tv Combating Violent Extremism Part 3 CSPAN August 16, 2017 10:31am-11:53am EDT
>> it is very hard to break through to the main stream media. we just had this big story on cnn with cameras. he didn't mention a word about it. the notion on the front page of "the new york times" updated andersen cooper to talk about number one video at youtube or the number one trendy dagon twitter appeared these are what we call breaking through. >> recently come islamic leaders and followers discuss ways to counter violent extremism in muslim communities. this is part of a daylong forum hosted by the museum in situ center on combating violent extremism among muslim communities.
[speaking in native tongue] >> all praise due for all on -- allah appeared we are at the last leg of the racier today we today we are talking about mental health challenges for muslims and conflicts of identity. as you know, mental health issues are something that is a human issue, not a big specific to my funds or any other faith or population of people. without further ado, i want to get started because we have a lot of speakers we had to get through it time
is limited. i would like to actually first introduced brother bilal ali,
the maryland delegate. [applause] [speaking in native tongue] in the name of the law, most merciful and compassionate being the only state legislator from baltimore city, i know how it feels to be alone and ostracized. the point i want to make is this. first of all, i want to thank the tam group. this is so necessary in the process of educating the
public in general about what islam is all about.
i think there has been a total miseducation about the faith of islam and i think we operate out of so many spirited vehicle ideas that this interferes with you getting bored being able to connect with the person. the common denominator is we all have shared value. language is so important because when you prescribe a certain ajit is to an entire religion to behavior of individuals who may or may not embrace the entire faith. they take away today is we have
a mass that we hope there is a message that you take away from here today and better understand in that people do not represent islam. if an individual does something windowless contrary to the goal principle of islam, we don't generalize or paint the entire religion with one brush. we don't do that with any other religion. it seems like islam has become the target that when someone does something and they're supposed to profess a belief, then the whole religion gets a bad rap. we need to educate our herself more to differentiate between that particular person's
behavior no matter what they may be opposed to demonizing an entire religion. i am here to support these brothers. there's a lot of things have been able to do within my own community. i've been very dividend the anti-violence movement, whether it's working with gangs, brother of kiel made an important statement. either use it in one of those boxes or you don't. it is no integrated model that comes out of criminal justice that we are currently using, but we should have a more integrated model because there's different individuals in different
circumstances we need to evaluate individuals in order to appropriately assess those individuals. given the political climate that we are in now as we all know, we have a lot of work to do and i think the brother had sent it earlier that we should be ambassadors. many of us have muslim neighbors and we need to debunk a lot of the stereotypes out there because at some point they take on a life of their own where people think that they are the truth and a half truth disguised as a truth does more damage than the actual truth itself. the worst thing you can do to the truth or stretch it. i just wanted to give a few words because i know we are
strapped for time and i want to make sure this important dialogue continues. [applause] >> thank you, brother bilal. now we are going to handed over to ibrahim aziz, our honored guests. often when we discuss terrorism, extremism, radicalization, it's a very impersonal manner. we use terms such as terrorist fighters, as tears are terrorist organizations or homegrown violent extremists. however, there is no one reason or one cause why someone becomes lost to extremism.
there is no one-size-fits-all. to contact, to be accepted coming to be part of a unified body is the way that we define ourselves. what i'm asking us all here to consider is that in some cases, these acronyms discussing this topic in the overgeneralization can be dehumanizing and can in turn lead to a blanket mis- categorization and labeling of an entire group of muslims. my name is ibrahim aziz. my brother was charged december 2015 with providing support to isis. i can still remember the roll call for my grandmother during the call. she could hardly speak. i could hardly make out her words. i'm trying to get her to calm down and explained to me, hoping she's overreacting to send a very minor.
yeah yeah, i can understand you've cleared please calm down. after three minutes of trying to get her to calm down, i'm able to make a wish to see. they took julio. who took julio? >> the fbi. my little brother? there must be some kind of mistake. the house i grew up in had its fair problems. it was riddled with undiagnosed mental problems. they would say it's very dangerous out there. don't trust your friends. it's probably better to not have any friends at all. for the majority of my early childhood, however, my sister and i went to public school. we were exposed to other individuals from the grandmother and some polls.
