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for years iran's appearance at the united nations general assembly has been many things. contentious, insulting, combative, explosive. iran showed up every year delivering venomous offensive speeches to reliably empty rooms. however today was historic. it was in a word different.
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immediately after iran's president hasan rouhani delivered his speech he sat down with our own christiane amanpour and spoke to the american people in english. >> i would like to say to american people, i bring peace and friendship from iranians to americans. >> more of christiane interview just ahead tonight. his interview came on the heels of a charm offensive that many found head spinning. his recent diplomatic overtures to the united states suspect by some. a look at how we got to this point. >> 1979, riots sweeped the
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streets of take han following nearly two years of protests. iranians are fed up with the western influenced rule of the shah. it's the beginning of the islamic revolution. and it's also the end of relations between iran and the united states. the shah came into power after an american-backed coups in 1953, enduring his quarter-century rule he enjoyed support and good relations with the west. he's the last iranian lead for meet face-to-face with a u.s. president. the revolution sends the shah into exile and brings the return of ayatollah khomeini who takes religious and political control of the country declaring iran an islamic state and calling the united states the great satan. in november, 1979, was the ayatollah's blessing, militants stormed the u.s. embassy in tehran taking 66 american hostages. >> the acts of barbarism
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perpetrated by iran can never be condoned. >> the u.s. freezes iranian assets in the u.s. it takes 444 days before the hostages are final free. >> some 30 minutes ago, the planes bearing our prisoners left iranian air space and are now free. [ applause ] >> direct ties between the two countries are severed. the u.s. even supports iraq in its war against iran in the 1980s. tense relationship between the two countries continues through subsequent u.s. administrations with washington imposing sanctions on iran and accusing the country of state-sponsored terrorism. >> states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world by seeking weapons of mass destruction. these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror.
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>> in 2005, hard liner mahmoud ahmadinejad is elected as iran's president. his eight-year rule is marked by nuclear ambitions and outrageous statements against the west, which include denying the holocaust and blaming the united states for the 9/11 terror attacks. >> translator: some segments within the u.s. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining american economy and its grips on the middle east in order to save the zionist regime. >> now a possible thaw between iran and the u.s. the effects of crippling sanctions against iran coupled with the election of president hassan rouhani may bring about an open dial will go but they must overcome a history of distrust. >> iran has complained about history of interference of u.s. in their affairs and of america's role in overthrowing the iranian government during
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the cold war. on the other hand, americans see an iranian government that has declared the united states an enemy. >> that's a lot to overcome, but there's also a lot on the line. you see there president obama spoke with the general assembly a few hours before president rouhani. he said he had instrengthed secretary of state kerry to pursue face-to-face negotiations with iran on its nuclear program. he warned that iran's words will have to be matched with actions that are transparent and also verifiable. there was obviously a lot of discussion today over whether president obama and rouhani would meet on the sidelines and maybe even shake hands. in the end they did not. officials said it was too complicated. you'll hear some of christiane's interview with president rouhani. >> hello, mr. president. nice to see you. nice to see you again. exactly, please, welcome to cnn. thank you for doing this for us. i want to ask you what it feels like to be what some people have called the it man of this unga. highly anticipated, you seem to be the focus of attention.
