>> answered by the ministers he is now time for prime minister's questions. questions to the prime minister. [shouting] >> thank you, mr. speaker. they'll also want to join me in wishing whales this evening. they have played superbly and we wish them all the best. mr. speaker, this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my duties i shall have her there such meetings today. >> chloe smith. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it's not where you're coming from. it is where you're going.

my right honorable friend agree? does my right honorable friend agree that no matter what your background, it is what we want for britain. [shouting] >> i absolutely agree with my honorable friend come and making sure all of our citizens have chances to make the most of their talent should be the driving mission for the rest of the parliament. yesterday's cabinet we were discussing the importance of boosting national citizen service which will play a key role in giving out people the confidence and the lengths goes to make the most of the talent they undoubtedly have. >> jeremy corbin. [shouting] thank you, mr. speaker. today would it be appropriate if we talk for a moment to think of those who lost their lives in the bombing in baghdad in recent days. the people who suffered and their families at the end of ramadan must be terrible at doing for them.

we should send sympathy and solidarity. i join with the prime minister in wishing whales well. and i will be cheering along with everybody else. mr. speaker -- there is life after all. [laughter] [shouting] 30 years ago, mr. speaker, the sharper congaree and played thousands of workers and skilled, well-paid unionized jobs digging coal. today, thousands of people work on the same site. the vast majority have no union recognition, where the minimum wage isn't even paid. to submit shiite agency britain? >> let me join the leader of the

opposition with condolences to all those who've been victims of appalling terrorist attacks as a second bag that in modena, but also istanbul as well. on the issue of what has happened in our communities to see new jobs and new investment column, we have made sure that there is not only a minimum wage, but a national living wage. and yes, he talks about one recently visiting the site red-faced now one business day or now employing almost 5000 people appeared we are never going to succeed if we hold onto jobs in industries that have come uncompetitive. that's why the government is doing. >> mr. speaker, the problem is the minimum wage does not up to a living weekly wage. you must understand not. could i take in northeast to the

lengthy oil refinery? in 2009, hundreds of oil workers walked out on strike because agency workers from italy and portugal were brought and i'm over wages to do the same job. down the road in boston, the average rate across all countries 33. jimmie smith unfitted 26. in boston at nine pounds 13. if they intervene to staff up for those communities that feel they've been left behind. >> we have intervened with all kinds of companies that don't pay the minimum wage. we've intervene for the first time something they've are never dead of naming the come in a symbolic. those interventions helping make a difference. the economy growing and encouraging investment. what we want our industries of

the future. record numbers are at work a 2.5 million more people have a job since i became prime minister in the british economy is the strongest in the g7. >> mr. speaker, this speaker, the government promised to rebalance our economy. half of 1% are infrastructure investments is going to the northeast. london is getting 44 times more than that. does he not think it is time to have a real rebalancing of our economy and invest in those areas losing out so badly? >> i think he is talking on the performance of the parts of our economy doing well. if you look at the fastest-growing part of our economy, it is the southeast. if you want to see where x births are growing faster, and it is north london. there's a huge amount of work to do to make sure we heal the north-south divide and for the

first time a proper strategy of investing in infrastructure and training and skills that make a difference four years regional policy was trying to distribute a few government jobs outside london. now with god skills, training, growth and delivery. >> jeremy corbin. he met the idea to redistribution is interesting. the investment in london is more than a total of every other english region combined. does he not think this issue should be addressed? in march, the government investment was cut in order to meet fiscal rules. how does the prime minister think the economy can be rebalanced them with little investment remains reinforces the regional imbalances in this country? >> first of all, again talking down the questions the unemployment rate in the northwest is lower than the unemployment rate in london.

his figures are wrong. in terms of investment, yes of course we need to have the government investment family cottage in hs two, the railways. the biggest program since it during times. you can only invest if you have a strong rowing economy. we know what papers recipe is. mark byron, more spending, more dead. that's when investment collapses. >> jeremy corbin. >> mr. speaker, the chance that finally did this week but he has to do in statement and what i asked the prime minister to do last week. a key part of the fiscal role. we now know the deficit was supposed and managed by 2015 was an even begun by 2020. isn't it time to admit that austerity is the failure and the way forward is to invest in infrastructure, invest in growth and invest in jobs?

