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would spend most of the movie with my hands over my eyes. >> and sandra is right, once you see something that doesn't ring true, now you're like i don't buy the rest of it. i will be in a seat to see this one. >> i think i will, too. >> thank you for watching today. >> state of the union with candy crowley starts right now. have a great day. closing down the government and rolling out obama care. today, debate, division, and deadlines. >> the house republicans are so concerned with appeasing the tea party that they threatened a government shutdown. >>s it the right thick to do to fund the government, avoid a shutdown but not to fund obama care. >> this is it. time has come. >> a spending bill moves from the house to the senate, to the house and back to the senate. legislative ping-pong likely to end in a government shutdown. has anyone got a plan d? we'll ask congresswoman kathy mcmorris rogers, chair of the republican conference.
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then -- >> what does this open enrollment mean? >> ready, set, go. obama care online. signup starts tuesday. a conversation with two doctors who know a thing or two about politics. senator john verasso and howard dean. and -- >> just now i spoke on the phone with the president of iran. >> it's been more than 30 years between calls. our power house political panel weighs in on whether a short chat between the u.s. and iran can lead to a new dynamic in the middle east. this is "state of the union." unless a deal is reached by tomorrow night, the government will shut down. early this morning the house passed legislation that would delay obama care for a year and repeal the medical device tax. they will reject the bill and to undercore the resistance, the white house issued a veto threat. dana bash is with us now.
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dana? where does this leave us? >> it leaves us at absolute genuine stalemate. there are no negotiations, no bipartisan discussions going on of any kind or even plan to try to get them back from the brink. now senate democrats are so determined to make their point that they believe house republicans are playing games. the senate majority leader isn't even bringing the senate back into session today. the senate isn't coming in until tomorrow afternoon which is hours before the government is set to run out of money. so this is a race against the clock and the senate, it's their turn to act. they're not even here. when it comes to tactics, house republicans chose the whole idea of repealing a medical device tax. they voted in double digits earlier this year to repeal that very tax. many democrats say that they're simply going to hold firm because they feel this is an important point to make. they're not going to vote on anything that has strings attached to a spending bill. so the obvious question now is where does this end? and house republicans tell me they're simply not going to
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cave. they say that they are possibly even going to send back to the senate something that has another string attached or another change related to obama care. even though they privately reject the idea of a government shutdown, when i say they, i mean house republicans, publicly they reject, i should say, privately they say they really do believe that it is entirely possible the government the shut down. you know, when you go back to the beginning of this, much of it is because republican leaders understand they have a caucus and they're fighting. one republican i talked to said that basically they believe at the end of the day "republicans have to touch the stove enough in this process to finally realize that they're going to get burned." >> dana bash, thanks so much. >> joining me now is congressman kathy mcmorris-rogers, she is a member of speaker boehner's leadership team. where does this end?
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>> well, it ends with us coming to the table and negotiating. but no one, republicans do not want to shut down the government. and we have taken action early. we took action last week passing the legislation in the house, to keep the government open. and, yes, protect americans from this unworkable, unaffordable law. we are pushing the senate to have the debate. listen to the american people. even now they refuse to have. we were there almost until midnight last night working on the bill, passing the bill. got even some democrat support in the house and yet the senate won't even come back today. they're the ones playing games. they need to act. they're the ones that are truly threatening a government shutdown by not being here and acting. >> so we're in this phase where they're going to say you all are responsible for shutting down the government. you're going to say, wait a second, no, the democrats are. it's in their house. my guess is that senator reid will send you back yet another clean, as they call it, cr, a spending bill that has nothing attached to it.
