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i still believe washington is a deadline-driven town. cooler heads eventually will prevail. key word, eventually. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." "newsroom" continues right now with brooke baldwin. hey, wolf. thank you so much. great to be with you on this monday. i'm brooke baldwin. only congress could make a crisis look cliche. you know this, i know this. we have been here before. congress is dysfunctional, hopes are low and pressure is high. lawmakers are cramming on something that could have been done months and months ago. here we are, the final hours before this ominous deadline wolf was talking about here. look at the clock with me. in ten hours, less than ten now, if there is no agreement, the government will shut down for the first time in 17 years. so here's what's happening right now. the u.s. senate, they're
convening. they are now on the receiving end of this house bill, this latest version. this version from the house that keeps government money flowing, but would delay obama care for a year and would repeal a tax on medical devices. so, the senate at this hour is just beginning to talk about this bill. they will be voting on this bill, but likely tabling a lot of those amendments. republican house members, they took notice this morning. >> the house has done its work. we passed a bill on saturday night. sent it to the united states senate, that would delay obama care for one year and eliminate permanently the medical device tax costs us tens of thousands of jobs shipped overseas. senate decided not to work yesterday. well, my goodness. if there's such an emergency, where are they? >> while we were here until nearly 1:00 a.m. monday morning, the senate was gone. the president, according to the
"new york times," played golfover the weekend. i guess the senate and the president have other priorities. but their inaction of talking to us will cause a shutdown. where, oh, where, has the senate gone. where, oh, where can they be? with time so short and issues so long, where, oh, where, has the senate gone? >> if a shutdown happens, the political parties, of course, will be doing this to each other, pointing the finger, but who do the american people blame? i want to show you a new cnn/orc poll, check it out for yourself, that says both sides of the aisle will take a hit, with people thinking a majority of republicans and democrats are acting like spoiled children, and investors, i am sure, also thinking of some not so nice names for congress, markets are falling amid the uncertainty. i want to go straight to the action, straight to capitol hill to our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. we are, dana, you tell me, minutes from a possible vote in the senate? i imagine they will be voting
down, i guess, the house version with warp speed. >> that's what we're told is going to happen from aides to senate majority leader harry reid. they are now in. they're doing their ceremonial business and then they're going to get down to the business of the day, which is to table or to just simply reject in layman's terms, the bid that the house sent over late saturday night, really early sunday morning. to pass a spending bill, keeping the government running, but it includes non-starters as far as senate democrats who run this body, are concerned. that, of course, as you said, is delaying obama care for a year and repealing a medical device tax. probably -- oh, they're already voting. they're already voting. i saw out of my peripheral vision that they are voting. we are definitely seeing this in warp speed. >> on the warp speed note, i want you to tell me as we watch this here, tell me about your conversation. i was watching cnn earlier,
talking to charlie dent, republican, pennsylvania, who from what i saw from the conversation, he is saying, listen, enough is enough. let's just vote on this, clean, continuing resolution. this version that does not include, you know, bits about obama care, married as part of it, and carry on and fight that fight down the road. is that correct? >> that is correct, and he is actually as we speak entering a house republican meeting, which is starting right now, to talk about their next move. he's going to stand up and say enough already. here's the reason why he told me. take a listen. >> i voted to repeal, delay, defund obama care. i have all sorts of problems with the health care law. i also realize it's not going to change between now and the end of the day today, so it's imperative for us right now to get on the the business of governing. i would say there are 180 members, 190 members of the house of congress who have a serious feeling of governance, so we're going to have to get on
with the business, pass a bipartisan bill, and keep the government running. >> here's the but, and a but that could change, but from what i'm hearing, i don't think it will. that doesn't look like it's going to happen in the short term, meaning in the next few hours. i'm told what the speaker and fellow republican leaders are going to tell their colleagues as we speak in the meeting that's beginning is they're going to try one more time to pass a bill funding the government with yet another attempt to chip away at obama care. and in this case, my understanding is the leading option is to delay the individual mandate for a year. that would likely have the votes to pass the house. go back to the senate. they'll probably do what they're doing right now on the senate floor, reject it. then the come backs back again, whether or not republicans are willing to pass a bill funding the government with no strings attached. you heard charlie dent making the point, again, he is a republican. that there is bipartisan support to do that. there is bipartisan support to do that. democrats are meeting soon as
well. my guess is that they will say, please put this on the floor. a clean bill. we will vote for it and it will be over. the problem is that same problem that we have seen over the past week and frankly months and years since john boehner has been in the speakership. that is to do that would mean that he would have to face, and his rank and file would have to face, the wrath of conservatives who are extremely powerful and very conservative districts, saying you gave up too fast. even though the sand is almost at the end of that hourglass. >> so the sand ultimately ends, this is happening 12:00 midnight tonight, so we can watch the volleying back and forth, but that is the hard and fast deadline. we're going to come back to you and keep the live pictures up as the u.s. senate is voting on this government funding bill. stay with me here. again, if there is no agreement when 12:01 a.m. eastern time strikes, social security checks, the mail, national security, that will keep going. but your national parks,
museums, yosemite, the smithsonian, they will close. also, visas, passports, gun permits, that will all be on hold. small business loans, delayed. and even more crucial, 783,000 federal workers face furloughs. and active duty military will not get their next paycheck on time, getting ious instead. there is no question here that many family budgets will be in crisis along with the government's if the shutdown in fact happens. and one of the president's cabinet members says he plans to share the pain. >> i will, however, be reducing my salary by whatever amount is greatest for any employee of the justice department, as i have made clear to the people in this department, we are all in this together. whatever pain they suffer i will share with them. >> as for the president, barack obama, he just spoke on the possibility of a shutdown. let me take you straight to the
white house, as we continue to watch the vote on the senate floor. jim acosta, senior correspondent, jim acosta there. what did the president say about this? thus far, he has been crystal clear on no negotiating when it comes to obama care. >> that is right. that has not changed and don't expect it to change. the president was standing his ground with that meeting that happened with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu that wrapped up in the last couple hours saying it's now up to congress, the house of representatives to pass the spending bill to keep the government open. i just want to get you up to speed with what was just said in the briefing room. white house press secretary jay carney holding a briefing and talking about the various provisions p s flying around. you heard dana talk about the repeal of the medical device tax. jay carney called that blatant extortion, indicating, not really hinting, that the white house will not accept any kind of continuing resolution that
