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moment for polly to because what it says, and this is another important part of the story, this notion of civil dialogue. don't we need that. the importance of being able to have difficult dialogue and maintain a relationship, whether were talking on the individual level in terms of friendship or whether were talking on a nation state level or whether were talking institutional. i begin to see this rehearsal between the two of them about how to deal with differences and in this question the differences have to do with the young radicals who were yelling human rights. one last question.
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we will hear from authors. notes from allowed woman. this is one hour. >> good afternoon. welcome everyone to the 32nd annual chicago tribune fest.yout i would like to give a special thank you to all of the sponsors.ia social media plug, the theme of this year's festival is a what's your story. we encourage everyone to share their stories that they here this weekend on twitter, instagram and facebook using # prl f-16. you can keep the spirit going year-round by downloading the
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printers row app for you will find all of the chicago tribune's book contents and discounted e-books for subscribers and the complete schedule. if you download today you get a free e-book and $5 off lit fast membership. of time at the end f merchandise rather. today's program is beingor broadcast live on c-span to book tv. we will have a little bit of time at the end for audience question erred when the time comes please line up at the microphone to your right so our home viewing audience can hear the questions that you have.urns last thing before we start, please please silence your cell phones and turn off the flash and cameras that you have. we are pleased to welcome the host and today's moderator greta johnson. [applause]thanks to all of you >> hello. f thanks to all of you for coming. i commend you for being inside
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on such a beautiful day but i kind of feel this is too hot. good for you for choosing ac. my name is greta, i'm the host of a podcast peer the idea is you are a nerd about whatever it is you're really excited about. that can be dr. who or calculus just as easily as it could be feminism. the cspan title of this discussion is discussion on women which i think is great because we are all automaticall. qualified to be on the stage regardless of whatever else we do in our lives.ol that's pretty cool. i thought we could start, each of you has a very different approach to feminism in your book. do you want to go down the line and talk a little bit about what you're working on and why? >> rebecca do you want to start? >> all start because i think my book is probably the oldest. i released a historical novel ik 2015 in hardback and the book came out in paperback this february called jam on the vine.
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it was inspired by the life of ida b wells barnett who was a suffragist.he she fought for civil rights, she had her own newspaper believed in free speech and she was probably most known for the faci that she was her own one-woman anti- lynching crusader during her lifetime. my novel is the life of a young black girl who comes to life in the jim crowe south and starts her own newspaper in the vine district of ms. kansas city missouri. i never once use the term feminism in my book however when you read about the actions of my hair when, and her partner, she launches launches the newspaper with her partner, clearly they belong to a tradition of woman is him which is an offshoot of
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feminism which seeks to uplifts not only women but black men and black children. it becomes very clear throughout their activism and the ways in which they use the newspaper for democratic rights that if they were living in today's time it would certainly identify with the term of womanist or black feminism. >> wendy. [applause] >> i wrote a memoir called shrill that came out a couple weeks ago. i guess you would say it's a very personal confessional approach, it's very vulnerable, it stories from my life about the experience of growing up as a big girl and a big woman and a world where i felt i was taught and conditioned to make myself
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small. small physically, small in my presence, small and my opinions and so the book is about growing out of that and figuring out how to live in my body and in my personality the way they are now and not try to shape and mold and shrink them to fit these externally applied expectations. i think a lot of those expectations are based in capitalism, there's a lot of people making money off the fact that we teach women that it's our job to be small and compact and trump compliant. i just discovered at some point in my mid-20s that i was living my life in the future. i didn't identify as a fat person, identified as a failed thin person who would eventually succeed and then i could have a real life.