>> that's simply not the case. the rules had flexibilities. but the point i would make. i would take his advice were seriously if i could think of a single spending reduction that he had deported at any time in the last six years. the fact is this government had to take difficult decisions together deficit under control from 11% of gdp we inherited, biggest almost an entire world to under 3% this year because of difficult decisions. if he could tell that one of those decisions he supported i'd be interested to hear it. >> jeremy corbin. >> speaker, obviously spreading on its own benches. the business secretary has seen the like. they now agree with my honorable friend, the shadow chancellor, and the massive investment program we've been advocating. is it time we think the member

for the education work he's been doing in this house? will he now confirm the chancellor's fiscal rule instead and invest in the northeast, all those places that feel with good reason they've been left behind in the investment is going to the wrong places and they end up with new jobs come of low wages and insecure employment. >> prime minister. >> we wouldn't see 2.5 million more people in work and we wouldn't see full unemployment and rising employment and every single region in our country. the only area where i think the right honorable gentleman has been a massive contribution as in recent weeks he's come up with the biggest job creation scheme i've ever seen in my life. almost everyone on the bench behind and has had an opportunity to serve on the front edge. [cheers and applause] rather like the old job creation schemes, it's been a bit of a revolving door.

they get a job sometimes for only a few hours and then they go back to their benches. it's a job creation scheme nonetheless and we should thank them for that. thank you, mr. speaker. on the days when significant questions have been leveled with collect the decision-making of politicians, military leaders and intelligence services, many constituents will be seeking reassurance that the lives of their loved ones were not given in vain and the mistakes made will never happen again. can i ask the prime minister, will he ensure the lessons learned will be fully examined and acted upon so there can never be a repeat of the tragic mistakes made over a decade ago. >> i can certainly give that assurance. we will have plenty of time this afternoon to discuss the report

explaining why the spam. he can really learn the lessons for the future. we want to spend time looking at decisions going to war and all the rest of it. the most important thing for all of us is to think i would make sure government works better, legal advice is considered better. all of those things are perhaps the best legacy we can take from this whole thing. >> today is hugely important for muslims at home and abroad at the end of ramadan. i'm sure we wish them all. today is also a day where our thoughts are with all the loved ones who lost people close to them in iraq and all those hundreds of thousands of families in iraq who also mourned loved ones. the report confirms on the

28th of july 2002, tony blair wrote to president bush stating i will be with you forever. does the prime minister understand what the families of the dead and injured u.k. service for now and the hundreds of thousands of iraqis feel that they were deceived about the reasons for going to war in iraq? >> lit major in the right honorable gentleman in this country and all over the world the end of ramadan. in terms of the report be discussed in detail later. i don't want to preempt other things that were going to say in a statement. clearly we need to learn the lessons of the report, study it carefully. millions of words, thousands of pages and i think we should save our remarks when we debated in the house. >> mr. speaker, the report capitalizes the failures in planning for post-conflict iraq and concludes that in the u.k.

did not achieve its objective. a lack of planning has also been evident in relation to afghanistan, to libya, syria and most recently with no plan what the weather for a brexit. when will the u.k. government start learning from the mistakes of the past that we are not condemned to repeat them in the future? >> he's actually right about the failure to plan is very, very clear. i can read from his statement. when the invasion began in the u.k. policy rested on an assumption that there be a well executed u.s.-led operation in a relatively benign charity environment. the difficulties encountered in iraq could not have been known in advance. he says we do not agree that hindsight is required. he's very clear on that point. but i would say in terms of

planning is what i put in place as prime minister following would happen in iraq properly advised, properly constituted meeting and the national security secretariat, all those things including the proper listening to expert advice of the national security council. all those things are designed to avoid the problems that the government had been the case of iraq. the only point i would make is there is actually no set of arrangements and plans that can provide perfection in any of these cases. military intervention we can argue that there is ever justified. i believe it is. it's always difficult planing for the intervention. i don't think in this house we should be naïve in anyway that there is a perfect set of plan or arrangement that can solve these problems in perpetuity. there aren't. >> would my right honorable friend join me in congratulating