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maybe up against that deadline. can you see speaker boehner putting a "clean spending bill" on the house floor before midnight as monday turns into tuesday? >> we're waiting for the senate to act. we are pushing the senate to take -- to listen to the american people. listen to the stories across this country from the implementation of obama care. we need them to have this debate. this is important. i hear the stories and the stories that i hear are repeated by other members in our conference. and we have a duty. we have a responsibility to the people we represent. i was home earlier this week and it's the mom in lincoln county has a son with type one diabetes, yes, she still has an insurance card but no hospital, no doctor in that county will accept it. or i have a medical device company who is saying because of the new fees, the new taxes, new regulations they're not going to be investing in the cutting edge
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or the single mom at the employee owned grocery store who is facing reduced hours and higher premiums. people are panicked. and we have a responsibility to the people that we represent. >> and republicans have made that point time and time again. i want to point out to you a survey that cnbc did, the third quarter survey. the question was, this is regardless of whether you like obama care or don't, the first question is do you favor or oppose defunding the health care law? 38% favored defunding. 44% opposed it. they then asked those who opposed obama care whether they would like to see the government shut down in order to defund it, 59% of americans said, no. those who oppose the bill say, no, don't shut down the government to do it. so there will be stories. the white house says there are going to be stories of things that are not working. we'll fix them. the question is, is this the
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appropriate way to do it? is the house -- is the leadership in the house led by speaker boehner prepared to allow -- regardless of whose fault it is, are you prepared to allow the government to begin to shut down over the two items that you have, delay obama care for a year and end to the medical device tax? are you prepared to do that? >> we want to see -- we're pushing the senate to have this debate. >> senator reid said i'm not doing this. the president said i'm going to veto it. >> they need to listen to the american people. and you cited these polls. the polls are overwhelming that people all across this country want to see this law delayed. they recognize it's not ready for prime time. the wheels are falling off. even the administration, this week was issuing the delay of this small business enrollment online. they delayed the ploir mandaemp mandate. now we need them to take action to delay this bill for a year. >> they're not going to.
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i mean do you -- i mean in reality, the democratic leader of the democratic-controlled senate says we're not doing this. the president said i will never sign anything that has to do with delaying this. >> then they need to start by having this debate in the senate. people are panicked in this country over higher premiums, lack of access. this law is having a negative effect. >> so is the answer question, this is so important that you would see regardless of who gets the blame that you can see the government shutting down over this battle over obama care? >> it is really up to the senate. the senate needs to act and they need to act quickly. they should be in today. this is unacceptable that harry reid, senator reid said oh, we're not even going to come back today, october 1st is right around the corner. why isn't the senate here? >> thank you for joining us. it's going to be an interesting 24 hours. appreciate it. >> at the crux of this congressional battle is the fate
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of president obama's health care law. it's a crucial week, tuesday the health insurance exchanges open for enrollment. cnn's senior white house correspondent brianna cool ke-- brianna keilar joins us from the white house. what is the biggest concern. >> the biggest concern is people being aware of this program, obama care. we talk about it. it may be hard to imagine. a lot of folks just don't know about it. a recent poll shows two-thirds of those who were surveyed really lack even basic understanding about obama care. we found anecdotal evidence of that going out and talking to people and doing stories just to see what they know and they don't know. a lot of people don't know a whole lot. it's why president obama has really taken it upon himself to be the main messenger on that, holding a couple of high profile events this past week, one with former president bill clinton, another big campaign style event in maryland. reminding people to go to health
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care.g care.gov, that is the tag line he is using. there are a number of other concerns as well. not just the general public awareness but really targeting the young healthy people, many of whom are uninsured at this point, a lot of them take the risk of being uninsured and not paying for insurance because they don't really get sick and they sort of make that gamble. but they are required under the law to sign up for health insurance and it's essential to keeping costs down because they really are healthy. and so it doesn't cost a lot for their health care. we've seen some of these in the online enrollment website for small businesses. we're expecting that to be online coming tuesday. that's been pushed back a week. and, of course, the white house is concerned that there will be bad press around some of the glitches, candy. >> brianna keilar at the white house, busy week for you as well. thank you. >> joining me now vermont
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governor and doctor howard dean and john verasso of wyoming. let me start with the question i asked brianna about the white house. you both have been in practice. what are your long term concerns if any about the implementation? >> it's not going to be affordable. there will be sticker shock, number one. number two, it will be harder for people to get what they wanted which is the care they need from a doctor they want at lower cost. the president made a couple of promises. one with the exchanges. he said it would be cheaper than a cell phone bill. and i don't expect a lot of people to be able to find something less than $71 a month on the exchanges. people are going to be paying more. and he said you can keep the doctor. if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. we're seeing across the country exchanges that trying to get the price down have had to exclude many doctors. >> governor dean, it really does seem to me, depending on which state you're in, this is very hard to keep track of.
