >> he can still feel pain in other words. >> yes. >> that conclusion was roundly mocked and things fell apart for
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dr. bao after that. in august, the county sent dr. bao a letter notifying him he would be terminated. he was given 30 days to find another job. when he didn't quit he was officially fired on september 6 sh losing his $175,000 a year job. county officials wouldn't say why he was fired. his lawyer said it was because the county needed a fall guy to help subdue anger after george zimmerman was acquitted of murder. they are currently planning to sue the county. but this marlon brown case is only bringing more controversy to bao's tenure. >> the video speaks the truth. the truth is you can see marlon being struck by i the car. it's not about what i say. it's not about what i believe. it's about the video, the objective evidence and what you can soo for yourself. >> reporter: randy kaye, cnn, stuart florida. >> let's dig deeper with the chief of pathology at me moirl hospital and medical examiner at
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burlington county, new jersey. thanks for being with us. the results of mr. brown's autopsy. you agree, yes? >> yes. mr. brown was run over by the vehicle anded his body was twisted forward. his head was driven into his chest. something called positional asphyxia. he couldn't breathe and unfortunately suffocated. if there had been a way to jack the car up or lift the car up he might have been saved. it was a tragic accident. >> so there is no evidence he was actually struck by the vehicle because in the video it looks like he slips and falls, but it looks like his head is up until right when the vehicle goes over him. so there is no evidence he was struck. >> to a medical examiner in this case what they mean by struck is there is no fractures of his legs, long bones, no fracture of the pelvis. not even a fracture of the skull though it appears as he rolled under the vehicle he may have been hit by the car. but there is no fractures there.
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this was not as violent a collision as may be portrayed in this video . as i say, he ended up in a position where he suffocated. >> how long would that suffocation take? >> out would take one to two minutes before he would become unconscious. then four to five to six minutes before his heart would go into ventricular fibrillation, aarithmetic mee i can't and death. sometimes they can lift up the vehicle and save the person. here they didn't get the vehicle off him soon enough. >> was the car on top of him? could he have slid out if he was conscious? >> no. the vehicle was pressed on top of his body. he had no room to crawl out from the vehicle itself. the injury patterns show that the vehicle was pressed on top of his body. this type of accident happens when people are working under their car and the jack slips and
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the car comes down and presses your chest. you can't breathe. so you die of this positional asphyxia. this is the same type of death. >> clearly the family disagrees with what you believe it is and disagrees with what dr. bao found. how easy would it be to get a second opinion, to gt either another autopsy done or a review of the autopsy that was done? >> oh, absolutely. in fact, this case was presented to the grand jury and under florida statutes vehicular homicide, you have to be speeding and police are allowed to speed. you have to be under the influence. the police weren't under the influence of alcohol or drugs. finally if they are racing each other. they are not drag racing or anything like that. i think the statute is specific here. certainly another pathologist can come in, review the case and offer a second opinion. absolutely. >> doctor, i appreciate your perspective. up next, gruesome details about a kidnapping and double
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murder. how the mother and brother of kidnapping victim hannah anderson were killed likely at the hands of a long time family friend. and disney takes action after word that wealthy customers paid disabled people to help them cut the lines. we'll tell you what disney has done now. while a body in motin tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam
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