amongst the larger muslim communities. they have difficulty adjusting and i was unprepared. it wasn't about income but i didn't know who i was. there is the older muslim social worker in our community and he was the first to suggest to receive professional help. it took about two years that i like to i was, that i felt good about who i was. my older brother didn't attend public school. my little brother was not allowed to communicate or be with my sister and i. he was allowed to interact with advanced enough goals. my little brother had no friend
and he was intentionally ostracized and sequestered from everyone. i felt isolated i felt alone growing a beard i can tell you that i was searching for acceptance and i know he was searching for accepted. on rare occasions when i was allowed to interact, pitas conversationally behind, inappropriately shocked i'm his brother, withdrawn. you could equate to talking to a 10-year-old. he was socially behind. the first court hearing aunts and uncles, parents and were
photographed by the local newspaper after leaving the courthouse. the news article is who are they? we should kill them all. the 85-year-old woman in a wheelchair and this is an example of a dehumanizing effect isolated by a family and looks for except in and searching for acceptance was targeted. jaleel of these -- jaleel aziz is not an anomaly. all you have to do is fill in the blank. mental health challenges to be loved and accepted to be a catalyst and precursor. it breaks my heart that my
little brother has gone from one case to now another. they are left out of our terrorism conversations then we have looked for solutions, there can be no one-size-fits-all my little brother needed help [applause] >> thank you for your personal story. we appreciate you sharing that is part of breaking down the stigma of mental health. without further ado, just because of our time constraint, >> training a moment after
hearing that story. >> i know it's been a long day starting at 10:00 a.m. joining us in person, joining us online in what we feel is a really relevant, pertinent and essential conversation how to effectively extremism. and effects fill it everyone here. and the religious freedom specifics on her and the
religious, civic and legal discourse as it relates to the first amendment. i myself in the executive director of the organization i am a second generation, son of somali immigrants, someone who is considered a community leader in the somali community. what i would like to talk about in these brief moments is radicalization in the community. radicalization and with tears. they do contribute to this radicalization. as you heard time and time again, not just one thing, they are different issues and factors that do contribute to radicalization. we just heard this story of
ibrahim aziz and his brother, the social awkwardness, and the inability to family members. before i begin, a brief background about the symbolic community. there are hundreds of thousands of somali americans living in the u.s. and they are concentrated in certain pockets with the twin cities, minneapolis and st. paul one of them, columbus ohio. just to name a few in the past 15 years or so it's been well over 100,000 immigrants, refugees who have been admitted into the u.s. the somali american population in the u.s. 10 or 15 years or
less. and they've been around for 40 plus years. it goes without saying they are going to be different. when you think about this tamale community, somali youth if you watched the news, you hear all shabbat and al qaeda affiliate between 2007 and 2012 and send young somali americans, including two or more young girls overseas through legal or illegal means to go fight, enjoy these terrorist networks. you also may hear acts of terror
here at home in the u.s. you might've heard about the recent 2016 shooting at the ohio state university, which we are nearly a dozen people were injured. they are minneapolis for the assailants stabbed a limited dozen people were shot and killed. the young man in portland, oregon who had the intention of detonating a bomb at a holiday tree lighting ceremony. before he was and thankfully nobody was injured. in this particular situation, his family spoke to the fbi
about some intuition or some worry they had was being radicalized. it's been reiterated especially the first panel between the government or the organizations of the community they serve. with now, you may have a situation like this young man whose family now may feel that their son was after they informed law enforcement that their son was not illegally entrapped. so, there are many fact is that contribute to radicalization in this tamale community, particularly somali youth. many are socially economic, have
nothing to do with religion. studies will show you that there is no relation between religiosity and uptake and extremism. other external factors contribute to this. could be poverty, lack of housing, poor education, crime, drugs, gangs. there were at the same time, 11 young somalis were killed in gang violence and this goes back to dr. basir's approach where you see this correlation between gang violence and extremism.