southend council, which is once again under the control of the conservative party, swiftly acting to sort out the mass left by the previous hopeless administration and would he agree with me that the alternative city of culture next year will produce a considerable boost to the local economy. >> let me pay tribute to my honorable friend for as long in a matter that all it has to offer next year will benefit from the campaign he has run into will join him in encouraging old to see it for themselves. >> two miles north of shag rug already mentioned today is that town called bowls over and they heard the same time they say

300 million pounds for the nhs. at that time and they decided this government but the health of the local theater to close the hospital. you to understand that when the house was close, it's gone forever. i want to hear to use a little bit of that money. not very much to save the hospital, save the feds come as a big jobs and then i'd have a headline, say in the prime minister save the hospital. >> i would look very carefully.

i don't have the information. look at it very carefully. but i would say is we are putting 19 billion pounds extra into the nhs in this parliament as for what was on the side of buses and all the rest of it, my argument has been and will always be a strong economy you're required to fund the nhs. do not [inaudible] my right honorable friend agree with me that the apprenticeships are absolutely vital part of economic development in our proud northern town? >> my right honorable friend is right. the service at the target in this parliament. a ball just as we achieve those trained in the last parliament. i wish her well with what i hope is the first of many americans that she was v. thank you, mr. speaker. before i ask my question, can i

think the prime minister for the support he gave my campaign about the schedule inquiry which is given to the 70s with thousands and thousands of deformities. i like thank you for the support of that campaign. my question is our universities and global success stories outward looking, open for business with the world and attracting the brightest and the best students and researchers to produce groundbreaking research. and the less you commend u.k. -- >> a native single sentence question. forgive me. the >> university received 836 million pounds last year. what assurances can the prime minister gave that in light of the fact we are not of the european union and the money will be saved? >> let me do the honorable lady

because she has raised this case many times and i can tell medicine and health care has been gathering evidence for a review by an expert working group on many things that i've met on three occasions. i think we are making progress. until britain leads the european union, we get a residence in other programs as you'd expect and all contracts have to be fulfilled. it will be for a future government to make sure we continue to fund our universities way to make sure they continue to live a world. thank you, mr. speaker. my right honorable friend will know the closure but the loss of over 100 jobs has raised the need for major regeneration across. but my honorable friend outline the support made by the government to ensure plants can be taken forward?

>> first of all, it's worth making the point is a very sad moment for the staff who have worked so long for the business. for them the ascent in the high street ran. there's a job come the way of life companies are preparing for retirement pension and we must do all we can to help find a new word. many vacancies in the retail side to her to make sure they help get those jobs if with 18 million pounds for a number of initiatives in which he says that because keeping a town center vibrant is vital. this sits alongside the biggest cut in history with some 6.7 billion pounds in the next five years. we need to say to make the most of the business rate cut. >> mr. speaker, one of my constituents who have been watching for some time with the assessment after the involvement of my office, they sent the

vulnerable constituents still remains assessing the rate to find the situation in the regulation -- [inaudible] >> i congratulate the right old lady. many of us have done the right thing with constituency that assessment but haven't turned out to be a great. if she gives me the details, i will look at this specific case and see what can be done. >> a report from the north created by this government highlights the opportunity to halt the growing divide between north and south with 850,000 new jobs and 97 billion pounds of economic growth at 2015. does my right honorable friend agree that to build on our economic press. we need to continue to rebound timber structures running from london to the region, particularly the north is tingling.