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an unusual for the iranian presidents, people are looking at you with some at least cautious optimism. what does it feel like to be in this position? >> translator: before responding to your question, i'd like to actually extend my greetings to the people of america who are very dear and near to the hearts of the iranian people and to wish them a good time and good times ahead. >> there was a lot of expectation, maybe too high expectations, that you and president obama might at least shake hands today at the united nations. nobody thought there was going to be a formal meeting, but perhaps that you would at least say hello, shake hands, break the ice. but you didn't. why didn't you? >> translator: there were some talks about it, in fact, to perhaps arrange for a meeting between president obama and myself, so that given the opportunity we can talk with each other. in preparation for the work that
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was done of it as well, the united states declared its interest in having such a meeting. and in principle could have under certain circumstances allowed it to happen. but i believe we didn't have sufficient time to really coordinate the meeting. but speaking of the ice breaking that you mentioned, it's already beginning to break, because the environment is changing. and that has come about as a result of the will of the people of iran to create a new era of relations between the people of iran and the rest of the world. >> are you authorized to start talking, negotiating, with the united states? are you authorized by the supreme leader back in iran? >> translator: i think that the president of iran has the authority whenever the national interest of the country is involved, and when it's necessary and expedient and required to speak and talk with others in order to promote the rights of its nations for circumstances to be laid properly the supreme leader of iran has said that should
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negotiations be necessary for the national interest of the country, he is in fact not opposed to it. he has specifically mentioned anytime a recent talk that he is not optimistic regarding the issue of talks with the united states, but when it comes to specific issues, government officials may speak with their american counterparts. now, if an opportunity was created today, had arisen today, and the prep work for that had been done, most probably the talks would have taken place primarily focused on the nuclear issue or the developments on the middle east. therefore, the supreme leader, i can tell you, has given permission for my government to freely negotiate on these issues. >> one of the things your predecessor used to do from this very platform was deny the holocaust and pretend that it was a myth. i want to know, you, your position on the holocaust. do you accept what it was? and what was it?
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>> translator: i said before that i am not a historian, and that when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the holocaust it is the historians that should reflect on it. but in general i can tell you that any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crime the nazis created towards the jews, is reprehensible and condemnable. whatever criminalality they committed against the jews we condemn. the taking of human life is contemptible. it makes no difference whether that life is jewish life, christian or muslim. for us it is the same. the taking of human life is something our religion rejects. but this does not mean that on the other hand you can say nazis committed crimes against a group now therefore they must usurp the land of year group and occupy it. this too is an act that should be condemned. there should be an even-handed discussion. >> and finally, can you give me a sentence in english that you would like to say to the
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american people? >> i would like to say to american people, i bring peace and friendship from iranians to americans. >> christiane amanpour joins me now. i bring in david gergen and michael duran. we know the president obama was willing to meet with president rouhani today. president rouhani said there wasn't time to set up the meetinging. did that make sense to you? >> there was a lot of hype that there would be a formal meeting. the white house said and indicate the if somewhere on the sidelines there was going to be a handshake or hello or as i put it an ice breaker they were up for it and willing to do it.
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i'd asked the iranian delegation since sunday was it going to happen. they said well we haven't take an decision on that yet. so clearly they didn't take a decision on it, and it didn't happen. but i think and certainly the americans believed that it was because of complications that he would face in iran if he did it. and look, there are a lot of complications. but i do think that the serious nature of what he's saying in terms of being given the authority to negotiate by the supreme leader and that a consensus has been arrived at in iran to negotiate on the nuclear issue and as he said other regional issues -- i also asked him about direct bilateral issues with the united states in the fact that he says he has that authority is the key issue. and president obama today named secretary of state kerry and iranians have already named their foreign minister american-educated, well-known to many american officials as the key negotiators on these very issues. >> so to you that's the most significant thing you heard today in this interview?