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in some states some people are saying oh, mine will be much lower. and other states it appears to be much higher. long term -- >> the vast majority of states the premiums are significantly lower including mine. i mean really lower, 40% in some cases. i would disagree with senator doctor veasso on that. i think there will be some glitches. as you know, i wasn't a big supporter of this bill. now i'm really looking forward to it. it's going to change things in the private sector. these people are going to go on the exchanges and they're going to get private insurance. that's what this does. i don't buy this doctors aren't going to accept this. doctors always have trouble accepting, some doctors don't accept medicare. had is going to work. it's a sensible solution. there are going to be glitches. governors who refuse to become part of the -- their own estate exchange are now in a big
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33-state federal exchange. and that's what they have to do right and we'll have to see how it works. i'm very optimistic. i think it's good. i think this debate that we're having which is outrageous is going to look really stupid. >> i think the exchanges are being held together with duct tape and chicken wire. we see some states, even governors home state of vermont had problems. they're not going to be able to accept payments online. oregon is backing down. other states and the district of columbia said hey we're not ready. patients are going to have a hard time finding a doctor to take care of them under these exchanges. and in new hampshire, where howard was on monday giving a speech, we know there is an
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uproar. they're excluding 10 of the 28 stat hospitals in that state. pediatricians won't be able to take care of kids they've been taking care of. >> that does needs to be fixes. that's not the fault of obama care. i don't think the sky is falling. we've been through much more. this is what they said about medicare. they said this about medicare. the sky was going to fall. nothing was going to happen. it was going to be awful. >> we are seeing what they call with doctors or the saying -- >> that was long before this started. >> exactly. will we see more. doctors are saying forget insurance. if you can come and pay me, write necessity a check -- >> the reason you're not going to see that is there is not much of a market for it. there are a couple of those in vermont and more in new york and l.a. look, this is what's going to happen. people will have a different system. the glitch in vermont and d.c. is minimal. it doesn't matter if you can pay
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for it now or october 1st. i look at this stuff inside out. i look at it from a point of view that didn't like what i saw in the beginning. i wanted medicare, public option so we could sign up for something we knew what it was an understood it easily. but we are where we are. this is a very positive thing for the public. i think you saw the desperation in kathy morris' voice is the fact this they realize once this goes into effect people are going to like it. and the right-wing, very conservative let's not spend another dime people are going to be stuck supporting another entitle entitlement. >> it's unpopular. it is unaffordable. it is hurting jobs. it's hurting the economy. and now what i'm hearing and i was at a health fair in wyoming yesterday, it is unfair. someone said to me why is it that the president is going to give my boss a one-year delay? the bosses are getting a delay and the workers are not. we need a delay in the individual mandate. >> hold that thought. we'll come back with the two of you.
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it takes them out of the emergency room. it takes them out of getting really sick before they have to go get care. i think it help. the people who are going to benefit this demographically, the people most opposed, older 55-year-old people that have been laid off and can't get hired because nobody will take their risk. that's a problem. so those people are going to benefit disproportionately. this is an unintended consequence of the law is small businesses. because small businesses are going to dump their employees into the exchange. i think that is significant. john mccain proposed it in his 2008 campaign to separate employment from health insurance. that is something the con sirvetives wasirv -- conservatives want to do for a long time. >> howard said small businesses are going to dump the employees who are currently paying for their health insurance. dump them on to the exchange. dump them on to taxpayer subsidies. now think about that. the president said if you like
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what you have, you can keep it. there are people all around the country who like the insurance that they have and can't keep it because as howard said, they're going to get dumped into the exchanges. and the people that are going to pay the most are going to be most abused by this are the young people, those would are going to be forced to pay more than they would based on their own risk to subsidize others. >> i think that is a mistake. we disagree on this. i support community raiding. we have a better insurance market than some states. so, you know, i know a lot about this. we did it. a lot of obama care we did in 1992. and it's worked really well. every child in my state is covered under the age of 18. we have kmubt rating. you can't charge 55-year-old more than 5% what you charge 5-year-o 25-year-olds much that's what's coming out in obama care. >> and community ratings mean can you give no incentives to people who go to the gym, who watch what they eat, who take care of themselves, who do
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wellness programs. no benefit of that at all. >> they will cover -- >> that's not really true. >> insurance companies will be required to have healthy care benefits. >> yes. >> can i -- go ahead, make your point. >> this is my life, right? so the large companies and high end small businesses are not going to dump their people into the exchange. low end businesses who struggle to pay for health insurance are going to want to do that. so what you're going to see is a leveling of the playing field in small business kplunt between those who can afford it and can't. but those with highly paid and small businesses or large businesses, fortune 500 are not going to do this because they view health care benefits as an attraction to attract the employees. so i think the system is in the private sector. the benefit of that is that you're going to see the flexibility and the ingenuity of the private sector sculpt this thing. >> final question and our last minute or so. are we headed to -- as some
