he was asked if he had communist teachers and he told an it was none of their business. [laughter] >> that's right. and more that i think being a sort of old left sort of new york fellow, he was a sort of new england yankee, you know, sort of guy. not necessarily terribly liberal or, more independent yankee. they don't talk about him a lot. angela spoke about him very fondly, because she remembers that when she, she first came to the school, she can week before the school open to circuit oriented with the people who she was staying with. she just remembers him smiling at her and being very courtly and proper, which i think was a

good reminded her of the south because it was just amazing to her. she went around to the teachers and she was calling them by the first name and they were wearing jeans. [laughter] she said, you know, maybe i made a horrible mistake. maybe my mother was right. maybe this will be full of crazy beatniks like she said last nigh--[laughter] >> did the three maintain contact with the school or whether classmates? >> absolutely. >> did they have continual involvement with the school? >> angela i think those to the reunions almost -- [inaudible] >> almost every year now. and i think they've done that pretty regularly. [inaudible] >> did she really? [inaudible]

>> and tom also comes to the reunions now and then. i think he has kept sporadic touch with the school. and elliot kept touch with the school as a set until about the 1980s. and then he just felt like, you know, the people had, you know, his classmates turned their back on him. so yeah, he hasn't been back in a long time. and as a matter of fact, i forget when, in the mid '90s i think ei published a 50th anniversary commemorative book, and everybody sort of submitted their memories to any action is a very nice letter saying, you know, i remember the arts were. i just had wonderful expenses there. i hope the old left pieties have

departed. i hated everything about the politics there, and i hope that's gone now. and as for everything else, i loved it. it caused a tremendous uproar when it was published. people were just beside themselves and they rode in in highly angry terms. and elliot has always been able to drive his classmates crazy, and by extension the entire sort of left wing community crazy, and it's a role he has relished. anyone else? so, in all of these years of research, what was the most surprising thing that you found about them or about one of the three characters, or what detail did you uncover that kind of really took you by surprise? >> that's a lot of research. let me come back to that.

[laughter] i'm drawing a blank. anything else? one more question, yes? >> was there a longer list of people before you settled on or connected with these three speak with absolute. when i started the project, i interviewed a lot of people. i knew that i wanted it to be between the classes of, say, 61 and 65 so they would arrive in college, you know, at the height of the college revolt. so i had a tremendous selection of people to choose from. and these were the people that i settled on. i mean, i know that i wanted some who represented the old left, which was tom. i wanted somebody who was in opposition to the school, because i didn't want it to be just sort of uncritical love

letter. i knew the school contain a lot of contradiction and i wanted to bring those out. and angela, of course, i wanted to represent a woman. and our life is just fascinating. and an african-american, you know, i couldn't resist. and it's brilliant. and all three are still, they're still doing what they are doing. they never sort of, in the mid '70s or '80s, they never sort of slowed down. tom sort of switched his focus but you still working for his beliefs, and the police may change a bit over the years is not terribly much. they are still fighting for them. and i think that's inspiring. [inaudible] >> dina, thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much.

>> is there a nonfiction author or book you would like to see featured on booktv? send us an e-mail at booktv@c-span.org. or tweet us at twitter.com/booktv. >> up next on booktv, "after words" with guest host this week, msnbc host s. e. cupp. this week david burstein and his book "fast future: how the millennial generation is shaping our world." in the county argued there are currently between 18 and 30 years of age are the largest generation in u.s. history. more ethnically diverse than digitally tuned in than others. mr. burstein says melinda's are increasing and more influential a fast-moving, more integrated world. this program lasts about an hour. >> host: so, david, your millennial writing about millennials sort of advising town elders about the issues of a generation. that takes some background. how old are you? >> guest: 24.

>> host: where did you go to school? where did you go up and why he felt compelled to write this country i grew up in western connecticut, about an hour outside the city, and as a student in high school at the start a film festival for high school students, in which we saw these great films coming in a young people making the cells of issues about bullying and teen suicide. this was in 2003, way before the central part of the national conversation, and seeing the power of film and the way it was impacting my generation. and from that decided to go make a film about the election in 2008 and went around the country anything members of congress about why they thought more young people were voting a try to get young people to vote, starting in our session called generation 18 which took the summer, register 25,000 new voters in 2008 and then we did a similar film in 2012, while doing all that i went to nyu