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that he has the authority to negotiate? >> well look, i think that is a big deal. because i've been here before. i interviewed the then reform president hosseini many years ago. he said the same things, was womening to do the same things. the difference was he's written about it he didn't have the backing of the supreme leader nor the consensus. so i do believe that that is a very big development in just the meeting between secretaries kerry and form minister zareif will be a change, a big deal. it hasn't happened at that level. he said he was willing to take serious steps to build confidence. i pressed him on the issue of confidence. there's no confidence in what iran says it's doing with its nuclear program on the issue of full transparency. we went through the kind of framework that he might see, obviously they want sanctions lifted and all of that. he was very forthcoming on the issue of tweeting where iranians don't have access to social media. he says he wants to make sure they did have it. on human rights he wants to make
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sure they have more ability. so i think there were a lot of new things i heard today. >> and i want to play more of that. mike first, do you buy that explanation about the meeting? you never thought the meeting was wise between obama and rouhani? >> no, i don't buy the explanation. clearly the supreme leader has given rouhani some rope to play. and we need to investigate how far he can play. but i think we see already there are limits. this morning in the kahan newspaper, official mouth piece of the regime, it was said that rouhani should not shake the president's hand and he didn't do it. i think it's also a bit of a power game. they sense we're running after them and are going to play hard to get. >> david, does it sound like the u.s. had the rug pulled out from underneath it? does it make the u.s. look bad for offering or good for us? >> i think it made the u.s. look a little clumsy in its diplomacy. i think it was a little embarrassing when the leader of the most powerful nation on
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earth was willing to meet and somebody else basically snubs him. i think that that's an embarrassing moment. but i think it's small to go back to christiane's point, i think it's small anderson compared to the larger picture we see here may ultimately be just a footnote. the larger picture is that the obama administration deserves credit along with the bush administration in bringing these sanctions to bear. that's what's bringing president rouhani to the table. >> these sanctions have had teeth. >> they clearly have had teeth. they've been having teeth for awhile. i mean, the revenue from oil now is half of what it had been before the sanctions started biting. they've got the highest inflation rate in the world and it's going up rapidly in the last few months. they're under a lot of pressure at home from people in the streets. we saw as christiane also said we saw back in the clinton years, a similar set of overturs. bill clinton as president got quite enthusiastic about pursuing it. then they really pulled back. they really pulled the rug out
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on him when he went and the whole thing fell apart. i think that's what's giving all of us a lot of caution about interpreting this. >> christiane i want to play your exchange with rouhani about the nuclear issue. it's difficult to understand what he's willing to do in a concrete way to establish confidence. let's listen. >> in broad, what is it that you're willing to do to inspire confidence? i know i've asked you this already, but i don't hear you saying -- maybe i don't understand, but clearly what people want is full transparency. so is iran, yes, or no, willing to give that level of confidence that there is no doubt that what you say you're doing you're actually doing? >> translator: over 40 countries have enrichment capacities, and many of them have ongoing enrichments operations. what is the difference between iran and those countries?
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now, there are countries that have not even accepted the mpt or even agreed to work with the iaea that iran has accepted and is committed to the mpt. iran has accepted and committed itself to the safeguards agreement. all of its activities are under the supervision of the iaea. >> he's saying also, christiane to you, that there are cameras all over the place, that they haven't deviated, that the iaea is happy with the way things are in iran. but that's simply not accurate. >> well, it is and it isn't. there are cameras and there are inspectors and iran is cooperating under the strict terms of the iaea and the mpt, the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. what people want to know is whether the iranians are willing to go over and above to give even more transparency. and so that is what i was trying to get at. now, many of his aides say that
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yes, iran is willing to do that. but he obviously wasn't going to negotiate with me in an interview. i pushed him on 20% enrichment capacity. he wouldn't bite on that. he wouldn't bite on the bordeaux plan, the underground plan that everybody talked about which has the more advanced centrifuges. i did find interesting he did seem to indicate that there is another issue we all know about, the heavy water reactor called iraq at iraq. many people are worried that that could be used for plutonium extraction. that's another way fit was so despaired to go towards a weapon. that may be coming online. or was designed to come online in the spring. he indicated that there was flexibility to putting that on the table. i thought that was quite interesting. because that was where he indicated there may be some bargaining point. to be honest with you, that's the thing that many people are worried about in terms of a point of no return. >> mike, do you buy the explanation from rouhani? >> i thought david's point that