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democrats hope -- a single payer system and by that i mean government funded health care insurance? >> that's what harry reid said in a discussion in nevada on a television interview. he said there's going -- the obama health care law is going to fail and we go to a single payer system which is like the system in britain or canada where the care is free but the waits are very long. i've operated on people from canada who have come down because they couldn't wait. they couldn't afford to wait for their free operation. and death rates from cancer are much higher in england and the united states because the care is delayed. >> 50 million people in this country are already on a single payer. it is called medicare. that's how the canadian system works. basically the same way our medicare does. 50 million americans already are in a single payer. >> it is a difference. it works in america for people over 65. there is no reason it can't work for more people. >> in canada they say we're
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joining me today aren't table, john podesta, former chief of staff to president clinton and chair for american progress. archer davis, former democratic congressman from alabama. he switched to the republican party over policy differences on entitlements in health care. ruth marcus is a columnist for "the washington post" and ben ferguson is a cnn commentator and syndicated radio host. thank you all so much for joining me. let's start with the poll numbers and whether or not they affect the president's hand as
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we watch both this budget fight and the possible government shutdown and the debt ceiling fight. go ahead. >> we're all too polite. i would say i actually really wonder whether they do. because he doesn't have to worry about running for re-election. who is it? who is going in the republican party who is going to feel compelled to support him or less compelled to oppose him because his poll numbers are low? we're so divided and so factu factualiz factualized. look, you want to have stronger poll numbers but his party is essentially with him on keeping obama care, keeping the government running, avoiding the dead ceiling. and the other part is in a different position. >> see, i think obama just doesn't care. it's pretty obvious. he's playing golf yesterday as a sign i think really i'm not going to negotiate with you. i'll negotiate with tehran. i'll negotiate with assad and chemical weapons and terrorists but i will not negotiate with
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republicans. and i think that message is probably going to hurt those running for re-election that are democrats. how can you say that you're willing to wosh work with those people but you refuse to acknowledge the existence of the house of representatives which, by the way, you're not in the majority there. you're in the minority. and that's a problem. >> look, he's come into this fight with a gop wanting to avoid a crisis. i think that's the story that people are hearing around america. and they had an opportunity after the senate sent continuing resolution back to have a clean continuing resolution, to keep the government functioning. they chose again i think for the 43rd time to vote to defund or to push off obama care. and i think that the public gets that it's the republicans that are forcing this crisis. >> candy, two quick points. there is no question that obama has incredibly weak hand. if you would have said six months ago his approval rating would be in the low 40s, no one
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would have bought that. but as a republican, i do worry about the way this debate is playing out. i think republicans win the substance on obama care and have been winning the substance for three years. i'm not convinced republicans who had an argument over the mechanics. i'm not convinced republicans win an argument over brinksmanship. i would rather see republicans right now making a case about how we as a party can do this better than the democrats. i think not making that case but arguing that, frankly, let's just leave health care alone and not do anything about health care. i want to do it better. >> republicans made that case and they took back the house by making the case that obama care was not a good thing. the american people believe that obama care is not a good thing. doctors are not out there championing this. even members of congress are saying i don't know if i want to be a part of this. and so they did make the case. the problem is the president's not willing to negotiate. and unfortunately, when you live in a country for him right now
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where your job is to negotiate with congress and saying i refuse to negotiate, i think the american people will say that's not real leadership. >> republicans made had a case. but republicans made that case in 2012 and guess who got re-elected president? and the poll numbers that i think may be representative but -- let me finish. the poll numbers have -- no, that wasn't before people read the bill. the poll numbers that may be relevant is however obama care polls, people do not want to see a shutdown over defunding or delaying as you say obama care. and that's where i think you're totally right. the republican party is in a pickle. >> this is the challenge right now for republicans. we win an argument over whether or not these exchanges are complicated. we win over whether mandates are a good thing. we win an argument over the unpredictability of the premiums going up. we win all of that. we do not win an argument over brinksmanship and we haven't won one as a party in the last 15 or