and if you speak with community members cannot radicalization to them is just one of the issues that is concerning to them. another -- isolation is another issue, whether it be self isolation or community isolation, which may enable a platform where radicalization. mental health, so i'll stick to that. it has been stigmatized for a very long time. somalia is a muslim majority country of over 99% muslim and for a very long time, if you were to bring up the issue of
mental health, a person being depressed by person even being stressed out, you would be told you are possessed. you are possessed by demons. you need to pray in the mosque. there's something else wrong with you. there's nothing wrong with your mental health. that is not an issue. there is no such thing as stress. so for a very long time due to lack of education and negative about mental health. it is something important or pertinent and we treat it, take care of it, maintain it and take proper steps to ensure that part
of ourselves remains healthy. so thankfully and the education barrier, language barrier the somali community has been more good in discussing these issues. in june, this past june there is a conference at the university of minnesota school of social work in conjunction with the mental health network. to start to discuss some of these problems, what are some of the things that the first generation, second generation and now the third-generation are facing. somalis, especially those who immigrated in the past years were fleeing their civil war. going from refugee camp to
refugee camp, waiting for the day that you get the phone call or the letter from mr. application has been accepted and you and your family annually with a heavy heart knowing the life that she built, the home that she wrote, the degree that you obtain scummy left all that behind in pursuit of a safer life and a better future for your children. so, ptsd is something that is common in the somali communities. but again, it was something that was not addressed. i believe it is the journal of the american medical association that says ptsd and refugees can range anywhere from 4% to 86%. 5% to 31%. so this is a real issue, a true
issue. my generation and the somali americans may not have faced this. but they grow up in a household where these issues are not addressed. where you don't talk about depression. you don't talk about stress, you don't talk about ptsd. you don't talk about anything. because of that there is an intergenerational transfer of trauma. and now you as a second generation or a third-generation smalley american may start to take on the trauma of your parent because they never got any closer on those issues. they've never been talked about it. not even with their children. so, thankfully it was her -- and the somali community are going in a better direction. some of these numbers are trying
to highlight that this is a real issue. not just an issue that's going to go away anytime soon because you have that transfer from generation to generation. many young people radicalized her second generation they have never seen somalia a day in their life, they have never even spoke to someone. but some of these here may contribute to them becoming vulnerable and not having anyone to talk about on these issues of isolation coupled with these mental health issues makes it really vulnerable for those who choose to exploit them. there are several organization, some that have, you know, been established in the past 10 or 15
years to try and discuss these issues or even deter somali youth from being radicalized. that is where i spent a lot of my time and a lot of my focus as a youth director in organizations with the somalis made up of less than 5% of the community. so these issues are not specific just to the somali community. and i was a youth director and a community and there was a young person who has been charged with providing materials and he lived in the same city at the organization where is the use direct her, but he never came to
the mosque. because i was in that city, i'd never seen him a day in my life and i just heard about the news. so again, i try to reiterate the point that the radicalization does not actually happen in the mosque. i heard about this young person on the news and almost none of the youth knew who he was. those who had met him at summer camp in things like that in the past said he was very isolated, didn't used to come out much in things of the sort. so, i would like to conclude by saying that i think it is important that we do take and holistic approach to de-radicalization, that the professionals be it in islamic
theology or mental help or corrections are put in position to de-radicalized. these people have to really be people that are trusted by the community. 10 is a grassroots effort and you can't have a grassroots effort without having the community involved in the community engaged in having community trust. the experts like dr. baker and dr. white and all the other experts that you've seen today on the panel are empowered in a position to help eradicate in de-radicalized not only in the somali community, but in the muslim community as a whole. thank you.
[applause] >> thank you for that very informative talk. please write them on the cards. next we have dr. baker who is the trooper here. he has been here since the beginning. keep it rolling. >> again, what i'm going to do is refer to your framework. it is necessary to show the comment being in threat and interconnectivity with the framework in which we need to work. we've got a very personal story with a case similar to that in
the u.k., where he graduated with my phd. i won't go into detail, but it mirrors what ibrahim aziz said. we have spoken looking outwardly to government agencies, social agencies. there's a sense of denial where the muslim communities as to our families and when it's too late, we didn't realize we didn't do this, didn't do that. what is that parental engagement? where is that parental responsibility? where is it that we've given a space for children and those in the community to articulate their thoughts, even if wrong. what we are fine and when i
gravitate, i became part of the game. protecting is similar, but they look for foot soldiers. they look for those we heard about academic literacy. there is also emotional intelligence and go find a number of these individuals are susceptible to violent extremism, emotionally illiterate. we did have a demo which we are going to show you that we did and it wasn't done or no one's beheaded or things like that to show their propaganda. a young woman i showed that two trading in the u.k., i showed a minute of it and i asked them
come you've got five minutes to talk amongst yourselves. how would you address this propaganda with some vulnerable youths. one of you put your hand up inside convinced by the narrative. i was actually convinced. i don't know, how would you do it? every videos that we actually look at. the point is, we are doing that on a more rudimentary stage we should be engaging with the youth regularly within the mosque. they shouldn't just become places of worship if we are going to really engage, we should be having surgeries in there, social work, engaging with the youth, and i'll go back to what i developed in my phd for the youthful -- founding
excited of exploration. now they've got information they are trying to place it in a context other than abstract from a different land than they are trying to weaken islam and the way in the societies become from. so difficult. they are not mature enough and they are non-practical in society as to those that can be practiced. this is what the protagonists that we want to move them to the next stage. educationally and psychologically. it has the complexity of
experience, knowledge is built from scratch by the learner to experience that knowledge is dynamic. this is when wisdom is acquired. in wisdom operates within us. they need to communicate with even more understanding of the context of our audience sharing. i conclude on this part here on this particular data and
information deal with the past. they are not able to do. we need to help them do that on the stages. it becomes a part of vast. when we gain wisdom, we start dealing with the future as we are now able to vision and design of what is or was. you need to work with us on not. if we choose not to, i birdie mentioned to you what we are looking not. we know in the u.k. some of them. we are in touch with some of them.