>> i think i honorable friend is right. what that report shows is that it doesn't take necessary actions to see a continued north-south divide and we are committed for increased spending by 50% by 61 billion pounds in this parliament. my right honorable friend was spending 380 million pounds. >> prime minister -- [inaudible] he was kidnapped while traveling and ethiopian. he was sentenced to death. and not able to present any defense whatsoever. given its been denied access to life in children and to year to no legal representation and suggested is fatal.

in your final weeks in office, the family demand immediate release and bring him home to be reunited with his wife and children. >> what i can reassure the right gentleman about his very close interest in the case. the foreign secretary was in ethiopia recently. our council has enabled to meet on a number of occasions and we are working with him and with the government to get this resolved. >> one of the report ticket so much attention as the cdc report, which confirms that the emergency is inadequate. why has it taken so many years to know they care for too long, too few.yours, too few consultants. we now have in place to buy plants for the right number of.yours and consultant to ensure constituents get the care they deserve.

>> my right honorable friend raised an important point that i do think the ctc is acting effectively getting into hospitals, finding that practice, reporting swiftly. we haven't announced the fact that as we should be. the practice is unacceptable. it's a change in government that we've been the ones that are set up the role to have a zero-tolerance approach to to make sure things are put right. thank you, mr. speaker. the business innovations hills once the u.k. to buy or tens of billions of pounds to create a great britain found worth up to 100 billion. can i ask the pm whether this is a formal plan or merely an attempt to conjure a plan amid the u.k. government?

>> we're spending billions of pounds on the british economy and investment have that dish automatically upon classes for scotland. clearly, my colleagues are in a leadership election and non-side of the house rather than unity. the never-ending -- [cheers and applause] i thought you wanted one. you don't want one? hands up who wants the leadership election. i'm so confused. one minute it is like the ego is going to swoop and the next minute at the top of the ski job. in case you hadn't noticed, we are having a leadership election. >> right from the start, the united kingdom has been an outward looking trading union. the trade your --

>> the honorable gentleman is entitled to be heard and his constituents are represented. thank you, mr. speaker. and talking up the prospects for investment in the british economy. but can the prime minister said to make sure we attract as much trade and investment in possible? >> my honorable friend makes an important point and a clear instruction has done around the world, to the u.k. ministers are clear about this debris should be doing all we can to engage as hard as we can to the investment we want to see in the u.k. businesses clear whether they agree or disagree with the decision the countries made, they've got to go want and make the most of the opportunities we have had thank you, mr. speaker. but the real prospects on the horizon, the author from the

chance to his cunning classes, yet companies worry whether they will make a profit in the u.k., not how much tax they will pay on it. can the prime minister tell us what immediate action to government would take to protect people's jobs and likelihood right now? >> immediate action has been taken not least to encourage lending by changing the reserve asset ratios they insist on good that is very important because that's a short-term measure that can house the early effects. but the chancellor was talking about is we are now in this new situation to make sure we can figure all of our policies to take it damage of the situation we will be a period that will mean changes to taxes, changes to the way the focus for the foreign office and business department. all the things we can make a start on irrespective of the fact she and i were on the same side as the referendum campaign.

>> my honorable friend with the question, may i remind the prime minister that next-line the greatest airshow of the world takes place in my constituency to which all right honorable members are expected to attend. may i remind my right honorable friend that last time, two years ago, deals worth $201 billion were signed. he will encourage our members to attend. >> i think i'm one of the first prime ministers in a while and i'm happy to announce i will be going back this year. we have the second-largest heiress a sinister in the world and it is a brilliant moment to showcase the industry to the rest of the world and clinched an important export deals in the military and civilian spaces.

i would do everything i can in this job or future to support british industry in that way. thank you, mr. speaker. the u.n. committee on economic social and cultural rate expressing concerns that the government welfare cut, how much more international condemnation will it take for the prime minister discusses that? >> we've seen under this government many more people at work, many more household -- very few households where no one works and fewer households where there are children. all of those have been a huge success. of course she has the opportunity now we've made some huge devolution proposals including the area of welfare if you don't think what we do on a u.k. basis. i don't know why you are all

shouting. speed that thank you, mr. speaker. john chilcott is he on the people who come out of the 2003 invasion of iraq our servicemen and civilians. will the prime minister is look at how he can make sure that the transparency of scrutiny ahead of military action become the norm for his successor. >> i think we've now got a set of arrangement and also a set of conventions that put the country in a stronger position. it is now a clear convention that we have a vote in this house, which we did before premeditated action. it's awesome word we have a national vote, legal advice, providing the house of commons as we did in the case of libya and iraq. these things are growing to be a set of conventions that will work for her country.