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the symbolism today of them snubbing us is a small one was a good one. but i think it's symbolic of the danger that we have here, which is that we are perceived as running after them. and we have to be careful about our own exuberance. because if we get involved in a negotiation with them and they immediately turn around and they say, you know what, to continue this negotiation you're going to have to start lifting sanctions, we're going to find ourselves very quickly making concessions to them in return for continuation of process in this extremely dangerous, i think. >> we'll have more of christiane's interview. >> anderson? >> go ahead, christiane. >> that issue is the real crux of it. there has to be, according to the iranians, some kind of reciprocity, proportional reciprocity. if we give you this you have to give us that and on and on until the situation is over. and i think certainly if the u.s. and the west doesn't do that according to the iranians, that's going to be a deal breaker and this window is going to close. basically he has to go back with
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something to show for what they did. i'm not sure that the u.s. is running after them. they look more like they are eager to do this as you say the sanctions lifting. >> the critics will say that's precondition to sitting down. >> absolutely. i do think that president obama's got his own pressures back home. and that's going to be -- he's going to be under enormous pressure from both parties and from experts not to make concessions early. and he's got a history of when he negotiates of sometimes making a preemptorry concession. >> let me know what you think. follow me on twitt twitter @andersoncooper. just ahead, kenya's president says the four-day siege at a nairobi mall is finally over. also live shot from the senate floor where senator ted cruz is conducting a marathon protest speech against obamacare. we'll see how long he says he's willing to stand at the podium and what if anything it actually might accomplish. people don't have to think about
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nairobi terror attack, officials said a woman appeared to be one of the attackers. also tonight it's still not entirely clear the four-day siege is really over. there are conflicting reports. kenya's president says the terrorists have been defeated with five of them dead, 11 other sus next cu suspects in custody. he said 61 died in an effort to retack the mall. he said three floors of the shopping mall have collapsed trapping bodies underneath. he didn't explain what caused the collapse. heavy smoke was visible today pouring out of the complex. we saw video shot early on where journalists were able to go in with security forces. cnn's nima elbaga joins me now. we hear there was a woman among the attackers. do we know any facts? >> reporter: well, speculation revolves around samantha lewthwaite a well-known
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suspected al qaeda financier who's british. the kenyan president came out i think the strongest on record session that we've had, he said they had very strong snae intelligence that led them to believe it was a british woman and two or three americans among the attackers. they're still waiting for forensic evidence. you were just talking about the three floors that collapsed. that crime scene in there will be an extraordinary mess. we're waiting for forensic experts around the world coming from the u.s., the u.k. and israel. now answering some of those questions. >> is it situation there now resolved? there have been a lot again conflicting reports today about whether it's fully contained as the government is claiming. >> reporter: well, it's an active operation is resolved but there is still a heavy military presence here. the president spoke about five hostage takers being killed. when this all started we were told there were at least ten to 15 armed men inside that
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building. the obvious question is, where have the rest of them gone. the other question which i think is actually the most painful one for people here, that is the kenyan president made absolutely no mention of the remaining hostages. we have no idea if they're alive or dead. the only thing we do know for a fact is that death toll given what we've heard the description of what it looks like in there with bodies piled up that death toll is set to rise. >> so the 11 other suspects taken into custody alive, they're not from inside the mall? >> reporter: that's not the sense we're getting. they appear -- and this is obviously just very preliminary intelligence that we're getting -- they appear to be part of a broader support network. i think what's most worrying for authorities here and in allied countries like the u.s. and the u.k. is that these guys were picked up at the airport. they were on their way out of