includes anything that affects obama care. drawing the line in the sand there. the president said as much when he was meeting with the israeli prime minister earlier this afternoon. here's what he had to say. >> the bottom line is that the senate has passed a bill that keeps the government open, does not have a lot of extraneous issues to it. that allows us then to negotiate a longer-term budget and address a range of other issues. but it insures we're not shutting down the government and not shutting down the economy at a time when a lot of families out there are just getting some traction and digging themselves out of the hole we had as a consequence of the financial crisis. i have said before, congress has two responsibilities. pass a budget, pay the bills. and i am not only open to but eager to have negotiations
around a long-term budget that makes sure that we're invested in middle-class families, helping the economy grow, giving people who are working hard a leg up. and greater security and stability, and deals with some of our long-term challenges in terms of debt and deficits. but the only way to do that is for everybody to sit down in good faith without threatening to harm women and veterans and children with a government shutdown and certainly we can't have any kind of meaningful negotiations under the cloud of potential default, the first in u.s. history. >> so, there you hear the president there, not only talking about the prospect of a government shutdown, but also what's coming up in a couple weeks when the nation hits the debt ceiling, the president also saying he's not going to negotiate when it comes to his
health care law as any kind of leverage for raising the debt ceiling. one other thing we want to point out in just the last few minutes, brooke, and that is during the press briefing before i walked out here to talk to you, jay carney was asked repeatedly about one other proposal floating around on capitol hill. that's for a one-week very short-term continuing resolution. something that would keep the government running for about a week or so, and i asked jay carney about this. another reporter followed up because he didn't answer me the first time. he did not want to go there. he did not want to answer that question as to whether or not the white house would accept a very short-term one-week continuing resolution. now, he said he wasn't going to comment on any of the options on capitol hill, but he also called, you know, repealing the medical device tax a blatant extortion. about the short-term cr, he said, i don't want to comment on the options floating on capitol hill, there are so many of them. it might be a tell, might not be a tell. it could be maybe a glimmer of
hope that this white house might be amenable to that kind of proposal. we'll have to wait and see. >> maybe, mare, maybe, for one week. jim acosta at the white house, jim, thank you. i want to talk about now the potengsm impact of this increasingly likely as we watch the clock and watch the senate voting here, the possibility of this government shutdown. greg mcbride joins me. he's a senior financial analyst. greg, here we go. you know, i guess i want to pull out as we're watching the tick talk and the votes right here, big picture. this shutdown, it looks inevitable. i know you have said if the government does shut down, it should be nothing more than a bump in the road. you say don't panic. why? >> well, you know, a couple things, brooke. first of all, these things, i'm expecting it to be short-lived. it's a clear headwind to the economy. if you're one of the three quarters of a million federal workers that's about to be furlou furloughed, you don't know how long that's going to last, i'm going to guess a lot of these
people were not at the mall going hog wild this weekend, right? there's uncertainty. that uncertainty causes people to pull back. that's where the headwind of the already slow-growing economy comes into play. as long as it's short-term in nature, it doesn't disrupt people's finances too much, doesn't disrupt the economy too much, and the nervousness you're seeing in the financial markets is something that will be quickly forgotten and then on to the next thing, the debt ceiling, which is far more significant. gr that's the but. one thing to have a government finite shutdown, but another one when they need to increase their borrowing limit to pay their bill. if congress can't get their act together on that, that's much more disastrous. tell the american people why. >> it certainly is. what revolves around the fact is government debt is perceived to be risk free because they can always print more money to pay the bills. if you have anything more than what's known as a technical
default. let's say the midnight deadline for the debt ceiling comes and goes and they haven't increased it. until people actually are not getting paid that are supposed to be getting paid, it's just what's known as a technical default. when you get to the point where the government is not paying our creditors, that's when financial markets will absolutely go haywire. that won't be a good picture. worst case scenario, and i don't expect it to play out that way. what you're seeing in this gamesmanship in congress, it's game theory. you don't get your way if you give in ury. you've got to play it out to the end. like we have seen time and time again, i'm sure we'll get to the 11th hour and then they'll figure it out. >> knocking on my glass desk as i talk to you, greg mcbride. you're watching and waiting, the floor of the u.s. senate. we're watching the voting happening. any minute, we'll have an answer whether or not, which is likely, they'll be voting down the government spending bill from
the house which wanted to delay obama care for one year. we're waiting for vote tallies momentarily. >> bills are going to be due. those places like, you can't just tell the electric department, hey, i have an iou. >> if i ran my house the way the government is running the country, i would be bankrupt. >> you made your point. let's get on with the business of running the country, and pass the budget. pass the debt limit. and let us keep improving the economy. don't play games anymore, please. so if this government shutdown isn't real yet, you're about to hear from military families who won't get paid right away. plus, a big moment at the white house, just days after president obama talked to iran's president on the telephone, here he is, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu warning the united states, don't be naive. that's coming up. ♪ how'd you do on your quiz today? 9 out of 10. 9 out of ten? that's great. ♪
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country, i would be bankrupt. >> you made your point. let's get on with the business of running the country and pass the budget, pass the debt limits, and let us keep improving the economy. don't play games anymore, please. >> all, quote, essential people like members of congress, will keep getting paid, but military families, on the other hand, are told they'll get ious, told they will get paid eventually. barbara starr has mor. >> vivian's husband is overseas while she works and looks after two young children. >> we spent a large amount of time for this morning, speaking about what we would do if he didn't get paid and how we would react to that with our own finances. and i know that that's probably a conversation that's been had through e-mail, texting, and facetime, skype, for military families all over the country. >> many live paycheck to paycheck, at ft. campbell,
kentucky, there is growing worry. >> there's going to be bills due, and those places, you can't tell the electric department, hey, i got an iou. >> washington knows troops are unhappy, so the republican-controlled house passed a measure to keep paying the troops in the shutdown. the senate has yet to act. but for america's veterans, the outlook is more dire because of the other crisis, raising the debt ceiling before the government runs out of money. >> if it goes longer than a few weeks, if congress can't get their act together, this could hurt millions of veterans who count on these benefits for part of their care and services. >> more than 3 million veterans receive disability payments. if there's no money, payments could stop. new claims won't be processed, and current payments still might arrive late. >> barbara starr, let me bring you in. we know the defense secretary, chuck hagel, sent an all-staff message to defense personnel. what did he say?