some of them way below the radar. had they come back in the days of baltimore when they came back and they weren't extreme. iraq and syria have no appreciation. they hate our way of life. some of the muslim communities here and in the u.k. community continue to be insular and inward looking. and an extent where they don't engage and participate. we need to be the muslim society. we need to be bridges and our familiarity with the society we convert from.
is that the psychological issue in trauma? what we need to do is embrace the muslim in this case american. there is a duality of identities , which are complementary. until that message comes about and target the communities. until that comes from within the muslim communities, said the youth can be the wider engagement and the opportunities are also there for them. if they are not doing that, you will continue to see psychological issues and only
coming out when it's too late. some would say utopian. they went out to iraq and syria. forget every identity you know, black, white, brown, whatever, somali you are part of the muslim nation. they give you a vision and tell you to run with it. everything you come to know and love. to hate it means you are a true muslim and therein lies the challenge because that's the psychological itself, or move to
the four stages by the wider muslim community in ways society. i think he is god some key elements he needs to bring to the table. >> again, i want to thank all of my fellow partners here. i want to thank my partners here or give us the opportunity. i would like to thank our partners who came outside of the group to support us today. i particularly use in this effort of creating change, the key word has to be partnership.
we need to know i might not have the same holes that everyone has. it's very important that we talk about who we are. it means something. who we are is what can possibly create change. so to leave out who we are, do yourself an injustice. we started at this point, we all know the well known, not just here, the well known worldwide
and then we go on. we have our brother joe bradford. those who are known throughout our country. within and without. these other two, joe bradford and inground, to learn from, to take from. this all helps to create the positive ideology. we have been here. we are learning from this. and then you've got myself and mohammed. we are the young ones. but we bring something to the table. we bring some aid to the table because we are the individuals
on the ground who are directly connected to individuals we are talking to. the individuals we warn you about. those views, those not so used. i usually do because in my community when a crisis, and usually being called. yet our state delegate in my community mind you i didn't say the muslims. and in my community, whether it's a crisis, whether it's muslim or not, we are called for what we do for the community as
a whole, not just as a muslim. i do by practice. i am a mental health coordination i help people deal with problems. i got an organization developing i have added the kids, who take my direction to create change in the schools with youth. outside of the schools with family in the penal system. it is not directed towards muslims. the rate of success to the point that i've been appointed currently that deals with
benefit and safety. not for muslims. for everyone, the mayor of baltimore, my man i'm an advisor to several state delegates. i'm an advisor to several city council members when it comes to the issue of violence in the community. who better to talk to about violence within individuals who happen to be muslim, who had the expertise to dealing with violence. there's a two-pronged approach we have to accept, that some individuals are radicalized due
to faulty understandings of islam. and there is another side that we have to get a grasp on. this is the side that individuals are socially affect you negatively as our brother ibrahim aziz gave us an example. so when this piece, the muslims are now the citizens of our country who have dual citizenship. but they weren't always the person that dual citizenship. this isn't something new to african-americans. in our country that we made an effort to fight, to resolve,
that we made up for it to stop individuals from becoming radicalized and join in with their brothers and sisters as americans. african-americans have accomplished that. it took time, but mind you there is a reason. i believe i have to create change. when you're this continuum of service that we can work our way down, then my job is to put it. i've got to make sure that we understand how we do it. so that is what i am tend to do.