where he graduated. >> host: i understand where both were part of the same program. >> guest: a great program. i highly recommend it. >> host: it allowed you to craft your own curriculum and she became cross discipline. that's the point. so what did you do transferred my concentration was the intersection of film, technology and politics with emphasis on youth and social change. >> host: so your dedication reads in part to my mother and father to the greatest boomers i know but let's talk about their generation for a minute because they get some flak for mistakes they have made. what's your overall view treasure i think the boomer generation was an incredibly and is an incredibly important generation in our nation's history. most of what is going on today in america would not have been possible without them. the civil rights movement which they played a leading role in

pushing that forward, and the war in the non-come in changing the way we have youth citizen foam in government. changing the way we think about our elected officials and the ability to create upstart movements but i think all of that is incredibly important to the beginning of the women's movement, all that great active that they produced. and all that is missing that directly today, whether it's the election of barack obama or continued advancement of women in congress. so all that is a direct result of the activism. that being said, there's a lot of work done done. and i think that we now stand three-fourths of our entitlement mining on people who are over the age of 30. it used to be we've spent three force on people under the age of 30 in terms of the amount of money and investment.

iit's not a question of generational warfare but i think we now have a conversation about how we are dividing our players. this is not a generation that is expected to get those entitlements. not a generation of any belief that government is going to give them that money. house of representatives the activism you talked about, from the baby boomer generation, that's activism that has trickled down to the millennials, or do you see them as more politically apathetic treachery i think the activism was very much instilled in the millennials, children of the boomers as we were growing up. these are the people who read us the news and talk this idea of values and the way that you should be involved, engaged and responsibility and brought a lot of that spirit into this generation. but i think the way that we look at activism is totally different. the boomer generation believed in activism in the streets,

marching, protesting. and our generation believes you can be an activist by creating a business that changes the way the world is thinking about energy. so a lot of young people are starting green energy and alternative energy companies. we believe that you can do it through technology. all these ways that are very powerful, they are just not seen. they, rather, they are not seen by everyone knows but i think that's part of the challenge we face is people so we're apathetic and lazy because the activism is not in the streets. >> host: i'm sure that's true but there also is a sense that activism, kids lazy, because it's an easy, you can go online or sign an online petition or you can tweak something and that counts as activism today. is that a fair critique transit i think that idea has been pretty overplayed. pessoa people in his generation feel, they tweet and they change the world.

anyone who has felt that way. what's happening now is there's greater awareness and accessibility towards political involvement, involved in social activity. that's a good thing, that there are more people are having some level of access to the process than not. and the hope is that for some of those people in the long-term that will develop into more and that will develop integrated engaged in. everything went about this, how people develop, says if you introduce a habit or introduce an idea to someone when they are young and impressionable in their formative years, that later on as something will become part of their life. so the idea that people are texting $5, that's great. with more young people who are being donors than ever before. and hopefully what that means for any future is people believe it's a good thing to give money and make donations as they get older. so i think that it's not we are losing the people, the activists were doing the hard work but we are also gaining people with at least a surface level engagement

that can grow over time. >> host: and we will turn to politics in a bit, but first, described to me a millennial. what are the values of that generation? what are their goals? once their identities, challenges, aspects, what do they bring to the table? >> guest: this is a generation that came to age indicated that i call the fast future, thus the title of the book, which means that in the past 10 years of this generations growing up, our world has gone through an accelerated pace of change. the amount of change that takes place today in one year is equal to the amount of change that took entire sentries. once a generation has this resolution, -- revolution, look at the introduction of the automobile, all these changes in our society are powered by the exponential technology which changes the pace of everything from how we communicate and how

fast expect people to respond to things to our political system and the pace of how quickly things happen and being on constant come in a constant feedback loop to the ability to trace back in nanoseconds. so millennials are at the forefront of that. we understand that as reality. so while other generation are running around, how do we adapt, how do we get, go forward in this fast-paced world, the millennials are taking it all in stride because that's the reality of how we grew up. it's also brought us a sense of ease and adaptability of its products the ability to be resilient, to the economic crisis, which wow, has led to incredible youth unemployment and incredible debt to young people. young people are optimistic about the long-term economic future because they see that in one year it could be totally different. because was how quickly it started com, and we could see hw quickly it might go away. there's a sense that the other,