let me repeat again even the last in the world doesn't mean you're always going to be confronted by easy decision around the don't have very difficult consequence is. thank you, mr. speaker. the dirt of my constituent polling but do not contract tb bola and 20 for teen. he had 200 other have not received an equivalent of 4000 pounds awarded to 250 public health english status. but the prime minister agreed to meet with me to discuss how i can write via the city? >> one of the greatest people i've ever met and it's a great privilege to have her come to number 10 downing street.

i'm proud of the fact she and many others have received the medals were working in sierra leone, which is sent in britain should be incredibly proud of. we help you with ebola and it is now a bola three. look specifically into the issue and i will get back to her about it. >> we will leave the british house of commons as members moved to other business. you've been watching the question time and i've 7:00 a.m. eastern parliament is in session.

>> conservatives discuss use on the criminal justice system at an event on capitol hill yesterday. we will hear from americans grover norquist and representatives of the texas public policy foundation.

the group write on crime posted this 90 minute discussion. >> good afternoon. thank you all for joining us, especially after a long holiday weekend. my name is joe luppino-esposito, policy analyst for a ride on crime at the policy foundation. we are a piii at nonprofit, nonpartisan research institute a mission to promote, defend liberty commerce one's ability and free enterprise in texas and the nation by educating policymakers of the text texas public policy debate. right on crime as they want outsource for criminal justice. our work revolves around three key principles. fighting crime, supporting the dems and protecting taxpayers. we had dozens of conservative leaders, former governors, legislators, members of one for mac, commentators and other policymakers to sign on to a man

of principles. right on crime as a national project active in over 40 states and the federal level hoping to and from legislators and governors on the successive refund of the public safety first. why is that the texas conservative think tank and criminal just as reform? those of you who work in the space are well aware the model for criminal justice reform is one that continues to be replicated throughout the nation particularly in conservative states. as marc levin will explain, the model is successful because the focus has not been a social engineering or an exercise of government flexing muscles to prosecute and put away as many people as possible. instead, it's focused on tweaking the system to fight crime, protect public safety and as a result we wind up saving taxpayer dollars. why do hope you take away from our presentation is the knowledge that criminal justice reform as a policy matter sworn by conservatives.

applying principles to deal with the reality of how crime effects all americans and their communities. we will have a slight change to our program today. marc levin will speak first policy director for right on crime and center for corrective justice. mark has been before the refund began in 2007. mark's work has been featured by just about anyone who has wanted to change the system and for good reason. leadership in research has prepared the right on crime efforts into a national project for successful reform. marcus testified before dozens of state legislators. might recognize him to do the same. mark is going to share more policy details explaining how and why these reforms work. >> ring so much, joe. we changed up as i know most of you are here to see grover so we didn't want you to leave after

his remarks. grover was asked a number of years ago to start americans for tax reform and so i wanted to begin with a quote from ronald reagan back in 1971 in california's governor. our rehabilitation policies attract nationwide attention. our prison population at any time since 1963. after that time frame, after the early 70s to the may 2000, we saw a five to six fold increase in the united states and so we went to measuring our success is though many of those years by how many people were in prison and essentially how did the corrections system was, which certainly isn't something those of us believe in small government should be proud of. so we have indeed seen the course of 5% of the world's population but 25% of the world's prison inmates had wanted. don't have a criminal record. one and 34 americans are now

under correctional control and of course there's more than 4500 criminal laws. so there is a huge cost of his peers to make financial. correction costs in this country has tripled since 1980. monomer signatories that if two thirds of the bridges we both felt down in three years to be a national scandal. that is the recidivism rate. 77% within five years. sometimes there are people that obviously need to be imprisoned. for others to get worse while they're incarcerated as they become disconnected from families unemployment. one of the problems we see is there's no accountability once they are back in society. i found it to be useful to compare the criminal justice system to a couple other systems we have. i am in health care insurance actual doctors and hospitals. the education system, both of