>> military and civilians, secretary hagel, not happy about this at all, of course, because they have already been through the budget furloughs this summer. telling especially the civilian workers that got furloughed that they are all essential to the department, that he values their service, but that they are -- many of them will be furloughed, that the law only will allow them to keep people on duty who are supporting military operations or security and safety of military installations and essential services. so a lot of people are facing the possibility of furloughs if they're civilian workers, and troops on the front line, walking patrols at midnight in afghanistan, may have their pay delayed unless congress acts. brooke? >> barbara starr, thank you. speaking of congress, the senate is acting. is voting right now, stripping those republican amendments that were added in the latest it rashz of this bill that came from the house. now it's here at the senate. they're probably going to vote, stripping that down, tabling the amendments, and just like a
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all right, breaking news. let me take you back to capitol hill. the shutdown, the countdown to the shutdown as we now have a final vote tally. chief congressional correspondent dana bash joining me now with what you called it, we anticipated this. >> that's right, it was a party line vote. 54-46. the senate voted to reject what the house sent them in the middle of the night saturday night, early morning sunday morning, which, of course, was a bill to fund the government but
with a delay of obama care for a year and a repeal of a medical device tax that does help pay for obama care. what does that mean? the ball is back in the house's court. house republicans are meeting, brooke, as we speak to map out their next move. i am told that the plan was for them to try one more time. certainly, lots of conservatives in their caucus want them to keep fighting, despite it being pretty obvious that they're up against all odds, and the leading option for that next fight would be to have a spending bill that delays the individual mandate in obama care for a year. but as you and i talked about earlier in the hour, there are house republicans who were talking only privately about this before but are now coming out publicly as the clock ticks toward midnight saying enough already. let's wave the red flag. we made our point, not once, not twice, it's not going to happen. the math simply is not there, let's move on. i'm told unless something
dramatic happens as we have seen, thing kz change on a dime, the plan is not to do that, to have one more crack at this and so that will -- if they do that, it will put us right up until the deadline of midnight. one other thing i wanted to tell you, you and jim acosta were talking about jay carney being non-committal on the idea of one week. the senate majority leader harry reid told our ted barrett, basically nonstarter. he said no, so he's got a pretty important opinion and he's saying, uh-uh, not going to do that. >>ads you're reporting on the house republican meeting happening right now, we know we should be hearing, according to you and your crew on the hill, we should be hearing from house democrats and senate democrats in the next couple minutes as well. dana bash, we'll be back in touch with you quickly. back to this other story we're watching out of chicago for you, this fast-moving story. dozens of people are hurt today after this commuter train collided with another, and investigators have no idea why. let me go straight to the scene
to ted rowlands who is there for us. ted, one train, full of passengers. the other, this misystery runaw train, is that correct? >> total mystery. it was empty, the other train. this was a four-car train. you can see it behind me here, the one that is scrumpaled up is the empty train. somehow, it got on the tracks this morning, 8:00, during the commute, and rammed into a full train here. sending 33 people to the hospitals. at first, people thought here, the investigators, that it was intentionally done, that somebody had hijacked this train, the four-car train at the yard and sent it down the tracks intentionally. over the past few hours, they have pored over the surveillance video at the yard and on the track, and they say they don't see anybody. they have no idea at this point how this train got loose and careened into a full train. take a listen. >> this is an extremely rare occurrence. i don't know the last time, if
ever, that this has happened on the cta system. this is a system that has a very strong safety track record, and this is an incident that really is an aberration, and it brings with it a lot of questions. >> reporter: here's the bottom line, brooke, no foul play suspected at this point. the ntsb has sent someone out here to join the investigation because even though there's no foul play, there was obviously a major problem here this morning. those 33 injured, luckily, none of them were seriously injured, but it could have gone the other way very easily, and they are scratching their heads at this hour, still, trying to figure out exactly what happened here. >> ted, thank you. ted rowlands for us in chicago. back to washington, senate democr democrats, as we mentioned with dana bash, we're awaiting this news conference. after their vote to send this bill here to fund the government, now we know it's headed back to the house, we'll take you to washington. plus, business has survived other government shutdowns in
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the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ bottom of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. when we talk about a government shutdown, it's easy to get caught up in the politics, the facts, the figures, the numbers. but in reality, we're talking about real people affected by this if this happens. people like betsy burton, co-owner of the king's english book shop in salt lake city. i read about your business. i know you have had it for, you know, three decades. you are frightened that the shutdown might happen because it might cause some serious troubles, right, for your store? tell me why this might be, to use your word, disastrous for you. >> well, because the last quarter of the year, as i think most people know for retail,
especially, is do or die. you know, you sort of maintain all year long and then suddenly in the last quarter, it's really up to a half of your business for the year. and you've gotten in all this inventory to accommodate that, and now you have to pay for it. you have to pay for it, really before the holidays come and the money starts to flow in, so we're very dependent on loans that time of year. and of course, if consumer confidence tanks, that is absolute disaster for us. >> you say it's disastrous. i think a lot of people agree with you. i read this poll out of the pepperdine university this morning where some disagree. they conducted the survey. 48% of business owners support at least, they call it a temporary -- so they see it as possibly finite, hopefully finite temporary government shutdown, compared to 42% who say hurry up, strike a deal. what would you say if you were to talk to members of congress on either side, who are clearly in the thick of this game fight?
>> right, well, i do believe in a sense this is nonpartisan because i think a lot of republicans now are saying it's time enough. let's stop. so this isn't for me a partisan issue. but i want people not just to think about federal agencies shutting down but also to think about their friends and neighbors who own businesses all around this country. on their main streets and in their neighborhoods, who this really will affect in a significant way. when you mentioned that survey, i think if you asked retailers per se, and people dependent, for instance, on government contracts, i think those figures would be very different. >> betsy burton, i know you're watching this closely, as we all are. thank you for joining us. toorment tomorrow, dr. sanjay gupta will be traveling the country to see how obama care, the sign-up process
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want to take you back to washington as we have been reporting, we watched live here the u.s. senate stripped the continuing resolution of its republican amendment, so they tabled the amendments. that now goes back to the house, and here he is, this is harry reid, the senate majority leader, speaking post vote. let's listen. >> there we go again. i got it. i got it. i got it. let a clean cr pass. and we'll do it with bipartisan support, or there's going to be a shutdown of the government, caused by them, the republicans. really, without being too dra t dramatic about this, the feate f the country depends on the house being able to vote, the house, all members of the house of representatives. i hope john boehner makes a good
decision, one that's good for the country. job protection time is over with. it's time to start protecting the american people. >> i want to bring in our chief congressional correspondent who has been in the weeds in all of this. we keep hearing this talk about a clean cr, a clean resolution, but that's what's heading back to the house. you're getting intel because you know there are closed-door meetings happening among republicans. the question is will they be willing to take this cr for a clean up/down vote. >> the answer is no, and we have been reporting since this morning that house republicans were planning on adding a delay to the individual mandate as part of their changes or their determination not to give in and to keep fighting on chipping away at obama care. well, deirdre walsh, our producer, and i, were getting e-mails from inside the room of the house republican meeting going on as we speak. they're doing something
additional. that is to eliminate subsidy said for lawmakers and members of the executive branch for their health care. this is a hefty chunk of change that people in the federal government get to help them pay for their health care, just like people who worked for private companies like we do, big companies. get some subsidy said and ass t assistance to pay for their health care. this would eliminate this for members of congress and the executive branch. this is something a senior house republican source told them was their nuclear option, their final option, because this, of course, hits members of congress where they hurt. and that is their pocketbook, personally. so this is the plan. that house republicans to have go forward, this is their next move in this very high-stakes game of ping-pong. and we're probably going to see that on the house floor, i'm told, maybe late afternoon, early evening. based on what we just saw in the senate at the top of the hour, brooke, it's very likely the
senate is going to do pretty much what they did before. it just will make it perhaps a lot more difficult because they're going to be voting on their own pocketbook, which of course, is the whole point. >> and ultimately, the question is, you know, who blinks? who stops the pinging and ponging back and forth and says, okay, we give in? let's continue the government funding after, you know, the midnight tonight deadline. dana bash will be watching every step and iteration from capitol hill. thank you. coming up, what about the members of congress, republicans, democrats, if we end up, you know, government is not funded after midnight, who are you going to blame? who do you think is acting like spoiled children? we'll share this cnn poll with you next. er ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+.