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kenya, which presumes they have some kind of support network in the u.s. or elsewhere. this is a great concern that's the background to all of this. i think that's also why we're seeing the israelis and the u.s. and u.k. lending such a willing helping hand. they're worried, and they need to know how far internationally this network reaches. >> that is a great question. and if the 11 were taken elsewhere and five were killed inside the mall, where are the rest of them? did they escape with the civilians who went out? were they crushed underneath the falling debris? we still don't know. nima, appreciate it. as we just reported, a senior kenyan official telling cnn there appeared to be a woman among the terrorist killed early on in the siege. it's impossible to know if she's the white widow, whose name is samantha lewthwaite. there's no evidence that she is in kenya or was involved in the mall attack, but her name has come up repeatedly because of her links to a known terrorist, her former husband. cnn's david mckenzie traveled to
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mumbasa in kenya last year to look for her. >> reporter: this british woman is a wanted woman. samantha lewthwaite was once the pregnant wife of the london bomber who hit in town 2005. she surfaced here in mambasa. head intelligence sources say lewthwaite was part of an african-based terror cell. she became known as the white widow. we're here to track her down. in december of 2011, kenyan police helped by british authorities raided these three homes in the dead of night in pursuit of a complex web of terror. they found enough bomb making equipment to wreak havoc. >> the nature and amount of weapons we recovered in that house and the information we
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received prior, it would be that the indications must have been terror. >> reporter: kenyan officials intelligence say they planned to destroy the bridge in nairobi and other unspecified targets. police arrested jermaine grant. he faces trial in kenya on terror-related charges. he showed up in an mumbasa court tuesday charged with conspiracy to commit a felony and possession of explosives. he pleaded not guilty. kenyan police say grant knew samantha lewthwaite who entered on a south african passport and moved among mumbasa's radical islamists. one of them, abu baka shareef is on a u.s. terror watch list although he denies links to terror groups. >> nobody in kenya came across
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her. nobody knows about her. nobody has seen her. she's a myth. and i'm giving you a challenge. go and find somebody who has seen her. >> reporter: so we tried. first heading north out of mumbasa on a tip. officials believe lewthwaite spent an extensive amount of time in this luxury villa north of mumbasa. the caretaker said a man paid three months up front but he never saw a woman. in another upscale neighborhood we get a lead. >> she did not want to say her name and she used to hide her face. >> a security guard didn't want to show his face said a white woman moved into the compound with her three young children. she was always in a full hijab. >> translator: she never wanted people inside her house. it was just her and the children. so when she wanted to send me, she would give me money through the hole in the gates. she would send me to the shop to
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buy water or meat. >> do you feel that was strange at the time? >> translator: yes, it was very strange. >> authorities say lewthwaite was living with habib ghani, a naturalized britain. they are both accused of planning terror attacks. one day the security guard watched the woman leave with her children that. night the police raided. she had vanished. some intelligence officials believe she has been a committed jihadist, while others say she's been little more than a sympathizer. the mystery of the white widow remains. dan mckenzie, cnn, mumbasa, kenya. >> for more on that story go to cnn.com. up next senator ted cruz a tea party favorite is now hours into his protest of obamacare. what he's hoping to accomplish and what he actually might accomplish coming up next. also the photograph of a south carolina couple waited a long time to take with their adopted daughter. we'll talk to a close family friend about the girl known as
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a lot more happening tonight. isha sesay has the bulletin. >> reporter: senator ted cruz of texas is speaking on the senate floor at this hour in a marathon protest of obamacare. he's seeking to cut all funding to the program. cruz started speaking this afternoon and says he'll talk until he's no longer able to stand. but it looks like he's run out of things to say against obamacare. he just finished reading bedtime stories to his children from right there on the senate floor. while cruz was speaking this afternoon, president obama
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talked about what he says are the benefits of obamacare with former president bill clinton at a meeting of the clinton global initiative in new york. and bono is also attending the clinton global initiative. he's a friend of clinton and a major supporter of the organization. in a light-hearted moment he did a spot on impression of the former president from the first time he met the singer. >> he walked me through the oval office. actually i thought it was a member of his own road crew. he wasn't really dressed right. actually i felt like the rock star on that occasion. >> very good. >> he went on a long time doing it. >> very cool. >> all right. we're done. a 360 follow now on the story we've been covering for years, the battle for the little girl once known as baby veronica now 4 years old. she's now back with her adoptive