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the book is about coming to tha moment and pushing through itea and starting to really live and starting to say this is my body, it may never change and that i have to be okay with that because that may be the truth. what other choice do i have. also, i don't think think there's anything objectively wrong with being me. that's the ark of the book. that sounded very grim, but it's also friend i'm funny and dealss with all the other stuff i harp on like abortion and rape jokes and internet trolls and all the hits. all of the fun things. [applause] >> i'm rebecca tracer and i wrote a book called all the single ladies. [applause] thank you. it's actually interesting, we do
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have three totally different genres here. my book is a nonfiction look at unmarried women and that can mean a whole bunch of different things. in my day job i'm a journalist, i write about politics and culture from a feminist perspective, i cover women in politics and i intended this book that i started five years ago to be a book of contemporary journalism about the quickly expanding population of women who are delaying or forgoing federal marriage, this is a population that has exploded over the past few decades. they are now more unmarried people in the united states thak there are married people by a hair which is unprecedented. when i started doing the research on the book and i began to look at the history, i realized there was this fascinating story, the the history of single women in the united states that leaves all
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around race and class and social movement and so the book woundtd up being a bigger project than intended so it is a miss mash of how we are living. it's also a look at the history of women living independently of this institution that is historically can find them in so many ways. what happened in the arrows wheg they did live independently of marriage. there is a thread of my own story in there too but it's a pretty minor threat. >> that's a good thread. [applause] >> i have to say i'm superal excited to talk to you about all of the things, i don't even know where to start. i definitely want to talk to about hillary because it was a really big week for hillary and i feel like all of you will have really great insight about that,
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especially rebecca having written big girls don't cry. i thought it would start with asking you how your relationship with feminism have changed over your lives. partly i ask because i wouldn't call myself a feminist even five years ago. >> neither what i. >> a really, that makes me feel so much better. for me i thought calling my cell feminist admitted there was an and imbalance that i just refused to acknowledge. it's funny looking back because i think that comes from such a place of privilege in terms of the fact that i had lived through my mid-20s and felt like for the most part i did have the same opportunities that men did and i was treated fairly so what's the big difference, heree i am, deal with it which i don't know if that's reasonable to call post- feminism, i don'tor
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think so really because here we all are still needing to have these conversations. i'm curious were you raised in feminist households, what was that like for each of you? >> i want to hear about anothery reticent feminist. >> i'm still reticent. >> it's a term i go back and forth worth. i want to say primarily it's because i studied history as an undergrad, i studied it as a graduate student and i would always consider historicallyen t what women did during the first wave of feminism or what women who did not even identify as feminist but when we look back at their life's work we would contextualize it as feminist work. i would look for contemporary analogies when i didn't find them so that made me feel like well, there's not much of a movement going on now.w. even today i struggle, when i'm on the internet and looking at
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feminist conferences, i have a problem with a lot of what i see. for example, i won't put anybody on blast but i was looking at a conference, to two conferences, one that occurred in australia and one in india. the footage i saw of the conference that occurred in australia, for example did not address the fact that there are very many white australian men who once they have had too much to drink think it's fun to jump in their pickup truck with thei rifle and hunt aborigine women. there was no dialogue about this we were exporting feminism and going into land and having a me me me approach when i feel there is room, you can be about
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yourself and i'm not buying to say about writing is a form of activism but i do think we have a responsibility because we have exported feminism to take on or at least address and give voice to some of the struggles that are happening with women globally. my same feeling applies to the conference that i research that was going on in india where there's a big movement which is stop that be called ring the bell. if you hear an indian woman getting beaten by her husband,ma the idea if you knock on the door or ring the bell you will temporarily stop that beating. maybe you'll stop it tonight. we don't hear american feminists when they are india speaking at these conferences evenic addressing the issue of domestic violence. that would be a big problem that i am having now. it seems to me that feminist is announced and feminism is the
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verb, the aspect of the real movement is largely missing and i take issue with that. i really do. i think if you want to use the term as an adjective and a noun that's fine but please my voice is falling on your ears and you love to trot out that term, ask yourself what exactly are youha? doing the side saying i'm a feminist and i want what he has. it has to be bigger than that. [applause] >> oh, am i next? i totally agree. i try really hard to think of >> i totally agree. i try really hard to think of feminism as something that i do, not a as something that i am or that you can just earn thenc status and you gain a bunch of credit.circles. still stigmatized and horrible