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you know this, that a government shutdown would be risky territory for members of congress and president obama. so if washington goes dark, figuratively speaking, who would you the american people hold responsible? our chief national correspondent john king has exclusive new poll numbers. john? >> first and foremost, there is no question the american people think this is a bad idea to have that shutdown clock run to zero. look, 7 in 10 americans. 68% say it would be a bad thing to shut the government down for a few days. what about the prospect of a shutdown that ran on longer, for a few weeks, hard to get 8 in 10 americans to agree on anything, but they agree on this, a bad thing to shut the government down for more than a few weeks.
however, we should note. these are national numbers. all politics are local? 40 of 50 of the most conservative house members, 4 of 5 of the most conservative senators are pushing this strategy for the republican party. they think they're on safe ground back home. 56% of tea party supporters say it's a good thing to shut down the government. that's why some of the conservatives are not afraid to go to the brink right here. however, if we come back to the national numbers, if this happens, who would the american people think is most responsible? 36% say the president would be responsible. but nearly half say republicans would be responsible. and 13% say both. so the president on safer ground at the moment. on the question of responsibility, this is interesting, though, again, how you vote impacts what you think of the political brinkmanship. if you're a democrat, you overwhelmingly blame republicans, if you're a republican, you blame the president. independent voters equally divided on the question of who is responsible. that tells you the president has
a sales case to make to the middle of the electorate. some republicans say we're on safe ground because the american people don't like the president's health care law. it's true, our new poll shows 57%, nearly 6 in 10 americans, oppose obama care. however, this is a critical distinction. break that number down. 11% of those who oppose the president's health care law oppose it because they don't think it went far enough. they wanted a single payer system or more government involvement. that's a critical point as republicans say hey, thuamerican people oppose the law. some oppose it not for the reason the republicans sig cite. what's the most important question, what's most critical to do, avoid a government shutdown or block the health care law? 6 in 10 say avoid the shutdown. that number speaks for itself. a. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio.
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benjamin netanyahu meeting today with barack obama, and the white house, the relationship between obama and netanyahu, one of the more strained in the history of the two nations, but in march of this year, president obama made his first visit to israel as president of the united states. a charm offensive to reassure israelis that the u.s. is in fact committed to israel's security, but chief on today's agenda was this, iran. netanyahu is not buying iran's diplomatic sweet talk, saying its new leader cannot be trusted when it comes to iran's nuclear intentions. >> the most important challenge is preventing iran from developing nuclear weapons. i appreciate deeply the fact that you have made clear that you remain committed to this goal. i also appreciate the statement you made that iran's conciliatory words have to be matched by real actions.
transparent, verifiable, meaningful actions. iran is committed to israel's destruction. so for israel, the ultimate test of a future agreement with iran is whether or not iran dismantled its military nuclear program. >> so that is his perspective. what do you -- what do americans think? according to the latest cnn/orc poll, three quarters of americans, 76%, say they favor direct diplomatic negotiations with iran in an effort to prevent that country from developing nuclear weapons. and this is just the latest video here of syrian fighting rebels from this trench, exchanging gunfire with syria's government forces. so today's news out of the u.n. general assembly might come as a surprise.
there's no civil war going on in syria. at least, that's according to syria's foreign minister. >> translator: this is not a civil war. there is no civil war in syria, but it is a war against terror that recognizing no values nor justice, nor equality, and this regards any rights or laws. so confronting this terror in my country requires the international community to act in accordance with relevant resolutions on counterterrorism. the united nations says the two-year-old civil war has killed over 100,000 syrians. just a short time from now, house minority leader nancy pelosi along with democratic leaders. we're watching and waiting for this news conference to happen as the clock ticks down. we'll soon find out what happens when the senate, now that they have voted kicking this bill back to the house with hours to
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not only to do with medicine, to do with the environment. fabulous childrens hospitals, there's fabulous, you know, things for adults. but when you actually look at what teenagers are, which is neither a child or an adult, there's nothing. >> he and his teammate pete townsend created team cancer america, based on a program they had been involved with for years in the uk. the charity creates teens-only cancer wards in the hospitals. >> you have enough problems as it is just being a teenager without having that lumped on top of you, so we provide a specialized environment where they can be comfort being teenagers. i had a life of privilege, and it was supplied by teenagers supporting me. near the top of the hour, i'm brooke baldwin. it's not what you want to hear, but with a government shutdown
now less than nine hours away, the only thing that seems to be in agreement at this moment is a shutdown is likely to happen. that likelihood just increased after we saw what the senate did just this past hour there. so with the vote striblctly alo party lines, 54-46, senators rejected the house funding bills that delayed the implementation of obama care for a year and repealed a tax on medical devices. very soon, this is the next step in this ping-pong match, to quote my colleague, dana bash, now house democrats have this new conference they'll be holding and the vote next goes to them. we're going to bring that to you live, but house republicans, as we have been repoing, they're also meeting behind closed doors. as the back and forth continues to play out, the american people not at all amused, but apparently more unhappy with republicans, as you can see here, with this poll, this new cnn research opinion poll, finds
republicans will take a bigger hit if, if the shutdown happens. 46% there to barack obama being blamed at 36%, and actually 13% of americans polled say they're both to blame. let's go back to capitol hill, back to our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. we saw the vote on the senate floor. what's next? >> what's next is it is now, as you said, in the house republicans' court. i moved down to effectively to the basement of the capitol, down the hall from where house republicans are having that meeting to try to talk to some of them coming out, but we do know based on multiple sources who are currently in the room e-mailing myself and deirdre walsh about what their plans are. as we reported earlier today, it is not to send a clean bill back funding the government, but it is to add some more details and some more provisions chipping away -- the intention, of course, is to chip away at obama