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couple who adopted her as a newborn. yesterday the oklahoma supreme court ruled veronica should be returned to her adoptive parents. two years ago she was taken away from them an returned to her biological father dustin brown who invoked a law meant to keep native american children with native american families. the issue has been tide up in the court since then. yesterday brown handed veronica back to the couple in a transfer the cherokee nation called peaceful and dignified. >> jessica, first of all how is veronica doing? >> she's doing wonderfully. she's been reunited with her parents, and they have just been so incredibly happy. and it's just been a very beautiful reunion. >> did she remember them? did she instantly recognize them? >> she did. she did. we had no doubt. the bond that they had as a family would make any parent envious. they were very, very close
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family. and there was no doubt. and yes, she remembered them. >> walk us through if you can the last 24 hours from the time the oklahoma supreme court lifted the stay to the time she was turned over. >> it all happened so incredibly fast. we knew that they were going to final motion to lift the stay, but as you know, this legal ordeal has been going on for so long we've almost gotten accustomed to expecting that when you take an action legally that you're going have to wait for a little while. so we were all very surprised that it happened as quickly as it did. >> and i understand the family is no longer in oklahoma. can you say where they are? >> they are actually on their way home, but they are taking their time. they're taking their time to get back home. they're anxious to get home and see family, but right now they're just really focused on spending time with their daughter and this reunion and
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just soaking up every minute that they can. >> as i understand it now, veronica's biological father has no visitation rights. attorneys say he's devastated. i know the family have said in the past they want him to remain a part of veronica's life after all this, after all that's happened is that still the case? do they still want him to be a part of her life? >> anderson, this has always been an open adoption. and there's no doubt in my mind that matt and melanie are going to keep it that way. they're very much in tune to what's best for veronica. and they do not want to alienate her from where she came from and her birth family. >> do they believe this is finally over? are they concerned that her biological father may continue to fight to get her back or the cherokee nation? >> it's our understanding that this is closed now. having the u.s. supreme court rule in our favor was a huge win. and now having the state of oklahoma and the state of south carolina both recognizing the
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adoption, she is now matt and melanie are now her parents across the world. there's no -- there's no question anymore from a legality standpoint who her parents are. and we're just very excited that she's home. and our hearts go out to the brown family. no one ever wanted this situation to escalate to the point that it did. and no one knows better than how they feel than matt and melanie. >> jessica, thank you so much for taking the time to talk. appreciate it. >> well, thank you very much. >> it's finally over for them. up next the family of marlon bro marlon brown, tonight there are questions about the medical examiner. we'll explore that ahead. but they were some pretty good moves. and the best move of all? having the right partner at my side. it's so much better that way. [ male announcer ] have the right partner at your side.
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in our crime and punishment report tonight with, the death of marlon brown a florida man who wound up underneath a police car really an accident? the medical examiner said his death was accidental, there was no evidence brown was struck by the police vehicle. brown's family however disagrees calling the incident an execution saying the proof is on the videotape. we're going to show it to you tonight. a warning it is hard to watch. if you need to do so do so now. it shows the police car's dashcam showing brown running through a lot with trees and shrubs where he slips and falls
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and the police car comes to a stop on top of them. the brown family's lawyer called the medical examiner's report inaccurate. he's caller for an independent review. tonight there are questions about the medical examiner himself. >> on the run from police in deland, florida. marlon brown never expected this was how his life would end. in an instant, he's gone. brown disappears underneath the officer's patrol car. the officer had been chasing him for a seat belt violation. brown's family calls it an execution. saying officer james harris never slowed down or swerved to avoid hitting brown. but that's not what the medical examiner for volusia county found. in this autopsy report, dr. shipping bao called brown's death in may an accident. and most controversily that the car did not, repeat did not hit brown. because there were no pelvic or skull fractures.
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instead, the medical examiner found brown died from mechanical asphyxia. the weight of the car cut off his oxygen. the report was reviewed and signed by the chief medical examiner. willy gary is dr. bao's lawyer. >> you're confident in his skills? >> absolutely. think his record speaks for himself he's more than qualified. >> that maybe true with more than 3,000 autopsies under his belt. but remember, dr. bao also performed the autopsy entree von martin after the teenager was shot by george zimmerman. >> call your next witness, please. >> we call dr. bao. >> on the stand in july, bao had attorneys on both sides shaking their heads. first he didn't remember details about his own autopsy. >> all i know was in the morning i did autopsy. i do not have any memory of the day of autopsy. all i have is the notes i have.