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16 years. i want to see republicans come to the table and say we can fix this and we can run it more efficiently and we can run it better. republican leadership did not want this brinksmanship to take place. ted cruz is now running the house of representatives. and i think that they're going to pay a price for this. >> it's very clear that they're forcing the government into a shutdown. >> i'm going to pick up on this point, john, when we come back. we'll be talking about republican infighting over defunding obama care. it's taken a nasty turn. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ trains! they haul everything, safely and on time. ♪ tracks! they connect the factories built along the lines. and that means jobs, lots of people, making lots and lots of things. let's get your business rolling now, everybody sing. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ helping this big country move ahead as one ♪ ♪ norfolk southern how's that function? ♪
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we posed the following question, cruz for house speaker? a reference to the efforts of senator ted cruz to convince like minded house members to stand firm against obama care. an effort not universally appreciated. >> he's a false leader. he led people down a false path here. he's been putting pressure on conservative republicans. >> ted cruz and the republican blowup with our panel next. hi, i'm tom steyer. we've been visiting places that tell the keystone xl pipeline story, why it matters whether it's built. like port arthur, where the oil would be shipped to countries like china. mayflower -- where a burst pipeline coated the streets in oil. out west, where clean energy is america's growth industry. and today...new york -- where less than a year ago, the atlantic rose 13 feet high, pushing the sea into the city behind me
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is there anyone here with something serious to say about the new health care system? >> i'm senator ted cruz. and i do not like you in a box. i do not like you with a fox. >> oh, no more dr. suess. >> i speak for the trees! because the trees do not speak. but if they could speak, they would say shut down the federal government! the only thing i'm hearing right now is socialism! >> the latest from "saturday night live" opening its season. we're back with our panel. the roll of ted cruz has set up some real now open party feuding, certainly with senate
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members. and also with some members of the house. where does this end? >> this is really incredible. if you go back to '95 and '96 and last government shutdown which knocked half a point off the gdp in the united states, at least gingrich was in charge of his caucus. now, you know, it appears that heritage action and ted cruz and the coke brothers are running the republican house caucus. and it is amazing the weakness, i think, that the leadership has shown in not staring these guys down. >> it's amazing how terrified you are of a guy who ran for the senate who did what he actually said he was going to do. ted cruz did not come to washington, d.c. to make friends with john mccain and lindsey graham or john boehner. he went there with the people and said this is how i'm going to get elected. let me get this in real quick. this is important. john mccain and ted cruz are two
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totally different people. and john mccain says i don't like you because you're getting too much press. i don't like you because you're being too effective. that's what it boils down to. >> personalities come and go. what's missing in the republican party right now is someone who's a credible national figure who is not just a columnist or a pundit like some of us, who can actually step forward and provide a different vision of conservati conservatism. there is room for conservatism that says, yeah, we don't want to fix health care in this big bloated bureaucratic way the way the democrats want to do itment but we want to deal with dealing with the uninsured. we can deal with the problem of businesses and cost containment. we could it in a more constructive way. an on issue after issue on food stamps, there is a vision the republican party that says we're not going to throw the program out and gut it. but we can reform it and make it better. that reform vision is missing on the national stage and that
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ought to be the counter of cruz. yes, if it's obama against cruz, of course it's easy for republicans to -- >> i think on the national stage for republicans, i'm not afraid of ted cruz. i don't find ted cruz scary. what i find scary is the no egs that he is in charge of the house of representatives. of course, if he became speaker -- but wait. of course if he became speaker, he might find that it's not a very pleasant job. but what is scary isn't the presence of cruz. what is scary is the absence of boehner. the absence of strong republican leadership who can call the bluff of this fairly small faction of house republicans and say yes -- >> they voted unanimously. >> yes. >> let me interrupt you. i have to take advantage of john's relationship with the clintons. bill clinton, former president, was on abc this morning talking about learning the lessons of the last election and of course the will hillary clinton run and lessons to be learned. and then he said the next one
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will be better. it will be different. whether she's in it or not, they're all different. the main thing you can't do and you must learn the lessons of your mistakes and failures without becoming a general who fights the last war. is he the only one that is not convinced she's running? he pretty much declared for her. >> well, i saw her this week. i think she's going to put off a decision about whether to run. i hope she does. sounds like the president hopes she does as well. i think she'll be a formidable candidate. the other thing the president said which i think is very much front and center right now is you have to have a vision for the country. i think she'll provide that if she does run. but what we're lacking right now as our tour said, a vision about where we want to take the country. mitt romney came out against what's happening in washington right now. >> i'm going to hang on.