care. one would delay the individual mandate for obama care, which of course, is the core of the law, making mandating that everybody in this country, moe people, get health insurance. it would delay that for a year, and second provision in this new plan would be to try to make it very difficult for lawmakers to vote no, and that would be to take away the federal subsidies, the money that comes from the treasury that goes to lawmakers to help them pay for their own insurance. that is something that one senior republican source told me over the weekend was a nuclear option. they're deploying it. so this looks like this is their -- the last cannon in their arsenal before they send it back to the senate and perhaps, perhaps ultimately maybe by midnight, maybe in the wee hours of the morning, who knows, they might be ready to wave the white flag and say, fine, we surrender. we will pass a bill funding the government without anything there. to do that, this is important, to do that, john boehner, who by
the way wanted to do that all along, would have to agree to do it in a bipartisan way, get democratic support, and definitely face the wrath of many in the conservative base and some in his own caucus. >> so now that you have this intel that these house republicans still want to fold in those two different provisions you outlined. at the same time, you talked to republican congressman charlie dent not too long ago live on our air who said the opposite, enough is enough, let's pass this thing and fight obama care down the road. >> absolutely. he was going 92 this meeting saying exactly that. why are we going through this, these machinations, knowing how this movie ends? listen to what he told me about what he was going to tell his colleagues about effectively giving up now. >> i voted to repeal, delay, defund obama care. i have all sorts of problems with the health care law, and i also realize it's not going to be changed between now and the end of the day today. it's imperative for us right now to get on with the above of governing. i would say there are over 180,
190 members of the house republican congress who has a serious sense of governance and who are the governing wing of the party. we is a few dozen who don't have that same sense. we're going to have get on with the business, pass a bipartisan bill, and keep the government running. >> doesn't look like he's going to get his wish, at least that's not the next republican move. the question is whether people like him and other republicans we have talked to, at least privately, who said enough already, will also go along with the republican plan. my guess is the answer is yes, they will, knowing that they will face pressure and they will face a lot of anger from conservatives in the base if they don't at least go along with this next plan. even though, as you just heard, he thinks this is the wrong way for his caucus to go. one thing i should tell you is, you know, what boehner and his fellow republican leaders are dealing with is math. and that is that they have 233 or so members in their caucus.
they need 217 to pass something, so they have to do whatever they can. if they want to just do party-line votes, to please that about 17 or 18-member group who are very conservative, who are absolutely determined to fight and say that they will sit on their hands unless boehner agrees to do so. >> dana bash and crew with their running shoes on, chasing these congressmen down to the basement of capitol hill. we appreciate you and will check in momentarily. >> the senate didn't convene until this afternoon, and republican house members, they took notice. >> the house has done its work. we passed a bill on saturday night. sent it to the u.s. senate, that would delay obama care for one year and would eliminate permanently the medical device tax that is costing us tens of thousands of jobs that are being shipped overseas. senate decided not to work yesterday. well, my goodness. if there's such an emergency, where are they?
>> while we were here until nearly 1:00 a.m. sunday morning, the senate was gone. the president, according to the "new york times," played golf over the weekend. i guess the senate and the president have other priorities. but their inaction of talking to us will cause a shutdown. where oh, where has the senate gone. where oh, where can they be? with time so short and issues so long, where oh, where has the senate gone? >> gloria borger, let me bring you in. >> do i have to speak in poetry? >> no rhyme. >> speak in rhyme? >> maybe later. that was entertaining. let's speak about john boehner. he's in a tough spot. what do you think is going on behind closed doors? >> i think john boehner is in a very tough spot. this is kind of a defining moment for him. and the republicans i talked to say, look, they believe there was always some kind of an informal game plan, which was to
give the reservative republicans their due, give them a vote, send it to the senate, and when it comes back, kind of do the clean continuing resolution, fund the government, and then life moves on. i'm not so sure that's going to happen right now. it depends on what the speaker's caucus wants to do. i don't sense that he's a person who feels threatened in any way. i think he's near the end of his career, not at the beginning of his career. but i do think what he's trying to do is get his republicans re-elected. and leave republicans in charge of the congress. let them do what they have to do so they don't get primaried by more conservative republicans, but i believe he wants to fund the government and knelt this over with. he doesn't look like a happy guy to me. >> listen, at this point, this is all speculation, but now we know this, you know, bill is going back to the house. dana bash is reporting these two other provisions they're going to slap in there, it's going to go back to the senate.
the senate, i'm guessing, is going to say no, back to had house, the clock ticks. we're waiting for midnight. if the house finally says okay, at least for now, and takes this clean continuing resolution, this whole back and forth and volleying and fight, what has been in the for republicans? is it just about 2014 and elections? >> that's a really good question, and i'm not sure i really know the answer to that because i'm not quite sure they haven't stepped on their own message. if your message is, obama care is bad, it's a mess, you've got enrollment starting tomorrow, right? there have been lots of problems with it. the president calls it glitches. some people say it's more than that. you know, you're giving corporations a free ride, but individuals have to enroll. small businesses now, they have to take more time to figure it out. there's lots of problems. if you wanted to highlight the problems, why not highlight the problems? now, all we're talking about is funding the government. and this sort of general, we
want to repeal obama care, but the republicans really had an opportunity here to talk about what's wrong with the president's health care bill, and try and fix it. and instead, i think they're caught up in this argument that many people think is kind of a nonsecwitter at this point. >> thank you very much. and i want to talk here beyond the politics and the polling just about the potential impact of this likely government shutdown tonight. megan writes about business and economics for bloomberg view. she joins me here, megan, and i want to bring you in because whenever i read things from diane swonk, i pay attention, right? so she poirnted out, and i want to quote her, she pointed out thus far this year, the economy has decelerated. she says this, quote, do we want to risk stall speed again in the fourth quarter just because our elected officials can't bring themselves to negotiate on our behalf. incompetence is a cost that accumulates over time.