which have the problems. if you look for a minute at the practice of medicine, use the course of treatment is decided based on diagnosis and efficacy of various outcomes of similar patients in profile with the same illness or condition whereas the criminal justice system disposition is often based on rules created by politicians with similar offenders. similarly, the dosage of the type of treatment is adjusted based on monitoring the progress where we have truth in sentencing that preclude any changes as the years go by. in the health care system is the precautions taken to prevent relapse where the criminal justice system has collateral consequences which increase the risk of recidivism that people can't get jobs in place to live. for a second look at the education system which has its challenges, but most states have accountability systems for schools are graded. look at test scores and things

like that. some are even close to their perennially unsuccessful. as both are given more powers to renovate. in the prison system and see no data on the recidivism rate. wardens have little ability to innovate and you also see an education system. the progress is regularly assess with an instructional plan for those in the correctional system that cookie-cutter approach is. at best someone may be assessed when they come in and what they've done is not adjusted as time goes by. and the school system you have kids who drop out and go to private school or homeschooling provides a rudimentary tenet for public schools to improve. the prison system grows to the end it fails. the higher the recidivism rate the more prisons is, the more government jobs and so forth. although in the education system. students can have the valuation,

in the prison system, pretty much out of sight, out of mind and the public our customers have little in the period those are some of the challenges we see across the country. fortunately, there's a lot of good news we see across many states. we've gone from one and 100 adults in prison in the united case in 2008 to one in 104 today. dozens of state earn time another provision in 30 states have gone through the comprehensive justice reinvestment project where data is gathered in a task force commission develops consensus solutions to increase public safety and reduce recidivism. most notably, the last 15 years is down 40% across the country. one of the most significant facts as crime is declining more from 2008 to may 2013 in the series to reduce incarceration. there were 33 states where

imprisonment declined a no-space by 13% reduction in crime rates in 17 states were to increase there is 11% reduction in that's really emblematic of incarceration is something with diminishing returns has usually been more and more nonviolent and low-risk offenders. you get less public safety benefit and disintegrate counterproductive. a lot of states have scaled back like ohio. it's meant to one year prison terms not heard the incapacitating the person off the street for any real-time, but taking their job away, and these are nonviolent local drug offenses going to prison for sure sign that. let me highlight his stats at the common threads across different dates. one of the big changes in the 1960s there was a real belief in self-esteem approach is and that it's really changed what i was a bit more

accountability-based approach any cognitive behavioral therapy. you've also had technological advances in medication assisted treatment, electronic monitoring and soap words and finite actuarial risk needs assessments where you can match the right program. we've learned a lot the last few decades and that has been critical. one of the things we are able to do is make sure we have the right levels are provisioned by using risk assessment for some people can be a caseload of my intensive supervision, more reporting of 75 people. you are able to allocate resources. problem solving missing a lot of states in greece drug court, veteran scored. in general, drug courts have a 34% lower rate compared to similar offenders incarcerated. states are getting harder about making sure they don't know

hanging fruit in the course, but people would've been incarcerated rather than those succeeded on basic probation. the key with us is the judicial accountability and the judge who can marshal treatment resources around the offender. many states have not graduated sanctions to promote compliance with probation and parole. nationally, half the people are people of philip probation or parole and half of those are approximately technical violators, people that did not commit a new crime but they missed permission and so forth. in texas and minis is you can't have a glass of wine. you can't have alcohol whether you're on probation for shoplifting or anything else totally unrelated. we need to tailor them to be offenders reinstate the top these comments are a sanction, a graduated approach. if someone misses an appointment, they get a curfew.