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>> resolving this issue could serve as a major step forward in a new relationship between the united states and the islamic republic of iran. one based on mutual interests and mutual respect. it would also help facilitate a better relationship between iran and the international community and others in the region. >> that's president obama on friday after his phone call with the new iranian president hasan rouhani. we are back. so we have a meeting tomorrow between the president and the prime minister of israel. i want to start with you because you met with president rouhani
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in a small group last week. give us your sense of this guy. there's two opinions. he's new and moderate. this might be a breakthrough and don't trust this guy. >> he ran and he won in the first round with the pledge to fix the economy in order to do that he's got to get rid of the sanctions. i think he came with seriousness. this will be a tough negotiation. i think they're going to demand that the world recognize their right to enrich. i think they're going to -- the world is going to demand that they roll back their nuclear programs. it will be very tough. the one good sign is the supreme leader has agreed to let the foreign minister take the lead in these negotiations. he met with secretary kerry at the u.n. this week. he's a pragmatist. this is going to be tough to close the gap between the two sides. >> one quick point. this is the price of obama's mishandling of syria. the iranian government could
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credibly conclude that barack obama could not marshal congress in use of force resolution against iran unless iran did something openly provocative. post-syria dynamics have been greatly complicated. >> we're now on the brink of rolling back one of the largest chemical weapons programs in the world. >> possibly. >> do iranians look at assad and say he was better off with chemical weapons or better off without chemical weapons? i think they look at his chemical weapons and they say, geez, we're going to keep developing our nuclear weapons because chemical weapons in a sense are what keeping assad in power. i think that there is -- >> iran has a bad history with chemical weapons. >> what i'm saying is they look at their nuclear program and say we need to keep pushing this. it's all about the economy, stupid, in iran and here. nonetheless, the sanctions -- the question is whether sanctions are hitting hard
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enough to make it worthwhile for them to give up the nuclear program. it's not clear that's happened yet. >> you're not dealing with sane people. that's one of the issues here. you look at iran and you look at this new leader and it's like reagan when he talked to gorbachev. i think iran knows if they can keep barack obama talking and they can keep others in our government talking, that gives them more time to get nuclear weapons. once you get them, you don't have to talk to anybody ever again in theory. that's their overall goal. the other issue is barack obama after syria, the world does not fear him under the leadership of what he's going to do. he said here's my red line. it didn't happen. then we go and we punt to russia. the biggest ally for syria makes us look weak. >> it's really a bad move to actually destroy the chemical weapons in syria. >> can i ask you all -- >> it's not a great move to
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erode the credibility of the united states. that's my concern here. >> how we got there and process of not assembling a congressional resolution and obama's inability to sell it. 15 votes in the house for forced resolution. >> in the last minute and a half we've got, i want you to figure israel into this mix. it's always said before they acquire nuclear weapons we'll destroy them. they want the u.s. as a partner it not in the lead. what does a blossoming maybe relationship with iran due to israeli/u.s. relationship and how israel views iran? >> i don't know that this is a blossoming relationship. there is talk and there's diplomacy and that's a good thing. i think that israelis are skeptical. they'll watch it closely. the united states is skeptical as to whether they can get to the end game. ultimately they must stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon. >> israel is more cynical about
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whether the iranians are serious here and way more skeptical about whether president obama can be trusted to watch out for their security so i think unfolding in syria makes israel more willing if necessary for its own survival to act on its own. >> it will act in its own interest and will not follow the lead of the united states on this question. >> israel will not wait on obama. they'll have to do what they need to protect themselves. >> thank you all so much for coming. appreciate it. thank you all for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. head to cnn.com/sotu for our getting to know interview with congresswoman rogers and what she'll get for christmas this year. if you missed any part of today's show, search state of the union

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