do you agree with her, megan? >> i absolutely do agree that having good government, and by that, i don't mean necessarily big government or small government, but government that does a good job at the tasks we have assigned it, that does matter. having good institutions, research has shown over and over again, matters a lot for economic growth. and right now, i think what we're looking at is increasingly uncertainty in the economy, just at a time when everything is already so uncertain that we don't want to give businesses any more reasons to say, you know, hold up. i think i'm going to, you know, hunker down and take my cash and not spend it. >> we don't know where the bill is going next, although it's going to the hos. speaking of, i need to head back to capitol hill because nancy pelosi is speaking right now. >> this is what they proposed. so we're saying, okay, you have two bad things there. one, the 988 number, 986, whatever it is, however it comes out, and you have the
undermining of affordable care act. take that off. we'll accept your number in order to go to the table to negotiate, which is exactly what we should have been doing for the past six months. when all of us agreed that we wanted to proceed under the regular order of congress. the house passes a bill, the senate passes a bill. that happened in march. for six months, the republicans who said they wanted the order then abandoned that, wants the senate to pass its bill. for six months, we have been long overdue. let's just bring a clean cr to the floor. a clean cr to the floor. pass it with a few weeks that it gives us to come to the table to eliminate the sequester, which, again, hurts our economy, destroys at the cost of at least 1 million jobs, and again,
something that is beneath the dignity of honoring our responsibilities to the amane people, to do what limited government should do to grow the economy, to create jobs, and very importantly, to us. to reduce the deficit. with that, i'm pleased to yield to mr. hoyer. >> thank you very much, madam leader. we are against shutting down the government. shutting down the government is bad policy. it undermines the comp tense of our people, our national security, our economy, and the creation of jobs. we are against shutting down government. as a result, we are prepared at this point in time to allow six weeks so that we can negotiate how we operate government effectively and efficiently. and as a result, we are prepared to work as a leadership team to get the votes for a number which we think is not accurate but which is the republican number.
we're asking them to take yes for an answer. we hope -- >> so these are the house democratic leaders, hoping that their overall house of representatives, as you know, a majority republican, would take the straight up or down vote from the senate bill that was just now passed to the house. but as dana bash and our colleagues on the hill have been reporting based upon intel from sources in this closed-door house republican meeting, that's not going to happen. at least not on this volley. so megan, let me go back to you, because really, this is what americans want to know when it comes to if and when this happens, if the clock strikes midnight, if there is a government shutdown, and presumably, as many people will be watching the markets tomorrow and watching it tank, do you think that the numbers on wall street will be more reactionary to the shutdown itself or to this larger looming battle that is the debt ceiling deadline 17 days down the road? >> you know, i think that the
reaction is not so much to either the debt ceiling showdown or even this shutdown, but to the fact that congress seems to have so much trouble agreeing on very, very basic things like should we appropriate the money we have agreed to spend and then actually spend it? that sends a signal that there's no sheriff in town. and that is carry thought for people because for the last five years we have been so dependent on the government to pump stimulus into the economy, to bail out the banks. there's a sense if the government can't get it together, that really doesn't bode well for the future. >> not getting it together so far. we just saw the dow down 133 points down. 40 minutes left in the trading day, and the bickering continues. thank you so much. back to our special coverage out of washington in a moment. i'll speak live with a republican who has been inside the closed-door meeting on what their next move is with the deadline hours away. first, dozens are hurt after these commuter trains collide in
chicago. and investigators say there was a mystery unfolding here over a runaway train. we will take you live to that scene next. plus, it's a story that has so many of you talking. these two actors here pulled over in south carolina, and what they say happened next is prompting police to investigate their own officers for alleged racial profiling. that actor on the left joins me life. stay tuned. know where flo is? are you flo? yes. is this the thing you gave my husband? well, yeah, yes. the "name your price" tool. you tell us the price you want to pay, and we give you a range of options to choose from. careful, though -- that kind of power can go to your head. that explains a lot. yo, buddy! i got this. gimme one, gimme one, gimme one! the power of the "name your price" tool. only from progressive.
we'll take you back to the special coverage of the government deadline, running out of funding potentially in just a moment, but first, i want to take you to chicago to this fast-moving story there. dozens of people are hurt after a commuter train collided with another. and the thing is, investigators have no idea why. ted is live on the scene. you have one that is full of passengers. the other, this mysterious runaway train. >> they're not sure what happened. you see it behind me, the wreckage. you had an eight-car train, full of passengers at 8:00 this morning, during the morning commute, and then this four-car passenger train with nobody in it. they collided head on. the four-car passenger train came from a depot close to here, first, they thought somebody intentionally hijacked the train and did this on purpose.
there was a lot of speculation that was going on. a lot of nervousness, too. full investigation. now they have gone back, and they have looked at the surveillance tapes and they don't see anybody on that train, and now they're thinking it's a mechanical problem, but 33 people were injured, went to nine separate hospitals, and they don't know why this train got out of control. >> this is an extremely rare occurrence. i don't know the last time, if ever, that this has happened on the cta system. this is a system that has a very strong safety track record. and this is an incident that really is an aberration, and it brings with it a lot of questions. >> brooke, for this train to have gone from the dep.o.t. into the position it is now, it had to go over two stop gaps, a switch, and then an maejs shutdown should have happened, neither has happened. the ntsb is here to investigate.
they want to make sure what happened so it doesn't happen again. but they say foul play at this point is not suspected. >> want to take you back to washington as we're learning house republicans are walking out of this closed-door meeting. there she is, our chief congressional correspondent dana bash who has snagged one of the house republicans. dana, the floor is yours. >> thank you, brooke. i'm here with congressman scott ridgell from the state of virginia. tell me whether you think this course of action that you all just discussed and i gather agreed to, to not send back a clean bill funding the government, as democrats are demanding, but to add a delay of the individual mandate for a year and also keeping federal subsidies for you and your fellow congressmen -- >> removing them. >> removing all federal subsidies for the health insurance for all members of congress and staff. and i really think it's important that we include the president in this, too. i believe in leadership by
example. a principle i learned a long time ago. i think we're actually going to improve the affordable care act if it does have to stay. we think it should be unwound, of course, but what we're doing now, i think, is wise. i hope our conference will unite behind this and send it to the floor for a vote. then send it over to the senate. it's a reasonable effort. and i think a wise one. >> you're a new member, but i know you're a smart person who understands simple math. and that is that if senate democrats are going to do exactly what they did, you know, about an hour ago, which is swiftly reject what you're going to send them, what's the point when we're heading towards midnight and the government will shut down? >> well, we made several concessions in the house. substantive ones, and i haven't seen that from the senate. there's been no reciprocity on any type of reasonable accommodation. when senator reid refers to us as anarchists and others say in the white house they don't want to negotiate with people with
bombs strapped to their chest, i'm deeply offended by it. that type of language, when you're speaking of other american citizens who really believe strongly, as i do, that this is not the best path, the affordable care act, that does a disservice to the tone, to the civil debate. i'm proud of our conference. we haven't used that kind of language for those with whom we disagree. >> your colleague caharlie dent told me before going into the meeting, he's done, ready to wave the white flag, and he was going to make the argument inside the conference and hope enough of you agreed that, you know what, pass a bill, fund the government, do it with bipartisan support, and move on. did you -- if that was on the floor, would you vote for it? >> no, not at this point. we ought to fight for what we believe. once we get up to 11:59, you know, p.m. tonight, and well, i'll see where we are at that point. i do know this, i know for the hampton roads region where i