the other, the grass is greener summer on the other side, and we have the ability to know that we will get there. there's optimism, a sense of social mindedness that just came out of 9/11 and which is a very formative experience and a lot of the minds of this generation, seeing our country in that particular moment and feeding this civic spirit which i think was really ingrained in this generation at that moment. we've seen a surge in applications for america and the peace corps and the military. we are seeing a world of the past 10 years which has been focused on all the terrible things going on. if you think about the tenor of the national, international conversation over the past 10 years it's been about all my god, our world is in trouble. we have a terrible things going on all over the place. millennials want to do something about it. we also the ability to do something about it because we have the ability to scale action in a way that future -- previous generations haven't. >> host: how has growing up in

the midst of his tenure were, how has that changed the millennials viewpoint transfer is made this generation relies we are part of the independent global world. this is the first global generation whose cognizance of the rest of the world being deeply related throughout. you may been able to live under a rock in previous generations and be disconnected from the rest of the world and thinking about america only are your country on. but i think we recognize that and i think fighting two wars has made this generation, first of all, this generation is one fighting these wars. over when the people of this generation had this experience of fighting these two wars anything this generation perhaps weary of the importance of going into battle and how much we need to do that, and perhaps, not necessary a generation of peacenik, but less enthusiastic

about military action i think in the future. i think that's also something i could in the country as a whole. there's definite a sense around military involvement. what's interesting is we've lived in this time period without having to actually make any sacrifice around de facto been at work. you can walk down the street. there's no signs that we are at war for the past 10 years. and i think that's also something that is different about this generation as opposed to the generation of world war ii were it was an unavoidable part of daily life and if one was aware of the. so perhaps it's over shape that's all of it less. >> host: mentioned the global awareness. let's talk about globalization. there's this sort of nihilistic view of globalization in empire. there's often this like thomas

friedman -- optimists like thomas reagan. which the millennial view on globalization? is a good, bad, inevitable? what is the outlook? >> guest: i think for millennials it is reality. and that perhaps and we've had a debate for 25 plus years, even longer than that in this country about, should into a world with global station or not? we're here. that's the world are living in. i call this generation april reality generation, which is on any number of issues where it seems the older generations are still having a debate. this generation, this is the reality of our world. it may be good. it may be bad, but this is the framework would have to work within. and we're not going to make the world not globalized. there's not a way to do that in this particular moment. >> host: do you think

millennials, millennial generation shares the optimism in the kinds of projects that globalization can accomplish in third world and developing countries tragedy i think technology has been a force that helped to the. technology perhaps is the greatest globalized because platforms in a lot of cases our country agnostic. there are websites and pieces of content, leaving aside censorship and things like that, but in general there is a good for me to be on a website and be in touch with people all over the world. when you think about what happened in the air spring into think about part of that, this whole idea, smart power as hillary clinton did a lot of work on that as well, that culture and ideas and the ability for people to know what's going on in other parts

of the world can be inspired by the. there's a lot of that going on, exchange of ideas between global fears and the ability during the protests in wisconsin on the collective bargaining issue. there were young people holding up signs that said walk like an egyptian, which i find was a great way of showing that global connectedness. those people work south inspired it was going on in the air spring around the same time, and there was some kind, it was young people holding up the signs having that solidarity. i think that's a good way of thinking about the ability on both fronts, the west to other countries, back to the west, a young people are being inspired engaged by their global peers. >> host: there's been criticism that young people have not been engaged in politics come in mean false waste and maybe their engagement feels cursory or superficial. is that fair?

>> guest: i don't think that's fair. if you look at the last two election cycles, youth voter turnout was incredibly high. some of the highest on record. the enthusiasm i would characterize 2012 versus 2008 in terms of the number young people are going out and campaigning, the number of people who are attending rallies, has definite decrease but at the end of the day the voter participation is about the same. so i think that, on electoral side that's important. what you're not seeing as much is young people willing to run for office in the kind of numbers issue. right now there's only one member of the estates congress was under the age of 30. and i think that's a pretty shocking statistic, especially since we just swore in the 113th congress celebrated how all the diversity the number of women, the number of minorities, different sexual orientation, all that incredible history. at the same time we're looking

at the oldest congress come one of the oldest congresses we have ever seen. the congressman from illinois said the other day that if you all the moves of congress were under 40 together in a room and lock the door, that they would solve all the problems. they could get everything done. i think that's an overstatement but i think there's something to be said for the perspective of young people in government, getting people are going into social promotion. people are saying why would i run for congress when i could go build a school in africa and see the impact in one you? why would i get involved in that process? if you think about why people use to go into public service, somewhat ted kennedy or jack kemp, these great leaders who went into how people because they cared and because they thought it was a form of service, i don't think if those people were young today they would do that. they wouldn't go into politics. they might start organizations