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>> let me be sure i understand. >> without notes i cannot tell you any fact. >> you have no memory of any of the events surrounding the autopsy itself? >> yes. i try very hard. >> then dr. bao tersely refused to let the defense attorney see his notes. >> may i see them? >> i rather you do not see my notes. nobody saw that before. >> dr. bao, if you're going to be reading from your notes, both attorneys are entitled to see what you're reading from. >> and finally, bao suddenly offered a brand-new conclusion about how long trayvon martin survived. >> i believe trayvon martin was alive for one to ten minutes after he was shot. >> are you saying that his brain is still technically alive in other words? >> yes. >> that's what you mean by alive in terms of con choiscious. he's still alive. he can still feel pain, in other
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words >> yes. >> that was roundly mocked and things fell apart for dr. bao after that. in august volusia county sent dr. bao a letter notifying him he would be terminated. he was given 30 days to find another job. when he didn't retire he was fired losing his job. county officials wouldn't say why he was fired. his lawyer said it was because the county needed a fall guy to help subdue the anger after george zimmerman was acquitted of murder. and they're currently planning to suit county. but this marlon brown case is only bringing more controversy to bao's tenure. >> the video speaks the truth. and the truth is you can see marlon being run over by the car. it's not about what i say. it's not about what i believe. it's about the video, the objective evidence an what you can see for yourself. >> randi kaye, cnn, stewart, florida. >> let's dig deeper now with dr. bill manning, chief of pathology
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at memorial county of new jersey. the results of mr. brown's autopsy, you agree with them, yes? >> yes. mr. brown was run over by the vehicle and his body was twisted forward and his head was driven into his chest, something called positional asphyxia. he couldn't breathe and unfortunately suffocated. if there had been a way to jack that car up or lift the car up he might have been saved. it was a very tragic accident. >> but there's no evidence he was actually struck by the vehicle? in the video it looks like he slips and falls, but it looks like his head is up until right when the vehicle goes over him. so there's no evidence he was actually struck? >> through medical examiner in this case, what they mean by struck is that there's no fractures or his legs, his long bones, no fracture of the pelvis, not even a fracture of the skull, even though it appears that as he rolled under the vehicle he may have been hit
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by the car. but there's no fractures there. so this was not as violent a collision as may be portrayed in this video. and as i say, he ended up in a position where he suffocated. >> so how long would that suffocation take? >> it would take one to two minutes before he would become unconscious, and then four to five to six minutes before his heart would go into ventricular fibrillation, arrythmia and death. like i say, sometimes in other accidents like that they can lift up the vehicle and save the person. here they just didn't get the vehicle lifted up off him soon enough. >> so was the car actually i mean on top of him? could he have slid out if he was conscious? >> yes. -- no. because the vehicle was pressed on top of his body. so he had no room to crawl out from the vehicle itself. the injuries, the injury patterns, show that the vehicle was actually pressed on top of his body. this type of accident happens when people are working under
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their car and the jack slips and the car comes down and presses your chest. you can't breathe. and so you die of this positional asphyxia. this is the same type of death here. >> clearly the family disagrees with what you believe, disagrees with what dr. bao found. how easy would it be to get a second opinion, to get either another autopsy done or a review of the autopsy that was done? >> oh, absolutely. and in fact, this case was presented to the grand jury. and under florida statutes, vehicular homicide you either have to be speeding and police are allowed to speed, you have to be under the influence. the police were not under the influence of alcohol or drugs. and finally if they were racing each other. they're not drag racing or anything like that. so i think the statute is very specific here. but certainly another pathologist can come in and review this case and offer a second opinion. absolutely. >> all right, dr. bill manning, appreciate your perspective. thank you very much. up next gruesome new details about a kidnapping and double
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some of the other stories we're following. isha is back. >> reporter: the mother of kidnapping victim hannah anderson was beaten to death according to the san diego's medical examiner. an autopsy report shows that christina anderson was hit in the head at least a dozen times and her throat slashed. plus her ankles were bound with plastic zip ties. her 8-year-old son ethan's body was burned beyond recognition. officials believe james dimaggio killed her and set them on fire. chicago police have arrested four men in connection with last thursday's shooting that wounded 13 people including a 3-year-old boy. the suspects face attempted murder charges. disneyland and disney world will stop letting disabled people go to the front of the lines for instant access to rides. this comes after wealthy
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visitors were hiring disabled people to skip lines. disabled visitors will now have a time ticket to access based on the wait time for everyone. and anderson, lower fat fries known as satisfries have been debuted by burger king. they have 20% less fat and calories than the current bk fries. >> i'm an mcdonald's fry guy. i got to say. >> you didn't go for the burger king put your fries in your burger like they started doing recently? >> i'm not a burger king guy. i'm an mcdonald's guy. >> do you put your fries in your burger? >> no. i enjoy my fries separately just as i enjoy my big macseparately. >> in britain that call that a fry buddy.
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