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and you're treated horribly in certain circles if you say feminist. i'd you feel there are huge gaps even in people's global understanding of what women are facing in other places. it's really easy, mean of course, i just wrote 300 pages about my feelings so i am very conscious of those and i worry about it a lot.t finish it's it's a struggle. i think it's important, i try t not just write about my feelings but to make sure i am aware of my place in the world and at the same time, i think that narrative is really powerful and of course there are, not that i
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want to choose between campus rape and honor killings. i feel like it's important to address all of those things. it's also important for me to stay in my lane and not speak in a condescending way to women in other cultures who have lived experiences i don't understand.. it perfect you said it perfectly that it's an action. also, in terms terms of my own feminist journey, i was taught in college that feminist means, because, okay, okay, so my freshman year of college i went into it definitely buying into the stigma that it was not cool and boys will not like you if you are a feminist because
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feminists are annoying wet blanket to ruin everything. i was like well i don't want to be that. even though i grew up in a supe- progressive household. i do my mom said the word feminist but she certainly fit the mold. freshman year i had a professor who was like okay raise your hand if you're feminist and like one girl who was really cool ann had a nose ring raise their hand and all the rest of us were like [l , and then he went around shaming each of us individuallyu and saying so you don't believe that you deserve equal rights and were like yeah, no, i do, it's just like, no one's going to ask me on a date, date, so
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i'm kind of like already got some strikes against me, but anyway. i was taught in that class that feminism means that you believe women deserve equal rights and currently the world is not a safe and just place for women. i sort of move forward with those two things. do i believe those two things? yes. since then my understand and has broadened to understand thereen are a lot of women of color who don't identify as feminist. there a lot of trans women who don't identify as feminist and it's important to understand that too. i liked it. without too much flip-flopping. >> and why like that. >> can i just add something. >> absolutely. >> i got rid of my television takes seven years ago so most the time i just stream everything. but i'm watching more television
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lately. meredith was on this past week and in sort of layman's term for feminism was given and a woman who wants to be equal to a man. that gets turned on its head when you are a black woman. what does that mean? h you do have to add race. there is a very different picture when you do that. when i consider conversations that i had with blackmail colleagues in the academy, alpine came in at a higher salary than they did. when i consider that african-american men, the degree to which they are hunted by the police and the massin incarceration, from where i'm sitting i fare better than black men. that concept of wanting to be equal to the men in my community, it looks very
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different. and so, even the layman's definition of wanting to be equal to a man, that needs to b. exploded and expanded upon because it's different taste on your class and your race and that definition fails us. >> to think about it like that? you think i want to be equal to men but mark. >> i feel like i don't think about men at all. i was just curious about how the rest of you. >> no i think this is about a global takeover. >> no i don't think about it like that at all. i do think it's commonly received.at are generated the generation, the definitions that are generated from the academy, they're far more nuanced, i was just reading the fantastic book called shadowboxing. it's a fantastic analysis, it's about black feminism because you
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mentioned capitalism and it got me very excited about reading your book because i know i get a lot from it. we are all out war with capitalism.. yes we are. the terms you encounter and the academic approaches to feminism are more nuanced. they're more rigorous than what you would hear on a talk show. the layman's term. >> you guys said so much about it that i want to engage. >> where you want to take it. >> briefly in terms of my own background, in terms in terms of feminism, i am totally ambulance on the term. it's useful. : idea to abandon it for a lot of reasons, in part because it's come under very valid critiques, right? both the term and the way that we've historically cast and portrayed the movement. it's also come under so much
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attack from the right and from those who are very threatened by gender equality, and there's vast periods of our recent history in which it's been just used to suggest all kinds of ugly things about women and perhaps we could, you know, start from scratch. i don't have any particular attachment to the term. i do use it not with any. i just don't feel -- i think it is a term that is very contested for all kinds of really good reasons. but that's sort of how i feel about feminism itself, the women's movement or a series of movements over the course of history that have worked from all kinds of angles towards what i think of as the larger role
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which is increasing opportunity for more kinds of people. and addressing injustice and bias based on all kinds of overlapping and intersecting identity. now we understand why we have the word feminism because it's harder to put that on a bumper sticker but this is the way that i feel about whatever feminism, the women's movement is that it has always been right for the contradiction. it's kind of an antifeminist trope to suggest that it's ever been unified in some way. it has since meaning half the population have agitated increased opportunity and greater access to the rights and justice.