we've got to use notes because i developed what i want to talk about based on hearing, what's been said and what is not being said. i've barely talked about catching individuals at the early stage. our goal is not to allow individuals to become radicalized. we don't want this to happen. we should stop it. we, the individuals, we can stop it because we have the same experiences we've had. so when you ask someone to study, talk to someone that became radicalized.
interior question. when you talk to someone whose name is mujajid muhammad, they know what it feels like. mujajid muhammad who grew up going to muslim schools, who grew up with dual citizenship. sometimes double dual citizenship. every time that i fly, i expect and somewhat understand what i'm going to get a special chat. and i understand that. radical things tend to happen.
even muslims. so recently, just this summer out of respect, i flew down south to a slow area and when i came in, no problem. when i was leaving this airport coming back to the baltimore, washington area. i was going through the check point and i was carrying at the time by maybe 15 -month-old son. and i was stopped. i wasn't allowed to go through. and i said, okay, no problem. i was not allowed to pass my wife my child.
now i consider myself a very, you know, civilized man. but when i have my child in my hand and you stop me from passing my child over to my wife, and i am angry, the difference between acting in anger and someone else acting in anger is called cognitive dissonance. cognitive dissonance is having to conflict team believes and to conflict in thoughts. i'll give you an example. probably relates to a lot of bus. so one example would be an individual. don't do it.
it's not worth it. as individuals who know i'm going to get a ticket. and they do it anyway. and when they get to take it, they literally feel bad, like i knew i shouldn't have. you actually feel it even though you know they shouldn't do it. i was running late. i had to get there. another example, some of us the individuals on the street and they ask for money. and we don't give it to them. some of us feel bad about it, like a man, maybe he needed a
dollar to get them out. and after that, we go ahead and the next person we give them something. the feeling at that time is cognitive dissonance. you don't know what to do as muslims, some muslims live a large portion of their life and it's stressful. when i say cognitive dissonance, i am talking about a muslim who is not okay to be muslim. and this is what we need to worry about. this is the person who is vulnerable to being radicalized. and live in a place or i know a
muslim and i'm not work and i want to pray, but if i do this then this will happen. bad things will happen. and i am not okay with losing my job and i'm not okay with not working. and because of that, i don't do it. yet i feel bad because i want to do it. and i build up this frustration for every one who does not agree or i don't think agrees with me being muslim. and i also built up a hatred for myself. when i start hating myself for not doing the things that i know i should be doing, i fall into this place of cognitive dissonance and keep me away from
people who will turn me the wrong way and release that energy out. that is what we at tam are targeting. we are targeting that group, the group effect to die that and that is where the mental health peace lies. depression is real, cognitive dissonance we are all susceptible to it. [applause] >> thank you. that was real powerful. i guess we will move on to the question and answer session to edit time. one of the questioners and this goes for anybody who would like to take questions. does the radicalization of women follow the same general pattern
as that of men? how does the family dynamic informed the women's radicalization? >> it takes on a similar path to a certain extent. one of the things that we see especially in the western u.k., for example, we see that the process is a little bit more intense and the mothers of the children in the isolation they have. you will find from what we've done for the research did working at research, that because they are more isolated, because they are more under their radar, the extent to which they can be radicalized can be very drastic.