in inner cities. in fact, that so many of them did in the later parts of their lives. so we need to call young people back to service. we need to call this brain drain, all the young talent that's going out of politics and into doing great work in these other sectors back into the political process. >> host: how do we do that? how does the political class and the current apparatus attract more young people? >> guest: it's very difficult i think at this point because the young people were going into politics, a lot of them are coming to the same sort of career approach, rising up through the ranks, runnin runnir city council and then wanting to run, and a young career politician is no better than an old career politician, someone who has ambitions of the future. we need people who have this sense of service and a sense of commitment back in politics. i think it's a tough presence. their needs a generational

commitment to do this, and that's the generation you to realize the importance, we've got a group of people together to do this. then you can make an impact. if i'm one person who believes that, i'm not going to do it. you're going to need some like a jim webb who came into congress thinking that he could have an impact and then sort of checked out and said there's no role for one person but if you don't have the coalition, tebowing to come together and solve problems, and that's what this generation needs. we need to come together and realize that importance and have a come to jesus moment, if you will, and run as a group. >> host: do you think the current existing system ignores millennials and that is their peril? >> guest: i think so. we're in a moment where everything we're talking about is about generational issues that everything would talk about is about demographics, is about long-term commitments and where

we invest and we put our priorities the that's all that's on the table from the fiscal cliff to every conversation we are having. and millennials are absent from the conversation, not for lack of wanted to be but for lack of politicians listen. and for not taking the views on this generation series of. i think there's a lot of desire by politicians to taking people into account how such as education, because they see a direct connection to you and people. young people don't just care about student loans and how our education system is going to be better although we care about those things very much. we care about all the issues that older americans care about. we care about where we're investing as a country. we care about all these things, and i think that politicians have incorrectly assessed why that matters. young people care about deficit and debt issues years ago.

they said that was an important issue a long time ago. >> host: i'm sure that's true but is it really true that young people are thinking about entitlement reform? you know, long-term tax reform, that kind of thing? >> guest: i think they care about the basic principle behind. i don't know that the millennial generation, i don't think anyone has a detailed plan of sure how to address these things, but i think that we understand the principle behind needing to make decisions and not wanting to be stuck with having to pay this bill down the road. i think that's something that this generation has been aware. in large part because we've been talking about it for a longtime. >> host: not to sort of generalized an entire generation, but what do you think the millennial view is on the current state of the economy? things are not good and things are not looking good, particularly for the future of

this generation. they might be optimistic, but they are also wrong in some sense. >> guest: i'm not sure they are wrong in the long term. the optimism is important at this, is not everything is great, everything is fine right now. it's an optimism here towards the future will be better. that i think as a group of 80 million people, the largest generation in history, we believe that we might be able to play a role in doing that. you have seen already young people being job creators. young people starting companies, this rise in entrepreneurism. the number of young people starting businesses right out of college, 15% right out of college are starting businesses, which is up 300% from where it was 20 years ago. and i think that speaks to this generation which is had to become entrepreneurs and had to be self starters out a necessity. widowhood have to do that because of the economic and we've been dealt with.

we know how to put things together and solve problems and fix it. so i think you will see more of that. what i think the challenge is going to be is how we, how we build scalable institutions. how we build sort of bigger institutions. you look at a company like facebook, arguably one of the most successful companies of summit in this generation, they do not employ millions and millions of people, tens and thousand people like a company like general electric does. there will be many more smaller companies that millennials are going to start and they will have the skills, assumptions about technology and around social enterprising. >> host: how does that then make the effect, a wal-mart or brick and mortar traditional kind of company that employs millions of people, responsible

for a big chunk of our economy? how does that trickle-down? >> guest: on the news are reshaping a lot of fun and most of the economy because we have a different value set that cares about commitment to invited to almost every company that isn't started by millennial have some kind of social backside to it in some way, whether it's a commitment from the beginning to being green or whether it's actually baked into the mission of the company. and this is a generation that is not buying homes. they are not getting married. the lowest car ownership in a long time. these are like the basic -- these are the basic fundamental concepts of our economy, that people are going -- no has ever thought about what it so but didn't think is valuable to buy a home? for a long time we base our economy on homeownership, marriage and all these things. i'm not an economist so i don't

know how that's going to transform the economy, but it's something that economists should be paying a lot more attention to. when we talk about young people not having a bright future am an older people are incredibly pessimistic about this generation, it's because the economic future is based on the statewide purchases, homeownership and marriage. ..