a weekend in jail, better. don't wait till they pile up and revoke someone to prison. it is comparable to a kid touching a hot stove and you keep waiting for him to do it again and again and come down like a ton of bricks another field approached the face out his states are adopting positive incentives for people on probation to include reduced reporting and so forth and those are more effective than incentivizing positive behavior than actions. you have a few states like ohio and kansas who adapted his favorite greatest sanctions and incentives proven very successful increase in the rate people are completing supervision. earn time is a major area. according white house bill in congress that states such as georgia, texas and ohio for people and supervision or carsten rated and there's a number of empirical data is in new york, then, washington state that i found they do increase

the rate at which offenders complete programs. another strategy many states have a.did involve same-day counties if you send fewer nonviolent low-risk offenders to prison, we will give you a share of saving and plants in arizona and the juvenile system, ohio and illinois are tied to reducing recidivism of people on probation as well as increasing percentage employed in current time restitution. in arizona, this measure led to 31% fewer new crimes that people on probation and a 20% drop in revocation. another approach many states are taking is to address that one of five inmates are particularly troubling for people with mental illness on medications. hugh did a study in 2013 new jersey that found 36% high rate of new crimes that comparable offenders released without supervision with those on parole. part of the way pay for that is

by not spending as much on prisons but reinvest the money into supervision. let me turn to profiling several state have adopted these reforms over the last several years and what the results have been. we stay at texas a&m ragging if it's true. i'm inclined over texas. back in 2007, we were facing a project to increase in needing to those 17,000 prison beds and instead we adopted a justice reinvestment approach that involved $241 million for alternative programs expanded drug court, prison treatment programs, mental health and substance abuse and outpatient programs and so forth. we've actually now closed three adult prisons as many of you know. our incarceration rate since 2000 that some 14% in our crime rate is down 29.5% over that period. texas is a course -- what is

more important is you look at our rate of people committing new crimes on probation and parole has declined that actually zeros in more than looking at the crime rate declined. the caseloads are lower. his treatment that they can refer people to. he really has been very impressive. south carolina is another state that went early back in 2010 with justice reinvestment approach which includes expanded drug courts, graduated sanctions for supervision, reduced penalties on low-level possession, risk assessment to guide supervision models and reallocating prison saving. they sought a reduction in revocation. they closed 2.5% since 2010. very good results there. north carolina, neighboring south carolina has had a successful reinvestment package and 2011, which includes

sentencing for low-level drug possession, adopting graduated sanctions with reductions in crime in north carolina. church is a state gone more recently and they've expanded drug courts are 20 to 42 while creating a safety valve pit they've also addressed the reentry issued by expanding job certifications for inmates, giving drugs discussion to driver's licenses of drug offenders and pass something in say employers can't we sue. since 2011 incarceration rate is down the% and indexes falling 9.8%. more recently, utah adopted a very successful reinvestment package in 2005. a reduced low-level drug production, still jail time at the county level. they formalized sanctions were probation or parole. earn time establish standards for drug treatment programs and

we invested 14 million allow drug offenders to keep drivers license if they go through these treatment programs. most recently in 2016 also adopting a package based in over 169 million prison costs over the next 10 years if they didn't do anything. they have unique challenges that people living in remote vocations that that is one of the reasons they made it into an electronic monitoring part of the plan as well as the most minor misdemeanors. a address pretrial issues filling up their jails by saying people couldn't afford rail, assuming they scored well in risk assessment on pretrial supervision. they reduced low-level drug possession to a misdemeanor and we invested supervision and treatment. let me conclude by mentioning one area we haven't talked about too much, which is not one that impacts the prison population

who wears states have shown mens rea terminal in 10. in the last couple years, michigan and ohio have unanimous way through legislatures and governors passed a default mens rea provision, which says that the criminal offense does not state a culpable it can't have a recklessness would apply and in ohio if any bill is subsequently introduced, it does not go forward. it has been remarkable how bipartisan and unanimous those those hurt in ohio in 2014 in michigan 2015. in taxes in 2015 we adopted two more objectively reasonable interpretations of a statute, then the benefit of the doubt goes to the defendant. this is another protection which ohio and florida have had for many years. the reason for the rule as all