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because they are half the population and contain multitudes of competing priorities and experiences there is never going to be one movement that servicewomen, and so from the beginning of thevem women's movement there have been sites one of them we got in the primary election and feminism is exploding. by the way this is the conflict that tells you that the movement is healthy and continues to fight battles. there is no unified so because
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oof this fighting and arguing about what we should be dealing with that is very healthy as it has always been and is alwayschc shifting with changing circumstances and challenges. so that's my take on that stuff and my own history i was raised in a progressive household. my mother came of age just before the women's movement andv she had been raised very conservative and her political awakening had come with a the movement and she lived a feminist life and bought an advanced degree and was the chief earner in our household. but she hadn't been brought to life by feminism in any way. i didn't hear a lot about it
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from her. my father, also a very progressive had sort of been energized by the civil rights w movement and woul would have saf course he was a feminist and believes in the equal opportunities and married to a woman he believes fervently in the intellectual economy but he never washed a dish and they had a relationship that was domestically and still is very traditional.d i was interested in the march for women's lives and about period i was coming of age on feminism i don't know how many remember this but i went to
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school at northwestern which wasn't a hotbed of feminism in the '90s let me tell you that. and we could basically go and be like who is a feminist, no one we know.w. [laughter] i was interested in literature from the feminist perspective in the power. i do know i wanted to be a journalist or what i wanted to do but to find a professional outlet for my interest is power dynamics. i never imagined a world in which there would be a professional outlet for that. i wrote about the movie businese when i was in my early 20s and took a job giving freedom to write about things that interest
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me. it's sprouting out of the 2004 election and i began to write journalism from a feministin perspective and that's -- mostly been about learning in the history. as i said as a student, i was looking at literature from the perspective that i didn't take any wo any women's history classes. it's been a process of teachingt myself about the history of all of this stuff. i've been wrong so many times about it which is great because i've had to learn more about it. >> i want to add when you put a positive spin on this while i like to see more action in the
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feminist movement, i was thinking today when i was watching the news and saw the back page of the stanford daily and the massive amount of signatures they were able to galvanize. it occurred to me this probablyi wouldn't have happened without feminism. so the positive spin is that we. are seen in seeing in a differ. so i don't want to come down that anti-feminism hasn't been in love of god. i just want more. i just want to say the sentence that the judge handed down absolutely was ludicrous. [applause][applause] and the fact that joe biden and all of these people are vocal about it is a wonderful thing
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and i think feminism has played a part of this the same way feminism plays a part in female teachers. those give me longer sentences. let's stop calling it teachers having sex with their students and let's start calling it molestation and rape, what it is. for the culture is moving forward and feminism has played a major role. >> that's what makes me even when i'm critical of the aspects there is, at this point i couldn't imagine having a career in feminism and now there is a reasonable critique of the celebrity feminism culture and a lot of the critiques tha critiqu
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read is totally valid, empty calorie feminism. however, i would agree i think compared to the deep freeze that i grew up in, i will take the empty calorie feminism if it also produces a population of young women and men who are able to look at the world with a lens and interest in gender and pow power. one of the things i've been thinking about, it is too short. one of the things i wish there was more of his other sentences are too long. the excess it's the excess of sentences that we are handing down to two african men in particular about
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as long as we have this instance that has rightfully garner our attention, and it's very fair to say that yes it is too short. it also might be an opportunity to look at the excessive length of sentences be handed down to the people and that is part of feminism. [applause]we label a >> who we label a rapist and someone who made a mistake it's easy for people to call a black man a rapist, and then it's like he's a kid that is a good swimmer and got drunk. going back to the work that people do i know it seems to kn, involve people communicating on the internet about this issue. i don't think it is wholly without value. for example, in my community this week in seattle, we discovered that a person who was
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a fixture in the community who was personally known for a decade allegedly was exploiting the gray area and was preying om young women, and people had known about this for a long ti time. no one believed one woman, and it took until right now when these women finally found each other because finally bill cosby is going to trial and finally we have just a little more cultural dialogue about what great themes and how we talk about it that i just watched this happen in real i wa time. i watched these women to be had all been whispering about it and try to figure out what to do. i watched them find each other
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and i watched other women circle around them and demanded that they be heard at the part of the internet and our current moment. that act >> something similar to that happened in chicago. in the stanford case i think to your point that wouldn't have happened without feminism i don't know also it would havet happened without the internet. it's about the expansion of
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feminism as a profession that in letter. because again now there is a a and profession. but now because of technology in the internet that is a big profession of the feminist journalism profession you now have publications that employee reporters to report things like this. ask buzz feed they have reported incredible pieces about sexual assault and have earned the trust of people like the woman who published the letter about the case to publish so it's these are the advantages and disadvantages of having aned, fr expanded feminism current status on popularity.
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every time i di dig about the wn that have to contend with these. you do have a voice and you should be celebrating the control. to try no one tries to silence you unless you are being heard and are threatening. so it's great. [laughter]f just one day what if just one day a week you were not allowed to use the internet. [laughter] >> which day would be?