so this generation is relieved pushing back, kind of restructuring the economy that we have to figure out how we handle that. this is not what economists -- this is not what we base things on. we've never address the question, what if people didn't want to own a home? >> host: for a while we've been forcing home some people. >> guest: part of it has to do with the economy, the part of the value should do since the 1950s beat the idea that homeownership is equivalent with community and marriage was equivalent with love and when you ask millennial suspect that

even the dissenters electric import, they say yet. when they say is getting married apart that? fairness enthusiastic. there's a shift in what that means to people and i don't think it means the generation is spec these institutions. it's that we view the essential things about community and the as import. if you look at community, we don't believe any to be in the house that leo. we can find a multitude of communities and be part of them that aren't centered around our neighborhood are the people who live next to us that we could still be part of a community. that's a big difference will have to figure out as a country have we do that. if we look at companies, they're almost all of them have the social value inherent. whether there'd be a great company or whether it's baked

into the corner. if you look at facebook securities and exchange with a whip public, they say that they are, no company that's ever come public has ever said that before. they're absolutely company turned to make money, the fastest of the different about how the generation approaches business and the business of sport. >> host: wal-mart has gone green in any markets. >> guest: millennialist full text it's shopping some minor if they find a brand. they are willing to work for companies that pay them last. it's not lost on these companies. >> it's a result of free-market pressure shopping elsewhere.

the impact of this. it's much harder to see studies that marketers and brand people look at whether we are voting this fall it that is in some case more effective than launching a boycott and picketing outside of a single story. that's not sustainable. poster lets give it a break and we'll come back this afternoon and it. >> host: i want to return to something we were talking about, the millennial temples to object

even if inadvertently traditional institutions like marriage and home ownership. what to expect when no one is acting. is enough easy view, that a coming population implosion and millennialist will have for that. what messages do you think millennialist would respond to if one wanted to try and encourage those traditionalist dictation, marriage, homeownership, and that earthquakes a >> guest: we have to see a culture that is more authentic. millennia s. care deeply about authenticity and any think of real estate has sold and how the commercialization of the marriage industry of the whole economy around marriage and that

it seemed to the generation looking to find love later in life or around the second generation of people into those experiences. it just all seems very phony. and frankly people in the real estate business haven't had to answer the question, why should you buy -- buy is important important to buy a home click it has to be convinced you why this is the home for you. similarly, people and cars have never had to commit people like anita carter. you need a car, not a challenge. they have to wrestle with that, but that's what the generation is doing. they're forcing generation to

think about these things in a new way to do hard work of his issues. this is not a generation that will sit there and accept business as usual. >> let's talk a little bit more about digital media, social networking. one of the first people think about when they think of millennialist is the online capabilities, interests and social media and social networking. what lesson should everyone else learn about that kind of technology and that communication? >> guest: millennialist straddle the line. they didn't spend high school on wikipedia. it had to be a talk about in the

book at the way was going to protect knowledge he is like a good friend and the people who pushed all these technologies for word and a binary key moment in development. it's a very symbiotic relationship between this generation to knowledge he will be the first adopters of new platforms. mobility seamlessly incorporate them into our lives somewhat were doing. for other generations, it does

work because of their awareness to the rest of the world because of their type was g access and myself another generation today. the ability of using tools that came intuitively to them a digital tools to be a way to scale their impact. that is something that we haven't -- that other generations don't have the two would go right to this. this is the way forward in the ability to be a first responders. >> you talk about the other generation in the reference mark prensky on technology in education and it's going to read something you say that he says. he goes on to point out quaint examples of the immigrant accent, including phone calls to ask someone if they received an e-mail, showing people a website

instead of e-mailing a link. that sounds like my parents. >> guest: having an accent and a native desired another generation can learn the technology, but there may in some cases be some kind of accident still present. when you have the accent, it makes it harder to be a leader in the next generation and that's the advantage millennial south. >> host: it's safe to say facebook and twitter democratize news production and consumption as well. you can be a news producer on facebook and as a consumer i can aggregate my consumption experience and pick out a customized the way i receive my

news on twitter at all a certain people and i get only the news i want and i can filter out other news. how has that changed media and how will millennialist can take me to shape the landscape going forward? >> guest: it's definitely changed the economics model of media. you're a television host and as you well know, frequently go to a show and you'll hear from someone a few days later. nobody's watching and in real-time. people in this generation, the ability of what's going on online is a constant conversation. i regularly check the hash tag of millennialist on twitter and there is a report that came out almost a week ago about millennialist and people are still talking about that and treating about that.