serve and represent those good folks, that we have already experienced furloughs because of sequester. to layer upon that more economic pain, that doesn't seem wise to me at all. but i'm taking this one vote and one -- >> are you fighting a kamikaze mission? you know the way the senate democrats are going to respond? they run the show over there. >> if our senate colleagues want to vote against what i think every american would think is right, that is that we're all in. we're not getting a subsidy, either, on the affordable care act. i mean, this resonates deeply with the american people. they want members of congress to live like everybody else. and so i think it's a wise path. i really -- i have been critical of our leadership many times, but i think this is a viable path. i was speaking to a union member today, called in on a radio show, and he was saying, look, there's a real problem here. we're not able to stay on our insurance. it's fundamentally changing our insurance. i think even if one supports the
affordable care act, it's wise to delay it for a year. i think that's the best path for our country. >> thank you for stopping. i appreciate it. >> and brooke, this is, i think, a good example of what you're hearing from a lot of lawmakers, that they're not ready to give which is a big ich is a big reason
house, a meeting with one incredibly significant agenda, iran. just one week after president obama's historic phone call with the newly elected president of iran, hassan rouhani, he has a message, don't be so naive. netanyahu is not at all buying the sweet talk, saying the new leader cannot be trusted when it comes to iran's nuclear intentions. >> iran is committed to israel's destruction, so for israel, the ultimate test of a future agreement with iran is whether or not iran dismantles its military nuclear program. >> so what do americans think about this? according to our latest americans, 76% say they favor direct diplomatic negotiate eggs with iran in an effort to prevent the country from developing nuclear weapons. a short time ago, president obama talking about the deadline
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paycheck on time. instead, they'll be getting ious. no question many family budgets will be in crisis, along with the government's if this shutdown happens. >> i just think that congress is only thinking about themselves and not thinking about the everyday workers who come to work and give all we've got. we haven't gotten pay raises in the last three, four years, and we come to work and we're dedicated to the public. i work for agriculture and we're critical. our department is the first always to get cut because they want defense money or they want money for wars and everything, but you can't eat without agriculture. i mean, you know? >> so what is the president saying, at least thus far today? jim acosta, our senior white house correspondent joining us now. we know president obama, he spoke on this. what specifically did he say today, jim? >> well, it's interesting that you said, brooke, that the president, this is what he said so far today. the president indicated when he was meeting with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu
earlier today that he's not only going to have comments at that moment earlier today, but as the day goes on. i think we'll hear from the president again before the day is out, before the government shuts down, if it does shutdown. but what he did say in the brief remarks is he's still not resigned to the fact there will be a government shutdown. he's still 40e7holding out hope something will get worked out in capitol hill over the next nine hours or so, but one thing we heard from the white house after the president spoke, the white house press briefing happened skwrb jay carney knocked down the proposals floating around capitol hill that would attach anti-oba anti-obama care programs, and he started to tick off the programs that would be affected by this. you mentioned a few of those a moment ago, but jay carney also mentioned the whemeals on wheel programs for senior citizens and veteran call-ins, where they
call in to ask about their benefits. it was at this, i guess at this meeting with benjamin netanyahu earlier this afternoon that the president did say that he will be talking to congressional leaders as the day goes on. he's been asked about this because of the fact that he has not been in touch with john boehner, the speaker of the house, in the last week or so, at least not that the white house is willing to say publicly, but the president sort of put all that to the side in making some comments to the press that it's really up to the congress at this point to avert a shutdown, not him. >> the bottom line is that the senate has passed a bill that keeps the government open, does not have a lot of extraneous issues to it, that allows us then to negotiate a longer term budget and address a range of other issues. but that insures that we're not shutting down the government and we're not shutting down the economy at a time when a lot of families out there are just
getting some traction and digging themselves out of the hole we had as a consequence of the financial crisis. now, one interesting thing that did pop up in the last few hours, brooke, we asked about this in the press briefing. jay carney was asked whether or not the white house might be open to some sort of one-week short term continuing resolution to keep the government running for one week, as absurd as it sounds, and he did not knock down that as a possibility. we do understand from dana bash and ted barrett, our folks on capitol hill, that harry reid, the leader, has said no to that. that is not acceptable to him, but interesting to note that the white house did not knock that down. went back to talk to white house officials about that. they said, don't read anything into that. they just can't respond to every idea coming out of capitol hill right now, because there could be a lot as the hours come near to a government shutdown. >> the hours draw near. midnight tonight deadline. jim acosta, thank you. coming up on the other side of the break, we know the house republicans are now emerging
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we will take you back to capitol hill in a minute, but this pair of hollywood actors is speaking out about their treatment by a south carolina sheriff's deputy. jeremy johnson and dennis white said they were stopped by police, put in handcuffs while driving through marion county, south carolina. the marion county sheriff issued a statement to cnn promising to investigate the couple's allegations of racial profiling. let me back up because their story, which was posted to cnn's ireport early saturday by a friend of theirs now has garnered more than 730,000
views, making it one of the most view eed i reports. nischelle turner just spoke with the actress here. nischelle. >> brooke, hollywood chapper cherry johnson and dennis white said they were improperly stopped by police, put in handcuffs and harshly questioned about drugs and money in a recent getaway in south carolina. they claim it took place because of their eraerase. both are black. cherry johnsson is best known for her roled in "bunky bru y brewster." they're talking about their treatment from a marion county's sheriff's deputy. i spoke with johnson and here's what she told me happened. they were on their way to myrtle beach. they saw cotton fields when they were driving there. she grew up in california, had never seen them in person, so she asked if they could stop and take pictures. when they were done, they walked back and noticed a sheriff's patrol car was pulled up behind them. she said she had been stopped by
the police before but she had never been afraid for her life until then. the officer not only handcuffed them, searched the car, questioned them about cash they had on hand and also a tea bag they found, he was questioning if it was marijuana. he also told her she had a warrant for her arrest when she says the deputy later recanted. she said she's telling this story and dennis is telling his story because she wants to make sure that something like this never happens again. of course, we reached out to the marion county, south carolina, sheriff's department, and sheriff mark richardson did issue us a statement today to address this issue. he said in part, discrimination is in any form, including racial profiling, is strictly prohinted by this department, and as sheriff of this county, i can assure you i will take immediate and appropriate action to investigate the allegations of racial profiling. the sheriff's department added they would conduct an internal
investigation into the matter and also ask the south carolina law enforcement division to review the allegation against the deputy in question. we did reach out to him for further comment and he did tell us because this is an ongoing investigation, he would not have any further comment at this time. back to you. >> okay, nischelle, thank you very much. up next, a new report is out today on exactly what happened to those 19 hot shot firefighters. remember this? they lost their lives in that arizona wildfire. the question has been why? what happened? what went so wrong and what could be done to prevent tragedies like this in the future? some answers next. tickets? hmm, sure. how many? well, there's hannah, maddie, jen, sara m., sara b., sa -- whoa, whoa. hold on. (under his breath) here it comes... we can't forget about your older sister! thank you, thank you, thank you! seriously? what? i get 2x the thankyou points on each ticket. can i come? yep.