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[laughter]o sometimes. what you start telling the trolls to go outside? [laughter] >> i can't even imagine what that would look like. although going back to what feminism means to us, there are women who call themselves feminists that i find repulsive and t say the most horrible this to me and spend their time trying harassing me and others. you are thinking that we should abolish it or retire if i know you didn't call for that aggressively. but i had a beard if any -- i
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had a weird epiphany. especially to the degree that it's used against me to one placlump youin with women whoseo not agree with and findin dangerous and also just to sort of discredit us all at once. >> whatever you would call thatt you would still get people -- cynic i don't think we should get rid of it because it isn't a better solution but i haven't thought about my dissatisfaction in the way that it used before. so thank you. >> i think there's a lot of power in the fact that we have feminism. i think that that gives a loss fodd for building even bigger conversations.li like you said, from day number one it's been contentious. there is a great book i was
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talking about. this is booktv so i feel like i can name drop. years ago they published a book called the ground of modern feminism and it's really a wonderful book and the beginning of what we would call feminism dealing with women's suffrage and i remember reading my butt off reading the first couple chapters because the author had done the primary source of research into there were notes from meetings where analysts and a susan b. anthony and lucy they were at each other's throats. when we think about the fight for the women's vote we seem to sort of romanticized it in this movement. she had five or six children and people were saying you can't be the face of the movement because
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you are getting pregnant every year. [laughter] it was off the chain as we would say that. it's always been that way. >> when i was doing my research first of all it's incredibly important how many you read now there's all kinds of political rhetoric about the women voters and all they want is the government to pay for their birth control. there's the benefits of early a marriage versus lease marriage t and these are a contemporary phenomena but in fact you see the same arguments laid out many times. one of my favorite, this i favoa tiny passing anecdote from the autobiography she got married later and she had been an activist working closely with
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susan b. anthony and she wasgrey anti-marriage who had a million children and in fact at one point when she hadn't heard from susan b. anthony for a while she wrote a note that said where are you coming dead or married. [laughter]susan, so susan b. but so i eddie b. wells gets married slightly later. susan b. anthony was so taste that she had gotten married but she would refer to her asarnett. mrs. barnett. it's about class and inclusion into socialism.
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they work very closely with those that have been pacifists you saw some of the feminists. there's former allies thatwo thought they were becoming warmongers. the fights that we have right now you would find direct echoes a variety of era. >> i'm out of my depth with people that know things. [laughter] you' wrote a throwaway essay about when you are a daily
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blogger you have to skim the studies and then regurgitate and say something funny at the end. it was a study about women that take their husband's last names versus women that don't. but i wrote a paragraph about my own experience from where i didn't take my husband's name but i have a visceral attraction to the idea of. it's not a husband wouldn't let me take his name, because he has a lot of -- he is black and has a lot of feelings about ownership and ownership of people and the implications ofsm
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that and he doesn't want to send a message to people that he pressured me to be his possession. he is really intense high-minded ideas about this and of course i would never be like no so i wrote this little thing and then in the comments people are like that isn't very feminist if your husband won't let you do something. and then it was an endless argument about how it wasn't feminist for me to want to or not feminist of him for me toth want to. then it gets picked up by antifeminist blogs where they are like this disproves feminism. and i just remember thinking like me having that little conflict in this urge that is at odds with ms. politics, i love that about feminism and trying to figure them out and that is
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that there is this endless sort of spectra nuance that we are modern enough and engaged enough to take on and try to figure out anand talk to each other and lok insidee of ourselves. a as the the idea as the other panelists have said is a strength of so and very appealing. i've also been thinking about italiflately the feminist insigs right now is the inclusion of trans women.