so while there's a sense of real-time medication, there's also a delay in at least two people talking about this constant serve volley back and forth between consumers and producers in how new content right is to the top. it's made it to the colt because there is no ability to pause. it used to be we had a system like the end of the day everybody went to bed. a newspaper editors do their work. but now we have a constant feedback, which is pretty overwhelming. still overwhelming for my generation absolutely. deposit continuum news cycle makes a really exciting and there's always something to talk

about, but it does create a never-ending loop of experience where ideas live forever because you're constantly reference think back to that and you're constantly trying to keep up with developing moments. >> host: you also had the sense that everybody can have a different take on a piece of information and a sense that she had to comment. as journalists have gotten into this, initially they were uncomfortable about wading into the world of twitter because they sat on the columnist. i want to comment on everything. there's an overabundance of content and one of the challenges and there's a big opportunity for that. >> host: let's talk about one of those. let's talk about occupy wall

street. that has a big effect on millennialist. it was influenced in many ways a millennial project. was it successful or something of a failure? >> guest: although his care or ice as a youth driven moment was actually not dominated by young people. a handful of the voices and leaders are millennialist. they did an analysis of who was at the protest in new york. only 23% of the people there were under the age of 30. that's something we should keep in mind because there's a long history of use became associated with protests. when people see protests, there were some you people they are in the most effective groups by the economy. but that movement did was help

push a little bit of a dialogue about the relationship between business and people, the relationship of how people felt about corporations, how people felt about finance. that conversation had been started before that. one of the things that is particularly interesting is that movement was going on, you saw millennial who were there at occupy wall street celebrating the life of steve jobs, which plays -- his death took place at the same moment that was going on. it is this great way of showing the way that millennialist believed corporations are part of our world while they can and say we disagree with financial practices. it's a great corporate titan later an innovator in the need to hold the police at the same

time as some of the hallmarks of a generation that we can hold in our head felt like this practices, but we celebrate the great thinks american business and leaders can do. >> host: people remember looking back on occupy wall street. there are a lot of news clips of someone putting a microphone and a camera and a young person's face and asking why you're here and the people not being able to define the point. actually, that might have been by design and that might've been a success. eric hoffer writes in true believer in nature mass movement. successful mass movement survey. if your specific about your goal, once you reach it, the movement dice. the movement is over.

keeping the goal of occupy wall street bag helped prolong its life. >> that sort of hits the nail on the head because if you think about how social change took place in the 1960s, it did dissipate once the vietnam was ended in the civil rights act passed through so much of the activism has been pointed around those two things. the movement for social change dissipated in a lot of ways after that but felt free to go back. there is a more sustainable act as them, dat we push things forward through more vague kinds of ways and occupy wall street is what makes it a love that and that it helped push a conversation, which today can be just as important as specific action because so much of our world is driven by the media loop in the conversational loop.

that does play an important role. >> host: what's on the horizon in terms of act basin and issues? what's the next big thing for millennialist clanks >> guest: we are seeing more and more action. we saw recently to protest around climate change, which is one of the largest allegedly in history movement and a lot of young people participated and not. people go back home and do things in their daily lives that help push that. i'm excited about what young people are doing in entergy. i'm optimistic instead of big institutions come environmental lobbying for more federal money to be appropriated to the research, there's a great company that has crowd funded it

doesn't exist in basically that's doing solar energy and a lot of these things are started by millennial. clearly this is a political fight. we can do this on around. we can be entrepreneurs and find ways do that. >> host: that's a perfect segue because that's private sector and conservative and conservatives have had a tough time reaching millennial voters and marketing their message to millennial voters. but it sounds like why would we wait for the government to do something we can do ourselves may be an area where conservatives can happen to the small government, entrepreneurial, independent impulse that might appeal really well to the group of voters. jalisco as definitely possible opportunity to engage with young people. both parties need to be aware of