.. and then we saw the social media, those were in syria, communicating. i'll speak about specific case that i had. a colleague, a british colleague of mine said can i pass them on to you? he was from one of the western islands. he contacted me and told me his ex-wife was married to an individual and his daughter 12 years old you to contact them regularly every week. she asked him in december of
last year or the year before what he thought of syria and traveling to syria. he wondered why and he said that's crazy. the extremist, you're talking nonsense. her response was to show up which worried him. the contact became less frequent and she contacted him one more time and then that was it. he found out after the contact was broken the contact is called escape his family, even his ex-wife's parents and they said they are gone. he said where have they gone? they left two of the children from the stepfather with the ex-wife and have taken his daughter. they were en route to syria. now, he asked me to do what i could. i spoke to colleagues and context we found out they went from the west indies to guyana from south america where my mother is from back in the uk, stop in uk. they went and performed and they
moved from turkington from tricky to get into city. i still have the voice recording he sent to me. a voice clip of his daughter. i've written about it. if you go to the website i transcribe some of what she said. she actually said we are here now, i know you're good to be upset if i told you i was getting care. they give us pepsi. as you know they say pepsi pepsi, it's really peacefully. we love it and you could hear the mother in the background schooling her daughter to speak. tell your dad i love you. abby, i love you. that's the last he heard from her. so we not only solve the mother and that female network driving others to travel and encouraging others to travel, but what worry does is the inculcation that's taken place among some of the children. for men, i sign this task to the
wife because they know their wives will be very effective in propagating that. you've got women, you saw there were single men in syria, british, and you had women encouraging them saying this is the peak of heroism. this is the peak of being mujahideen picu. this is a peak of being a muslim. we will come and marry you. so it was romanticized. so the process of women, females, is one that we have to take very, very seriously. because it will cascade to their children as well. you are here and i would include on this point, i'm talking still not syria, the one of the more extreme and brutal brigades was that of the women from the west, british women. they would parade and make sure the women, syrian women, the indigenous people of that land
were wearing the close, not showing the either one eye, not coming out the particular time and everything. it was the british women who had got over and had formed this brigade. why? because they were founded or youthful idealistic state where extremism was allowed to proliferate. so help identify. the evidence is there. you can just go and google and look at the amount of women, young ladies, and the network for those young ladies there on the same the american experience. i think american muslims are more crowded to an extent if i can say that from what i've seen and what i've experienced but i can't talk about that. that's not my area specia speci, special allergy. but in uk that's what has happened. >> thank you, doctor. will move on to the next question. this is regarding being able to
inform our impact of the policy level. policymakers, particularly white american policymakers, what our main fundamentals we could or should provide. >> how can we impact that? >> i think that what we're doing right now is just that. we are making it clear that there are professionals who had the ability, have the experience, the wherewithal and the acceptance, that's the big word, acceptance from the muslim community, from the muslim community to be able to -- the tough thing with regards to advising our political community
is that everybody wants to advise them, and have a tough job with recognizing who to listen to and who to tune out. because everybody is pulling at their coattail. but here today we see that there is a group who has those core needs that we need to be able to advise your so how do we do that? i'm raising my hand. i have cards. we have cards come given. get our information and reach out to us. we are readily available to come to you personally and support in changing our legislation to assure that it makes sense with regards to tackling radicalization here in the states. >> if i can just add, it policymakers and all you ask, if
the framework on the crop solutions, it policymakers and others ask what does can bring to the table? we bring the damn table. [laughing] [applause] they put it up. i'm actually going to take this out real quick to run through our crop solutions, okay? so what this is, is really an outline of what we really do. we talked about, we do a lot of talking. we understand that, okay, there is some expertise but how do you actualize it? so really quick i'm going to run through this and we'll keep it moving without questions. but in our first piece, we intend to develop an internet and social media outreach program. what this does, because we've heard over and over, and most of
us know that majority of radicalization happens over the internet. that people can type in something and there's someone waiting out there to tell them the wrong thing and steer them the wrong way. so we have two start with saying, okay, it's important to tackle this and work with our partners to where people type in certain things and are looking at certain things, that they are transferred over to someone who's going to give them something correct. not just anybody but somebody who has the ability to deal with them on an ideological level and on a behavioral level and someone who they respect. so i know that when most muslims type in something and they get something else, they shake pops up, okay, i've got to listen. that's really important to be able to have that. our second step is a 1-800
number and an extremist hotline. this is important because often there are a lot of sides. there are a lot of symptoms that can be seen. and too often we ignore them, not because we don't care, because we don't know what to do with it. generally as people, as parents. we see certain things that sometimes we don't know what to do with it. it's a phase. they are going through, they will get out of it. i hear the same thing with parents with regard to their children who are being radicalized. they are going to something, they will get out of it. what you could call other parents a winding pattern emerges a hey, i need help, what should i do ask this is highly important because if this was active there are hundreds of parents, if not thousands of parents, who would like to call
someone, not the fbi, but they would like to call someone with the safety of knowing i'm not going to get in trouble for calling, and i'm not going to be on a watchlist because my child looked at the wrong thing and i just want somebody to talk to them and straighten them up. this is our ability because i touch parents, i church youth, and being in the community i can make people aware of this. the tam prison program, you would a little bit about why it's important, but we actually have already completed a program in washington, d.c.. we've already started that. the pilot program was a huge success, and we intend to continue and kind of scale that.