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a lot of feminists say no we cannot allow them to be women because womanhood is a static thing. i've been on this book tour anda i was at the library. this isn't insurmountable and you can't get your head around this thing. don't you think that it's grappling with its? >> i don't feel like there's an engagement on the exclusionary th
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side. there were a lot of iterations about that, so i'm not disagreeing with you but i do feel like even sort of some ofee the intransigent this is the line that's also been a part. >> how can you look at all of this and then look at your own intransigence and not clearly see that you are choosing the wrong side of history. there's an upcoming episode of the podcast. check it out. one thing that is fun is if you can rip van winkle yourself to
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january and skip this entireter] process you absolutely wanted, and i am curious if you agree with that and if you also would just skip ahead to january of 2017 if you had a magical powers to do so. >> absolutely with a dirty martini in hand. [laughter][laughter] i think that we are going to be pretty to a lot of back and forth and it's just not good for the younger generation or us. there will be name calling and g war waging on my television fors the next several months. be if there were real discussions about these issues i would be all for that, but i adore
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warren elizabeth warren. so many people on twitter and facebook were so happy that she got donald trump told and a tiny part of me was happy but i'm also thinking to myself the genius woman i would much rather hurt use her voice in otherand ways. there's going to be so much mor? of that. in pure practical terms with fear of what we are going to hear and how terrifying it is going to be i also think that we are -- it's being affordably express, but we are in a really important moment. it is a moment that is certainll
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not just about hillary clinton. i have a particular passion for this kind of stuff even though i know how limited it is as far as its symbolic value. the democratic party nominee di, last time has been now nominated first woman to be nominated for president.are going to b there is -- there will be a lot of people behaving cheaply. but it's also i feel that there is a kind of. i think that it's one of those times where the individual symbolic figures that are so insufficient in terms of whoin they represent our standing in for much bigger national battleg we are having about are we going to be one kind of country to move towards greater inclusion as we always have or do we not want to move forward, do we want to move back and it is obvious.
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to say something really positive which i didn't think i was going to my first book was about michelle obama and sarah palen in the 2008 election. i am an imbecile and hillary person that wrote for the new york magazine i have a lot of feelings about hillary but among them was my relative assured us that when it came time to pick it out of the primary and towards the general, hillary clinton would be one of the things i've been ambivalent about its move to the center which is traditionally what the candidates do when they come out of the center. i have seen hillary clinton dofr this. the first speech she gave was one that she gave yesterday.
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she gave it to planned parenthood, which in itself is tremendous because i've been a member of the democratic party for as long as i could vote and i've watched my politicians including some that i admired very much not to sa say the word abortion inn any context. i've seen them including hillary clinton herself and others run away and talk about how it's a affected the tragic choice and how i've seen the parties strategize around reproductive rights to get other broad progressive legislation through. so the idea that moving into the general election candidacy will be planned parenthood. everybody should read that speech or watch it because not only is it a speech at planned parenthood when she uses theshee word abortion many times, she
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talks about the connection about controlling the reproduction and how. it's to too paid leave and subsidized healthcare. and then so she's laying out what is essentially a reproductive justice platform and then she thinks the advocates and acknowledges thata she's not the person that came up with this idea which isn't something that i would always expect of hillary clinton. and that speech was the best speech by the mainstream politician, not an activist or this is one of the finest speeches by the democratic politician let alone one that is running in the election for the presidency that i've ever seen making it clear how the women's ability to control their bodies into the production is key to their economic, social, familial
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professional freedoms and opportunities. and i -- it was something that cheered me up and i thought wha is this even going to look the way that i assumed it was going to book which is a depressing thing that we didn't want to get to until w it until we were in y and hopefully i guess i do want to stay awake. >> that is a nice optimistic note. [applause] i like it.y name i questions? >> some years ago i commented how i like the pictures because they were more revealing. the picture was in the paper and i never had a chance to thank him. interestingly there is a picture from years ago and there is a thing of beauty that's importa
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important. i thought the movie 50 shades of gray was important and meaningful. someday i might explain it but why is it that i can see a dominatrix if i want to in every major city in society but not a sure bet this is not dying a virgin. [inaudible] birth control with healthcare. my question is how do you feel? >> i think we will take another question. >> i have a question about me. i'm the lead organizer for chicago and my question is mainly to love shonda.
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i have a lot of internalized war that i'm fighting so my question is how do you promote the obvious elevation of black men and latino men that are suffering at the hands of capitalism but at the same time make sure that the voices and women of color and members with disabilities who are one man or e-mail representatives are also not silenced. how do you balance that out. it's exactly that.
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we can look at something as wonderful and entertaining and when people talk about it they are always hauling out the masters of the instruments.houso it's domestic labor, the word has historically and traditionally been diminished and minimized the. we have to continue to fight to make sure that we can address the needs of women. it's got to be a holistic conversation with.
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they have a third world ofputtit feminist but have really wonderful insights to expand the conversation. >> i wonder if the other panelists can chime in ifter] possible. how do we make sure that our voices are not silenced and also make sure that the need of male ma representing folks get heard and also get what they need? >> i don't know, what do youdo o think? >> i do have a concrete responst to that

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