the fickleness. this is not a party focus generation who's going to support democrats or republicans through and through. there are a lot of opportunities , but the impulse towards solutions. the impulse or his private or solutions are nonprofit is both is driven by the frustration that the politicians. the best thing they could do would be to show more openness and show more particularly on social issues. it's not just millennial change in on these things. the whole country. >> host: let's talk about the social issues. some have described it to me and to be honest if a particular project of interest to me. i want conservatism -- as a

partisan i want conservatism to have a better message for all of these voters. it's been described to me conservatism needs to reconcile with marriage, wheat and twitter. is it really that simple? >> guest: at each of those things is your resentment at the base set of issues on which conservatives could be doing better and frankly, some democrats could be doing better in them of these issues. millennialist believed in government. they believe the government has a role to play in my life. as a place for government looking out for people, which is obviously a fairly liberal concept in theory and they also believe we should others runcible fiscal policy, which is a conservative idea. they also believe in gay

heritage. both parties need to adapt towards the middle ground more if they really want to find a home for millennial voters. that certify presents us. it's not having to choose a train to set of beliefs and the other. >> host: interesting. there's an old adage that says if you are john and you aren't liberal, you have no heart. if you're old and not a conservative you have no brain. while at the millennial say to that matrix six >> guest: all these millennialist will be conservative. the history -- the phrase there something about it. that history doesn't necessarily show it. it shows people's impressions of these parties and values are formed when they're younger and they tend to pick with him for a

long time. republicans have a window that perhaps is closing quick way to be impressionable on the millennial center reach out to them. it has to be more than hip-hop lyrics and more than sort of saying hey, i'm cool. because that is so fake. i see a lot of politicians do not is a way to reach out to young people. people want to be spoken to like young supporters. he spent a lot of time going to college campuses and asked young people for their vote, which is something i don't politicians have done enough of. they go to college campus and say here i am. i'm cool, great to see you guys. but asking young people for their vote in the family that has people of other generations. >> host: if they go to college

campuses at all. it is criticized for avoiding voters and giving up and writing him off. >> guest: yeah, the history when you go to young voters and reach out to don, you have a chance at getting their vote. barack obama, even in 2008, this is one of the most fascinating things very undercover w-whiskey ran a a program in iona for high school students called for rock stars because in iowa you can vote in the primary if you're 17 and will be seen in the general. so he went to these high schools targeting high school seniors and juniors who resent being and engaging than an that's one of reason he won was because of this unprecedented engagement on 17-year-old high school student associate genocide is is not dance. >> host: with 2016 on the

horizon, what does a democrat running, let's say hillary clinton or a republican running, let's say chris christie, for example, what do they need to keep in mind when targeting this generation of voters? >> guest: this generation wants to hear a positive message and be brought into the table because this generation has been put on the chopping block in a lot of ways in our political process. we been left out. i'd also love to see them engage more young people in their campaigns. young people always work on campaigns, but there were more people who worked on political campaigns in 2008 than any election in history. young people were engaged in that process in a candidate who can bring those people and really cannot share in a movement. if you look at what happened in

2008, i believe the campaign of barack obama will be more important to his election because that campaign engage so many people and 2016 there can be another movement led by the republican or democrat or both. >> host: you talk about ways in which politicians like barack obama engaged in popular culture. some politicians do that successfully. some don't. let's flip that around. how accurately or fairly as popular culture judge and represent and millennialist? >> host: i don't love you seen this new netflix series, house of cards. a lot of people got their grounding watching the west wing a long time ago and i was older

millennialist watch house of cards and think it's an interesting reflection because both deal with young people in politics. they're the people running in its idealistic and optimistic, which is a reflection of the spirit of the time and the possibility of politics and then you see this so this so we barns carried her in house of cards, who is an optimistic or opportunistic and entrepreneurial person taking different opportunities and trying to work her way through the system and using it to her advantage, which is perhaps effective of how everybody feels. it's still for how this generation feels about politics. >> host: what older people

think about millennialist in popular culture, they think about "jersey shore." it almost tongue-in-cheek makes fun of young hipster. are those unfair shorthand versions of what young people are like today? >> guest: your cannot find people who like everything. that should not be something that's criticized, that and a group of people will always be people when they talk about generation, were talking about what are the most important things happening in this generation that are having an impact in other generations? affect millennialist party doesn't have an impact than any other generation entering

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