of this obscure criminal offenses. outside the penal code including 11 felonies related to harvesting oysters. i appreciate the chance to share development -- as states across the country are taking up the and do it in a way that is sustainable because it addresses public safety and the fact that our prisons have grown out of control. thanks very much. [applause] >> thank you, mark. there's other folks in the hallway. we can't sit up here. if someone wants to grab a chair and if anyone doesn't mind letting people in the back corner we would get up before we get started. also, as the panel kicks off since we are all stuck in the back corner and want to make sure people get some of the

materials. we'll pass around the program and a few other materials including people who have signed on. >> there are five chairs here. grover is helping. come forward, please. >> you can sit behind there. just don't make weird faces. it is life. tell the members do work for that grover norquist pulled up a chair for you. >> thank you, everybody. a few brave souls.

there we go. come on down. i won't spend too much more time here. i'm going to pass around the programs and other things. i am going to pass the sauce to craig deroche for advocacy of prison fellowship is one of the organizations with the union that make up right on crime. craig has been doing a lot of good work on this. he was a michigan speaker of the house for several years and he brings his first active so we can talk about this and we will leave room for questions at the end. >> thank you, joe. i was speaker of the house, six-foot four and had a full head of hair. this is what i look like now. good to be with you all. i'm a couple of fronts as i

introduce myself and will talk to each of us in the new organizations and why we are here. first of all, thank you to joe and mark in the entire organization for the good work they do on bringing forward information so people can make informed decisions on a system that affects a lot of lies and affects the lives as significant a way as our health health carem or education system. someone's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness after all. the victims of the crime to hold off the expectations is going to play a role in restoring them in the efficacy of our effort there and affect every member of congress when they go home and they are talking to people, even if it takes a year or two off from being in the forefront of the national debate about the federal government is doing of

the dead around the 2012 election, that comes back to every newspaper every day it seems than the 6:00 and 11:00 news when members of congress go home. we all yearn for and look for solutions that work. my background is at the state level and local level. i was invited to work out prison fellowship, one of the oldest and largest criminal justice reform advocacy organization founded by a convict excel and named chuck colson who started when he left prison. he was richard nixon's political adviser. he was convicted in a watergate related investigation. i had a chance meeting after a panel of the sonnet a 2011 with grover norquist and he and others yesterday may chat. my experience serving in office is a conservative speaker of the

house, but also somebody who lived in addiction or 29 years before entering recovery but i would be able to speak into the debate. prison fellowship often hires people uses the voice of people that not only have an opinion on these matters, but criminal convictions. the addictions and other things we went through. we are not talking about those people. we are talking about ourselves. precedence values and principles debate. so it is a privilege and honor to be here, a privilege and honor to serve with so many with right on crime as a signer that i get the privilege of being as well is shot colston before he passed away. i am serving as a moderator. i've been invited to interject here or there. i will be moderating questions and my first sister go through

introductions and a standard question for why their organization is here. not just them individually, but why do these organizations care about this debate going on federally on criminal justice reform today. derek, right on crime. i know we assume people in the room know what you were here for. you are the host of the event. tell us about what right on crimes interested. >> certainly. thank you, craig. i carefully add much yarn bookmarked so eloquently said. the reason however that we made the segue into covering federal policy as well to think of it a bit as trickle of policy reform. the success we've experience not only in texas but so many other states in the union just simply -- or a pleasant taking

at the federal level. that's when we decided to make a concerted effort to get involved in the research and the topic items that you are seeing now before congress presently. with the work of joe in all the other coalition partners, some of whom are here, some of whom are not common cc that across the board not just our side of the aisle, but the other side of the aisle as well, you see this become more of an important issue. it might boil down today for reasons by the individual routes are at the table. the fact they are at the table underlines something could be accomplished. >> thanks, derek. dan snyder with the american conservative union. tell us a little bit about yourself and your background and the american can there be union in this debate. you have to push the button.

>> dan snyder, executive director for the american conservative union. we have been long supporters of criminal justice reform. rather than going through the history right now, i want to ask a question and then make an assertion or two. not everybody in this room is a conservative. i assume is that some liberals and moderates and conservatives. i hope we can all agree on the proposition that incarcerating people is a bad thing. ..