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within the law. >> each of the -- >> so kevin mccarthy, eric cant cantor, and before him was john boehner, house speaker. they're all speaking because we know they'll be receiving and thus then voting on the version of this government funding bill that the senate passed to them, this clean resolution, aka, this bill without any kind of provisions involving obama care. as we have learned from deirdre walsh and dana bash, they plan to add in other provisions, one of which is adding a delay of a year to the individual mandate which was a crucial part of obama care. now again in the hands of the house of representatives. moving on, a critical report. details, what could have been done to save 19 hot shot firefighters overcome by massive flames in arizona. this report out, it is dramatic, heart breaking, and as state officials admit, lacking in
clear answers. apparent radio communications issued played a role in what happened that fateful day. casey wian takes a closer look. >> this is the last known image of the 19 experienced hot shot firefighters known as the granite mountain team on june 30th, heading to battle
the yarnell fire in arizona. how did they end up like this? 19 flags and helmets in memorial? >> granite mountain, worked their way down the slope, through the boulders and brush until the flaming front cut them off from their escape route. >> the state's official investigation is at best inconclusive. they had four options to escape the rapidly approaching wildfire. the one they chose proved deadly. why they chose it remains a mystery. >> that information is with them, not with us. everybody we interviewed, and the information we gathered, it says exactly why they made that move. that decision-making process
went with those 19 men. >> the report blames an unexpected shift in winds and unusually combustible fuel in an area that hadn't burned in nearly half a century. once they were trapped in this brush-filled valley, they had two
minutes to deploy their fire shelters as the flames approached at 10 to 12 miles per hour. >> temperatures exceeding 2,000 degrees fahrenheit. >> another factor, radio communications challenges. incident commanders lost contact with the crew for about 30 minutes, leading to confusion about their location. investigators describe sharing their findings with the firefighters' families. >> it is everything you would have expected. anger, frustration, and just an overcoming sense of loss. a very emotional meeting. >> our brothers, sons, dads. they're gone. the current generation of
firefighters has never experienced the tragedy such as yarnell hill and the loss of the granite mountain crew. >> pretty incredible to think that experts are saying now that one of the things that could have prevented this disaster, this tragedy from happening, had they all had gps devices on their persons, then the instant commanders would have known exactly where they were, could have given them clearing instructions on how the best way to get out of danger was at that time. we'll have to see if firefighters are equipped with this type of equipment in the future. >> so tragic. casey wian on that report. casey, thank you very much. coming up, back to washington we go. we're listening to members, house leaders on the hill, and now james langford, republican, oklahoma, on what is next when it comes to this government funding bill. we'll chat next.
on capitol hill, house republicans are just now walking out of this meeting, plotting the next move in this standoff. one of the congressmen who was in that meeting joins me now there from the hill. he is congressman james lankford from oklahoma. welcome. i know this meeting you have been part of lasted an hour and a half, it just ended. tell me your party's strategy now that the u.s. senate has
rejected your plan. >> it's ironic is the u.s. senate didn't actually reject it. they just tabled it. they said we're not going to vote on this, we're going to push it away. there are two proposals. one is to protect the military to make sure they were fully funded. and they tabled the latest proposal on the funding. what we will do is send a proposal back to fully fund the government but eliminate the individual mandate. the president has already waived the businessman date. we will waive the individual mandate for the next year and eliminate any kind of exemptions that members of congress or members in the white house or political appointees would have in obama care. that means the white house political appointees and all members of congress would go directly into obama care as was originally intended in this law. those two things go back over to the senate. >> when it comes to those two things, we heard from other house republicans earlier on cnn, some of whom didn't necessarily agree with that, wanted to say enough is enough, let's go ahead and vote on this, this continuing resolution, and be done with it. did you need any convincing or
are you on board from the get-go? >> no, i'm on board with this. we shouldn't have some sort of special exemption in the middle of all this with obama care. the way the law was written, whether you like or don't like the law, the way the law was written is it made sure that members of congress and their staff are fully into obama care. the office of personnel management shifted that language around and said no, we're going to provide additional subsidies which is right to have employer provided health care, but the way the law is written doesn't allow for that. we're pushing that back out and also coming back and saying it's only right that if you have a business exemption, you have an individual exemption. right now if you're an individual, you have to do all these different things or you'll be fined. a business does not. >> so this is this version that then presumably you all will kick back over to the senate. you know the math. you were exactly right in saying tabling amendments which is presuming that the democrats and the republicans on the senate side vote as they did in the last hour, they will then table those amendments you just
discussed, it goes back to you all so really, the question is congressman, would you be willing to vote for a clean bill at some point by midnight tonight? >> yeah. the challenge of that is first members of the senate have to step in and say we're going to vote to make sure we have the special exemption the rest of the american people have and vote to say business should have an exemption but individuals should not have an exemption. that's where it stands right now. we're trying to create a fair playing field for everyone. if we're in obama care it needs to be fair for everyone. right now there's a lot of exemptions and waivers out there and we will pull those out. >> so back to the question, would you ultimately vote for a clean continuing resolution in order to prevent this government, the funding to continue after midnight? >> no. i'm waiting on the senate to be able to respond to this. we sent over two different proposals. this will be our third on it. they've got to be able to answer back. >> okay. congressman, we will be watching. thank you so much, sir. and we are minutes, five minutes away from the closing bell. how is wall street reacting to this bickering, the impending
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about uncertainty than anything else. the market is used to stalemates in washington. if the government does shut down for one week, it will only have a limited effect on economic growth. however, the problem is that a shutdown this time around is actually only one piece of the puzzle. we've got the debt ceiling deadline on the horizon which will have a much bigger impact. if the government defaults on its debt for the very first time in history we will most likely see a huge tumble in the market. there will be dramatic cuts in spending and it would put a dent in gdp and business confidence. in terms of shutdown, when the markets opened this morning, the traders i spoke to were surprisingly optimistic about a deal being reached by midnight tonight. however, one trader just actually stopped by a second ago and i asked him are you still optimistic given the back and forth and he hesitated so i think people are slowly starting to get nervous. it will be very interesting to see what happens when the markets open tomorrow. brooke? >> zain, thank you. let's go straight to where you are and listen in.