our tam podcast, media is important. there needs to be a constant voice to deal with the constant voice out there making an attempt to radicalize, as i like to say, our babies. there needs to be a constant voice to deal with it, and having an actual podcast that people can tune into with the names of who they know, they'll tend to listen. our tam treatment facility. now, this is important because certain, unfortunately, there are individuals that the poison is going to touch, and that poison is dangerous. that poison is dangerous. we know that we want to stop it before it ever gets to that
point, but some individuals need to be as in a treatment model, talking mental health, enter the treatment model, some individuals can effectively be treated in the same environment in which they were impacted. so we have to have the ability to remove those individuals and put them in a different environment. this is what, this is what allows us to happen. community outreach. we also heard they shake talk about the need to be tens if not hundreds of people who are trained to go into communities and train parents, train community partners, our police departments, and it got to say in baltimore, particularly in the northwestern district they do a great job of this.
to train them all what those signs are and when to call in what to do and be aware of all of the resources. our refugee program, so this is something that we have in essence as individuals already done. we heard our brother mohamed hussein talk about the somali population. we know a lot come over as refugees. radicalization and extremist research center. can you touch on this because you would be better to speak towards this. >> just in a nutshell. that would be offensive simmer to the hotline but more detailed and it will begin with all kinds of radicalization will be waiting list the expertise at any given time for parents, schools, institutions to call it if they are concerned about any type of online are radical
material that is being looked at. they can send that to the center there we will then disseminate, deconstruct, return the deconstruct response to you, and if need be, come and get involved, or find a suitable trained partner with you to common help in that. so that will be a hub that would be listing the expertise of experts, counter radicalization, religious extremists experts. so that's what this will actually be 24/7, being able to contact or e-mail or send material that you're concerned about. and it will be at the different started and we said, there's contacting, links to information on website, schools, colleges, universities, police intelligence services at various levels. >> okay. we have a couple of men slept so we're going to move right along. >> go ahead.
>> okay. so the tam legal legislation division. of course this question came up but this is already come to something that's in the plan. this is something that we have to tackle, that our policies have to make sense. we can't have the policies that further push people into radicalization. those policies don't make sense, and when those policies aren't working, we have to do something about it. so having those advocates to be able to work with our legislators, it has to happen. it has to happen. so this is part of our third phase, but in essence this is our framework. this is what we come to bring
you. this is what we are saying that this is how we're going to actualize a lot of the theory, belief, and know-how. so appreciate it. >> thank you. actually, we're coming to the end of our session so i would really like to thank all of our panelists for volunteering their time and really informing us on the program. and also i'd like to thank -- i'll pass the mic to -- >> no, go. >> as far as of the questions, we haven't got to all the question so will try to address those questions. >> let me just also, on behalf of tam, thank everyone for the patients because this a bit a day. we have a new since 8:00.
it started at dan, and so we started on time. hopefully, god willing, we're going to end at time. it's for and it is the 30 seconds to 4:00 so let me do the final housekeeping items if i may. one, those questions that we did not get to and wha would ask soe very good questions, but we couldn't answer all of them in the time allotted. we will make every effort to post them on our website, and you seen the twitter accounts and the logo, in the bathroom washing your hands, you saw the tam logo on the tam website. we really thank nate and his team when in that the president this morning of the freedom center, and i told him that i was very impressed on the professionalism. we've been living and working with this for two years. as we said before when we first are in the morning session, we went to several entities and no
one would give us the mic but nate gave us the mic. as doctor baker said, we brought the damn table. hopefully, god willing, will make every effort to make what we said our reality. it's going to take time, but we have the ingredients and the team and the professional know-how to get this done. there's things that already in the works, people have already called us, even i got a text from sending them use as it is spoken to lieutenant governor when you left your. he was totally impressed what he saw. he wants us to kind of meet with them the next 30 days to talk about our pilot project. so hopefully that could be happening. i think the main focus is to gear towards that that's the low hanging fruit, which is dealing with the youth who are readily bombarded, are in trouble, and
look at those urban centers, be it d.c. and baltimore and the area where we have the preponderance of the tam members to kind of talk to that. but at the end of the day we want to take the show on the road. because we know the prisons are in dire need of our systems as well. we want to debunk the issues of homegrown terrorism emanating from the prisons and also homegrown terrorism emanating. so with that as i told you before that's like directing stem because i get quite loquacious and look at nate and it is given to sign, so i thank you all very, very much. and again, thanks for the patients and listening to us, and may the peace of allah be upon all of you. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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